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2013-12-02 09:53:00 AM
F the CFL.  It's like watching a AA baseball team and calling them professional.  Come on, an eight team league with two of them called the Roughriders?  Please.  F them right in the behind.
 
2013-12-02 09:58:12 AM

chrisco123: F the CFL.  It's like watching a AA baseball team and calling them professional.  Come on, an eight team league with two of them called the Roughriders?  Please.  F them right in the behind.


And when they break, you have to call in the hazmat team to deal with the mercury. Like hell that's "saving the environment"!
 
2013-12-02 10:01:38 AM
At least it's not as bad as the UFC.

Three women's fights on the main card in the last event.  To call it amateur hour would be a high compliment.
 
2013-12-02 10:02:13 AM

chrisco123: Come on, an eight team league with two of them called the Roughriders?


One of them went defunct in 1996, so there's only the Saskatchewan Roughriders now. Although both of those teams were named after The Greatest President of the United States -- Teddy "Animal Mother" Roosevelt.
 
2013-12-02 10:05:42 AM
Oh - why don't the integrate the NFL and the CFL and use the same method as baseball's interleague play (i.e. Designated hitter).     So use the CFL rules when playing in a CFL stadium.  Wouldn't you love to see 25 yard deep endzones for Peyton Manning?   Does the red zone start at the 5?  or at the 55?

/the additional upside is that Brown's fans may see a win somewhere in the great white north.
 
2013-12-02 10:07:01 AM

chrisco123: F the CFL.  It's like watching a AA baseball team and calling them professional.  Come on, an eight team league with two of them called the Roughriders?  Please.  F them right in the behind.


van1ty: At least it's not as bad as the UFC.

Three women's fights on the main card in the last event.  To call it amateur hour would be a high compliment.


Aaaaaand we're off.
 
2013-12-02 10:12:50 AM

Hofheim: Oh - why don't the integrate the NFL and the CFL and use the same method as baseball's interleague play (i.e. Designated hitter).     So use the CFL rules when playing in a CFL stadium.  Wouldn't you love to see 25 yard deep endzones for Peyton Manning?   Does the red zone start at the 5?  or at the 55?

/the additional upside is that Brown's fans may see a win somewhere in the great white north.


That would be amusing, but there are so many rule differences it'd be insane. Only 3 downs, multiple men in motion, a full yard of neutral zone (and the ball can't be placed inside the 1 yard line for that reason), red penalty flags, multiple kicks on the same play that ends with "failure to give yards".... whatever the fark a "rouge" is
 
2013-12-02 10:16:33 AM
Watched the Grey Cup a few weeks ago...way more entertaining than an NFL game. No constant commercial breaks and the game seemed to be a much faster pace.
 
2013-12-02 10:25:31 AM

Donnchadha: chrisco123: Come on, an eight team league with two of them called the Roughriders?

One of them went defunct in 1996, so there's only the Saskatchewan Roughriders now. Although both of those teams were named after The Greatest President of the United States -- Teddy "Animal Mother" Roosevelt.


The second team is coming back, as the Ottawa RedBlacks, because who the fark knows.  The old Rough Riders (two words, not one) were the Cubs of the CFL, having not won a title since 1976.
 
2013-12-02 10:28:20 AM
That doesn't surprise me.

There are a lot of Canadians that follow the NFL just as feverishly as our American friends to the south. In my experience, most Canadians who are hardcore football fans follow either the NFL or the CFL, not both. Obviously there's some that follow both, and more casual fans like myself follow both, but I wouldn't want an NFL team in Calgary.

Usually a conversation with a hardcore NFL fan in Canada goes like this.

"Who's your team?"
"The Packers"
"Oh cool, you follow the CFL?"
"No, not really".
 
2013-12-02 10:30:46 AM
Don't think of it as today's Bills.  Think of it as the potential to be like the Bills of yesteryear, with greats like OJ Simpson or Bruce Smith.  Think about taking that team with which the current ownership could do nothing and turning it into a giant middle finger.
/a well-managed organization could take most of the current Bills roster deep into the playoffs.
 
2013-12-02 10:36:39 AM
How about we sell Cleveland to Canada? If Cleveland went to Canada, Canada would have 2 MLB teams again.
 
sn0
2013-12-02 10:42:29 AM
You know I used to kind of like American football. Then I saw Rugby. Apparently a lot of Americans (And Canadians for that matter) dunno what they're missing.
 
2013-12-02 10:50:21 AM
They should move the CFL season earlier, and then field a CFL All Star Team in the NFL.
 
2013-12-02 10:51:24 AM
It's because they know that CJ Spiller will kill your hopes and dreams just like he did to one of my fantasy teams this season.
 
2013-12-02 10:52:04 AM
I'm counting on Curling to help me asleep
 
2013-12-02 10:52:24 AM
They don't want to attract a gang of overpaid thugs subsidized by taxpayers? That's crazy.
 
2013-12-02 10:52:58 AM

sn0: You know I used to kind of like American football. Then I saw Rugby. Apparently a lot of Americans (And Canadians for that matter) dunno what they're missing.


sevens is fun to watch, and they could cram in a season just during NFL halftimes
 
2013-12-02 10:56:12 AM

van1ty: At least it's not as bad as the UFC.

Three women's fights on the main card in the last event.  To call it amateur hour would be a high compliment.


Women's MMA, in general, sucks. If you took Ronda Rousey, turned her into a male with the same equivalent skills, she would probably not even be on the UFC roster (she isn't exactly well rounded).
 
2013-12-02 11:01:16 AM
Another prime example of how Buffalo has it worse than Cleveland sporting-wise.

When Cleveland lost the Browns, the NFL gave them back a team a few years later.

When Buffalo loses the Bills, is the NFL going to replace it with a new expansion franchise?  Hell no.
 
2013-12-02 11:04:56 AM
The CFL should try to market themselves overseas just like the NFL is doing. Since Canada is part of North America, and part of the British Commonwealth, they could pitch their style of the game as how the British Commonwealth does American Football. Most people around the world are probably not even aware that Canadian style, with a bigger field, 12 per side and only 3 downs even exists.
 
2013-12-02 11:05:14 AM

machoprogrammer: van1ty: At least it's not as bad as the UFC.

Three women's fights on the main card in the last event.  To call it amateur hour would be a high compliment.

Women's MMA, in general, sucks. If you took Ronda Rousey, turned her into a male with the same equivalent skills, she would probably not even be on the UFC roster (she isn't exactly well rounded).


Yes, a guy with shiatty striking, great takedowns and a near unstoppable submission game would suck.

Demian Maia thinks you're an idiot.
 
2013-12-02 11:09:44 AM
So 60% of respondents wanted an NFL team, and there's been absolutely no indication that moving the Bills to Toronto would endanger the CFL, which already stays out of the NFL's time slots because, I mean, it's the freaking CFL.  OH NO ONLY 21 MILLION FANS.  Clearly the team is much better off in Buffalo, population 250,000, economic powerhouse (it's still 1955 right?).

Toronto is the best-case scenario for Buffalo-based Bills fans.  For ten years or so the team could still play a couple of games in Orchard Park.  Your other option is Los Angeles.  Staying in Buffalo is obviously not happening long-term.
 
2013-12-02 11:17:00 AM

chrisco123: F the CFL.  It's like watching a AA baseball team and calling them professional.  Come on, an eight team league with two of them called the Roughriders?  Please.  F them right in the behind.


1995 wants its joke back.
1) next year the CFL goes back to being a 9 team league
2) there has only ever been one team called the Roughriders (Ottawa's was the Rough Riders).  Regardless the previous Ottawa team was the Renegades, the new one will be called the REDBLACKS.

I like both versions of North American Football.  However, for going to a game live, give me a CFL game any day.  Faster paced and less breaks for commercials.  As a country we have about 10% of the population that you American's do.  Obviously we can't bring the money to the table the NFL does.  However we have a game that is great for us.  When our season is over we revert to watching the NFL.

Right now it's a win win.  Giving a team to Toronto would just screw that up.  What with all 37,000 fans they were able to put in the 53,000 seat Rogers Center yesterday.  That just screams that Toronto needs a 70,000 seat stadium for an NFL team!
 
2013-12-02 11:17:20 AM
Why has the CFL never been in Madden? That would be super fun, especially if you could play NFL teams in Canada mode
 
2013-12-02 11:17:39 AM

Another Pretentious Nickname: Clearly the team is much better off in Buffalo, population 250,000, economic powerhouse (it's still 1955 right?).


It's pretty disingenuous to cite the population living within the city limits itself as if it meant anything, considering the most of the population in the area (and the Bills fanbase) lives in the suburbs.

For the record, the Buffalo-Niagara Falls metropolitan area has a population of greater than 1.1 million.  40 minutes to the East you have Rochester (where the Bills hold their training camp and very much a part of their home market) with a metro population of another 1 million.

Overall, the counties of western NY have a population of roughly 2.5 million.

Buffalo is a small market, that's true.  But it's not as small as you make it sound.
 
2013-12-02 11:21:59 AM

Representative of the unwashed masses: chrisco123: F the CFL.  It's like watching a AA baseball team and calling them professional.  Come on, an eight team league with two of them called the Roughriders?  Please.  F them right in the behind.

1995 wants its joke back.
1) next year the CFL goes back to being a 9 team league
2) there has only ever been one team called the Roughriders (Ottawa's was the Rough Riders).  Regardless the previous Ottawa team was the Renegades, the new one will be called the REDBLACKS.

I like both versions of North American Football.  However, for going to a game live, give me a CFL game any day.  Faster paced and less breaks for commercials.  As a country we have about 10% of the population that you American's do.  Obviously we can't bring the money to the table the NFL does.  However we have a game that is great for us.  When our season is over we revert to watching the NFL.

Right now it's a win win.  Giving a team to Toronto would just screw that up.  What with all 37,000 fans they were able to put in the 53,000 seat Rogers Center yesterday.  That just screams that Toronto needs a 70,000 seat stadium for an NFL team!


If the Raptors didn't exist do you think a Bobcats-Suns game would sell out the ACC?  You can't base expectations for how Toronto would support its own team in a good stadium on how many people show up at a neutral game in a mediocre stadium.
 
2013-12-02 11:22:04 AM

ElwoodCuse: Why has the CFL never been in Madden? That would be super fun, especially if you could play NFL teams in Canada mode


I wish they would, after all they put all kinds of international leagues in the NHL games, complete with international ice.

/Go Riders
 
2013-12-02 11:25:17 AM

ElwoodCuse: Why has the CFL never been in Madden? That would be super fun, especially if you could play NFL teams in Canada mode


Years and years ago, Madden 2004 or maybe 2005, I don't remember, buy anyway, way back then my friend's brother painstakingly created all 8 CFL teams and their rosters in Madden.

It was f*cking awesome.
 
2013-12-02 11:27:40 AM

Another Pretentious Nickname: Representative of the unwashed masses: chrisco123: F the CFL.  It's like watching a AA baseball team and calling them professional.  Come on, an eight team league with two of them called the Roughriders?  Please.  F them right in the behind.

1995 wants its joke back.
1) next year the CFL goes back to being a 9 team league
2) there has only ever been one team called the Roughriders (Ottawa's was the Rough Riders).  Regardless the previous Ottawa team was the Renegades, the new one will be called the REDBLACKS.

I like both versions of North American Football.  However, for going to a game live, give me a CFL game any day.  Faster paced and less breaks for commercials.  As a country we have about 10% of the population that you American's do.  Obviously we can't bring the money to the table the NFL does.  However we have a game that is great for us.  When our season is over we revert to watching the NFL.

Right now it's a win win.  Giving a team to Toronto would just screw that up.  What with all 37,000 fans they were able to put in the 53,000 seat Rogers Center yesterday.  That just screams that Toronto needs a 70,000 seat stadium for an NFL team!

If the Raptors didn't exist do you think a Bobcats-Suns game would sell out the ACC?  You can't base expectations for how Toronto would support its own team in a good stadium on how many people show up at a neutral game in a mediocre stadium.


ok how about the very affordable option for pro football you have now in Toronto?  Granted Skydome is a horrible football venue, but the lack of support for the Argos in that city is appalling.  At a price point which is way below what you would be paying for an NFL ticket there is no good reason you can't come up with 30k plus for a game.  At the end of the day Toronto is a Leaf's city and not a sports city.

And that is why London and two teams in LA are on the list ahead of Toronto at the minimum!
 
2013-12-02 11:29:53 AM
Is the NFL in London really going to succeed?

Obviously there are a lot of American ex-pats in London, but you know what else London has a lot of? Soccer teams.
 
2013-12-02 11:33:02 AM

sn0: You know I used to kind of like American football. Then I saw Rugby. Apparently a lot of Americans (And Canadians for that matter) dunno what they're missing.


I'm not against rugby - it's fun to watch - but from what I have seen of it, it just doesn't have the strategic depth of American football. Plus the athletes, while tough, are just worse pure athletes all around.

I would love to see Marshawn Lynch playing Rugby League or something like that, however. Man.
 
2013-12-02 11:34:04 AM

Another Pretentious Nickname: Representative of the unwashed masses: chrisco123: F the CFL.  It's like watching a AA baseball team and calling them professional.  Come on, an eight team league with two of them called the Roughriders?  Please.  F them right in the behind.

1995 wants its joke back.
1) next year the CFL goes back to being a 9 team league
2) there has only ever been one team called the Roughriders (Ottawa's was the Rough Riders).  Regardless the previous Ottawa team was the Renegades, the new one will be called the REDBLACKS.

I like both versions of North American Football.  However, for going to a game live, give me a CFL game any day.  Faster paced and less breaks for commercials.  As a country we have about 10% of the population that you American's do.  Obviously we can't bring the money to the table the NFL does.  However we have a game that is great for us.  When our season is over we revert to watching the NFL.

Right now it's a win win.  Giving a team to Toronto would just screw that up.  What with all 37,000 fans they were able to put in the 53,000 seat Rogers Center yesterday.  That just screams that Toronto needs a 70,000 seat stadium for an NFL team!

If the Raptors didn't exist do you think a Bobcats-Suns game would sell out the ACC?  You can't base expectations for how Toronto would support its own team in a good stadium on how many people show up at a neutral game in a mediocre stadium.


That is pretty disengenous. A big part of Buffalo's fanbase is in Southern Ontario. It isn't some team from a thousand miles away, it is the local team.

That said, your point is true, there would likely be more support for an actually local team. And maybe if the games had any relevence.
 
2013-12-02 11:37:11 AM

Rev.K: Is the NFL in London really going to succeed?

Obviously there are a lot of American ex-pats in London, but you know what else London has a lot of? Soccer teams.


I can see it doing well for the couple-times-a-year exhibitions.  A home team, though, would fail.  Honestly, if you're expanding outside the US, Mexico City seems to be the most logical choice.
 
2013-12-02 11:41:10 AM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Another Pretentious Nickname: Representative of the unwashed masses: chrisco123: F the CFL.  It's like watching a AA baseball team and calling them professional.  Come on, an eight team league with two of them called the Roughriders?  Please.  F them right in the behind.

1995 wants its joke back.
1) next year the CFL goes back to being a 9 team league
2) there has only ever been one team called the Roughriders (Ottawa's was the Rough Riders).  Regardless the previous Ottawa team was the Renegades, the new one will be called the REDBLACKS.

I like both versions of North American Football.  However, for going to a game live, give me a CFL game any day.  Faster paced and less breaks for commercials.  As a country we have about 10% of the population that you American's do.  Obviously we can't bring the money to the table the NFL does.  However we have a game that is great for us.  When our season is over we revert to watching the NFL.

Right now it's a win win.  Giving a team to Toronto would just screw that up.  What with all 37,000 fans they were able to put in the 53,000 seat Rogers Center yesterday.  That just screams that Toronto needs a 70,000 seat stadium for an NFL team!

If the Raptors didn't exist do you think a Bobcats-Suns game would sell out the ACC?  You can't base expectations for how Toronto would support its own team in a good stadium on how many people show up at a neutral game in a mediocre stadium.

ok how about the very affordable option for pro football you have now in Toronto?  Granted Skydome is a horrible football venue, but the lack of support for the Argos in that city is appalling.  At a price point which is way below what you would be paying for an NFL ticket there is no good reason you can't come up with 30k plus for a game.  At the end of the day Toronto is a Leaf's city and not a sports city.

And that is why London and two teams in LA are on the list ahead of Toronto at the minimum!



It doesn't help that Toronto's sports teams are just god awful.  TFC at least used to have the best support in MLS but 6 years of utter crap on the field hasn't helped.  The fact that they still draw as well as they do is a nice compliment to their fans.

The main problem with NFL expansion to Canada is that Canada currently has ONE stadium that would qualify as a quality venue for NFL football: the post-renovation BC Place, and I've never heard anyone suggest them as an expansion or relocation venue.  Olympic Stadium is falling apart, and Rogers Centre isn't exactly a great venue for football.  The rest of the teams play in venues that resemble non-BCS college stadiums. Frank Clair stadium is being reconstructed because one set of bleachers was actually condemned.
 
2013-12-02 11:44:09 AM

van1ty: machoprogrammer: van1ty: At least it's not as bad as the UFC.

Three women's fights on the main card in the last event.  To call it amateur hour would be a high compliment.

Women's MMA, in general, sucks. If you took Ronda Rousey, turned her into a male with the same equivalent skills, she would probably not even be on the UFC roster (she isn't exactly well rounded).

Yes, a guy with shiatty striking, great takedowns and a near unstoppable submission game would suck.

Demian Maia thinks you're an idiot.


Maia also has more than 1 kind of submission.
 
2013-12-02 11:50:31 AM
if the bills ended up in toronto, it would probably end up like the raptors situation; a whole lot of players who avoid the team due to taxes.
 
2013-12-02 11:54:01 AM

Nana's Vibrator: Don't think of it as today's Bills.  Think of it as the potential to be like the Bills of yesteryear, with greats like OJ Simpson or Bruce Smith.  Think about taking that team with which the current ownership could do nothing and turning it into a giant middle finger.
/a well-managed organization could take most of the current Bills roster deep into the playoffs.


This.  And besides, I was already out packing up their U-Haul for them.
 
2013-12-02 11:56:44 AM
CFL season:  July -> November
NFL season:  September -> January
NHL season:  October -> June

Canadian sport fans who don't embrace the CFL are missing out.  Yes, it's a minor league, but it is fun entertaining professional football.  Watching games live in the summertime is awesome.   And the only dead month sporting-wise for me is June.  Once Lord Stanley's Cup has been awarded, CFL training camps are about to start.

I do wish they would only play 16 games, and start the season a week earlier, though.  November football in a snowstorm is a sucky way of ending the season.  Play the Grey Cup in late October, or the first Sunday in November at the latest.
 
2013-12-02 11:57:31 AM

Longtime Lurker: The main problem with NFL expansion to Canada is that Canada currently has ONE stadium that would qualify as a quality venue for NFL football: the post-renovation BC Place, and I've never heard anyone suggest them as an expansion or relocation venue.  Olympic Stadium is falling apart, and Rogers Centre isn't exactly a great venue for football.  The rest of the teams play in venues that resemble non-BCS college stadiums. Frank Clair stadium is being reconstructed because one set of bleachers was actually condemned


I don't even think BC place would work, not because it's a poor venue, but the seating capacity is too low (about 50k).  And much of the money the NFL gets is based on TV rights.  They aren't going to get more out of the American networks because you have games in Toronto or Vancouver, and I can't see Canadian networks shelling out big money either.
 
2013-12-02 12:14:16 PM
I think most Ontarians would like to see two more NHL teams in Southern Ontario than an NFL team.

/One in Hamilton/Niagara and one north of Toronto would do nicely
 
2013-12-02 12:15:59 PM

Mercutio74: I think most Ontarians would like to see two more NHL teams in Southern Ontario than an NFL team.

/One in Hamilton/Niagara and one north of Toronto would do nicely


Will never happen.  It's far too close to sabres territory for the league to put a team there.
 
2013-12-02 12:17:54 PM

Warlordtrooper: Will never happen. It's far too close to sabres territory for the league to put a team there.


I agree with that assessment, plus the Leafs would likely be uninterested in such close proximity to two other teams.  But I guarantee you that both teams would fill a building every night and not be one of these just struggling to get by affairs that drag the league down.
 
2013-12-02 12:22:43 PM

Mercutio74: Warlordtrooper: Will never happen. It's far too close to sabres territory for the league to put a team there.

I agree with that assessment, plus the Leafs would likely be uninterested in such close proximity to two other teams.  But I guarantee you that both teams would fill a building every night and not be one of these just struggling to get by affairs that drag the league down.


A 2nd team in or around Toronto could happen.

But there will never be one in the Niagara Peninsula (from Hamilton south and eastward).
 
2013-12-02 12:25:48 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Longtime Lurker: The main problem with NFL expansion to Canada is that Canada currently has ONE stadium that would qualify as a quality venue for NFL football: the post-renovation BC Place, and I've never heard anyone suggest them as an expansion or relocation venue.  Olympic Stadium is falling apart, and Rogers Centre isn't exactly a great venue for football.  The rest of the teams play in venues that resemble non-BCS college stadiums. Frank Clair stadium is being reconstructed because one set of bleachers was actually condemned

I don't even think BC place would work, not because it's a poor venue, but the seating capacity is too low (about 50k).  And much of the money the NFL gets is based on TV rights.  They aren't going to get more out of the American networks because you have games in Toronto or Vancouver, and I can't see Canadian networks shelling out big money either.


Vancouver isn't really an option to begin with.

You already have the Seahawks as a local team and the CFL is stronger out west. And just a smaller market.

Toronto is the only real option, and that primarily if Buffalo moves there. You already have a built in fan base for the team and you can probably compete better against the Argos than Western teams. You can also maintain much of the upstate New York fanbase and will be able to draw significant numbers across the border, as the Bills already do in the other direction. Basically, you maintain the same geographic and media market.

I am not saying it would be successful, especially if they can't put a good team on the field shortly after the move, and you would need a new stadium. But it is the only real option in Canada.
 
2013-12-02 12:29:46 PM

Doc Daneeka: A 2nd team in or around Toronto could happen.


I'm of the opinion that if there wasn't artificial pressure blocking it (Buffalo, the Leafs and the league) it would have already happened 10 years ago.  The Leafs can sell out when they can barely field a professional-looking team.  The fan base is here to support at least 2 more teams.
 
2013-12-02 12:30:04 PM
the CFL has much better pacing, i could see the CFL as a product being more accessible world wide than the NFL... especially in person the NFL can be soul-sucking if there are a lot of commercial breaks
 
2013-12-02 12:45:13 PM

Mercutio74: Doc Daneeka: A 2nd team in or around Toronto could happen.

I'm of the opinion that if there wasn't artificial pressure blocking it (Buffalo, the Leafs and the league) it would have already happened 10 years ago.  The Leafs can sell out when they can barely field a professional-looking team.  The fan base is here to support at least 2 more teams.


I always wondered about that. the NYC metro area has 3 teams. TO can definitely support 2.
 
2013-12-02 12:45:20 PM

Mercutio74: Doc Daneeka: A 2nd team in or around Toronto could happen.

I'm of the opinion that if there wasn't artificial pressure blocking it (Buffalo, the Leafs and the league) it would have already happened 10 years ago.  The Leafs can sell out when they can barely field a professional-looking team.  The fan base is here to support at least 2 more teams.


There is one other problem, the NHL has been on a quest for the big U.S. TV contract. For that, a second team in Toronto is just a drain on the talent pool.

It would contribute to gate reciepts and mechandising revenues, but not to media revenues. And that is what the NHL wants it's future to be.

Add in Toronto's opposition (which I do think is silly, a new team won't supplant the Leafs and would provide an instant rivalry) and the Sabres (which makes more sense as I suspect they get a fair number of Canadians crossing the border and a good amount of fans for who$ they are the closest "not the Leafs" team).
 
2013-12-02 12:48:41 PM

WhiskeySticks: Watched the Grey Cup a few weeks ago...way more entertaining than an NFL game. No constant commercial breaks and the game seemed to be a much faster pace.


That may be true, but you'll never remember what month is Truck Month without commercial breaks repeating this fact every 3 minutes.
 
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