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(Daily Mail)   Transsexual man enters Deal Or No Deal to fund surgery ahead of his sex swap, or in this case Dick or no Dick   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 109
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2013-12-02 09:35:15 AM
Those are some hideous arms. And her posture is all kinds of farked up.

I'm not going to knock this person for wanting to change sexes. But if you've got the square face going on, try for Olivia Wilde, not Quasimodo.
 
2013-12-02 09:39:58 AM
It's transsexual woman, subby. The guy in the article is a trans woman. Show him some respect.
 
2013-12-02 09:41:38 AM
Well, he makes a really ugly woman.
 
2013-12-02 09:42:12 AM
Who cares?  It's a game show, if we gave a single shiat about the backstories of the people playing the game we'd be watching extended-format shiat like Big Brother instead.

Want whatever you want, use your potential winnings on whatever you want.  The audience is just going to be mocking your poor ability at the game either way, unlikely they even listen to your no doubt beautifully written fanfiction backstory or whatever.
 
2013-12-02 09:42:36 AM
Whoa that's one ugly tranny. hahaha hehehe hehee


what?
 
2013-12-02 09:45:43 AM
Is it really too much to expect subby to get gender descriptors right when they are right there in the first paragraph of TFA?

/yeah, I know
//sigh
 
2013-12-02 09:51:32 AM
Subby's right, though. It's a man transitioning to "become a woman."
 
2013-12-02 09:54:14 AM
British Hot?
 
2013-12-02 09:57:39 AM
img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-12-02 10:01:08 AM
Ok... I laughed at the headline
 
2013-12-02 10:03:06 AM
I think she should spend less time thinking about how to remove her no-longer-wanted penis and more time learning how to crack a smile.  Jeez, what an angry looking person....
 
2013-12-02 10:03:07 AM

Rincewind53: I tried the Winston Churchill kind of witty insult repartee. Sadly, it requires someone with a wit at the other end for it to actually work.


Have you tried taking him out onto the street and executing him in front of his family and neighbor?
 
2013-12-02 10:04:08 AM

Jim_Callahan: Who cares?  It's a game show, if we gave a single shiat about the backstories of the people playing the game we'd be watching extended-format shiat like Big Brother instead.


As I understand it, if you want to play Wheel Of Fortune it helps to have an interesting one sentence blurb. I don't know if transgender would fly there, but you could try.
 
2013-12-02 10:05:17 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Rincewind53: I tried the Winston Churchill kind of witty insult repartee. Sadly, it requires someone with a wit at the other end for it to actually work.

Have you tried taking him out onto the street and executing him in front of his family and neighbor?


See, that tactic doesn't actually send any message about the person being executed, just the person who does the executing. Similarly,  duffblue's insult actually makes you want to support the rights of transgender people even more, and support him even less.
 
2013-12-02 10:09:36 AM
oh HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....


no seriously, subby is a dick.
 
2013-12-02 10:12:54 AM
I can't understand what it must be like to hate your junk so much, that you want it removed or (surgically) covered up with another organ (not really sure it can be called that but whatever). If I felt that way about my arms and legs, would people think I was crazy? I also can't imagine that the end result is more satisfying or functions better than the original.

/not hatin
 
2013-12-02 10:14:04 AM
Man, nothing gets the Fark hate machine going faster than an article about transgender people.
 
2013-12-02 10:18:24 AM

Rincewind53: Man, nothing gets the Fark hate machine going faster than an article about transgender people.


I would suspect a lot of people are confused by the very idea of transgender people.

and as well all know a lot of people when confronted by something they don't understand, react with anger.
 
2013-12-02 10:25:13 AM

Rincewind53: Man, nothing gets the Fark hate machine going faster than an article about transgender people.


I hear ya. She's actually pretty cute. Sure, the posture could use improvement but her knees are nicely rounded. Kudos for dropping all that weight, not that I can even begin to relate to the "stone" thing. Though on that subject, I'd prefer she keep her stones. Personal preference is all.
 
2013-12-02 10:29:37 AM

Richard C Stanford: Well, he makes a really ugly woman.


Yeah I don't think any game show could ever possibly pay out enough. Only to make that person passable as a woman.

/ what do I care what a contestant spends the prize money on though? I'd probably just take my winnings to Vegas (I guess they film a lot of game shows there, to make the gambling legal, so maybe it'd be a short trip?) and blow it all at a blackjack table.
 
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2013-12-02 10:34:00 AM

abfalter: I think she should spend less time thinking about how to remove her no-longer-wanted penis and more time learning how to crack a smile.  Jeez, what an angry looking person....


I agree, very much. I was fully expecting the usual and requisite "long face" refs. I am disappoint.
 
2013-12-02 10:36:21 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: And her posture is all kinds of farked up.

Cletus C.: Sure, the posture could use improvement


24.media.tumblr.com
It's actually pretty standard for modeling, lately. Yes, it's farked up, but it's not unique to her.
 
2013-12-02 10:37:28 AM

abfalter: I think she should spend less time thinking about how to remove her no-longer-wanted penis and more time learning how to crack a smile.  Jeez, what an angry looking person....


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
It's a thing with those types.
 
2013-12-02 10:37:46 AM

Strik3r: I can't understand what it must be like to hate your junk so much, that you want it removed or (surgically) covered up with another organ (not really sure it can be called that but whatever). If I felt that way about my arms and legs, would people think I was crazy? I also can't imagine that the end result is more satisfying or functions better than the original.

/not hatin


Me, neither.  And I know someone IRL who has gone through the surgery.  At college age.  I just hope that she doesn't regret it later in life.  That is more irreversible than getting a tattoo.
 
2013-12-02 10:38:52 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

Sees what you did there... and over there, too.
 
2013-12-02 10:39:13 AM
If she's hot, does it really matter?
 
2013-12-02 10:41:12 AM

JerkStore: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x423]

Sees what you did there... and over there, too.


That doesn't look like a picture of a wax mannequin at all.
 
2013-12-02 10:47:45 AM

Theaetetus: AverageAmericanGuy: And her posture is all kinds of farked up.
Cletus C.: Sure, the posture could use improvement

[24.media.tumblr.com image 625x877]
It's actually pretty standard for modeling, lately. Yes, it's farked up, but it's not unique to her.


It's hard to tell in that picture of Sofia, but Quasi's got her head way forward of her body. It's really quite simian.
 
2013-12-02 10:59:57 AM
I never understood the "I feel like a female, so I have to wear miniskirts and makeup"

I am a female and do neither of these on a regular basis. I don't even know what feeling like a female means honestly I'm androgynous.

I am married to a man and have kids. I feel more like him then I do my feminine friends.

Never thought to get the bits changed, it would not change how my head feels.
 
2013-12-02 11:04:23 AM
Was this trans person expecting the article to only feature head shots?
 
2013-12-02 11:19:31 AM

Theaetetus: It's actually pretty standard for modeling, lately. Yes, it's farked up, but it's not unique to her.


That posture makes her look like she's standing in line for the ladies' room, squirming, trying not to pee herself.
 
2013-12-02 11:41:28 AM
0.o
 
2013-12-02 11:45:21 AM
Don't care what anybody wants to do for themselves. If you think mutilating yourself is going to make you happier, go for it (it won't). I will however applaud this guy for at least trying to earn the money himself rather than attention-whore strangers on Kickstarter or try to get the government to do it on the taxpayer dime.
 
2013-12-02 11:45:54 AM
www.spacetekwelding.com
Nobody likes a busted-up tranny...
 
2013-12-02 11:49:30 AM

Terrible Old Man: Don't care what anybody wants to do for themselves. If you think mutilating yourself is going to make you happier, go for it (it won't). I will however applaud this guy for at least trying to earn the money himself rather than attention-whore strangers on Kickstarter or try to get the government to do it on the taxpayer dime.


Clearly, you have a very open mind. But, a-hem, perhaps you should read the article. She wants to win the money for thigh surgery related to her weight loss because she has been refused government-funded reassignment surgery based on something to do with those thigh issues.

By the way, the mutilation my parents chose for me makes me very happy.
 
2013-12-02 12:23:07 PM

Loaf's Tray: [www.spacetekwelding.com image 850x588]
Nobody likes a busted-up tranny...


newnownext.mtvnimages.com

PS to the wannabe .. if you can't menses, then you're faking ..
 
2013-12-02 12:26:25 PM
I dated a guy with GID. He was one of the warmest, sweetest individuals I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. We grew apart because of distance, mostly, not because of his (her) gender identity.

The only bad thing I could say was I was totally jealous that his hair always looked better than mine. Seriously. I would've killed to have curls like that. ^_^
 
2013-12-02 12:29:47 PM

Loaf's Tray: That's really just treating a symptom of whatever the real problem is, kinda like hacking out a malignant organ to "treat" cancer.


Considering excising a solid tumor IS treating cancer, I'm not sure why you're putting it in quotes.

What you're suggesting is pretty much eugenics, considering GID results - according to current research - as a result of intrauterine brain development and maternal-fetal interaction. Are you really sure you want to go down that hillside, it's a little slippery.
 
2013-12-02 12:40:06 PM

H31N0US: abfalter: I think she should spend less time thinking about how to remove her no-longer-wanted penis and more time learning how to crack a smile.  Jeez, what an angry looking person....

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 399x400]
 
It's a thing with those types.



Wrong character. Should we be surprised?
 
2013-12-02 01:11:15 PM

hardinparamedic: Loaf's Tray: That's really just treating a symptom of whatever the real problem is, kinda like hacking out a malignant organ to "treat" cancer.

Considering excising a solid tumor IS treating cancer, I'm not sure why you're putting it in quotes.

What you're suggesting is pretty much eugenics, considering GID results - according to current research - as a result of intrauterine brain development and maternal-fetal interaction. Are you really sure you want to go down that hillside, it's a little slippery.


What if that same research linking GID to fetal brain development finds that there's a directly controllable chemical cause like intrauterine protein deficiencies or toxins - would it be "eugenics" to deliberately eliminate those conditions?  Or is it unethical to do anything other than "let nature run its course" and clean up the mess afterwards? Modern medicine is discouragingly primitive in some respects, all I'm suggesting is that we might explore better alternatives to ANY disorder that we "treat" with drastic invasive surgery.
 
2013-12-02 01:17:28 PM
How sad is it that he is better looking than most the women I know?
 
2013-12-02 01:19:18 PM

stuffy: How sad is it that he She is better looking than most the women I know?


FTFY
 
2013-12-02 01:41:06 PM

Heliovdrake: Rincewind53:

Man, nothing gets the Fark hate machine going faster than an article about transgender people.

I would suspect a lot of people are confused by the very idea of transgender people.

and as well all know a lot of people when confronted by something they don't understand, react with anger.


And then there are some people who realize that guys who think surgery and pills will make them women (and vice versa) are confused and deluded.

As is the chick I read about not long ago who wants a surgeon to sever her spinal cord so she can be the paraplegic she thinks she's meant to be. Or guys who drape their legs across railroad tracks because legitimate surgeons won't humor their perversion: they cinch the stump off with a belt, chomp a couple more pain pills, and call 911. "Now I'm fulfilled!1!"

You should be entitled to have any surgery you want if you can come up with the money on your own. It's your body to mutilate. With your own money, on your own time. Just don't expect me to applaud.

Note that I understand "transsexualism," I just don't accept it as commendable.

I also understand that 1) you don't know delusion when you see it, and 2) you don't think anybody has a right to disagree with you. The implicit logic is "Of course my opinion is 100% correct, so there's something wrong with anyone who doesn't see it my way."

In other works, go fark yourself.
 
2013-12-02 01:46:33 PM

The One True TheDavid: I also understand that 1) you don't know delusion when you see it, and 2) you don't think anybody has a right to disagree with you. The implicit logic is "Of course my opinion is 100% correct, so there's something wrong with anyone who doesn't see it my way."


Of course, you believe your opinion regarding delusion is 100% correct, and you think there's something wrong with Heliovdrake and you told him to fark himself for disagreeing with you. So, at best, you're a hypocrite.
 
2013-12-02 01:52:38 PM

The One True TheDavid: And then there are some people who realize that guys who think surgery and pills will make them women (and vice versa) are confused and deluded.

As is the chick I read about not long ago who wants a surgeon to sever her spinal cord so she can be the paraplegic she thinks she's meant to be. Or guys who drape their legs across railroad tracks because legitimate surgeons won't humor their perversion: they cinch the stump off with a belt, chomp a couple more pain pills, and call 911. "Now I'm fulfilled!1!"

You should be entitled to have any surgery you want if you can come up with the money on your own. It's your body to mutilate. With your own money, on your own time. Just don't expect me to applaud.

Note that I understand "transsexualism," I just don't accept it as commendable.

I also understand that 1) you don't know delusion when you see it, and 2) you don't think anybody has a right to disagree with you. The implicit logic is "Of course my opinion is 100% correct, so there's something wrong with anyone who doesn't see it my way."

In other works, go fark yourself.


Ah. Don't applaud then. Don't accept it. Your applause and acceptance are not needed or required. Just go work on your truck and don't give it any more thought.
 
2013-12-02 02:15:29 PM

Theaetetus: The One True TheDavid: I also understand that 1) you don't know delusion when you see it, and 2) you don't think anybody has a right to disagree with you. The implicit logic is "Of course my opinion is 100% correct, so there's something wrong with anyone who doesn't see it my way."

Of course, you believe your opinion regarding delusion is 100% correct, and you think there's something wrong with Heliovdrake and you told him to fark himself for disagreeing with you. So, at best, you're a hypocrite.


Thank you Theaetus.
 
2013-12-02 02:16:23 PM
Funny, when I hate people it's because of the bad things they've done to others. Awful lot of hate in this thread for people who aren't doing anything to you but existing.

Bigotry. Yup, you're no better than your grandfathers with the 'colored' folk. And like Gramps, you're fighting a world that's changing and leaving you in the dust.

Oh, I also know a few trans sex workers. You see the ones in this thread spewing venom? They're the same ones asking the 'tranny' to top them five minutes in. Or begging to suck her cock.

About 90% of the guys I Domme myself who want to be turned into cocksuckers are conservative Christians. That's the whole reason they're coming to me, it's not 'gay' if a pretty woman forces them to suck a cock. And they love trans because it's not 'gay' if they're sucking a woman's dick. But once they're not hard/aroused anymore most of them engage in deep shame and self loathing.

So when I see threads like this, I try to suss out which of you are fantasizing about being the Belle of the Gloryhole. And how many of the same are rock farking hard after reading this. If you made it through. I mean prolly halfway through they had to go to their 'tranny porn' stash.

/not even kidding
 
2013-12-02 02:32:25 PM

stuffy: How sad is it that he is better looking than most the women I know?


pretty sad.. you must know some really ugly women
 
2013-12-02 02:41:48 PM
After the Change, I would Bed her. She is Hot!
 
2013-12-02 02:45:58 PM

Lady Indica: Oh, I also know a few trans sex workers. You see the ones in this thread spewing venom? They're the same ones asking the 'tranny' to top them five minutes in. Or begging to suck her cock.


Excuse me? I've never had a tranny. Not even for free, though I've had offers. And if he has a cock he's not a she.

And as for "spewing hatred," obviously you don't think other people have a right to disagree with you. Good, it's been a while since my Ignore list got updated.
 
2013-12-02 02:47:53 PM

The One True TheDavid: And as for "spewing hatred," obviously you don't think other people have a right to disagree with you. Good, it's been a while since my Ignore list got updated.


Oh jesus christ, you delicate little flower.

"Disagreeing" is not the same as spewing uninformed, bigoted opinions and then acting indignant when people call you out for it.
 
2013-12-02 02:49:08 PM
Cletus C. replied unto moi:

Ah. Don't applaud then. Don't accept it. Your applause and acceptance are not needed or required.

So you admit that not accepting or applauding "sex reassignment" does not in fact make me "ignorant" or "a hater?" Cool.


Just go work on your truck and don't give it any more thought.

Ain't got no truck. I do accept Paypal!
 
2013-12-02 02:50:49 PM

ventrman: After the Change, I would Bed her. She is Hot!


After the Change he'd still be a he, just a mutilated one.

And you're not the slightest bit gay, you say?
 
2013-12-02 02:55:48 PM

The One True TheDavid: And you're not the slightest bit gay, you say?


You have no idea how sexual orientation works beyond what you learned in eighth grade Health class, do you?
 
2013-12-02 03:16:09 PM
img.fark.net

Only enjoyment I get from this thread. You may return to your hate filled arguments now.
 
2013-12-02 04:04:15 PM
Hinoi?
 
2013-12-02 04:22:15 PM
Just logged back into this thread and noticed that a mod deleted the call-to-violence-against-a-minority post up at the top.

Good on you mod, whoever you are.
 
2013-12-02 04:27:30 PM
Penis too sharp, would not hit.
 
2013-12-02 04:29:14 PM
What do any of you care what someone else does with their body? Their body, their life, their choice to make. Y'all would be screaming bloody murder if anyone started telling you what you could or couldn't do with your life so why all the anger and upset over what someone else does with their life? Stop liking what you don't like, eh? Just because you wouldn't make the same choice for yourself doesn't make it a wrong one for someone else.

Yeah I know, I'm a hypocrite because I find the people that want amputation or paralyzation to be exceedingly disturbing. Why would you cut off a perfectly good limb? I suppose y'all view genital reconstruction surgery much the same way so I get it but it's not the same as losing a limb.

And calling it mutilation. The disdain and disapproval evinced by the use of that word is palpable. What about women that have a mastectomy. Are they not mutilated? But of course no one ever says that because it's g'damn rude. People get cosmetic surgery all the time. There's even a thing called vaginal beautification. You can get your own designer vagina but no one raises a huge fuss about that. Personally I find it unnecessary but who am I tell someone else what they can or can't do with their body. But if someone wants to get their pecker turned inside out suddenly every bloke with two brain cells to rub together is tossing their two cents in when it was none of their business in the first place.
 
2013-12-02 04:43:08 PM

The One True TheDavid: Cletus C. replied unto moi:

Ah. Don't applaud then. Don't accept it. Your applause and acceptance are not needed or required.

So you admit that not accepting or applauding "sex reassignment" does not in fact make me "ignorant" or "a hater?" Cool.



Right. It's when you start saying stuff that you fall off the beam.
 
2013-12-02 04:56:05 PM

The One True TheDavid: ventrman: After the Change, I would Bed her. She is Hot!

After the Change he'd still be a he, just a mutilated one.

And you're not the slightest bit gay, you say?


You seem really, really personally offended with what other people choose to do with their bodies.

I would use my mutilated (circumcised) penis to do all sorts of fun stuff with her. And I would prefer to do so without the change, as it were. But a different mutilation (breast enhancement) on her would be nice.

Now, excuse me while I mutilate my toenails.
 
2013-12-02 04:58:18 PM

Cletus C.: The One True TheDavid: ventrman: After the Change, I would Bed her. She is Hot!

After the Change he'd still be a he, just a mutilated one.

And you're not the slightest bit gay, you say?

You seem really, really personally offended with what other people choose to do with their bodies.

I would use my mutilated (circumcised) penis to do all sorts of fun stuff with her. And I would prefer to do so without the change, as it were. But a different mutilation (breast enhancement) on her would be nice.

Now, excuse me while I mutilate my toenails.


I need to go mutilate my hair, back later.
 
2013-12-02 05:01:11 PM

The One True TheDavid: And then there are some people who realize that guys who think surgery and pills will make them women (and vice versa) are confused and deluded.

As is the chick I read about not long ago who wants a surgeon to sever her spinal cord so she can be the paraplegic she thinks she's meant to be. Or guys who drape their legs across railroad tracks because legitimate surgeons won't humor their perversion: they cinch the stump off with a belt, chomp a couple more pain pills, and call 911. "Now I'm fulfilled!1!"

You should be entitled to have any surgery you want if you can come up with the money on your own. It's your body to mutilate. With your own money, on your own time. Just don't expect me to applaud.

Note that I understand "transsexualism," I just don't accept it as commendable.

I also understand that 1) you don't know delusion when you see it, and 2) you don't think anybody has a right to disagree with you. The implicit logic is "Of course my opinion is 100% correct, so there's something wrong with anyone who doesn't see it my way."

In other works, go fark yourself.


There you are - I hadn't seen you in many of the other trans threads and I was starting to wonder if you'd dropped off the radar completely or if your zealotry had burnt out.

Also, how does your narrative that "transgender people are deluded" stack up against evidence that says transgender people have different neurological structures and have since birth (i.e. they are literally born that way)?
 
2013-12-02 06:28:25 PM
I think he's cute in the before pictures.  Like a fuzzy teddy bear.
 
2013-12-02 08:57:21 PM
It's a transsexual man (though there is totally nothing wrong with that), chromosomes don't lie.

It's like when a lady at my work kept talking about "that man that just got pregnant". It's not a man, it's a woman.

I'll call her Carl, or Bob or whatever... don't change the fact that she's a woman (or man in this case).

In no way a homophobe, but thems are the facts.
 
2013-12-02 09:09:18 PM

Mr. Pokeylope: It's a transsexual man (though there is totally nothing wrong with that), chromosomes don't lie.

It's like when a lady at my work kept talking about "that man that just got pregnant". It's not a man, it's a woman.

I'll call her Carl, or Bob or whatever... don't change the fact that she's a woman (or man in this case).

In no way a homophobe, but thems are the facts.


Oh dear, Mr. Pokeylope - it looks like you've spent too long at Thorney Towers Home For the Disturbed, otherwise you'd know there's a lot more to gender than just what the chromosomes say.
 
2013-12-02 09:32:05 PM

Shedim: Mr. Pokeylope: It's a transsexual man (though there is totally nothing wrong with that), chromosomes don't lie.

It's like when a lady at my work kept talking about "that man that just got pregnant". It's not a man, it's a woman.

I'll call her Carl, or Bob or whatever... don't change the fact that she's a woman (or man in this case).

In no way a homophobe, but thems are the facts.

Oh dear, Mr. Pokeylope - it looks like you've spent too long at Thorney Towers Home For the Disturbed, otherwise you'd know there's a lot more to gender than just what the chromosomes say.


My cat can never be a dog, my sandwich will never be a tuba, and the mighty shark will never be a bowl of petunias.

We have a bunch of transgendered people at work , and I would never treat them like anything other than what they are putting them selves out there as. I would never call a transgendered guy "dude", and think it would be the height of rudeness to call an obviously trans-woman "ma'am".

I'm all for gender neutrality, but in the name of science I can't pretend that something is what it is not.

Live as what you want to and be happy... but there was never a pregnant dude.
 
2013-12-02 09:42:40 PM

Shedim: Mr. Pokeylope: It's a transsexual man (though there is totally nothing wrong with that), chromosomes don't lie.

It's like when a lady at my work kept talking about "that man that just got pregnant". It's not a man, it's a woman.

I'll call her Carl, or Bob or whatever... don't change the fact that she's a woman (or man in this case).

In no way a homophobe, but thems are the facts.

Oh dear, Mr. Pokeylope - it looks like you've spent too long at Thorney Towers Home For the Disturbed, otherwise you'd know there's a lot more to gender than just what the chromosomes say.


Me thinks she doth protest too much. It's okay Mr. Pokeylopegranted not everyone that wants to should go through transition but who am I to say. You can come out and get a boyfriend some of them are even fine with you shaving legs and such. It's you're life live it as you need too and let other live theirs as they need too.
 
2013-12-02 09:46:09 PM

Mr. Pokeylope: My cat can never be a dog, my sandwich will never be a tuba, and the mighty shark will never be a bowl of petunias.

We have a bunch of transgendered people at work , and I would never treat them like anything other than what they are putting them selves out there as. I would never call a transgendered guy "dude", and think it would be the height of rudeness to call an obviously trans-woman "ma'am".


You have the terms reversed there - a trans woman identifies as female and a trans man identifies as male, so you would call a trans woman "ma'am" or a trans man "sir." Unless you're deliberately misgendering them (which I hope you're not, as that would be very offensive to your colleagues).

I'm all for gender neutrality, but in the name of science I can't pretend that something is what it is not.

Live as what you want to and be happy... but there was never a pregnant dude.


You seem to have missed my central point about biological determinism - that your genetic makeup is not the sole determinant of every aspect of your being. There are socio-cultural inputs, intrinsic identifiers and not to mention differing neurology at birth. Gender is a lot more involved and complex than just boiling it down to the presence or absence of a single region on a single chromosome.

As for the comment about "pregnant dude," you may find this Venn diagram useful:
img.fark.net
 
2013-12-02 09:55:07 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Shedim: Mr. Pokeylope: It's a transsexual man (though there is totally nothing wrong with that), chromosomes don't lie.

It's like when a lady at my work kept talking about "that man that just got pregnant". It's not a man, it's a woman.

I'll call her Carl, or Bob or whatever... don't change the fact that she's a woman (or man in this case).

In no way a homophobe, but thems are the facts.

Oh dear, Mr. Pokeylope - it looks like you've spent too long at Thorney Towers Home For the Disturbed, otherwise you'd know there's a lot more to gender than just what the chromosomes say.

Me thinks she doth protest too much. It's okay Mr. Pokeylopegranted not everyone that wants to should go through transition but who am I to say. You can come out and get a boyfriend some of them are even fine with you shaving legs and such. It's you're life live it as you need too and let other live theirs as they need too.


I thought I did say "live your life as you need to" (well, I did in my second post at least)? I could run out and get a boyfriend, there would be nothing wrong with that. Why would there be? I respect everyone's right to live as what they want. It's all semantics as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-12-02 10:02:52 PM

Shedim: Mr. Pokeylope: My cat can never be a dog, my sandwich will never be a tuba, and the mighty shark will never be a bowl of petunias.

We have a bunch of transgendered people at work , and I would never treat them like anything other than what they are putting them selves out there as. I would never call a transgendered guy "dude", and think it would be the height of rudeness to call an obviously trans-woman "ma'am".

You have the terms reversed there - a trans woman identifies as female and a trans man identifies as male, so you would call a trans woman "ma'am" or a trans man "sir." Unless you're deliberately misgendering them (which I hope you're not, as that would be very offensive to your colleagues).

I'm all for gender neutrality, but in the name of science I can't pretend that something is what it is not.

Live as what you want to and be happy... but there was never a pregnant dude.

You seem to have missed my central point about biological determinism - that your genetic makeup is not the sole determinant of every aspect of your being. There are socio-cultural inputs, intrinsic identifiers and not to mention differing neurology at birth. Gender is a lot more involved and complex than just boiling it down to the presence or absence of a single region on a single chromosome.

As for the comment about "pregnant dude," you may find this Venn diagram useful:
[img.fark.net image 500x500]


No, you make a good and valid point. Completely. Your gender in your head is is different, and just as valid as your gender genetically.

Your opinion is definitely a kinder than mine. Sorry if I look at it in a different way, but it doesn't come from a position of hate.
 
2013-12-02 10:41:56 PM

Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: Shedim: Mr. Pokeylope: It's a transsexual man (though there is totally nothing wrong with that), chromosomes don't lie.

It's like when a lady at my work kept talking about "that man that just got pregnant". It's not a man, it's a woman.

I'll call her Carl, or Bob or whatever... don't change the fact that she's a woman (or man in this case).

In no way a homophobe, but thems are the facts.

Oh dear, Mr. Pokeylope - it looks like you've spent too long at Thorney Towers Home For the Disturbed, otherwise you'd know there's a lot more to gender than just what the chromosomes say.

Me thinks she doth protest too much. It's okay Mr. Pokeylopegranted not everyone that wants to should go through transition but who am I to say. You can come out and get a boyfriend some of them are even fine with you shaving legs and such. It's you're life live it as you need too and let other live theirs as they need too.

I thought I did say "live your life as you need to" (well, I did in my second post at least)? I could run out and get a boyfriend, there would be nothing wrong with that. Why would there be? I respect everyone's right to live as what they want. It's all semantics as far as I'm concerned.


Then whats the problem someone born male that transitions to female is a trans women. A women that transitions to man is a trans man. Not so difficult unless you're prejudice and so on. The first few years are rough for trans people that's when they're learning proper dress and body language, it's also the most dangerous time since they don't quit pass. Eventually the hormones help and if their not too old they can disappear into the background noise..

/Hopping not to face violence against them.Or the laws that are set up out there.
 
2013-12-02 10:50:45 PM
Sometimes chromosomes do lie.
 
2013-12-02 11:01:27 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: Shedim: Mr. Pokeylope: It's a transsexual man (though there is totally nothing wrong with that), chromosomes don't lie.

It's like when a lady at my work kept talking about "that man that just got pregnant". It's not a man, it's a woman.

I'll call her Carl, or Bob or whatever... don't change the fact that she's a woman (or man in this case).

In no way a homophobe, but thems are the facts.

Oh dear, Mr. Pokeylope - it looks like you've spent too long at Thorney Towers Home For the Disturbed, otherwise you'd know there's a lot more to gender than just what the chromosomes say.

Me thinks she doth protest too much. It's okay Mr. Pokeylopegranted not everyone that wants to should go through transition but who am I to say. You can come out and get a boyfriend some of them are even fine with you shaving legs and such. It's you're life live it as you need too and let other live theirs as they need too.

I thought I did say "live your life as you need to" (well, I did in my second post at least)? I could run out and get a boyfriend, there would be nothing wrong with that. Why would there be? I respect everyone's right to live as what they want. It's all semantics as far as I'm concerned.

Then whats the problem someone born male that transitions to female is a trans women. A women that transitions to man is a trans man. Not so difficult unless you're prejudice and so on. The first few years are rough for trans people that's when they're learning proper dress and body language, it's also the most dangerous time since they don't quit pass. Eventually the hormones help and if their not too old they can disappear into the background noise..

/Hopping not to face violence against them.Or the laws that are set up out there.


There you go calling me prejudiced. You know that when you throw words like that around, you do a real disservice to your cause. I love that while I completely support these people, and disagree with you on one small portion of the discussion (kind of like we agree with each other, but don't see eye to eye on the exact definition), you feel the need to call people names.

I can kind of understand why conservatives get sick of a lot of the liberal BS. As a pretty militant liberal, that makes me sad.

You are your own worst enemy. Congrats :)
 
2013-12-02 11:12:52 PM

Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: Shedim: Mr. Pokeylope: It's a transsexual man (though there is totally nothing wrong with that), chromosomes don't lie.

It's like when a lady at my work kept talking about "that man that just got pregnant". It's not a man, it's a woman.

I'll call her Carl, or Bob or whatever... don't change the fact that she's a woman (or man in this case).

In no way a homophobe, but thems are the facts.

Oh dear, Mr. Pokeylope - it looks like you've spent too long at Thorney Towers Home For the Disturbed, otherwise you'd know there's a lot more to gender than just what the chromosomes say.

Me thinks she doth protest too much. It's okay Mr. Pokeylopegranted not everyone that wants to should go through transition but who am I to say. You can come out and get a boyfriend some of them are even fine with you shaving legs and such. It's you're life live it as you need too and let other live theirs as they need too.

I thought I did say "live your life as you need to" (well, I did in my second post at least)? I could run out and get a boyfriend, there would be nothing wrong with that. Why would there be? I respect everyone's right to live as what they want. It's all semantics as far as I'm concerned.

Then whats the problem someone born male that transitions to female is a trans women. A women that transitions to man is a trans man. Not so difficult unless you're prejudice and so on. The first few years are rough for trans people that's when they're learning proper dress and body language, it's also the most dangerous time since they don't quit pass. Eventually the hormones help and if their not too old they can disappear into the background noise..

/Hopping not to face violence against them.Or the laws that are set up out there.

There you go calling me prejudiced. You know that when you throw words like that around, you do a real disservice to your cause. I love that while I completely support these people, and disagree with yo ...


What words did I through around and what cause did I do a disservice too? Please do tell : )
/This should be interesting.
 
2013-12-02 11:24:52 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: What words did I through around and what cause did I do a disservice too? Please do tell : )
/This should be interesting.


I'm not going to explain myself to someone who obviously fails at reading comprehension.

Also... when you wrote "through", did you mean threw? Because the correct word for that sentence would have been "throw".

I don't usually correct grammar or spelling, but you apparently fail on both counts.
 
2013-12-02 11:43:30 PM

Shedim: As for the comment about "pregnant dude," you may find this Venn diagram useful:


Shouldn't it be more like this?
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-02 11:44:49 PM

Mr. Pokeylope: Also... when you wrote "through", did you mean threw? Because the correct word for that sentence would have been "throw".


The word 'through' here identifies as 'throw' and you know it, no need to be a jerk.
 
2013-12-02 11:45:22 PM

Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: What words did I through around and what cause did I do a disservice too? Please do tell : )
/This should be interesting.

I'm not going to explain myself to someone who obviously fails at reading comprehension.

Also... when you wrote "through", did you mean threw? Because the correct word for that sentence would have been "throw".

I don't usually correct grammar or spelling, but you apparently fail on both counts.


Apparently you fail as a compassionate human, bite it bigot go spill your're prejudice elsewhere. I got your number and well it's pretty pathetic really.
 
2013-12-02 11:46:27 PM

Theaetetus: Shedim: As for the comment about "pregnant dude," you may find this Venn diagram useful:

Shouldn't it be more like this?
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x850]


Oh, pretty, I approve ; )
 
2013-12-02 11:46:33 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: What words did I through around and what cause did I do a disservice too? Please do tell : )
/This should be interesting.

I'm not going to explain myself to someone who obviously fails at reading comprehension.

Also... when you wrote "through", did you mean threw? Because the correct word for that sentence would have been "throw".

I don't usually correct grammar or spelling, but you apparently fail on both counts.

Apparently you fail as a compassionate human, bite it bigot go spill your're prejudice elsewhere. I got your number and well it's pretty pathetic really.


Call him up and ask if his refrigerator is running!
 
2013-12-02 11:55:40 PM

Fafai: tinfoil-hat maggie: Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: What words did I through around and what cause did I do a disservice too? Please do tell : )
/This should be interesting.

I'm not going to explain myself to someone who obviously fails at reading comprehension.

Also... when you wrote "through", did you mean threw? Because the correct word for that sentence would have been "throw".Iwas thinking Prince Albert in a can

I don't usually correct grammar or spelling, but you apparently fail on both counts.

Apparently you fail as a compassionate human, bite it bigot go spill your're prejudice elsewhere. I got your number and well it's pretty pathetic really.

Call him up and ask if his refrigerator is running!


I was thinking Prince Albert in a can but I'm bad at this sort of thing.
/Oh and I may have misjudged you, If so sorry.
 
2013-12-02 11:59:48 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Fafai: tinfoil-hat maggie: Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: What words did I through around and what cause did I do a disservice too? Please do tell : )
/This should be interesting.

I'm not going to explain myself to someone who obviously fails at reading comprehension.

Also... when you wrote "through", did you mean threw? Because the correct word for that sentence would have been "throw".Iwas thinking Prince Albert in a can

I don't usually correct grammar or spelling, but you apparently fail on both counts.

Apparently you fail as a compassionate human, bite it bigot go spill your're prejudice elsewhere. I got your number and well it's pretty pathetic really.

Call him up and ask if his refrigerator is running!

I was thinking Prince Albert in a can but I'm bad at this sort of thing.
/Oh and I may have misjudged you, If so sorry.


I'm a dick, but only on the outside.
 
2013-12-03 12:05:31 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: What words did I through around and what cause did I do a disservice too? Please do tell : )
/This should be interesting.

I'm not going to explain myself to someone who obviously fails at reading comprehension.

Also... when you wrote "through", did you mean threw? Because the correct word for that sentence would have been "throw".

I don't usually correct grammar or spelling, but you apparently fail on both counts.

Apparently you fail as a compassionate human, bite it bigot go spill your're prejudice elsewhere. I got your number and well it's pretty pathetic really.


Thanks for proving my point. And how exactly did you "get my number"?
 
2013-12-03 12:09:38 AM

Mr. Pokeylope: And how exactly did you "get my number"?


you can expect a hundred anchovy pizzas any minute now muahahaha
 
2013-12-03 12:12:38 AM

Fafai: tinfoil-hat maggie: Fafai: tinfoil-hat maggie: Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: What words did I through around and what cause did I do a disservice too? Please do tell : )
/This should be interesting.

I'm not going to explain myself to someone who obviously fails at reading comprehension.

Also... when you wrote "through", did you mean threw? Because the correct word for that sentence would have been "throw".Iwas thinking Prince Albert in a can

I don't usually correct grammar or spelling, but you apparently fail on both counts.

Apparently you fail as a compassionate human, bite it bigot go spill your're prejudice elsewhere. I got your number and well it's pretty pathetic really.

Call him up and ask if his refrigerator is running!

I was thinking Prince Albert in a can but I'm bad at this sort of thing.
/Oh and I may have misjudged you, If so sorry.

I'm a dick, but only on the outside.


It's all good.
 
2013-12-03 12:17:29 AM

Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: What words did I through around and what cause did I do a disservice too? Please do tell : )
/This should be interesting.

I'm not going to explain myself to someone who obviously fails at reading comprehension.

Also... when you wrote "through", did you mean threw? Because the correct word for that sentence would have been "throw".

I don't usually correct grammar or spelling, but you apparently fail on both counts.

Apparently you fail as a compassionate human, bite it bigot go spill your're prejudice elsewhere. I got your number and well it's pretty pathetic really.

Thanks for proving my point. And how exactly did you "get my number"?


LoL, there is more than one meaning bigot.No worries I wan't call you, LuLz.

Your point is that you are a hateful person, and may even be violent in the right circumstances.. Sad really.
 
2013-12-03 12:20:24 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: may even be violent in the right circumstances


Mr. Pokeylope beat me up and stole my clothes. All because I said I was only a dick on the outside. His transphobia knows no bounds.
 
2013-12-03 12:34:56 AM

Fafai: tinfoil-hat maggie: may even be violent in the right circumstances

Mr. Pokeylope beat me up and stole my clothes. All because I said I was only a dick on the outside. His transphobia knows no bounds.


I'll bet you never can tell with those types ; )
 
2013-12-03 12:46:21 AM

Mr. Pokeylope: No, you make a good and valid point. Completely. Your gender in your head is is different, and just as valid as your gender genetically.


Ultimately, the only "arbiter" of a particular person's gender identity is the person in question. If someone says they are male, then they should be treated as such no matter what their exterior appearance may suggest.

Your opinion is definitely a kinder than mine. Sorry if I look at it in a different way, but it doesn't come from a position of hate.

Then where does it come from?
 
2013-12-03 12:47:29 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: Mr. Pokeylope: tinfoil-hat maggie: What words did I through around and what cause did I do a disservice too? Please do tell : )
/This should be interesting.

I'm not going to explain myself to someone who obviously fails at reading comprehension.

Also... when you wrote "through", did you mean threw? Because the correct word for that sentence would have been "throw".

I don't usually correct grammar or spelling, but you apparently fail on both counts.

Apparently you fail as a compassionate human, bite it bigot go spill your're prejudice elsewhere. I got your number and well it's pretty pathetic really.

Thanks for proving my point. And how exactly did you "get my number"?

LoL, there is more than one meaning bigot.No worries I wan't call you, LuLz.

Your point is that you are a hateful person, and may even be violent in the right circumstances.. Sad really.


I (obviously) never said anything here that would label me as a bigot. You just look silly calling me undeserved names like that.

I'm just going to back out of the thread at this point and let you pat yourself on the back for being so gosh darn clever. I'm sure everyone is very impressed... you wordsmith you.
 
2013-12-03 01:37:08 AM

Mr. Pokeylope: I'm just going to back out of the thread at this point and let you pat yourself on the back for being so gosh darn clever. I'm sure everyone is very impressed... you wordsmith you.


No worries I'll just keep my opinion of you for now.
 
2013-12-03 04:37:40 AM

Mr. Pokeylope: I (obviously) never said anything here that would label me as a bigot. You just look silly calling me undeserved names like that.

I'm just going to back out of the thread at this point and let you pat yourself on the back for being so gosh darn clever. I'm sure everyone is very impressed... you wordsmith you.


You're a bigot. If that bothers you, instead of demanding others not label you appropriately it would be ...smarter...to go back and perhaps examine why your words and position are being viewed that way.

If it was one person saying it, sure...but it's not. If more than one person tells me my head is up my ass, even if I think I'm sure it's not...it's a good time to double check, because people with their heads firmly lodged up their ass rarely seem to realize it.

And your bowels sir, are quite impacted by that noggin.
 
2013-12-03 08:04:45 AM

Shedim: As for the comment about "pregnant dude," you may find this Venn diagram useful:


"I HAVE AN MS-PAINT VISUAL AID.  YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID."
 
2013-12-03 08:31:56 AM

Lady Indica: Mr. Pokeylope: I (obviously) never said anything here that would label me as a bigot. You just look silly calling me undeserved names like that.

I'm just going to back out of the thread at this point and let you pat yourself on the back for being so gosh darn clever. I'm sure everyone is very impressed... you wordsmith you.

You're a bigot. If that bothers you, instead of demanding others not label you appropriately it would be ...smarter...to go back and perhaps examine why your words and position are being viewed that way.

If it was one person saying it, sure...but it's not. If more than one person tells me my head is up my ass, even if I think I'm sure it's not...it's a good time to double check, because people with their heads firmly lodged up their ass rarely seem to realize it.

And your bowels sir, are quite impacted by that noggin.


And people are adding you to their ignore lists. I don't get it. Everyone, please at least listen to Lady Indica when she says something. It's probably very easy to dismiss her as being contrary to your political leanings I guess or whatever but take her words at their own value and judge them yourself. Just challenge yourself for one second. She's truly tolerant of all kinds. If you'd get over your butthurt reaction of feeling personally attacked, you'd see she's also tolerant of the bigot types she is trying to educate. She is nice to them. She gives them big knobs to slob on when they want it. It's glorious.
 
2013-12-03 08:39:44 AM

Fafai: Lady Indica: Mr. Pokeylope: I (obviously) never said anything here that would label me as a bigot. You just look silly calling me undeserved names like that.

I'm just going to back out of the thread at this point and let you pat yourself on the back for being so gosh darn clever. I'm sure everyone is very impressed... you wordsmith you.

You're a bigot. If that bothers you, instead of demanding others not label you appropriately it would be ...smarter...to go back and perhaps examine why your words and position are being viewed that way.

If it was one person saying it, sure...but it's not. If more than one person tells me my head is up my ass, even if I think I'm sure it's not...it's a good time to double check, because people with their heads firmly lodged up their ass rarely seem to realize it.

And your bowels sir, are quite impacted by that noggin.

And people are adding you to their ignore lists. I don't get it. Everyone, please at least listen to Lady Indica when she says something. It's probably very easy to dismiss her as being contrary to your political leanings I guess or whatever but take her words at their own value and judge them yourself. Just challenge yourself for one second. She's truly tolerant of all kinds. If you'd get over your butthurt reaction of feeling personally attacked, you'd see she's also tolerant of the bigot types she is trying to educate. She is nice to them. She gives them big knobs to slob on when they want it. It's glorious.


Earlier in the thread I posted a quite um graphic response due to the Boobies being a threat of violence towards transgendered folks and their allies. Not sure if it's still in the thread after the Boobies was nuked or not. But due to things like that I'm sure some of the ignoring is totally valid based on not wanting to read that sort of stuff rather than simply because I don't share their viewpoint.

I'm not for everyone. And that's okay.

/has a good heart & generally good intentions
//when I don't I'm as subtle as godzilla. I'm sayin' I'm direct son!
 
2013-12-03 10:50:08 AM

Lady Indica: Mr. Pokeylope: I (obviously) never said anything here that would label me as a bigot. You just look silly calling me undeserved names like that.

I'm just going to back out of the thread at this point and let you pat yourself on the back for being so gosh darn clever. I'm sure everyone is very impressed... you wordsmith you.

You're a bigot. If that bothers you, instead of demanding others not label you appropriately it would be ...smarter...to go back and perhaps examine why your words and position are being viewed that way.

If it was one person saying it, sure...but it's not. If more than one person tells me my head is up my ass, even if I think I'm sure it's not...it's a good time to double check, because people with their heads firmly lodged up their ass rarely seem to realize it.

And your bowels sir, are quite impacted by that noggin.


Yes... I've been "called out" by a couple of fark "intellectuals" and a troll.

I'm going to have to re-think my entire belief system now.

You people don't even know what a bigot is apparently.
 
2013-12-03 11:04:36 AM

Mr. Pokeylope: You people don't even know what a bigot is apparently.


Someone who's unwilling to tolerate someone else for being different, or who dehumanizes and insults someone because they're different even though this person has done nothing harmful to them.

Soooo, what has a transgendered person done to harm you in your life specifically? Have they done anything specifically to you to inconvenience you? does there existence damage your ability to live your life?

No, right? They just make you uncomfortable, and you don't like being around them, so you refer to transgendered people as "it", like a thing and not a person

Mr. Pokeylope: Your opinion is definitely a kinder than mine. Sorry if I look at it in a different way, but it doesn't come from a position of hate.


No, just indifference and callousness.

Mr. Pokeylope: I love that while I completely support these people, and disagree with you on one small portion of the discussion


Yeah, that's the thing though, you really don't. you're trying to have it both ways. It's like that white guy who keeps saying "I'm not racist cuz I have a black friend." You want to think of yourself as all open-minded and accepting and live-and-let-live, because you don't want to acknowledge that you're not really as open-minded and accepting as you'd like to believe.

Pick a side.
 
2013-12-03 12:01:57 PM

Lady Indica: I'm not for everyone.


You make me feel conflicted in many ways. I'm fascinated by your line of work and enjoy hearing your insightful/amusing anecdotes. I'd love to explore my submissive side with someone who really knows what they're doing. It sounds hot. It also sounds patronizing and insulting to men on some levels. Strange that I would feel insulted myself by what other people--your clientele, not you--choose to do. It's the whole sex for money thing (I know it's not technically sex but to these guys yeah it's sex unless you can honestly tell me they aren't hard as a rock during your encounters or don't furiously masturbate to the memories of it later on). When you give us these glimpses into your experiences I feel grateful for it, to be clear, but the idea makes me simultaneously jealous/curious and also sad/turned-off.

I was going to say something like we are sexual foils you and I but I realized I can't even begin to guess at your sexuality. These questions are rhetoric and I don't expect a response but is this who you are? How much of your own identity are you selling along with the fantasy? Does it differ from guy to guy? There's something at play here I can't seem to get over. It's not the money, I get that. Using money makes things easy for men. It makes things possible at all for others. Best case scenario it might even play into some of their humiliation fetishes.

I think its the lack of any meaningful connection between the players that I can't wrap my head around. When I was younger I had this fling with an older married woman. She was sexually dominant and did all kinds of crazy things to me. She had toys and things I'd never seen or heard of. I was a virgin when I first met her. I was also head over heels in love with her and it got very emotionally intense. Maybe that's why I can't fully accept BDSM as a transactionary service because for me the idea of it is so mixed up with feelings of deep intimacy. I realize how lucky I was to stumble into it (I wasn't looking) and to be honest I'd love to try a real professional Domme just to satiate my curiosity. I imagine that lack of a connection could make the experience more and less fulfilling all at the same time. The very idea confuses me.

Anyway thanks for every time you share and making me think and confront myself. I'm just sharing my personal feelings here and not espousing any particular way of life. There's absolutely no reason I should look down on other guys for what they want to do sexually, but inside my heart I do. You help me to see my own brand of intolerance there and I want to thank you for that. Keep up the great posting, you're one of the good ones.
 
2013-12-03 12:40:18 PM

sudo give me more cowbell: Mr. Pokeylope: You people don't even know what a bigot is apparently.

Someone who's unwilling to tolerate someone else for being different, or who dehumanizes and insults someone because they're different even though this person has done nothing harmful to them.

Soooo, what has a transgendered person done to harm you in your life specifically? Have they done anything specifically to you to inconvenience you? does there existence damage your ability to live your life?

No, right? They just make you uncomfortable, and you don't like being around them, so you refer to transgendered people as "it", like a thing and not a person

Mr. Pokeylope: Your opinion is definitely a kinder than mine. Sorry if I look at it in a different way, but it doesn't come from a position of hate.

No, just indifference and callousness.

Mr. Pokeylope: I love that while I completely support these people, and disagree with you on one small portion of the discussion

Yeah, that's the thing though, you really don't. you're trying to have it both ways. It's like that white guy who keeps saying "I'm not racist cuz I have a black friend." You want to think of yourself as all open-minded and accepting and live-and-let-live, because you don't want to acknowledge that you're not really as open-minded and accepting as you'd like to believe.

Pick a side.


I never referred to anyone as "it".
I never said anyone made me "uncomfortable".
How am I "not tolerating" anyone?

There is nothing in your statement that collates to anything that I actually said. You are just making up things to get offended about.

Genetics... I was talking about genetics... the narrative that you have constructed about me based on what I said is surreal to say the least.

I don't know if you people are willfully ignorant or just morons.
 
2013-12-03 01:01:36 PM

Mr. Pokeylope: the narrative that you have constructed about me based on what I said is surreal to say the least


Don't you just love the internet? It's too late for this thread, Mr. Pokeylope. The writing's on the wall. You should stop trying to appeal to reason altogether. The best thing you can do now is either do the apology song-and-dance or just sneak out the backdoor and try again in another thread. That's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Don't take it too hard.

/it's alright man, ive been there
 
2013-12-03 01:18:48 PM
Pick a side.


lol
 
2013-12-03 01:27:01 PM

doubled99: Pick a side.

lol


Ok that's kind of funny even though you're laughing at the supposed irony here when the truth of the matter is that transitioning is an act of most definitely picking a side, so really you got nothing. Funny on the surface though.
 
2013-12-03 01:43:03 PM

Fafai: Mr. Pokeylope: the narrative that you have constructed about me based on what I said is surreal to say the least

Don't you just love the internet? It's too late for this thread, Mr. Pokeylope. The writing's on the wall. You should stop trying to appeal to reason altogether. The best thing you can do now is either do the apology song-and-dance or just sneak out the backdoor and try again in another thread. That's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Don't take it too hard.

/it's alright man, ive been there


I'm just in kind of awe of the whole thing... It's like telling someone at a party that you don't like hip-hop, and then four people run over and start screaming about how you just said that you hate black people.
 
2013-12-03 01:55:17 PM

Mr. Pokeylope: Fafai: Mr. Pokeylope: the narrative that you have constructed about me based on what I said is surreal to say the least

Don't you just love the internet? It's too late for this thread, Mr. Pokeylope. The writing's on the wall. You should stop trying to appeal to reason altogether. The best thing you can do now is either do the apology song-and-dance or just sneak out the backdoor and try again in another thread. That's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Don't take it too hard.

/it's alright man, ive been there

I'm just in kind of awe of the whole thing... It's like telling someone at a party that you don't like hip-hop, and then four people run over and start screaming about how you just said that you hate black people.


Let me stop you there. I was including myself as well when I said to stop trying to appeal to people for reason. Everything I say is nonsense, you don't want me on your side. I flip-flop. I'm a loose cannon.

The best part was when maggie said you're a potential danger for assault! I wanna ride the thread again!
 
2013-12-03 02:08:39 PM

Mr. Pokeylope: I don't know if you people are willfully ignorant or just morons.


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WHAT DO YOU MEAN "YOU PEOPLE"?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-03 02:26:29 PM

sudo give me more cowbell: Pick a side.


NO.

I want to get rid of this "sides" crap altogether.
Last I saw we all bleed, hurt and die. It's about time we stopped picking sides or else the divide just stays forever.
 
2013-12-03 03:14:22 PM

Fafai: Mr. Pokeylope: Fafai: Mr. Pokeylope: the narrative that you have constructed about me based on what I said is surreal to say the least

Don't you just love the internet? It's too late for this thread, Mr. Pokeylope. The writing's on the wall. You should stop trying to appeal to reason altogether. The best thing you can do now is either do the apology song-and-dance or just sneak out the backdoor and try again in another thread. That's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Don't take it too hard.

/it's alright man, ive been there

I'm just in kind of awe of the whole thing... It's like telling someone at a party that you don't like hip-hop, and then four people run over and start screaming about how you just said that you hate black people.

Let me stop you there. I was including myself as well when I said to stop trying to appeal to people for reason. Everything I say is nonsense, you don't want me on your side. I flip-flop. I'm a loose cannon.

The best part was when maggie said you're a potential danger for assault! I wanna ride the thread again!


Trust me, I didn't think you were on my "side". You just seemed to be enjoying yourself. That's why I made the comment to you.

I could care less about appealing to anyone at this point.

You forget, I'm a monster.
 
2013-12-03 10:45:51 PM
You and me both, pal.

i.imgur.com
 
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