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(Fox News)   The Supreme Court has officially decided that religious liberty no longer exists in the United States   (foxnews.com) divider line 497
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2013-12-02 03:55:55 PM  
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2013-12-02 03:56:46 PM  
Without RTFA, I have a feeling a cock-punching to the author and submitter are in order.
 
2013-12-02 03:57:07 PM  
Except for corporations led by Christians. They have tons of religious liberty.
 
2013-12-02 03:57:36 PM  
YAY!, now lets get rid of that stupid 'tax exempt' crap!  If they are run like a corporation, tax them like a corporation.
 
2013-12-02 03:58:16 PM  

coeyagi: Without RTFA, I have a feeling a cock-punching to the author and submitter are in order.


I'm just subby was just trolling. The courts threw out Liberty Universities suit against the ACA, not just the contraception mandate, the whole thing.
 
2013-12-02 03:58:31 PM  
Don't you mean Xtian Supremacy, subby?
 
2013-12-02 03:59:54 PM  
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2013-12-02 04:00:27 PM  
"WAAAAH Now I can't hide my intolerance and bigotry behind God anymore WWWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!"
 
2013-12-02 04:00:47 PM  
Why do anti abortion people hate contraceptives?
 
2013-12-02 04:01:33 PM  
For subby:

anabolicminds.com
 
2013-12-02 04:01:37 PM  
Subby's butthurt?

/reads article

Yeah, subby's butthurt
 
2013-12-02 04:01:46 PM  
The university had mounted a major challenge to the law, going after the contraception mandate but also the requirement on employers to provide coverage.

Just according to the Lord's teaching, "Your neighbors are sick? fark them."
 
2013-12-02 04:02:04 PM  
At best this case was redundant, at worst it's just not a good case.

They already ruled on the individual mandate, the Court doesn't like to rearrange the petitioner's argument for them. So, no writ of certiorari, not yours.
 
2013-12-02 04:02:59 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: Why do anti abortion people hate contraceptives?


Because it's all about control.
 
2013-12-02 04:03:05 PM  
TL;DR, the court decided not to hear a case that went "OVERDERP" against Obamacare, saying that forcing them to provide coverage at ALL was a violation of their religious liberty to deny healthcare in the name of Lord Satan. But they're still hearing a couple of "Derp Classic" cases like Hobby Lobby's, claiming that providing contraception coverage violates their liberties, in the coming months.

So, a slight reprieve, but not much of one. Especially since the court had earlier ordered the lower court to consider this OVERDERP case in the first place.
 
2013-12-02 04:03:11 PM  
I thought subby was being sarcastic myself.
 
2013-12-02 04:03:24 PM  
An expensive appeals. That must have been....taxing.
 
2013-12-02 04:04:27 PM  

coeyagi: Without RTFA, I have a feeling a cock-punching to the author and submitter are in order.


Subby's obvious troll is obvious, but the author of the article was reasonably factual.

The university had mounted a major challenge to the law, going after the contraception mandate but also the requirement on employers to provide coverage.
Liberty made several arguments in challenging the portion of the health care law that requires most employers to provide health insurance to their workers or pay a fine. The 4th U.S. Circuit of Appeals in Richmond, Va., rejected those claims.


They were trying to save money at the expense of their workers. Religion wasn't the reason; it was just an excuse to challenge the ACA in the courts.
 
2013-12-02 04:04:32 PM  

MindStalker: coeyagi: Without RTFA, I have a feeling a cock-punching to the author and submitter are in order.

I'm just subby was just trolling. The courts threw out Liberty Universities suit against the ACA, not just the contraception mandate, the whole thing.


Good.  I mean, I understand that 1% of women have never used birth control in their lifetime, and that is such a precious quantity we wouldn't want to force them to pay for coverage that is against their belief structure, but as it stands, even for many who have a non-birth-control stance in their belief structure, they (in Kinnison voice) DON'T F*CKING ABIDE BY THEIR BELIEF STRUCTURE ANYWAY!

//a 21st Century Belief Structure - Math you tell your parents to make yourself feel good.  -Megyn Kelly
 
2013-12-02 04:04:56 PM  
...for corporations.

Tis a sad day, really. Except not.
 
2013-12-02 04:05:02 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: Why do anti abortion people hate contraceptives?


Because they like shaming people who have sex more than they hate abortions.
 
2013-12-02 04:05:03 PM  
I noticed that in every instance they referred to it as ObamaCare, even in the side / linked related headlines, rather then Obamacare.

Is that typical for Fox?  I never seen anyone capitalize the "c" before.
 
2013-12-02 04:05:36 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: Why do anti abortion people hate contraceptives?


To properly answer this question, please study non-disjunction of the Holliday complex on Chromosome 21.
 
2013-12-02 04:06:23 PM  

AwfulJackass: At best this case was redundant, at worst it's just not a good case.They already ruled on the individual mandate, the Court doesn't like to rearrange the petitioner's argument for them. So, no writ of certiorari, not yours.



I thought the question of the employER mandate was a non-redundant argument. I would have liked to see that adjudicated.

"The university had mounted a major challenge to the law, going after the contraception mandate but also the requirement on employers to provide coverage.
Liberty made several arguments in challenging the portion of the health care law that requires most employers to provide health insurance to their workers or pay a fine."

I'm reasonably certain they can assert standing as they are being required - or will they have to wait until next year, AFTER the mandate kicks in?
I would be curious to see what their arguments were, and if they had a compelling case. It's a shame the SCOTUS declined with no comment.
 
2013-12-02 04:07:38 PM  

draypresct: coeyagi: Without RTFA, I have a feeling a cock-punching to the author and submitter are in order.

Subby's obvious troll is obvious, but the author of the article was reasonably factual.

The university had mounted a major challenge to the law, going after the contraception mandate but also the requirement on employers to provide coverage.
Liberty made several arguments in challenging the portion of the health care law that requires most employers to provide health insurance to their workers or pay a fine. The 4th U.S. Circuit of Appeals in Richmond, Va., rejected those claims.

They were trying to save money at the expense of their workers. Religion wasn't the reason; it was just an excuse to challenge the ACA in the courts.


Whoa.  Liberty University must be run by Jews for Jesus.

//ducks
 
2013-12-02 04:07:49 PM  
To be fair, it is kinda stupid that employers are in charge of their employees' health care funding.  But that's just part of the systematic failure of trying to deliver health care through a profit-based private market.  I'm astounded that a market solution would fail with faced with a set of circumstances that doesn't respond to market forces.
 
2013-12-02 04:07:52 PM  

coeyagi: Without RTFA, I have a feeling a cock-punching to the author and submitter are in order.


I don't know, TFA seems amazingly centrist, reporting the facts of the case, but not making much of a journalistic swing in any direction(Except for calling it Obamacare, but even supporters are calling it that at this point). ESPECIALLY for Fox News. And Subby? Maybe he was just having a fun play on words with his headline?
 
2013-12-02 04:08:09 PM  

Corvus: I thought subby was being sarcastic myself.


It looked like an attempt at a pun - i.e. "Liberty" college can't be religious! Oh, no!

But it's a troll. Subby's headline made it seem like religion was the issue. The actual case involved Liberty college trying to save money by not providing health insurance to its workers at all (not just contraceptives).
 
2013-12-02 04:08:21 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: Why do anti abortion people hate contraceptives?


Every sperm is sacred.
 
2013-12-02 04:08:48 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: I would be curious to see what their arguments were, and if they had a compelling case.


Surely the arguments from the lower court rulings would be available somewhere.
 
2013-12-02 04:09:16 PM  

Fart_Machine: Mr. Cat Poop: Why do anti abortion people hate contraceptives?

Because it's all about control.


This.

"You don't toe our religious line and ended up pregnant? F*CK YOU. No you don't get contraception. You're not supposed to be having sex. You're going to have that baby, and then pull yourself up by your bootstraps. No leaching off successful people like me via welfare and what-have-you. And when your baby grows up? Prison. F*CK YOU, do as you're told."
 
2013-12-02 04:09:26 PM  

Fart_Machine: Because it's all about control.


For a primate species with hidden ovulation, the best way to ensure patrimony is to keep your females isolated from other males, continually pregnant with your seed, and ignorant of the outside world.
 
2013-12-02 04:09:51 PM  
Here's the thing: if you incorporate, you're asking the government to create a fictional person, just for you, to take the blame in court, assume debts, live (potentially) forever, pay a different tax rate, and in general remove a bunch of liability from you, personally.

If you're going to ask the government to create a new person for you to do all those things - in other words, get all those additional privileges - then you should accept that this person is going to have to give something up in return.

I suppose I have no problem with sole proprietorships and general partnerships having religious exemptions, since the owners are still personally liable for debts and legal actions - but for something like Liberty University or Hobby Lobby, which the owners are generally immune from liability for debt and legal actions, well...if you don't want to play by the rules, you don't get those benefits.
 
2013-12-02 04:11:11 PM  

coeyagi: Without RTFA, I have a feeling a cock-punching to the author and submitter are in order.


Just the submitter...  The article is from the AP and seems to be just the facts without editorial.
 
2013-12-02 04:11:49 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Fart_Machine: Mr. Cat Poop: Why do anti abortion people hate contraceptives?

Because it's all about control.

This.

"You don't toe our religious line and ended up pregnant? F*CK YOU. No you don't get contraception. You're not supposed to be having sex. You're going to have that baby, and then pull yourself up by your bootstraps. No leaching off successful people like me via welfare and what-have-you. And when your baby grows up? Prison. F*CK YOU, do as you're told."


As an aside, I've known far too many women (well, like...four) who were too Catholic to use birth control, but not Catholic enough to avoid premarital sex. Same for the men - too Catholic to use a condom, but not Catholic enough to avoid premarital/extramarital sex. It's...mind boggling, really.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-12-02 04:12:05 PM  
You know why hell is so hot right now?

Jerry Falwell's fat is still burning off.

Seriously... he was the asshole's asshole.  Liberty University is about as christian as...well, Jerry Falwell...
 
2013-12-02 04:12:07 PM  

coeyagi: They were trying to save money at the expense of their workers. Religion wasn't the reason; it was just an excuse to challenge the ACA in the courts.

Whoa. Liberty University must be run by Jews for Jesus.

//ducks


Please don't. It was even less funny than my post, and it added nothing to the conversation.
 
2013-12-02 04:12:11 PM  

Tricky Chicken: If they are run like a corporation, tax them like a corporation.


So not really taxed at all?
 
2013-12-02 04:12:24 PM  

theorellior: Fart_Machine: Because it's all about control.

For a primate species with hidden ovulation, the best way to ensure patrimony is to keep your females isolated from other males, continually pregnant with your seed, and ignorant of the outside world.


I guess that explains why Republican men speak about this issue in terms of protecting their daughters.

*ducks beer bottles thrown by hillbillies*
 
2013-12-02 04:12:29 PM  

qorkfiend: Surely the arguments from the lower court rulings would be available somewhere.


I'm sure they are. This is the first I've heard of the specifics. I'd go dig into it, but at this point it doesn't really matter. Good case, bad case, good decision, bad decision, it's over until someone tries again.
 
2013-12-02 04:12:35 PM  

Corvus: I thought subby was being sarcastic myself.


I did too.
 
2013-12-02 04:12:58 PM  
Lazy greenlight, subs
 
2013-12-02 04:13:13 PM  
I thought churches were exempt?

Wait...who accredited that piece of shiat? Oh well, at least we don't have to worry about any Liberty U graduates winding up in positions of power in say, a presidential administration.
 
2013-12-02 04:13:48 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: Why do anti abortion people hate contraceptives?


Because they think that "The Handmaid's Tale" is a "How-To" book.
 
2013-12-02 04:14:18 PM  

theorellior: For a primate species with hidden ovulation, the best way to ensure patrimony is to keep your females isolated from other males, continually pregnant with your seed, and ignorant of the outside world.


Good lord, you've just given us the Dominionist Rosetta Stone.
 
2013-12-02 04:14:31 PM  
Oh no, they can't force other people to conform to their religious beliefs.  This is just terrible!
 
2013-12-02 04:15:38 PM  

Tricky Chicken: YAY!, now lets get rid of that stupid 'tax exempt' crap!  If they are run like a corporation, tax them like a corporation.


If they're located on a public road that's paved with my tax dollars and kept safe by the police that me and my neighbors pay for, I'm with you 100%.
 
2013-12-02 04:16:06 PM  
You have the religious liberty to decide not to take the pill.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-12-02 04:16:17 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Here's the thing: if you incorporate, you're asking the government to create a fictional person, just for you, to take the blame in court, assume debts, live (potentially) forever, pay a different tax rate, and in general remove a bunch of liability from you, personally.


SCOTUS as a big decision coming up... whether to decide that corporations are "fully" a person with religious rights and all that and, thus, letting them *totally* run amok do whatever they choose in the name of profit by claiming it's for "religious reasons" or admitting that corporations have rights that are more limited than real persons.

Since Scolia, his buddy Uncle Tom, and most of the rest of the court thinks corporations running amok is just fine I think there's a pretty good chance we
 
2013-12-02 04:16:55 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: Why do anti abortion people hate contraceptives?


It's a complex question: Part of it is Catholic stuff, and there's also a lot of misinformation about what hormonal contraceptives do. However, for evangelicals, I'm convinced that a really big part of it is that they feel that they're sinning if they do anything to empower people to have sex that they don't approve of. These are the same people who get upset when the school nurses hand out condoms: Sure, it's better than the kids having unprotected sex, but they shouldn't be having sex at all, so if we take away the consequences for sex it's tantamount to approving of it and taking on moral culpability for their actions.

While the statistics show that unmarried evangelicals are not really more celebate in practice than the "unsaved," there's apparently a big difference between "making mistakes" and consciously enabling others to sin.
 
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