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(ESPN)   Much like former MLB player Billy Bean, Oakland A's GM Billy Beane decides that he wants Johnson to finish in the end   (espn.go.com ) divider line 31
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2013-12-03 08:22:02 AM  
Wow subby, that was really nicely done

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2013-12-03 09:21:31 AM  
That's a long, long ways to go for a "Ha ha Billy Bean is gay" joke.
 
2013-12-03 09:29:10 AM  
 
2013-12-03 09:46:00 AM  
I don't get this move - did something happen to Balfour that I didn't hear about?
 
2013-12-03 10:13:05 AM  

idesofmarch: I don't get this move - did something happen to Balfour that I didn't hear about?


He is a free agent.
Oakland fans will now get to watch Jimmy put two batters on base every 9th inning before he gets his first out.
Have fun with that.

/This wasn't even the biggest news from yesterday.
 
2013-12-03 10:24:10 AM  

CipollinaFan: idesofmarch: I don't get this move - did something happen to Balfour that I didn't hear about?

He is a free agent.


Thanks - good to know.  Actually, I hope to see the Yankees go after him now.  Lord knows they need a new closer.
 
2013-12-03 10:39:00 AM  

CipollinaFan: idesofmarch: I don't get this move - did something happen to Balfour that I didn't hear about?

He is a free agent.
Oakland fans will now get to watch Jimmy put two batters on base every 9th inning before he gets his first out.
Have fun with that.

/This wasn't even the biggest news from yesterday.


I am going to pretend that trade didn't happen (or that the Tigers had secret knowledge that Fister aged 10 years in the off season..
 
2013-12-03 10:48:53 AM  

idesofmarch: Lord knows they need a new closer.


No faith in D-Rob?
 
2013-12-03 10:59:05 AM  

The Bestest: idesofmarch: Lord knows they need a new closer.

No faith in D-Rob?


Not a whole not, no.  If people think Jim Johnson puts too many men on base for a closer, Robertson will make him look like Mo.
 
2013-12-03 11:19:57 AM  
+1

Very nice.
 
2013-12-03 11:28:48 AM  
What ever happened to the Billy Beane that taught me that you could throw any old slug into the ninth (Koch, Taylor, Foulke, Dotel, Dutch, Bailey, Balfour, etc...), have him get 3 outs, rack up 30-35 saves, and then trade the bum to some dumb team that overvalues the saves stat?

Although in fairness, the Orioles agreed to take Weeks, so it's win-win for Oakland.  I just don't know how Billy can justify the money for Johnson when they haven't paid for a decent 1st baseman since McGwire.
 
2013-12-03 12:02:11 PM  
Son of the biatch.  Why do this?
First Koji now Jim.  Do the Orioles hate good pitchers?
 
2013-12-03 12:07:34 PM  

Deece: What ever happened to the Billy Beane that taught me that you could throw any old slug into the ninth (Koch, Taylor, Foulke, Dotel, Dutch, Bailey, Balfour, etc...), have him get 3 outs, rack up 30-35 saves, and then trade the bum to some dumb team that overvalues the saves stat?

Although in fairness, the Orioles agreed to take Weeks, so it's win-win for Oakland.  I just don't know how Billy can justify the money for Johnson when they haven't paid for a decent 1st baseman since McGwire.


I don't think you'll ever see Johnson in an A's uniform. I think Beane is going to package him, and hoodwink another unsuspecting team, leaving them with the Old Maid once again. He's the master.

CipollinaFan: Oakland fans will now get to watch Jimmy put two batters on base every 9th inning before he gets his first out.
Have fun with that.


We watched it last year constantly, with Balfour. By the end of the season, I could swear fluently in Australian.
 
2013-12-03 12:23:51 PM  

Deece: What ever happened to the Billy Beane that taught me that you could throw any old slug into the ninth (Koch, Taylor, Foulke, Dotel, Dutch, Bailey, Balfour, etc...), have him get 3 outs, rack up 30-35 saves, and then trade the bum to some dumb team that overvalues the saves stat?


Which is funny, because that's essentially what the Orioles did with Johnson.

Yeah, it's a head scratcher.

You're the jerk... jerk: I am going to pretend that trade didn't happen (or that the Tigers had secret knowledge that Fister aged 10 years in the off season..


Even then, the trade makes no sense.

The only thing I can figure is that, much like several Nats fans, the Tigers are convinced Lombardozzi is actually an outstanding player for reasons that don't show up in his stats so far.
 
2013-12-03 12:34:13 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Deece: What ever happened to the Billy Beane that taught me that you could throw any old slug into the ninth (Koch, Taylor, Foulke, Dotel, Dutch, Bailey, Balfour, etc...), have him get 3 outs, rack up 30-35 saves, and then trade the bum to some dumb team that overvalues the saves stat?

Which is funny, because that's essentially what the Orioles did with Johnson.

Yeah, it's a head scratcher.


Johnson wasn't a bum however.  He wasn't consistent at times, but when he's on he's extremely good.  I don't believe this is a Gange situation.
 
2013-12-03 12:40:01 PM  
Now that's a headline I can get behind. Good job, subs.
 
2013-12-03 12:42:18 PM  
Damn, I hate this trade..Not sure who the O's plan on using as a closer, but I suspect we might regret this trade at multiple points during next season.
 
2013-12-03 12:46:06 PM  

jpo2269: Damn, I hate this trade..Not sure who the O's plan on using as a closer, but I suspect we might regret this trade at multiple points during next season.


O'day or Hunter I guess.
 
2013-12-03 12:47:59 PM  

degenerate-afro: Johnson wasn't a bum however.


Jim Johnson, before being made a closer:

3.31 ERA, 2.05 K/BB (5.8 K/9)

Here's Ryan Webb's career:

3.29 ERA, 1.98 K/BB (6.3 K/9)

Mr. Webb was just nontendered by the Marlins because they didn't feel he was worth 1.5 million.

Now, sure, that's the Marlins, and there are a few other differences between the two (Webb has played in some pitchers' park, so he has a lower ERA+). But they seem pretty similar to me, and yet one is without a job right now.

To look at it another way, through age 28 (again, before he was a closer), Johnson's top comparable pitcher was Scott Strickland, who went on to pitch in 8 games the rest of his career. His second comparable was Bob Reynolds, who never pitched again. These are, to some degree, flukes (his third comparable is Mark Melancon, for instance), but it's fairly obvious that those guys were nothing special.

Most teams have a guy just like Jim Johnson. And most teams would be able to plug him in as their closer and do just fine.
 
2013-12-03 12:49:55 PM  
DeWayne Mann:

You're the jerk... jerk: I am going to pretend that trade didn't happen (or that the Tigers had secret knowledge that Fister aged 10 years in the off season..

Even then, the trade makes no sense.

The only thing I can figure is that, much like several Nats fans, the Tigers are convinced Lombardozzi is actually an outstanding player for reasons that don't show up in his stats so far.


Perhaps Dombrowski has to repay some of the karma he utilized for the Fielder trade?
 
2013-12-03 12:51:57 PM  
DeWayne Mann:
Even then, the trade makes no sense.

The only thing I can figure is that, much like several Nats fans, the Tigers are convinced Lombardozzi is actually an outstanding player for reasons that don't show up in his stats so far.


Lombardozzi is a lot like Omar Infante, an extremely average player at every position on the field.
He did have some clutch hits over the two years that I have seen him play but you shouldn't expect him to hit the ball past the shallow outfield. He is also only 25 and has the potential to be a good consistent single slapper.
 
2013-12-03 12:54:33 PM  
As an A's fan, I really just wish we'd kept Ian Krol.  We jettisoned him because he used a bad word on Twitter.  Oh boo farking hoo.  He's an awesome pitcher and the rules don't apply to great athletes; if he can consistently get outs in tough situations I don't care if he goes full Newtown every 3rd day.  Including him in that trade was just stupid.
 
2013-12-03 12:56:06 PM  

You're the jerk... jerk: Perhaps Dombrowski has to repay some of the karma he utilized for the Fielder trade?


I'm not a huge fan of that either, actually. If the goal was to move Miggy from third (which I agree with), trading V-Mart makes far more sense. Getting the massive contact off the books is nice, but doesn't really help much at the moment, and "at the moment" is when they have the best shot at winning a championship.
 
2013-12-03 12:57:33 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Deece: What ever happened to the Billy Beane that taught me that you could throw any old slug into the ninth (Koch, Taylor, Foulke, Dotel, Dutch, Bailey, Balfour, etc...), have him get 3 outs, rack up 30-35 saves, and then trade the bum to some dumb team that overvalues the saves stat?

Although in fairness, the Orioles agreed to take Weeks, so it's win-win for Oakland.  I just don't know how Billy can justify the money for Johnson when they haven't paid for a decent 1st baseman since McGwire.

I don't think you'll ever see Johnson in an A's uniform. I think Beane is going to package him, and hoodwink another unsuspecting team, leaving them with the Old Maid once again. He's the master.

CipollinaFan: Oakland fans will now get to watch Jimmy put two batters on base every 9th inning before he gets his first out.
Have fun with that.

We watched it last year constantly, with Balfour. By the end of the season, I could swear fluently in Australian.


^^^^  THIS ^^^^
 
2013-12-03 12:59:22 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Deece: What ever happened to the Billy Beane that taught me that you could throw any old slug into the ninth (Koch, Taylor, Foulke, Dotel, Dutch, Bailey, Balfour, etc...), have him get 3 outs, rack up 30-35 saves, and then trade the bum to some dumb team that overvalues the saves stat?

Which is funny, because that's essentially what the Orioles did with Johnson.

Yeah, it's a head scratcher.

You're the jerk... jerk: I am going to pretend that trade didn't happen (or that the Tigers had secret knowledge that Fister aged 10 years in the off season..

Even then, the trade makes no sense.

The only thing I can figure is that, much like several Nats fans, the Tigers are convinced Lombardozzi is actually an outstanding player for reasons that don't show up in his stats so far.


I think Detroit wanted to get Smyly in the rotation as their only lefty. While Porcello seemed to be the logical guy out, maybe they felt he was the better long-term option. Or maybe the Nats wanted Fister. More money saved to throw at a closer and Scherzer. Lombardozzi will replace Santiago, whom the Tigers aren't resigning.

Now just hurry up and finish the Joe Nathan signing.
 
2013-12-03 01:02:00 PM  

DeWayne Mann: degenerate-afro: Johnson wasn't a bum however.

Jim Johnson, before being made a closer:

3.31 ERA, 2.05 K/BB (5.8 K/9)

Here's Ryan Webb's career:

3.29 ERA, 1.98 K/BB (6.3 K/9)

Mr. Webb was just nontendered by the Marlins because they didn't feel he was worth 1.5 million.


Looking at the stats Jim Johnson was better vs. the AL East than Webb was vs. the NL East:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=webbry01&year =2 013&t=p
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=johnsji04&yea r= 2013&t=p

Considering the divisions they pitched in, that may play a role.
 
2013-12-03 01:06:14 PM  

ChrisDe: While Porcello seemed to be the logical guy out, maybe they felt he was the better long-term option. ... More money saved to throw at a closer and Scherzer.


Porcello is likely more expensive (though you never know with arbitration) and is also, you know, significantly worse.

Even if they think Porcello will be better long-term, to repeat what I just said, "at the moment" is when they have the best chance at a championship.

(Except I guess not any more).
 
2013-12-03 01:12:43 PM  

degenerate-afro: Looking at the stats Jim Johnson was better vs. the AL East than Webb was vs. the NL East:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=webbry01&year =2 013&t=p
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=johnsji04&yea r= 2013&t=p

Considering the divisions they pitched in, that may play a role.


DeWayne Mann: Now, sure, that's the Marlins, and there are a few other differences between the two (Webb has played in some pitchers' park, so he has a lower ERA+).


That'd be one of the "few other differences."

I'm not saying they're the exact same guy; I'm saying that they're rather similar and yet one is apparently not worth 1.5 million.
 
2013-12-03 01:35:16 PM  

degenerate-afro: jpo2269: Damn, I hate this trade..Not sure who the O's plan on using as a closer, but I suspect we might regret this trade at multiple points during next season.

O'day or Hunter I guess.


No closer
 
2013-12-03 02:51:47 PM  

DeWayne Mann: You're the jerk... jerk: Perhaps Dombrowski has to repay some of the karma he utilized for the Fielder trade?

I'm not a huge fan of that either, actually. If the goal was to move Miggy from third (which I agree with), trading V-Mart makes far more sense. Getting the massive contact off the books is nice, but doesn't really help much at the moment, and "at the moment" is when they have the best shot at winning a championship.


I think we have shown in the past I am much more willing to jump on small sample sizes, I think Fielder is done. I hope I am wrong, since I always liked Fielder, but I am predicting he declines and is out performed by Kinsler by 1-2 fWAR next year.

The Joe Nathan deal is also a positive in my book, 2 year deals almost always are.
 
2013-12-03 02:52:23 PM  

You're the jerk... jerk: DeWayne Mann: You're the jerk... jerk: Perhaps Dombrowski has to repay some of the karma he utilized for the Fielder trade?

I'm not a huge fan of that either, actually. If the goal was to move Miggy from third (which I agree with), trading V-Mart makes far more sense. Getting the massive contact off the books is nice, but doesn't really help much at the moment, and "at the moment" is when they have the best shot at winning a championship.

I think we have shown in the past I am much more willing to jump on small sample sizes, I think Fielder is done. I hope I am wrong, since I always liked Fielder, but I am predicting he declines and is out performed by Kinsler by 1-2 fWAR next year.

The Joe Nathan deal is also a positive in my book, 2 year deals almost always are.


I don't mean they always turn out well, but the risk is low enough to not worry about the downside.
 
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