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(TMZ)   There may have been a malfunction in Paul Walker's DEATH CAR. That sounds like an awful movie title   (tmz.com) divider line 133
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2013-12-02 07:58:51 AM
Driver?
 
2013-12-02 08:04:34 AM
Sequel to Riding with Death?

/Damn dirty glasses
 
2013-12-02 08:08:58 AM

NeverDrunk23: Sequel to Riding with Death?

/Damn dirty glasses


What are you talking about, turkey?
 
2013-12-02 08:27:25 AM
Yes that steering fluid loss caused the car to accelerate to 150MPH
 
2013-12-02 08:33:48 AM

Majick Thise: Yes that steering fluid loss caused the car to accelerate to 150MPH


No, but the Carrera GT is known to be a little temperamental. It makes sense.

These were two guys who knew what they were doing, not just two jerk offs screwing around. You don't make as many high-profile car movies as Walker did without getting solid driver training, and you don't ride in a car like that unless you're damn sure the other guy isn't going to wreck it and leave you with the bill.

Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.
 
2013-12-02 08:39:42 AM
Interesting theory. I've wondered how this guy could have simply 'lost control' in a flat, straight stretch of road regardless of the speed.

Certainly, had he lost control at 35-50 mph the results would not have been catastrophic.
 
2013-12-02 08:56:16 AM
Joyride 2: Catching Fire

/candycane
 
2013-12-02 08:56:36 AM
Operator error.
 
2013-12-02 09:00:53 AM
Is there a vehicular equivalent to a PEBKAC error?
 
2013-12-02 09:09:45 AM
Lack of cup holders - resulting in a loss of control during the `Hold my beer & watch this' beverage transfer.
 
2013-12-02 09:10:30 AM
I thought it was an 0bama drone strike?
 
2013-12-02 09:16:30 AM
I heard the CIA hacked the car and it actually burst into flames before it hit the tree. Apparently Walker was working on a story that was going to uncover some really shady dealings at the highest level of our government.
 
2013-12-02 09:16:41 AM
Unless the Carrera GT lacks mechanical linkage between the wheel and the steering rack, I don't see how a loss of fluid disables the steering at speed.

It's only a 3000lb car... power steering hardly even seems necessary at low speeds, let alone at 100+ MPH.
 
2013-12-02 09:17:24 AM
Sup TMZ, STFU and let the police do their job.
 
2013-12-02 09:20:15 AM
Why even drive a Porsche if you are not going to push it. That's like buying Ice Cream just to look at.

As far as Paul Walker, I really liked the guy and he was a pretty decent actor. I am not heartbroken but I thought he was cool. The way that some of you people openly mock his death on the internet is pretty sick, even by Fark standards.

The fact that he was a celebrity isnt important, remember there is now a daughter without a father. A daughter who probably has to deal with the shiatty paparazzi and internet nobodies mocking her fathers death. That has to take a toll on her mental health.

RIP Fast dude! I liked 8 Below better.
 
2013-12-02 09:20:15 AM

whistleridge: Majick Thise: Yes that steering fluid loss caused the car to accelerate to 150MPH

No, but the Carrera GT is known to be a little temperamental. It makes sense.

These were two guys who knew what they were doing, not just two jerk offs screwing around. You don't make as many high-profile car movies as Walker did without getting solid driver training, and you don't ride in a car like that unless you're damn sure the other guy isn't going to wreck it and leave you with the bill.

Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.


You do realize that the shiat actors do in movies isn't real right?
 
2013-12-02 09:22:21 AM

ReapTheChaos: whistleridge: Majick Thise: Yes that steering fluid loss caused the car to accelerate to 150MPH

No, but the Carrera GT is known to be a little temperamental. It makes sense.

These were two guys who knew what they were doing, not just two jerk offs screwing around. You don't make as many high-profile car movies as Walker did without getting solid driver training, and you don't ride in a car like that unless you're damn sure the other guy isn't going to wreck it and leave you with the bill.

Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.


You do realize that the shiat actors do in movies isn't real right?

You think a guy who makes 7 movies about racing cars and has a huge bank account wouldn't take some driving lessons acting or not. Come on now, you sound like a retard. That statement was as dumb as your mom
 
2013-12-02 09:25:31 AM
"Roger was a world class driver" -- and while he might have been speeding (as cops have said) ... the notion he just lost control is preposterous."

Professional drivers lose control of their cars all the time, watch any racing event and odds are there will be at least one crash, the only difference is they're not stupid enough to drive like that in a stock vehicle on a city street.
 
2013-12-02 09:26:13 AM

mentallo69: You think a guy who makes 7 movies about racing cars and has a huge bank account wouldn't take some driving lessons acting or not. Come on now, you sound like a retard. That statement was as dumb as your mom


i heard after Matrix: Revolutions wrapped, Keanu went straight to Jet Li's house and kicked his farking ass.
 
2013-12-02 09:28:45 AM

mentallo69: ReapTheChaos: whistleridge: Majick Thise: Yes that steering fluid loss caused the car to accelerate to 150MPH

No, but the Carrera GT is known to be a little temperamental. It makes sense.

These were two guys who knew what they were doing, not just two jerk offs screwing around. You don't make as many high-profile car movies as Walker did without getting solid driver training, and you don't ride in a car like that unless you're damn sure the other guy isn't going to wreck it and leave you with the bill.

Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.

You do realize that the shiat actors do in movies isn't real right?

You think a guy who makes 7 movies about racing cars and has a huge bank account wouldn't take some driving lessons acting or not. Come on now, you sound like a retard. That statement was as dumb as your mom


My statement is dumb? You're the one saying that because someone pretended to do something in a movie, they must be good at it.
 
2013-12-02 09:30:05 AM
You mean besides speeding?
 
2013-12-02 09:33:00 AM

Mugato: NeverDrunk23: Sequel to Riding with Death?

/Damn dirty glasses

What are you talking about, turkey?


Don't know, but Abby is some gal.
 
2013-12-02 09:35:56 AM
My takeaway from this? If you are going to post your video online, strip the audio first so you don't sound like such a douchenozzle pussy...
 
2013-12-02 09:35:57 AM

whistleridge: Majick Thise: Yes that steering fluid loss caused the car to accelerate to 150MPH

No, but the Carrera GT is known to be a little temperamental. It makes sense.

These were two guys who knew what they were doing, not just two jerk offs screwing around. You don't make as many high-profile car movies as Walker did without getting solid driver training, and you don't ride in a car like that unless you're damn sure the other guy isn't going to wreck it and leave you with the bill.

Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.


150 mph on city streets = farking around

\period. full stop.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-02 09:37:13 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Unless the Carrera GT lacks mechanical linkage between the wheel and the steering rack, I don't see how a loss of fluid disables the steering at speed.

It's only a 3000lb car... power steering hardly even seems necessary at low speeds, let alone at 100+ MPH.


Came here to say exactly this.

Now if it burst into flame at speed, that could make more sense.   As the driver may have flipped out seeing flames shooting up in front of him.   Not sure what would have caused that though.
 
2013-12-02 09:41:27 AM

ReapTheChaos: whistleridge: Majick Thise: Yes that steering fluid loss caused the car to accelerate to 150MPH

No, but the Carrera GT is known to be a little temperamental. It makes sense.

These were two guys who knew what they were doing, not just two jerk offs screwing around. You don't make as many high-profile car movies as Walker did without getting solid driver training, and you don't ride in a car like that unless you're damn sure the other guy isn't going to wreck it and leave you with the bill.

Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.

You do realize that the shiat actors do in movies isn't real right?


At the very least, Paul was semi-pro. Wiki says he dabbled in the Redline Time Attack series, and people like Tanner Foust and Ralph Gilles had good things to say about his car handling skills.

The guy that actually was driving (because you'd think people would get this through their thick skulls by now), Roger Rodas, was a Pirelli World Challenge driver and the car's owner.

My two guesses at this point? Mechanical failure, or Rodas started to feel his oats for a bit, the car hit an imperfection in the road, and Mr. Murphy entered into a collaborative effort with Charles Darwin.
 
2013-12-02 09:41:46 AM
Isn't the fuel tank still in the front on the 911 series?  That would certainly explain fires toward the front of the vehicle, particularly since the tree seems to have obliterated the fuel tank.
 
2013-12-02 09:41:58 AM

ReapTheChaos: "Roger was a world class driver" -- and while he might have been speeding (as cops have said) ... the notion he just lost control is preposterous."

Professional drivers lose control of their cars all the time, watch any racing event and odds are there will be at least one crash, the only difference is they're not stupid enough to drive like that in a stock vehicle on a city street.


I point that out on my FB and I'm the bad guy.  You don't crumple a car that badly doing 10 over the posted speed. ( Which was coming up on 35.)   70mph or above, would cause that much damage.
 
2013-12-02 09:43:39 AM

ReapTheChaos: You do realize that the shiat actors do in movies isn't real right?


You do realize that the shiat actors do in movies often comes with a measure of actual, real-world training to make it look real, right? And that many actors involved in movies like his are interested in and active in racing, right?

Also, yes, sometimes the shiat actors do in movies is real. For example, the fat guy from Ronin who was the getaway driver actually did most of the driving involved in the S8 chases.

ReapTheChaos: ...a stock vehicle...


Uh huh.

I guess we can't say you're not technically correct....
 
2013-12-02 09:44:11 AM

whistleridge: Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.


Nobody has any business going over 100 MPH on city streets.  That's what tracks are for, and these guys could afford track rentals.
 
2013-12-02 09:44:15 AM

b-maz: ReapTheChaos: "Roger was a world class driver" -- and while he might have been speeding (as cops have said) ... the notion he just lost control is preposterous."

Professional drivers lose control of their cars all the time, watch any racing event and odds are there will be at least one crash, the only difference is they're not stupid enough to drive like that in a stock vehicle on a city street.

I point that out on my FB and I'm the bad guy.  You don't crumple a car that badly doing 10 over the posted speed. ( Which was coming up on 35.)   70mph or above, would cause that much damage.


Yeah, but how fast was the tree going?
 
2013-12-02 09:49:10 AM

ReapTheChaos: mentallo69: ReapTheChaos: whistleridge: Majick Thise: Yes that steering fluid loss caused the car to accelerate to 150MPH

No, but the Carrera GT is known to be a little temperamental. It makes sense.

These were two guys who knew what they were doing, not just two jerk offs screwing around. You don't make as many high-profile car movies as Walker did without getting solid driver training, and you don't ride in a car like that unless you're damn sure the other guy isn't going to wreck it and leave you with the bill.

Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.

You do realize that the shiat actors do in movies isn't real right?

You think a guy who makes 7 movies about racing cars and has a huge bank account wouldn't take some driving lessons acting or not. Come on now, you sound like a retard. That statement was as dumb as your mom

My statement is dumb?

You're the one saying that because someone pretended to do something in a movie, they must be good at it.

No, actually what I said was who rents a Porsche and doesnt push it a bit. I never said anything about him being good at it you moron. Besides he wasnt even driving.
 
2013-12-02 09:49:47 AM
For those people too stupid to read, or too inept to use Google:

1, Walker wasn't driving.
2. The guy who WAS driving was race car driver as well.
3. Walker was also actually a racer himself, so he DID make cars go "Vroom! Vroom!".
4. Not only was this not hard, but some of the shiat was right there in TFA.


An avid car enthusiast, he competed in the Redline Time Attack racing series in which he raced a M3 E92 and was on the AE Performance Team. His car was sponsored by Etnies, Brembo Brakes, Ohlins, Volk, OS Giken, Hankook, Gintani, and Reach Out Worldwide.[26] Walker had been preparing for an auto show prior to his death.[27]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Rodas#Death

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/who-roger-rodas-driver-pa ul -2873910
 
2013-12-02 09:56:02 AM

mentallo69: You think a guy who makes 7 movies about racing cars and has a huge bank account wouldn't take some driving lessons acting or not. Come on now, you sound like a retard. That statement was as dumb as your mom


Um, I haven't really been following this because I don't really care much about b-list actors, but wasn't he a passenger?  It'd take some pretty leet skillz indeed to steer a high-speed car from across the center console, if that's what you're proposing.
 
2013-12-02 09:58:08 AM

Mikey1969: For those people too stupid to read, or too inept to use Google:

1, Walker wasn't driving.
2. The guy who WAS driving was race car driver as well.
3. Walker was also actually a racer himself, so he DID make cars go "Vroom! Vroom!".
4. Not only was this not hard, but some of the shiat was right there in TFA.


An avid car enthusiast, he competed in the Redline Time Attack racing series in which he raced a M3 E92 and was on the AE Performance Team. His car was sponsored by Etnies, Brembo Brakes, Ohlins, Volk, OS Giken, Hankook, Gintani, and Reach Out Worldwide.[26] Walker had been preparing for an auto show prior to his death.[27]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Rodas#Death

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/who-roger-rodas-driver-pa ul -2873910


How does any of that make it reasonable for them to be going fast enough public roads to absolutely demolish the car in a 45 MPH zone?

This is what the car looked like.  And I'll repeat - a 45 MPH zone.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-02 09:58:53 AM

ReapTheChaos: whistleridge: Majick Thise: Yes that steering fluid loss caused the car to accelerate to 150MPH

No, but the Carrera GT is known to be a little temperamental. It makes sense.

These were two guys who knew what they were doing, not just two jerk offs screwing around. You don't make as many high-profile car movies as Walker did without getting solid driver training, and you don't ride in a car like that unless you're damn sure the other guy isn't going to wreck it and leave you with the bill.

Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.

You do realize that the shiat actors do in movies isn't real right?


the guy who was driving was an accomplished (winning) racer
 
2013-12-02 10:06:22 AM

Babwa Wawa: Mikey1969: For those people too stupid to read, or too inept to use Google:

1, Walker wasn't driving.
2. The guy who WAS driving was race car driver as well.
3. Walker was also actually a racer himself, so he DID make cars go "Vroom! Vroom!".
4. Not only was this not hard, but some of the shiat was right there in TFA.


An avid car enthusiast, he competed in the Redline Time Attack racing series in which he raced a M3 E92 and was on the AE Performance Team. His car was sponsored by Etnies, Brembo Brakes, Ohlins, Volk, OS Giken, Hankook, Gintani, and Reach Out Worldwide.[26] Walker had been preparing for an auto show prior to his death.[27]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Rodas#Death

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/who-roger-rodas-driver-pa ul -2873910

How does any of that make it reasonable for them to be going fast enough public roads to absolutely demolish the car in a 45 MPH zone?

This is what the car looked like.  And I'll repeat - a 45 MPH zone.

[i.imgur.com image 600x450]


In other words, you're either just barely joining this thread, haven't been paying attention anyway, or are just cherry picking so that you can argue with SOMEbody here...

So far I've heard that Paul Walker obviously doesn't know how to drive himself because he is in movies. I've also hear the guy blamed at the same time that people are admitting someone else is driving. I've also heard people trying to claim that there was no chance that it was a mechanical malfunction, because they were there apparently, and it's obviously inexperienced people behind the wheel.

As for speeding, I've tried that one before when in the car with someone who turned left in front of traffic, and someone who hit my girlfriend's car when she(My girlfriend) ran a stop sign. Cops don't give two squirts about speeding if they've got something else to nail someone for, it turns out.
 
2013-12-02 10:07:13 AM

ReapTheChaos: whistleridge: Majick Thise: Yes that steering fluid loss caused the car to accelerate to 150MPH

No, but the Carrera GT is known to be a little temperamental. It makes sense.

These were two guys who knew what they were doing, not just two jerk offs screwing around. You don't make as many high-profile car movies as Walker did without getting solid driver training, and you don't ride in a car like that unless you're damn sure the other guy isn't going to wreck it and leave you with the bill.

Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.

You do realize that the shiat actors do in movies isn't real right?


It's far simpler to just Google...

http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/12/01/the-sides-of-paul-walker-you-may-h av e-missed/

His passion for racing only grew as the high-octane franchise hit its box office stride. In 2010, he began competing semi-professionally in the Redline Time Attack series, driving a BMW M3 E92. He was also a part-owner of the performance shop...
 
2013-12-02 10:08:15 AM
Fascinating. This thread appears to operating under normal ITG rules, except that the subjects are arguing over the abilities of other people they do not know instead of themselves. Must observe further.
 
2013-12-02 10:11:24 AM

Mikey1969: In other words, you're either just barely joining this thread, haven't been paying attention anyway, or are just cherry picking so that you can argue with SOMEbody here...


My beef is with your list of "qualifications" that Paul Walker and Roger Rodas have as race car drivers, as if the fact that they knew what they were doing is relevant.  It's not - in fact, they should know to take this kind of stuff to the track.

Those guys took a supercar out for a joyride, and bisected it with a tree.  Yes, it's a shame, and yes, there's family left behind.

But I'll be damned if I'm going to bend over backwards trying to find a way to excuse their behavior.
 
2013-12-02 10:18:16 AM

Jim_Callahan: mentallo69: Y

ou think a guy who makes 7 movies about racing cars and has a huge bank account wouldn't take some driving lessons acting or not. Come on now, you sound like a retard. That statement was as dumb as your mom

Um, I haven't really been following this because I don't really care much about b-list actors, but wasn't he a passenger?  It'd take some pretty leet skillz indeed to steer a high-speed car from across the center console, if that's what you're proposing.


Yes, I know  he wasnt driving  but you didnt follow the quoted comments very well.  I was responding to someone else comment about "You do realize that the shiat actors do in movies isn't real right? "

I responded with the bolded above which is what you quoted. Find my quote where I said he was good at racing cars, or he was driving.

Does anyone farking read, or do people just skim and respond like an idiot. I even bolded the parts I was responding too
 
2013-12-02 10:18:40 AM

whistleridge: Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.


I'm gonna go ahead and stop you right there. If you're speeding, and you aren't driving an emergency vehicle or taking a woman in labor to the hospital or some similar medical emergency, you  are farking around*.

What a pointless death. Slow the fark down people.
 
2013-12-02 10:31:02 AM
 
2013-12-02 10:37:25 AM

whistleridge [TotalFark]
2013-12-02 08:33:48 AM


Majick Thise: Yes that steering fluid loss caused the car to accelerate to 150MPH

No, but the Carrera GT is known to be a little temperamental. It makes sense.

These were two guys who knew what they were doing, not just two jerk offs screwing around. You don't make as many high-profile car movies as Walker did without getting solid driver training, and you don't ride in a car like that unless you're damn sure the other guy isn't going to wreck it and leave you with the bill.

Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.

Yeah those figure 8 burn out marks up the street were certainly not caused by two self entitled assholes farking around in their sports-car.
 
2013-12-02 10:44:14 AM

ReapTheChaos: mentallo69: ReapTheChaos: whistleridge: Majick Thise: Yes that steering fluid loss caused the car to accelerate to 150MPH

No, but the Carrera GT is known to be a little temperamental. It makes sense.

These were two guys who knew what they were doing, not just two jerk offs screwing around. You don't make as many high-profile car movies as Walker did without getting solid driver training, and you don't ride in a car like that unless you're damn sure the other guy isn't going to wreck it and leave you with the bill.

Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.

You do realize that the shiat actors do in movies isn't real right?

You think a guy who makes 7 movies about racing cars and has a huge bank account wouldn't take some driving lessons acting or not. Come on now, you sound like a retard. That statement was as dumb as your mom

My statement is dumb? You're the one saying that because someone pretended to do something in a movie, they must be good at it.


You do realize that actors often get formal training for things they do in a movie, right? OP didn't say they were good at it; he said they weren't novices.
 
2013-12-02 10:52:04 AM

xalres: whistleridge: Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.

I'm gonna go ahead and stop you right there. If you're speeding, and you aren't driving an emergency vehicle or taking a woman in labor to the hospital or some similar medical emergency, you  are farking around*.

What a pointless death. Slow the fark down people.


News flash: no one on Earth pays $250,000 for a race-grade sports car to drive the speed limit.

In fact, a car like that has so much oomph it's actually difficult to do the speed limit. Because it gets there 4 times faster and with no perceptible effort, it throws off your timing and makes you feel like you're going too slow.

Not that I think that's what happened, but still.
 
2013-12-02 10:56:44 AM
img.fark.net

Well no wonder why he crashed! He was driving with a blanket covering over him.
 
2013-12-02 10:57:38 AM

CheapEngineer: whistleridge: Majick Thise: Yes that steering fluid loss caused the car to accelerate to 150MPH

No, but the Carrera GT is known to be a little temperamental. It makes sense.

These were two guys who knew what they were doing, not just two jerk offs screwing around. You don't make as many high-profile car movies as Walker did without getting solid driver training, and you don't ride in a car like that unless you're damn sure the other guy isn't going to wreck it and leave you with the bill.

Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.

150 mph on city streets = farking around

\period. full stop.


Rephrase.

Were they not paying attention, drunk, texting, blowing each other, etc? No. They were pushing that car to a limit they felt they could handle as drivers, and that the car was reputed to handle as well.

There are basically no skid marks. There's no obliterated dog or deer. It's not a dangerous curve, off camber, etc. That means the accident is either driver error, mechanical malfunction, or both. I'm saying the reported evidence indicates it started with the car, not the driver. But it's still the speed that killed them, and so the final fault will go on the driver.
 
2013-12-02 11:05:33 AM

whistleridge: Were they speeding? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But were they farking around? No way.


I think going ~150 MPH on public roads could be considered 'farking around' by any definition.
 
2013-12-02 11:09:31 AM
It doesn't matter how much training Paul Walker had driving.......because he was a passenger.
 
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