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2013-12-03 12:24:46 AM
to sum up...

rich white lady gets arrested for driving while suspended, pays $100 to bond out, later finds out a clerk messed up and her licenses shouldn't have been suspended. rich white lady complains about it on facebook. the end.
 
2013-12-03 01:06:30 AM
csb:

Many years ago, before we were married.  My wife had a speeding problem.  A serious case of lead foot.  She got some expensive tickets right before her car was repo'd.  Since she no longer had a car, she didnt' care about her license and the tickets.  So she just ignored them.  Ignored the letter saying her license was suspended for non-payment of tickets.  Went for 5 years or more with no license.  We get married and were getting ready to relocate cross-country so I'm like dear, you really need to call the DMV and get your license straightened out while we're close enough to deal with things.  She called them up, and turns out the fact her license had been suspended had fallen through the cracks.  All they had was that it was expired.  So no fines to pay, no re-instatement or anything.  Just show up and renew her expired license and she was golden.

/csb
 
2013-12-03 01:27:05 AM

log_jammin: to sum up...

rich white lady gets arrested for driving while suspended, pays $100 to bond out, later finds out a clerk messed up and her licenses shouldn't have been suspended. rich white lady complains about it on facebook. the end.


I, a poor white male, had my license suspended twice due to clerical error. The first time: I was issued a ticket by the Highway Patrol Division. The HPD notified the State MVD about the ticket. I paid the fine vial snail mail. (this was back in the early 1990s) The HPD noted the payment in their system, but for some reason (a glitch?) that payment wasn't acknowledged by the State MVD. I discovered this a few years later when I went to change my address on my driver's license.

So I jumped through the hoops to acquire and provide the documentation that proved that I had taken care of that ticket long ago.

A couple of years later I was pulled over - no I do not want to talk about why I was pulled over so often -  I happily provided my driver's license, insurance card and registration. It was then that I learned that my driver's license was suspended. After receiving the ticket I went to court. It was there that I learned that my license had been suspended on the same day that my license had been reinstated. It turned out that when I had finally had my license reinstated after the screw up relating to the HPD ticket fiasco someone had hit the wrong button suspending my license instead of reinstating it.
 
2013-12-03 01:30:01 AM

BizarreMan: csb:

Many years ago, before we were married.  My wife had a speeding problem.  A serious case of lead foot.  She got some expensive tickets right before her car was repo'd.  Since she no longer had a car, she didnt' care about her license and the tickets.  So she just ignored them.  Ignored the letter saying her license was suspended for non-payment of tickets.  Went for 5 years or more with no license.  We get married and were getting ready to relocate cross-country so I'm like dear, you really need to call the DMV and get your license straightened out while we're close enough to deal with things.  She called them up, and turns out the fact her license had been suspended had fallen through the cracks.  All they had was that it was expired.  So no fines to pay, no re-instatement or anything.  Just show up and renew her expired license and she was golden.

/csb


You done good. She's a keeper. 5 years of not driving when she could have....remember that when you get a cute coworker in the next office...
 
2013-12-03 01:42:01 AM

Philbb: log_jammin: to sum up...

rich white lady gets arrested for driving while suspended, pays $100 to bond out, later finds out a clerk messed up and her licenses shouldn't have been suspended. rich white lady complains about it on facebook. the end.

I, a poor white male, had my license suspended twice due to clerical error. The first time: I was issued a ticket by the Highway Patrol Division. The HPD notified the State MVD about the ticket. I paid the fine vial snail mail. (this was back in the early 1990s) The HPD noted the payment in their system, but for some reason (a glitch?) that payment wasn't acknowledged by the State MVD. I discovered this a few years later when I went to change my address on my driver's license.

So I jumped through the hoops to acquire and provide the documentation that proved that I had taken care of that ticket long ago.

A couple of years later I was pulled over - no I do not want to talk about why I was pulled over so often -  I happily provided my driver's license, insurance card and registration. It was then that I learned that my driver's license was suspended. After receiving the ticket I went to court. It was there that I learned that my license had been suspended on the same day that my license had been reinstated. It turned out that when I had finally had my license reinstated after the screw up relating to the HPD ticket fiasco someone had hit the wrong button suspending my license instead of reinstating it.


did you get your fines/bond/fees returned to you when everything was cleared up?
 
2013-12-03 02:08:53 AM

log_jammin: did you get your fines/bond/fees returned to you when everything was cleared up?


As I recall I had to pay a fine for not paying the HPD ticket, which I didn't get back and I don't remember what the dollar amount was. But, if I remember right, moving beyond that it was something around $300 to $500 all in to clear my license. I wasn't interested in disputing any of it. I also had several infractions that would have resulted in my license being suspended, including two traffic violations in CA.

I don't claim to be blameless, but that has nothing to do with the clerical errors that I had to contend with.
 
2013-12-03 02:25:04 AM
Just to be clear, I had my driving privileges suspended twice before I ever had a license. Beyond that, I had my license suspended more often than it was valid between the ages of 20 - 25. It was only after I had started to get my life on track that I learned about and had to deal with the status of my license.
 
2013-12-03 03:01:23 AM
I'm actually surprised the cops didn't just kill her.
 
2013-12-03 03:11:37 AM

JerkyMeat: I'm actually surprised the cops didn't just kill her.


simple minds are surprised by lots of things.
 
2013-12-03 06:04:18 AM
Cops just wanted to use their cuffs on a hot blonde chick (giggity), and found an excuse.
 
2013-12-03 06:09:17 AM

JerkyMeat: I'm actually surprised the cops didn't just kill her.


Rape and torture first.
 
2013-12-03 06:10:43 AM
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2013-12-03 06:15:29 AM
fta What she thought would be a simple traffic ticket turned out to be much more.

Que the porn bass solo
 
2013-12-03 06:17:16 AM
The city here did something similar, though not quite as arresty. The found an old box of tickets that had been issued from about 15 years ago, but couldn't find the corresponding box on what had been paid and so just assumed that they were all unpaid and went after the people, my friend being one of those. He was pretty sure he'd paid it but damn, I mean that is over a decade, not like he remembered or had documentation.

Things however did go better for the drivers than the police because when he showed up to court one of the first guys in line actually did have the proof he'd paid which he'd kept stuffed away. The judge was not amused with the city and more or less accepted people's word if they said they believed they had paid the ticket after that.

Hence I learned when it involves the courts, keep documentation forever. I have only had one ticket, and I still have the paperwork from the driving class I took to get it dismissed. I don't intend for them to some day come after me because they lost half of their records.
 
2013-12-03 06:20:08 AM
FTFA: The ticket was from 2005, and Borreggine claims she had plead not guilty by mail. Eight years later, she was told she would have to go to court for the ticket.

I would think if you plead not guilty there would have to be some followup (e.g. a court date).  If you don't hear from them in a timely manner you can, of course, assume they messed something up, but that doesn't mean it's resolved.

/Always just paid the fine
//Always was guilty
 
2013-12-03 06:23:33 AM

JerkyMeat: I'm actually surprised the cops didn't just kill her.


check the pic, she was not the right color for that
 
2013-12-03 06:24:20 AM

log_jammin: to sum up...

rich white lady gets arrested for driving while suspended, pays $100 to bond out, later finds out a clerk messed up and her licenses shouldn't have been suspended. rich white lady complains about it on facebook. the end.




So where do you make the leap that she's rich? I can understand the 'white lady' part, as that much is obvious. Just because she's not photographed in front of a Wal-Mart, does not make her rich.
 
2013-12-03 06:26:59 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: log_jammin: to sum up...

rich white lady gets arrested for driving while suspended, pays $100 to bond out, later finds out a clerk messed up and her licenses shouldn't have been suspended. rich white lady complains about it on facebook. the end.

So where do you make the leap that she's rich? I can understand the 'white lady' part, as that much is obvious. Just because she's not photographed in front of a Wal-Mart, does not make her rich.


That part of NY state is actually pretty economically depressed.
 
2013-12-03 06:30:54 AM
Ahem... Fair AND SPEEDY trial. If the state sits on an unpaid fine for eight years THEY HAVE NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT!
 
2013-12-03 06:31:40 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So where do you make the leap that she's rich? I can understand the 'white lady' part, as that much is obvious. Just because she's not photographed in front of a Wal-Mart, does not make her rich.


I completely pulled it out of my ass because they said she "ran for the Watertown City Council in September".

I could be wrong, but it feels like a safe bet.
 
2013-12-03 06:36:36 AM

log_jammin: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So where do you make the leap that she's rich? I can understand the 'white lady' part, as that much is obvious. Just because she's not photographed in front of a Wal-Mart, does not make her rich.

I completely pulled it out of my ass because they said she "ran for the Watertown City Council in September".

I could be wrong, but it feels like a safe bet.


oh. and her name is "Jasmine". I mean, come on. are we going to split hairs here?
 
2013-12-03 06:37:02 AM
She didn't pay the ticket. She contested it.

Then she was told to go to court.  The court decided that she could not pay the ticket, IF she didn't get another violation.

Then she got a speeding ticket, and spent a night in the drunk tank for it.

/Just suck it up and pay your farking speeding tickets
//I bet her ticket had a big red A (for asshole). Which means she gave the cop attitude for doing 85 in a 55, and he wasn't willing to let it go.
 
2013-12-03 06:41:28 AM
So, let me get this straight:

Middle-aged white woman Facebook drama?
 
2013-12-03 06:45:02 AM

Notabunny: fta What she thought would be a simple traffic ticket turned out to be much more.

Que the porn bass solo


Cue the grammar police
 
2013-12-03 06:49:13 AM

Gonz: So, let me get this straight:

Middle-aged white woman Facebook drama?


Nope. Single MOM Facebook drama. How can they do this to a MOM?

/snark
 
2013-12-03 06:49:35 AM
I find the computer glitch thing highly believable, actually.  It's not like police departments and DMVs can use an off-the-shelf software product to handle these kinds of things, or at least that's how the reasoning goes.  Personally I think a gigantic glorified SQL or Oracle database with a frontend and decent user management would do, but meh.  Point is, most of this software isn't effectively tested nearly as thoroughly as box software simply by virtue of less people using it.  Glitches like this, especially if they are triggered by some bizarre, specific set of circumstances, could easily happen.

ON THAT NOTE, I have a CSB relating to the woman's misadventures, specifically one that happened to a friend of mine.  When he was younger, around 18 if I remember right, he got a traffic ticket that he deserved.  He showed up to court, did a traffic class and paid his fine, and everything was handled.  Rather, everything was handled until suddenly it wasn't.  Maybe a year later he's in a car that gets pulled over (can't remember if he was driving) and the cops run his name.  Turns out he's got a bench warrant for both failure to pay and failure to appear from that year-plus-old ticket.  The cops take him in despite his objections, and the next morning his mom has to come by with the notarized receipts indicating both his attendance at traffic school and paying the fine.  Cops let him go, apologize, say they'll fix it.

As I'm sure you've guessed, their attempts to fix it do not work.  The county that originally issued the ticket fixes the problem for their own guys, but other departments still read him as having an outstanding warrant from Carson City.  He gets snagged by Highway Patrol, Reno PD, Douglas County, etc. etc. etc.  After the third consecutive instance of this he sues the hell out of Carson City for not fixing the problem; the judge gives him a few thousand bucks and tells the Carson City SD he will basically rubber-stamp any further claims for my friend if this happens again.  Carson City gives my buddy several notarized copies of a letter from CCSD, for him to carry on his person, saying that any warrants relating to his traffic offense on date blahblahblah are considered invalid, exist only due to a glitch, and he should not be brought in on these warrants under any circumstances.

Care to guess what still happens anyway?  Yep, he gets arrested for the same warrant a few more times by other departments, once when he forgot to bring the letter, and once when he even had the letter on his person but the idiot rural PD decided to arrest him anyway "just to be sure", plus some other times the details of which I don't know.  I do remember having to drive about 5 hours across the state to the middle-of-nowhere town Esmeralda to bail him out after Esmeralda SD did an ID check on him as a passenger in a vehicle that they stopped for doing a legal u-turn because they cop thought they were "attempting to evade."

Anyway, rambly bit aside, every single time this happened it was basically another $5k the CCSD had to pay him, and they were very much not happy about it.  They had every reason to fix the problem, and by all accounts they had multiple times.  According to him he did a warrant check shortly after one of the fixes and everything came back clean, but a few months later and I was bailing him out of the Esmeralda County Sheriff's Office.  Clearly something in the system was broken, something kept flagging him as needing to be arrested, and try as they might the CCSD couldn't stop their system from doing it.

Anyway, CSB tl;dr version, this is not the first time I've heard this story and the "computer glitch" thing is totally believable.  Still crappy though and the PD owes her an apology and a notarized "please don't arrest this woman for this warrant" letter at the very least.
 
2013-12-03 06:51:32 AM

wildcardjack: Ahem... Fair AND SPEEDY trial. If the state sits on an unpaid fine for eight years THEY HAVE NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT!


While I cannot comment on the state letting her fine go "unpaid" for 8 years, I can say it is her responsibility to file a statement of claims to begin the litigation process, and then the state will either file a statement of defense, and take her immediately in to court, or they will ask for mediation before hand.

Either way, you don't seem to grasp how this works. Thought I'd clear that up for you, because the state in common law is not obligated to give you a speedy trial, when you do not ask for a trial by properly contesting.
 
2013-12-03 06:53:24 AM
Is this the greatest outrage of our legal system?
Nope.

Is it a symptom of a for profit traffic court and lack of controls that fark over taxpayers that you shoudl be bothered by?
Yep.

But leave it to fark to say who cares she is a white women so you will pretend she is rich.
 
2013-12-03 06:53:58 AM

fluffy2097: She didn't pay the ticket. She contested it.

Then she was told to go to court.  The court decided that she could not pay the ticket, IF she didn't get another violation.

Then she got a speeding ticket, and spent a night in the drunk tank for it.


Except the only reason she was arrested was because the ticket had a warrant attached to it BEFORE she was pulled over the second time.  Even then, if she did commit a second offense the penalty was going to be at worst a license suspension and a fine at a later date, not "off to the clink right now".

This woman is quite correctly arguing that she is being unfairly punished for something she did not do.  Just because there's some other thing she DID do that has some OTHER punishment attached to it doesn't make her claim any less valid.
 
2013-12-03 06:55:40 AM
My first new car was a Honda Accord. A few years later, "the system" decided I was driving a stolen car. Cleared up the glitch fairly quickly, but it was interesting for a few days.
 
2013-12-03 06:56:51 AM

log_jammin: to sum up...

rich white lady gets arrested for driving while suspended, pays $100 to bond out, later finds out a clerk messed up and her licenses shouldn't have been suspended. rich white lady complains about it on facebook. the end.


I was issued a ticket for rolling a stop sign when I was 19. My mother and I went to the clerk's office and paid it two days later.

My license was suspended 6 months later for failure to pay the fine. I went to traffic court, produced evidence that I had paid and my license was reinstated.

Two years later, I was pulled over for speeding (like 5 miles over the limit). I was told my license had been suspended for failure to pay the original fine, was cuffed, my car towed and went to jail for a few hours. I bailed out and once again, my mother and I went to the clerk's office to pay the fine. THIS TIME, I kept the receipt on my person.

Two years later, a cop comes knocking on my door at home. He had a farking warrant for my arrest for (wait for it) failure to pay that original fine. I produced the receipt for the second time I had paid it. He told me it was out of his hands, he had to serve the warrant and I would have to sort it out with the judge. A few more hours in jail for something I didn't do.

That was in the early 1990s. I still have every piece of paper associated with the whole mess and I don't even live in the US anymore.

I don't blame the rich white lady for biatching. These screw ups can produce a good deal of embarrassment and difficulty for people who didn't do anything wrong.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-03 06:56:58 AM
A New York lawyer told me they won't usually arrest you Upstate for simple unlicensed driving if you have a good attitude during the traffic stop.
 
2013-12-03 06:58:36 AM
The author of TFA: Angel Clark is in her 20's and a talk radio host who lives in Rehoboth Beach. She is a native Delawarean and political activist. Her letters and statements have been featured on local and national radio, local and national television programs and many newspapers. You may listen to Angel live, Monday through Friday, from 5-7 pm EST at RadioFreedom.us

It's also in The Examiner, which appears to be the American version of the Daily Fail without the editorial oversight.

I'm gonna file this under "crazy person blog post" and walk away.
 
2013-12-03 06:59:12 AM

phenn: I don't blame the rich white lady for biatching.


neither do I.

I'm just pointing out that it's not a "news" story.

/it's fark.com
 
2013-12-03 07:05:37 AM
My personal story doesn't go quite so far.

I was up in North Dakota with a Nebraska DL when they run my license, then the cops are acting like they think my license is a fake(but they don't arrest me) - the system said my license was expired(had renewed it like 6 months earlier).  Turns out that there was some misfeed beteween the DMV(which issues/tracks the licenses) and Highway patrol systems(which is what's used to check licenses by the cops).

I went around with a sticky note with the DMV number on my license for about a year, but had no further interactions with police.
 
2013-12-03 07:05:46 AM

yukichigai: Anyway, rambly bit aside, every single time this happened it was basically another $5k the CCSD had to pay him, and they were very much not happy about it.


I have been farked over with tickets by having latye fees added after I paid them immediately. I had a friend who was hauled in to jail for not completeing ocmmunity services 6 years after he did (and eventually found the paperwork, etc. In all of those cases I have never heard of any govt agency paying the person back.
 
2013-12-03 07:11:52 AM

yukichigai: fluffy2097: She didn't pay the ticket. She contested it.

Then she was told to go to court.  The court decided that she could not pay the ticket, IF she didn't get another violation.

Then she got a speeding ticket, and spent a night in the drunk tank for it.

Except the only reason she was arrested was because the ticket had a warrant attached to it BEFORE she was pulled over the second time.  Even then, if she did commit a second offense the penalty was going to be at worst a license suspension and a fine at a later date, not "off to the clink right now".

This woman is quite correctly arguing that she is being unfairly punished for something she did not do.  Just because there's some other thing she DID do that has some OTHER punishment attached to it doesn't make her claim any less valid.


Guys, she had an adjournment, meaning her trial had been brought to an end, and could potentially be brought at a later date to continue the proceedings to make her pay the ticket.

I understand how this can become confusing, which is why I recommend some form of legal advice if you get pulled in to court. Her only option to truly expunge the warrant, and show the fine as being revoked by the courts is to seek litigation to seek a remedy in the form of having the courts continue to rule on the original hearing.
 
2013-12-03 07:12:12 AM

Notabunny: fta What she thought would be a simple traffic ticket turned out to be much more.

Que the porn bass solo


Que?
 
2013-12-03 07:12:33 AM
Sounds like the original ticket got lost in the mail, or in the bureaucracy. When she finally got called into court, the town didn't carry out the verdict correctly. I'd be plenty ticked off too, but it sounds like the town is honestly working to get it cleared up.
 
2013-12-03 07:14:15 AM

liam76: yukichigai: Anyway, rambly bit aside, every single time this happened it was basically another $5k the CCSD had to pay him, and they were very much not happy about it.

I have been farked over with tickets by having latye fees added after I paid them immediately. I had a friend who was hauled in to jail for not completeing ocmmunity services 6 years after he did (and eventually found the paperwork, etc. In all of those cases I have never heard of any govt agency paying the person back.


It's not payback, it's successful civil suits brought against the Sheriff's Department.  After my friend got that initial verdict against the SD for gross misconduct (or whatever the specific claim was) that got him a payment in the form of a fine, any suit he files for further violations is basically a slam dunk.  Hell I'm not even sure they actually make it to court or if his lawyer just sends the SD a bill and some settlement paperwork.
 
2013-12-03 07:17:07 AM

Donnchadha: Notabunny: fta What she thought would be a simple traffic ticket turned out to be much more.

Que the porn bass solo

Cue the grammar police


For some reason after reading that I got Yakety Sax stuck in my head now.

/What the porn bass solo?
 
2013-12-03 07:18:06 AM

I Am The Bishop Of East Anglia: The author of TFA: Angel Clark is in her 20's and a talk radio host who lives in Rehoboth Beach. She is a native Delawarean and political activist. Her letters and statements have been featured on local and national radio, local and national television programs and many newspapers. You may listen to Angel live, Monday through Friday, from 5-7 pm EST at RadioFreedom.us

It's also in The Examiner, which appears to be the American version of the Daily Fail without the editorial oversight.

I'm gonna file this under "crazy person blog post" and walk away.


I was actually impressed at how much better the reporting in the Examiner story was than in the local TV news story. A low bar, to be sure, but cleared nonetheless.
 
2013-12-03 07:19:31 AM

wildcardjack: Ahem... Fair AND SPEEDY trial. If the state sits on an unpaid fine for eight years THEY HAVE NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT!


Was gonna say this.

8 years is in nkw way fair nor speedy.

Move to dismiss based on this.
 
2013-12-03 07:20:27 AM
I was pulled over for speeding and then got arrested, I asked 'why' and was told I would find out at the station. We get to the station and again I ask 'why' and was told I would find out on my court date. I go to court and again I ask 'why' and was told that it was for a ticket I received 5-6 years before, but they could not tell me what the ticket was for. The court system at its finest ladies and gentlemen.
 
2013-12-03 07:22:04 AM
I'm more outraged by people going to jail over farking speeding tickets. Just impound the person's car or garnish their wages until repaid, do not waste valuable police man-power on this bullshiat.
 
2013-12-03 07:22:33 AM

BolivarShagnasty: Notabunny: fta What she thought would be a simple traffic ticket turned out to be much more.

Que the porn bass solo

Que?


Nada.
 
2013-12-03 07:24:16 AM

BolivarShagnasty: Notabunny: fta What she thought would be a simple traffic ticket turned out to be much more.

Que the porn bass solo

Que?


It's spanish for 'What'
 
2013-12-03 07:28:33 AM

MycroftHolmes: BolivarShagnasty: Notabunny: fta What she thought would be a simple traffic ticket turned out to be much more.

Que the porn bass solo

Que?

It's spanish for 'What'


stusshed.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-03 07:29:51 AM
Is it not false arrest on the part of the state if they are locking people up and denying their freedom overva mistake made by the state?

Ovbiously, IANAL, but ignorance is not an excuse for drivers, and if they in good faith took care kfvthe tickets, andcare still arrested, maybe it's just me...but I think they shoukd be compensated for the arrest/harrassment.

The govt taking away someone's freedom, even temporarily, over a mistake and not being penalized for it seems alarming to me.
 
2013-12-03 07:30:39 AM

Divinegrace: I was pulled over for speeding and then got arrested, I asked 'why' and was told I would find out at the station. We get to the station and again I ask 'why' and was told I would find out on my court date. I go to court and again I ask 'why' and was told that it was for a ticket I received 5-6 years before, but they could not tell me what the ticket was for. The court system at its finest ladies and gentlemen.


Have you sought legal advice? Because if what you say is true, there's quite a few ways you can ask for pecuniary, and non pecuniary damages. Potentially punitive if the conduct of the police is found to warrant it.
 
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