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(The New York Times)   Coca-Cola, Disney, Microsoft and the Hell's Angels faced with the same problem: protecting their brand identity   (nytimes.com) divider line 44
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2013-12-02 03:42:28 PM
I just assumed they still just beat the shiat out of anyone that gets in their way.

Disney, I mean. I don't know enough about the Hell's Angels
 
2013-12-02 04:29:26 PM

BunkoSquad: I just assumed they still just beat the shiat out of anyone that gets in their way.

Disney, I mean. I don't know enough about the Hell's Angels


your comment reminded me of this
 
2013-12-02 05:20:33 PM
Well, you have to admit, the Hell's Angels logo on the assless chaps was a marketing flop.
Except in Greenwich Village.
 
2013-12-02 05:21:29 PM
The copyright laws are so messed up. Micky mouse should have been a Hell's Angels years ago
 
2013-12-02 05:23:36 PM
Coca-Cola, Disney, Microsoft and the Hell's Angels
wait a minute.
Them Bikies ain't in for world domination.
Just their turf.
 
2013-12-02 05:25:13 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-02 05:28:02 PM
That's why we named our club The Satan's Helpers.
 
2013-12-02 05:28:09 PM

vudukungfu: Coca-Cola, Disney, Microsoft and the Hell's Angels
wait a minute.
Them Bikies ain't in for world domination.
Just their turf.


Whats the matter monarch, afraid to step up to the big leagues and try the world domination thing.
 
2013-12-02 05:28:17 PM
Born to be litigious.
 
2013-12-02 05:34:04 PM
The HA's are still a criminal organization, no matter how they try to deceive people that they aren't. Drugs, guns and prostitution are just some of their activities. I used to ride with a few ex-HA's that turned their patches in during the 90's. They all had done hard time for drugs.
 
2013-12-02 05:37:01 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: The copyright laws are so messed up. Micky mouse should have been a Hell's Angels years ago


Except we are talking about trademarks here, not copyright.
 
2013-12-02 05:42:12 PM
Take off that jacket, man. Now, eat it.
www.hwdyk.com
You got anything else with our logo on it?
Caps and Frisbees, sir.
You gotta eat them, too!
... and some pogs.
 
2013-12-02 05:44:56 PM

vudukungfu: Well, you have to admit, the Hell's Angels logo on the assless chaps was a marketing flop.
Except in Greenwich Village.


Are there chaps that aren't assless?
 
2013-12-02 05:45:51 PM

ukexpat: ourbigdumbmouth: The copyright laws are so messed up. Micky mouse should have been a Hell's Angels years ago

Except we are talking about trademarks here, not copyright.


Trademark laws are so messed up, Micky mouse should have been a Hell's Angel years ago.
 
2013-12-02 05:46:05 PM
So they're litigious thugs now? Literally.
 
2013-12-02 05:49:54 PM
Hey brother.  Next time you're out on the road, stop in at Terry the Tramp's™ Rock 'n' Roll Roadhouse™ and ask for a Sonny Barger™ Cabernet Sauvignon.

You might as well.  Any pretense you ever might have had of looking like a 1%er is long, long farkin' gone.
 
2013-12-02 05:52:55 PM
Was originally going to make a semi-snarky comment implying that Disney and Microsoft resort to brutal violence rather than lawsuits to resolve legal issues. Then I read the article. just wow.

/Stop this ride I think I want off.
 
2013-12-02 05:57:48 PM
Are the Angels still sore over their goddamn bench?
 
2013-12-02 05:59:36 PM

Rapmaster2000: That's why we named our club The Satan's Helpers.


SORRY! Nobodoy hipped me to that.
 
2013-12-02 06:00:12 PM

Earl Green: Earl Green: vudukungfu: Well, you have to admit, the Hell's Angels logo on the assless chaps was a marketing flop.
Except in Greenwich Village.

Are there chaps that aren't assless?


Yeah but they're called pants.

/biker
//hate chaps
 
2013-12-02 06:03:12 PM

Earl Green: vudukungfu: Well, you have to admit, the Hell's Angels logo on the assless chaps was a marketing flop.
Except in Greenwich Village.

Are there chaps that aren't assless?


Yes, well no.  If your "chaps" have an ass, then they are pants, not chaps.

/I do not own any leather pants
//Yes I ride.
 
2013-12-02 06:08:25 PM

BunkoSquad: I just assumed they still just beat the shiat out of anyone that gets in their way.

Disney, I mean. I don't know enough about the Hell's Angels


They can send them to Mowgli's Palace.
 
2013-12-02 06:13:13 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: ukexpat: ourbigdumbmouth: The copyright laws are so messed up. Micky mouse should have been a Hell's Angels years ago

Except we are talking about trademarks here, not copyright.

Trademark laws are so messed up, Micky mouse should have been a Hell's Angel years ago.


bikenights.net
No helmet either, 'cause he's such a badass.
 
2013-12-02 06:16:51 PM
FTA:  In its rule-bound world, only full members are permitted to wear the provocative death's-head patch or the two words of the club's name, which, like the logo, is trademarked by the organization. Separately, the group sells so-called support merchandise to the public on club websites and at Hells Angels parties and charity events. Recently the club opened a retail store in Toronto.
Designations such as 81 (H and A are the eighth and first letters of the alphabet) and Big Red Machine (Hells Angels' colors are red and white) are on an array of goods, including T-shirts (children's sizes available), beanies, tank tops, bikinis, underwear, pins, cigars, key chains, window decals and calendars.


So, they're using the marks "81" and "Big Red Machine" in commerce, but are  not using "Hell's Angels" or "the provocative death's head patch" as marks in commerce? 'Cause if not, those are explicitly not protected.

Someone should file a request to remove those latter marks from the registry, using this article as evidence.

/someone who's not me and who likes getting beat up
 
2013-12-02 06:17:16 PM
IP lawyers and Hell's Angels. Damn criminal thugs who will gut you like a fish as soon as look at you. And don't get me started on the bikers...
 
2013-12-02 06:18:05 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: ukexpat: ourbigdumbmouth: The copyright laws are so messed up. Micky mouse should have been a Hell's Angels years ago

Except we are talking about trademarks here, not copyright.

Trademark laws are so messed up, Micky mouse should have been a Hell's Angel years ago.


Much better.
 
2013-12-02 06:18:14 PM
This part too:  He explains that the Hells Angels are so protective about their membership marks that members must sign a document stipulating that anything with the club name or symbols belongs to the corporation and not to them.

If they're not for sale, then they're not protected by federal trademark law, which is solely a creature of the Commerce Clause.
 
2013-12-02 06:43:04 PM
FTA: "Today, Mr. Clapp, an eloquent and irreverent man known to wear a purple fez during negotiations with other lawyers..."

Apparently someone else thinks fezzes are cool...

ic.pics.livejournal.com
 
2013-12-02 06:49:06 PM

afswordsman: Earl Green: Are there chaps that aren't assless?

Yes, well no.  If your "chaps" have an ass, then they are pants, not chaps.


Crotchless pants. But yes.

Theaetetus: FTA:  In its rule-bound world, only full members are permitted to wear the provocative death's-head patch or the two words of the club's name, which, like the logo, is trademarked by the organization. Separately, the group sells so-called support merchandise to the public on club websites and at Hells Angels parties and charity events. Recently the club opened a retail store in Toronto.
Designations such as 81 (H and A are the eighth and first letters of the alphabet) and Big Red Machine (Hells Angels' colors are red and white) are on an array of goods, including T-shirts (children's sizes available), beanies, tank tops, bikinis, underwear, pins, cigars, key chains, window decals and calendars.

So, they're using the marks "81" and "Big Red Machine" in commerce, but are  not using "Hell's Angels" or "the provocative death's head patch" as marks in commerce? 'Cause if not, those are explicitly not protected.

Someone should file a request to remove those latter marks from the registry, using this article as evidence.

/someone who's not me and who likes getting beat up


The Death's Head is used in commerce, the patch depicting nothing but the Death's Head is not available as to non-members.  I'm also guessing that using the phrase "Hells Angels" is used in commerce, however it is not used on the merchandise as a logo.  For example, references in books published by the Hell's Angels or wine with "Brought to you by the Hell's Angels" in a small plain font, etc.
 
2013-12-02 07:07:03 PM
As someone that has worked with Disney lawyers.. Do not fark with Disnry lawyer's. They will eat your beating heart give half a reason to do so.
 
2013-12-02 07:24:40 PM

Theaetetus: This part too:  He explains that the Hells Angels are so protective about their membership marks that members must sign a document stipulating that anything with the club name or symbols belongs to the corporation and not to them.

If they're not for sale, then they're not protected by federal trademark law, which is solely a creature of the Commerce Clause.


Wickard v. Filburn
 
2013-12-02 07:26:38 PM

This text is now purple: Theaetetus: This part too:  He explains that the Hells Angels are so protective about their membership marks that members must sign a document stipulating that anything with the club name or symbols belongs to the corporation and not to them.

If they're not for sale, then they're not protected by federal trademark law, which is solely a creature of the Commerce Clause.

Wickard v. Filburn


Words are not goods, even non-fungible ones. ;)
 
2013-12-02 07:34:41 PM

Theaetetus: FTA:  In its rule-bound world, only full members are permitted to wear the provocative death's-head patch or the two words of the club's name, which, like the logo, is trademarked by the organization. Separately, the group sells so-called support merchandise to the public on club websites and at Hells Angels parties and charity events. Recently the club opened a retail store in Toronto.
Designations such as 81 (H and A are the eighth and first letters of the alphabet) and Big Red Machine (Hells Angels' colors are red and white) are on an array of goods, including T-shirts (children's sizes available), beanies, tank tops, bikinis, underwear, pins, cigars, key chains, window decals and calendars.

So, they're using the marks "81" and "Big Red Machine" in commerce, but are  not using "Hell's Angels" or "the provocative death's head patch" as marks in commerce? 'Cause if not, those are explicitly not protected.

Someone should file a request to remove those latter marks from the registry, using this article as evidence.

/someone who's not me and who likes getting beat up


If you ever bought Adobe software on CDs, in the EULA, it states that you've actually only rented the IP from them, and the CDs are not to be sold on. Try selling your own software as a Photoshop product. In about 15 minutes, Adobe's legal team would kick your ass financially worse than the Hells Angels ever could physically. That situation seems analogous to the patch holders possessing but not owning their patches. After all, if you fark up and consistently fail to pay your dues, your patch is getting pulled. Isn't that essentially renting it?
 
2013-12-02 07:36:16 PM
There is no apostrophe in Hells Angels.
 
2013-12-02 08:20:30 PM

Warchild: There is no apostrophe in Hells Angels.


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On another note, i've seen a certain band use a skull logo that is remarkably similar to the HA Deaths Head. Close enough that i'd be nervous if I was them.
 
2013-12-02 09:10:47 PM
Oh for the good old days, when they would find someone with a "Filthy Few" tattoo, who wasn't an Angel, and they would carve it off of him.  Now it's, "I going to call my lawyer!" I wonder if they've trademarked the "Filthy Few" phrase.
 
2013-12-02 09:30:25 PM
Hunter S Thompson's ghost wants all three of them to lick his taint.

Wait, is "Hunter S Thompson's Ghost" taken? Because I want to change my Fark handle.
 
2013-12-02 10:22:39 PM

afswordsman: Are there chaps that aren't assless?

Yes, well no. If your "chaps" have an ass, then they are pants, not chaps.


I own chaps that have an ass.  They aren't pants.  They have zippers up the side and are designed to be worn over pants. They're body armor for wiping out.

/I ride too
 
2013-12-02 10:25:23 PM
We definitely had this conversation within the last 6 weeks after reading a much shorter article.
 
2013-12-03 03:32:38 AM

Kaltros: FTA: "Today, Mr. Clapp, an eloquent and irreverent man known to wear a purple fez during negotiations with other lawyers..."

Apparently someone else thinks fezzes are cool...

[ic.pics.livejournal.com image 743x460]


I love my fez!
 
2013-12-03 08:44:06 AM
Great.  I live right off Interstate 81.  I'm looking at it from my office right now.
 
2013-12-03 11:37:18 AM

Earl Green: vudukungfu: Well, you have to admit, the Hell's Angels logo on the assless chaps was a marketing flop.
Except in Greenwich Village.

Are there chaps that aren't assless?


I keep trying to say that chaps that aren't assless are called pants.
 
2013-12-03 12:17:51 PM

Mad Mark: Warchild: There is no apostrophe in Hells Angels.

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On another note, i've seen a certain band use a skull logo that is remarkably similar to the HA Deaths Head. Close enough that i'd be nervous if I was them.


Friend of mine got hassled for wearing that Five Finger Death Punch t-shirt with rockers on it. Which is kinda stupid and over-zealous if you ask me. But putting something that looks like a three piece patch on a t-shirt's a little dumb too.
 
2013-12-03 01:01:08 PM

grizzlyjohnson: Mad Mark: Warchild: There is no apostrophe in Hells Angels.

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 188x254]

On another note, i've seen a certain band use a skull logo that is remarkably similar to the HA Deaths Head. Close enough that i'd be nervous if I was them.

Friend of mine got hassled for wearing that Five Finger Death Punch t-shirt with rockers on it. Which is kinda stupid and over-zealous if you ask me. But putting something that looks like a three piece patch on a t-shirt's a little dumb too.


I'd hassle him too. That band is terrible.
 
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