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2013-12-02 07:55:13 AM
Pfft, noob, instead of slamming the breaks and sliding into the crash she shoulda just driven around it.

/internet tough driver
 
2013-12-02 08:15:21 AM
Black ice began to cover the highway about 6:30 a.m., causing drivers to lose control

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2013-12-02 08:46:13 AM

Slaxl: Pfft, noob, instead of slamming the breaks and sliding into the crash she shoulda just driven around it.

/internet tough driver


Elevated highway. I'm sure a few people unintentionally tried to go around, but otherwise, no.
 
2013-12-02 09:14:38 AM
shiat happens. it was near freezing, raining and that two miles of interstate is all elevated.  that's the perfect storm for an icy road, but where the hell was the DOT on this?  it's not like they weren't aware of the weather or the particulars of that section of roadway.  furthermore they knew it was the "busiest travel weekend of the year". while i do think 99% of the population are absolute shiat drivers, the DOT dropped the ball on this one.

that said, just another reason why 290 through worcester is a shiat-show that the DOT fails to acknowledge.
 
2013-12-02 09:28:31 AM
Looks like that "Bond Snow Tire" package would have been useful now.
 
2013-12-02 09:28:54 AM
Don't you love cresting a hill at 33 mph in the left lane, jamming your brakes to warn the tailgater and seeing 65 cars in your rear view mirror slow way down.
 
2013-12-02 09:29:41 AM

doublesecretprobation: shiat happens. it was near freezing, raining and that two miles of interstate is all elevated.  that's the perfect storm for an icy road, but where the hell was the DOT on this?  it's not like they weren't aware of the weather or the particulars of that section of roadway.  furthermore they knew it was the "busiest travel weekend of the year". while i do think 99% of the population are absolute shiat drivers, the DOT dropped the ball on this one.

that said, just another reason why 290 through worcester is a shiat-show that the DOT fails to acknowledge.


Because Worcester.
 
2013-12-02 09:30:04 AM

Sybarite: Black ice began to cover the highway about 6:30 a.m., causing drivers to lose control

[img-w.zeebox.com image 640x640]


I love that sketch.
 
2013-12-02 09:31:52 AM
Dem Duke boys
 
2013-12-02 09:32:30 AM
You shouldn't be driving 70mph if conditions are cold enough to put ice on the road.
 
2013-12-02 09:32:32 AM
So the trooper was on the scene after the first crash and only tried "yelling" at another car to get them to stop? Then 60+ more cars crashed?

Were road flares out of the question?
 
2013-12-02 09:33:09 AM
If it's freezing rain, you're an idiot to drive 70.  So no, I don't hate that.
 
2013-12-02 09:34:33 AM
That's why I enjoy watching auto racing.  Where else can you see a 23-car collision and not be in the son of a biatch?


www.sherwoodoakscollege.com
 
2013-12-02 09:35:41 AM
Thirty to forty injuries some serious, but nobody killed? I guess car safety features really have improved.
 
2013-12-02 09:37:20 AM
www.betterfunner.com
 
2013-12-02 09:37:48 AM
Nope, because if video game physics has taught me anything it is in that case you should accelerate. Because if you can accelerate fast enough your mass multiplied by your velocity will be enough to plow right on through all 64 cars, sending them flying thousands of feet off into the distance allowing you to continue to your destination with only minor injuries.
 
2013-12-02 09:38:34 AM
I was in a 77 car crash on an icy bridge i-695 11/1993. That was insane. Yes 77 cars. They kept slamming. Felt like handfulls of glass were being chucked at my face repeatedly. It was gayer than gay porn.
 
2013-12-02 09:42:06 AM
Icy conditions caught everyone by surprise yesterday morning, for some reason.  Rt 2 was un-sanded at 9am yesterday, it was a fuster cluck.  I saw 3 accidents in two miles, and said 'screw this', turned around at the next exit, and crawled home.
 
2013-12-02 09:44:15 AM
Don't drive like Massholes.
 
2013-12-02 09:46:01 AM
Slaves2Darkness

Nope, because if video game physics has taught me anything it is in that case you should accelerate. Because if you can accelerate fast enough your mass multiplied by your velocity will be enough to plow right on through all 64 cars, sending them flying thousands of feet off into the distance allowing you to continue to your destination with only minor injuries.


That only happens if you modify the mass and center of gravity ini files.
 
2013-12-02 09:50:35 AM
Anyone notice the author's email address?  I bet the IT guys were thanking the higher powers the day this guy was hired.
 
2013-12-02 09:55:06 AM
Everyone, everywhere is a worse driver than me. Especially those people from 'not here.'
 
2013-12-02 09:55:55 AM
I wouldn't know the feeling since I don't drive 70 mph in the middle of NWS warnings about freezing rain....

But, then, I don't drive like I'm from Massachusetts so there's a lot of blatantly stupid things they do on the road that I can't relate to.
 
2013-12-02 09:56:24 AM
"When the crash ended is when enough cars had to back up over that rise for oncoming motorists to see that there was actually a collision..."

That's just... wow.
 
2013-12-02 09:56:33 AM

Equilibrist: Anyone notice the author's email address?  I bet the IT guys were thanking the higher powers the day this guy was hired.


http://www.larknews.com/archives/4030
 
2013-12-02 09:58:00 AM
Ha, nope, sounds like a up north people problem.
 
2013-12-02 10:00:29 AM
I was on I-84 in Connecticut yesterday around this time, and it was just about as bad. Not 64-car-pileup bad, but roads were nothing but pure ice. Must have seen 20 or so cars within the span of about a mile, mostly SUV's, flipped over or spun around. My gf and I ended up pulling over at the rest area near Tolland and waiting for about 90 minutes until DOT got the roads salted.

/guess this answers the "why is 290 closed?" question.
 
2013-12-02 10:04:29 AM

vudukungfu: Don't drive like Massholes.


Where's the 'smaaht' button??
 
2013-12-02 10:04:29 AM

doublesecretprobation: shiat happens. it was near freezing, raining and that two miles of interstate is all elevated.  that's the perfect storm for an icy road, but where the hell was the DOT on this?  it's not like they weren't aware of the weather or the particulars of that section of roadway.  furthermore they knew it was the "busiest travel weekend of the year". while i do think 99% of the population are absolute shiat drivers, the DOT dropped the ball on this one.

that said, just another reason why 290 through worcester is a shiat-show that the DOT fails to acknowledge.



First off, there's little that can be done once ice starts forming on a highway. The usual treatment is to spray a brine solution on the road before anything starts falling, but if it begins as rain then the brine washes off before it's effective. Salt doesn't work below a certain temperature, and if there's already ice on the road it's too late to spread salt anyway.

What's left? Well, they could install a deicing spray system on the entire elevated structure; NCDOT added one to a bridge of mine up in the WNC mountains on I-26 that has worked just fine for the last 9 years, but given the area in TFA they'd need a big farking tank of deicing solution to get through a winter.

Here's a thought; maybe people should just SLOW DOWN and anticipate icing conditions in situations like that? Oh no, that would mean taking responsibility for your own actions instead of looking for someone to blame!
 
2013-12-02 10:04:37 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: You shouldn't be driving 70mph if conditions are cold enough to put ice on the road.


reillan: If it's freezing rain, you're an idiot to drive 70.  So no, I don't hate that.


skozlaw: I wouldn't know the feeling since I don't drive 70 mph in the middle of NWS warnings about freezing rain....


i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-02 10:12:46 AM

MemeSlave: doublesecretprobation: shiat happens. it was near freezing, raining and that two miles of interstate is all elevated.  that's the perfect storm for an icy road, but where the hell was the DOT on this?  it's not like they weren't aware of the weather or the particulars of that section of roadway.  furthermore they knew it was the "busiest travel weekend of the year". while i do think 99% of the population are absolute shiat drivers, the DOT dropped the ball on this one.

that said, just another reason why 290 through worcester is a shiat-show that the DOT fails to acknowledge.

Because Worcester.


I live in Wisconsin and even I know about that section of road.
 
2013-12-02 10:17:25 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Nope, because if video game physics has taught me anything it is in that case you should accelerate. Because if you can accelerate fast enough your mass multiplied by your velocity will be enough to plow right on through all 64 cars, sending them flying thousands of feet off into the distance allowing you to continue to your destination with only minor injuries.


They haven't made a good Burnout game since the Playstation 2.
 
2013-12-02 10:17:47 AM
I've had this happen before in Massachusetts. If there's an accident on the other side of the hill, POST AN OFFICER BEFORE THE CREST, PUT UP SOME CONES< WHATEVER, so people slow down BEFORE they see it. Instead, they wait until people come over the hill business as usual, see the cop car, and hit the brakes on some icy decline. Posting one statey car at the top so people instinctually slow down before seeing a last second wreck in front of them would have saved at least 60 cars here. It's bad policing/procedure. That cop was on the 1st accident long enough to report the need for safety measures.
 
2013-12-02 10:21:44 AM
You should have bought a squirrel.
 
2013-12-02 10:22:24 AM
Trucker here (gotta update profile)

Yeah. Plowing this thing at 63 (the company maxes our speed out) in any hint of ice is a bad idea. That is why we remember the saying: "Ice is slick, slow it prick". Hell, if anything I would just find a spot and relax there since whatever I carry may not be worth the lives in the sedan I may plow into. This is my first winter and I still have lots to learn.
 
2013-12-02 10:28:03 AM
Local papers are usually ashamed of their state's name. It took 10 minutes to figure out where this took place in relation to the US or Canada.

Looks like the reporter sat in a nice warm restaurant and just interviewed all the road warriors who weren't really going anywhere. He'd be good in a hostage situation, too.
 
2013-12-02 10:35:00 AM
They broke my watch!
 
2013-12-02 10:35:21 AM
That's why I drive a vehicle with operational sanders.
 
2013-12-02 10:39:07 AM

Bendal: doublesecretprobation: shiat happens. it was near freezing, raining and that two miles of interstate is all elevated.  that's the perfect storm for an icy road, but where the hell was the DOT on this?  it's not like they weren't aware of the weather or the particulars of that section of roadway.  furthermore they knew it was the "busiest travel weekend of the year". while i do think 99% of the population are absolute shiat drivers, the DOT dropped the ball on this one.

that said, just another reason why 290 through worcester is a shiat-show that the DOT fails to acknowledge.


First off, there's little that can be done once ice starts forming on a highway. The usual treatment is to spray a brine solution on the road before anything starts falling, but if it begins as rain then the brine washes off before it's effective. Salt doesn't work below a certain temperature, and if there's already ice on the road it's too late to spread salt anyway.

What's left? Well, they could install a deicing spray system on the entire elevated structure; NCDOT added one to a bridge of mine up in the WNC mountains on I-26 that has worked just fine for the last 9 years, but given the area in TFA they'd need a big farking tank of deicing solution to get through a winter.


Sand.
 
2013-12-02 10:50:11 AM

doublesecretprobation: shiat happens. it was near freezing, raining and that two miles of interstate is all elevated.  that's the perfect storm for an icy road, but where the hell was the DOT on this?  it's not like they weren't aware of the weather or the particulars of that section of roadway.  furthermore they knew it was the "busiest travel weekend of the year". while i do think 99% of the population are absolute shiat drivers, the DOT dropped the ball on this one.

that said, just another reason why 290 through worcester is a shiat-show that the DOT fails to acknowledge.


What's so bad about 290? I know there are alot of accidents and the speed limit has been 50 since I was in grade school I think.

But is it too curvy? Too many exits/entrances? What is the underlying flaw that you'd expect th DOT to address?
 
2013-12-02 11:16:11 AM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: I've had this happen before in Massachusetts. If there's an accident on the other side of the hill, POST AN OFFICER BEFORE THE CREST, PUT UP SOME CONES< WHATEVER, so people slow down BEFORE they see it. Instead, they wait until people come over the hill business as usual, see the cop car, and hit the brakes on some icy decline. Posting one statey car at the top so people instinctually slow down before seeing a last second wreck in front of them would have saved at least 60 cars here. It's bad policing/procedure. That cop was on the 1st accident long enough to report the need for safety measures.


There's no indication of how much time elapsed from the first crash to the last one, but given that this is a very busy roadway, you might guess that the whole thing was over in 5 or 6 minutes. (10 cars a minute for 6 minutes?) So, by the time a cop (driving under the same conditions, mind you) got the the place you are suggesting, it probably would have been nearly over.
 
2013-12-02 11:22:38 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Nope, because if video game physics has taught me anything it is in that case you should accelerate. Because if you can accelerate fast enough your mass multiplied by your velocity will be enough to plow right on through all 64 cars, sending them flying thousands of feet off into the distance allowing you to continue to your destination with only minor injuries.


SOMEONE's played Burnout: Takedown.... ;)
 
2013-12-02 11:23:05 AM
CSB

That happened to me once in mid-summer: a miles-long traffic jam was hidden right behind the crest of a hill (78W in NJ near exit 24). Sailing up a hill at a good 70 or so mph and the first hint that anything was amiss was when the brakes of a big rig in front of me locked up and the cars to either side of it dove into the ditch. Still don't know how I avoided hitting anything, or getting hit by anything. Effing scary.
 
2013-12-02 11:25:28 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: What is the underlying flaw that you'd expect th DOT to address?


the I-190 merge is a total mess, five lanes down to three in what, a quarter mile?  190 should be reduced to one lane, then they can do away with the pointless disappearing lane after the lincoln sq exit.  if there was some effort to control the traffic rather than let it be a free-for-all maybe it wouldn't be total gridlock every goddamn day.
 
2013-12-02 11:38:29 AM

Cheron: Don't you love cresting a hill at 33 mph in the left lane, jamming your brakes to warn the tailgater and seeing 65 cars in your rear view mirror slow way down.


We have reason to believe one person shares this joy.  They are sitting at home all warm, safe, and telling all their friends how lucky they weren't part of it and that is what all those crazy drivers deserve.  They are thinking they taught one tailgater a lesson, a lesson to next time go ahead and put them in the wall.
 
2013-12-02 11:49:14 AM
My ancient old car tells me when conditions are such that ice can form on the road... do modern cars not do this?  Or maybe people ignore?
 
2013-12-02 11:50:20 AM
Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it.
 
2013-12-02 11:53:22 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: You shouldn't be driving 70mph if conditions are cold enough to put ice on the road.


Look, these people were in a hurry and couldn't be bothered to leave the house 5-10 minutes early so they could drive at a sane speed.  Just stay out of their way so they can get to their important meetings and such.
 
2013-12-02 11:56:55 AM
Why didn't the trooper set up flares with his lights ablaze before the top of the hill?
 
2013-12-02 11:59:44 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: You shouldn't be driving 70mph if conditions are cold enough to put ice on the road.


^this!

actually, here in north texas, and my home area of southwest arkansas, i fully expect an array of folks driving between 25 and 95 when there is a probability of ice on the roads. both extremes are, of course, very dangerous! last year on my drive back to my north texas home from my hometown in arkansas, there was a good bit of ice on roads (mainly bridges/elevated spots). thankfully i didn't witness any collisions, but i witnessed several hotshot speeding big pickup/suv drivers and bmw drivers swerve/lose control on icy bridges (i swear, NO OTHER TYPE OF VEHICLE exhibited this behavior!)

those damn yankees, however, are always berating us southerners for our inability to drive properly under conditions that happen at worst 5 to 10 days a year, yet this wreck occured in an area up north, on an elevated highway, where one would expect ice much of the year.

i blame the dot for lack of preparedness, but any safe driver can tell you to expect ice anyway, and SLOW DOWN!
 
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