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(Economist)   The Economist asks, "Why not smoke crack?"   (economist.com) divider line 97
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2013-12-02 08:38:22 AM
1. Because it smells like ass
2. It is NOT worth the headache
3. Quality control is a real issue
 
2013-12-02 08:46:19 AM
FFS  Conrad Black was basically giving Ford a pass on the crack too in an editorial in the National Post, and down at the bottom, the poll they refer to, it's Forum Research.  They only call land-lines and their polls tend to skew 50+ as a result. (this particular poll was 54% over 55,  while that age group represents a little less than a third of Toronto's voting age population)  AND the 42% support, was of those that HAD BEEN SUPPORTERS already.  It's also worth noting that poll's results were exclusively for the Toronto Sun.  The Toronto Sun is the daily read of the members of Ford Nation that can read.

Do we need to re-think some of the legalities of all drugs, (It's not hard to get prescription drugs that can mess you up as much or more) yea, probably.
I think it's funny the Mountie that had been prescribed pot, can't smoke it at work, and pretty much everyone is in agreement (he's a desk jockey btw) meanwhile Mayor McCrackhead gets a pass...
That's farked up.
 
2013-12-02 09:19:00 AM
Because people don't suck dick for weed.
 
2013-12-02 09:20:46 AM
Legalize it.

And how bad is your city when the best you can do for a mayor is a known crackhead?

I'm looking at you too, Washington DC
 
2013-12-02 09:20:56 AM
One way of judging a drug's harmfulness might be to see how it is treated in the courts.

www.reactionface.info
 
2013-12-02 09:21:07 AM
Why not smoke crack?

Weed is better, and won't drive you insane. It may make you a good for nothing lazy bastard though, so imbibe responsibly, like with any intoxicant.

If you need to get stoned before doing anything, and cant enjoy anything without being stoned. You're just as bad as an alcoholic (though less likely to kill someone, because you end up stuck in a couch, instead of driving drunk).
 
2013-12-02 09:25:01 AM
An alcoholic is a bit more likely than a crack-smoker to die,

Really?  Because I used to live near some abandoned houses where crack smokers squatted, and few things were scarier than driving by there and having the crack heads dart into the street in front of my car.  It would get worse through the night such that if I were to cruise home at 4am, that is when they seemed the most "active" - like deer at twilight.

Those guys couldn't have had good life expectancies.
 
2013-12-02 09:25:06 AM
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S-s-so I sez to my d-doctor & PR team `Who do you think you are? The Economist?'.
Pass that b-b-bong.
 
2013-12-02 09:26:06 AM
We're seriously having this discussion because an idiot crack-smoking mayor has flaunted traditional mores and appears, at least on the surface, to be somewhat functional?

Despite his recorded outbursts and violent behavior?

Seriously?

/facepalm.jpg
 
2013-12-02 09:26:59 AM

fluffy2097: Why not smoke crack?

Weed is better, and won't drive you insane. It may make you a good for nothing lazy bastard though, so imbibe responsibly, like with any intoxicant.

If you need to get stoned before doing anything, and cant enjoy anything without being stoned. You're just as bad as an alcoholic (though less likely to kill someone, because you end up stuck in a couch, instead of driving drunk).


That. I have, um, a friend that smokes pretty regularly and when this friend hasn't smoked for a few days it's pretty amazing how his house gets cleaned, errands get done, etc., compared to when he does smoke.

And this. Said friend cannot imagine how people function while in that state, and doesn't put himself in situations where he has to function at a high (no pun) level after smoking.
 
2013-12-02 09:28:40 AM
One way of judging a drug's harmfulness might be to see how it is treated in the courts.


The courts?  Where the hippie lettuce is treated on the same level as cocaine and heroin?  Brilliant logic there.
 
2013-12-02 09:29:36 AM
If people can take hard drugs and still go on running a national bank or Canada's biggest city, how dangerous hard can such substances jobs be?
 
2013-12-02 09:29:55 AM
Christ on a stick. When it is the poor and minorities smoking crack it is the worst thing in the world and the users are the devils spawn that need to be locked away for life. When it is rich white men it all of a sudden becomes "How bad is crack?" and suddenly it is no worse than alcohol.
 
2013-12-02 09:31:35 AM

ongbok: Christ on a stick. When it is the poor and minorities smoking crack it is the worst thing in the world and the users are the devils spawn that need to be locked away for life. When it is rich white men it all of a sudden becomes "How bad is crack?" and suddenly it is no worse than alcohol.


Exactly my thought.
 
2013-12-02 09:31:38 AM
 
2013-12-02 09:31:53 AM
Or to sum up, 'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'?

Go home Economist, you're drunk.

/and on crack
 
2013-12-02 09:33:00 AM

imashark: We're seriously having this discussion because an idiot crack-smoking mayor has flaunted traditional mores and appears, at least on the surface, to be somewhat functional?

Despite his recorded outbursts and violent behavior?

Seriously?

/facepalm.jpg


To be fair, it's difficult to tell if it's the alcoholism or his other drug use that causes this kind of behaviour.
 
2013-12-02 09:33:00 AM

Diogenes: ongbok: Christ on a stick. When it is the poor and minorities smoking crack it is the worst thing in the world and the users are the devils spawn that need to be locked away for life. When it is rich white men it all of a sudden becomes "How bad is crack?" and suddenly it is no worse than alcohol.

Exactly my thought.


To that point, we can drug test welfare recipients, but don't you dare suggest public officials undergo the same.
 
2013-12-02 09:33:41 AM

imashark: We're seriously having this discussion because an idiot crack-smoking mayor has flaunted traditional mores and appears, at least on the surface, to be somewhat functional?

Despite his recorded outbursts and violent behavior?

Seriously?

/facepalm.jpg


Too many humans are profoundly stupid.  Later on a mayor could probably pogo-stick into a minefield with a kidnapped baby and at best the media would acknowledge his "eccentricities."
 
2013-12-02 09:36:20 AM
This is amazing. Propose the idea of drug testing welfare recipients, and conservatives are all excited over the idea-assuming those folks must be on some sort of drug, and will spend more money doing it only to realize that most welfare recipients are not drug addicts, but now we find out publicly that some politicians are crack smokers, and they're posing the question, why not smoke crack? Do we drug test mayors/congressmen etc.? Maybe we should.
 
2013-12-02 09:37:31 AM

Zizzowop: Propose the idea of drug testing welfare recipients, and conservatives are all excited over the idea-assuming those folks must be on some sort of drug, and will spend more money doing it only to realize that most welfare recipients are not drug addicts, but now we find out publicly that some politicians are crack smokers, and they're posing the question, why not smoke crack?


Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
 
2013-12-02 09:37:44 AM
Alcohol and caffeine pretty much do the trick for me.  I'd start smoking again if they could get rid of all the negative effects.  Nicotine is a hell of a drug.
 
2013-12-02 09:37:54 AM

whistleridge: 1. Because it smells like ass
2. It is NOT worth the headache
3. Quality control is a real issue


Done in one. It's a gross, dirty experience, a gross, dirty high and you are most likely to be surrounded by gross, dirty people.

I prefer the slopes to the fireplace, if you know what I'm saying, and I think you do.
 
2013-12-02 09:38:26 AM

Diogenes: Diogenes: ongbok: Christ on a stick. When it is the poor and minorities smoking crack it is the worst thing in the world and the users are the devils spawn that need to be locked away for life. When it is rich white men it all of a sudden becomes "How bad is crack?" and suddenly it is no worse than alcohol.

Exactly my thought.

To that point, we can drug test welfare recipients, but don't you dare suggest public officials undergo the same.


It's an invasion of a public officials privacy to be drug tested. Poor people have no privacy rights I guess.
 
2013-12-02 09:38:33 AM

1derful: Because people don't suck dick for weed.


But they do on weed, so it's just a matter of patience, son.
 
2013-12-02 09:39:39 AM
"The Crystal Methodist?!?"

HA!
 
2013-12-02 09:39:53 AM

ongbok: Christ on a stick. When it is the poor and minorities smoking crack it is the worst thing in the world and the users are the devils spawn that need to be locked away for life. When it is rich white men it all of a sudden becomes "How bad is crack?" and suddenly it is no worse than alcohol.


Yeah it's almost as if people will give you a pass on deviant behavior if you contribute to your society in a meaningful way.
 
2013-12-02 09:39:56 AM
FTA "are more moreish than"
 
2013-12-02 09:40:58 AM
FTA "If people can take hard drugs and still go on running a national bank or Canada's biggest city, how dangerous can such substances be? "

Maybe be a reason to see why we pay those people so much if their job can be done as effectively by a crack head.
 
2013-12-02 09:42:04 AM
If you want to smoke it that's your problem, not mine.
 
2013-12-02 09:42:30 AM

DubtodaIll: ongbok: Christ on a stick. When it is the poor and minorities smoking crack it is the worst thing in the world and the users are the devils spawn that need to be locked away for life. When it is rich white men it all of a sudden becomes "How bad is crack?" and suddenly it is no worse than alcohol.

Yeah it's almost as if people will give you a pass on deviant behavior if you contribute to your society in a meaningful way.


So it is ok to kill people who witnessed you smoking crack just as long as you are a crappy mayor? What if you work at McDonalds and smoke crack? Can you get a pass or do you deserve to be locked up?
 
2013-12-02 09:42:37 AM

Diogenes: Diogenes: ongbok: Christ on a stick. When it is the poor and minorities smoking crack it is the worst thing in the world and the users are the devils spawn that need to be locked away for life. When it is rich white men it all of a sudden becomes "How bad is crack?" and suddenly it is no worse than alcohol.

Exactly my thought.

To that point, we can drug test welfare recipients, but don't you dare suggest public officials undergo the same.


Funny you should mention that...http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/13/mayor-ford-wants-mandator y-drug-t ests-for-councillors
 
2013-12-02 09:43:12 AM

Diogenes: One way of judging a drug's harmfulness might be to see how it is treated in the courts.

[www.reactionface.info image 546x566]


Coherence theory of truth

A positive tenet is the idea that truth is a property of whole systems of propositions and can be ascribed to individual propositions only derivatively according to their coherence with the whole.

/yeah I'm fu*ken with you :)
 
2013-12-02 09:43:47 AM
One of my good friends just died from a crack overdose. His funeral was Saturday.

/RIP Mark T.
 
2013-12-02 09:43:58 AM
Article also misses the fact that city staff and council keep Toronto running, not Ford. It would do just fine without him.
 
2013-12-02 09:45:36 AM

1derful: Because people don't suck dick for weed.



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"That's not entirely accurate."

/blushes
 
2013-12-02 09:45:41 AM

1derful: Because people don't suck dick for weed.


That's funny, back in school I knew plenty of girls that would do it for a few hits off your bowl or a couple cans of skunky beer.
These days I just know classy ladies who will become intimate in exchange for a few drinks...
 
2013-12-02 09:46:23 AM

tricycleracer: If people can take hard drugs and still go on running a national bank or Canada's biggest city, how dangerous  hard can such substances  jobs be?


That's a good point too, Toronto's mayor only has one vote on council, just like all the other Councillors. It's not like he has a ton of power*.  Most of the "extra" duties of the Mayor's gig are ribbon cuttings and flag raisings or tree lightings...

*Gets to pick committee chairs executive council and the Deputy Mayor (these powers have been taken away from the current Mayor by Council.)

Think Zaphod Beeblebrox.
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2013-12-02 09:46:31 AM

ongbok: DubtodaIll: ongbok: Christ on a stick. When it is the poor and minorities smoking crack it is the worst thing in the world and the users are the devils spawn that need to be locked away for life. When it is rich white men it all of a sudden becomes "How bad is crack?" and suddenly it is no worse than alcohol.

Yeah it's almost as if people will give you a pass on deviant behavior if you contribute to your society in a meaningful way.

So it is ok to kill people who witnessed you smoking crack just as long as you are a crappy mayor? What if you work at McDonalds and smoke crack? Can you get a pass or do you deserve to be locked up?


Well no capital crimes are generally frowned upon no matter who you are if you get caught and there's enough evidence to damn you.  Personally I think if you're able to be a functioning citizen regardless of your habit then the State really shouldn't get involved.  However, in a large number of cases people are overcome by their habits and their contribution wanes and therefore the habits become a problem for society and must be dealt with.  What I'm saying is that the more you contribute, the more likely you are to receive forgiveness or avoid punishment for various indiscretions.
 
2013-12-02 09:47:23 AM
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2013-12-02 09:47:58 AM

neversubmit: Diogenes: One way of judging a drug's harmfulness might be to see how it is treated in the courts.

[www.reactionface.info image 546x566]

Coherence theory of truth

A positive tenet is the idea that truth is a property of whole systems of propositions and can be ascribed to individual propositions only derivatively according to their coherence with the whole.

/yeah I'm fu*ken with you :)


I synecdoche what you did there.

Flappyhead: Diogenes: Diogenes: ongbok: Christ on a stick. When it is the poor and minorities smoking crack it is the worst thing in the world and the users are the devils spawn that need to be locked away for life. When it is rich white men it all of a sudden becomes "How bad is crack?" and suddenly it is no worse than alcohol.

Exactly my thought.

To that point, we can drug test welfare recipients, but don't you dare suggest public officials undergo the same.

Funny you should mention that...http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/13/mayor-ford-wants-mandator y-drug-t ests-for-councillors


Oh FFS.  Not transparent at all.  Was he this dumb before the crack?
 
2013-12-02 09:52:46 AM
The Economist whitesplains it to us...when not-white people do crack, jail jail jail...when you start getting some white folks getting caught up in it, it becomes an issue for deep discussion or even better, not so bad.  Maybe even advantageous!  Brilliant white people!  Brilliant!  Well played!
 
2013-12-02 09:53:25 AM
California (and several other states iirc) are voting next year to fully legalize cannabis. If that passes and the sky doesn't fall, how long will it be before people started asking the logical question about other drugs?
 
2013-12-02 09:54:18 AM

Carn: Alcohol and caffeine pretty much do the trick for me.  I'd start smoking again if they could get rid of all the negative effects.  Nicotine is a hell of a drug.



I have some good news for you:

wiki.blucigs.com

Hell, I vape a pipe with 0Mg Nicotine chi tea "juice" to help keep me from snacking when I read trashy novels on my Kindle.  I look damn classy doing it, too.
 
2013-12-02 09:54:28 AM

Diogenes: Oh FFS. Not transparent at all. Was he this dumb before the crack?


It's not clear when he started, so it's hard to tell.  Dumb way before being Mayor for sure.
 
2013-12-02 09:57:43 AM

imashark: We're seriously having this discussion because an idiot crack-smoking mayor has flaunted traditional mores and appears, at least on the surface, to be somewhat functional?

Despite his recorded outbursts and violent behavior?

Seriously?

/facepalm.jpg


Zizzowop: This is amazing. Propose the idea of drug testing welfare recipients, and conservatives are all excited over the idea-assuming those folks must be on some sort of drug, and will spend more money doing it only to realize that most welfare recipients are not drug addicts, but now we find out publicly that some politicians are crack smokers, and they're posing the question, why not smoke crack? Do we drug test mayors/congressmen etc.? Maybe we should.



This is a good thing-- a VERY good thing.

If Mr. Ford's antics cause more people to start rethinking The War On Drugs then he has done both Canada and the United States a huge favor.
 
2013-12-02 10:01:18 AM
Sort of interesting seeing more people stepping down from the snap judgments we've made about drug users for a long time. The truth is most people aren't hardcore addicts, most people function, and most people are able to be sober when they need to be.

Addiction, nor permanent damage is a foregone conclusion with any commonly used recreational drug, and the sooner we accept that as a society then the sooner we stop the drug war and the mindless persecution of everyday people. Furthermore a factual representation of danger is always healthier. Dramatically inflating the dangers of a relatively harmless drug like marijuana leads people to think that everything that's been told to them about drugs may be a lie, and hence not properly weighing the dangers regarding other drugs that do pose more of a threat.

And lastly society needs to admit something, that the pretense society stood on for the war on drugs was never about caring about other people's well being. Politically drug legislature passed all over the world because it has always offered a means of control for governments, but socially we have justified the war on drugs out of a purely feigned interest in other's well being. An interest that seems to be an apex of irony when considering our positions on healthcare, poverty, war, and wide acceptance of binge drinking, which are all worse or at least equally as dangerous to preserving health as using recreational drugs.

The reason we have really socially supported the war on drugs is due to irrational fear. A fear that children would somehow instantly grow up into zombified addicts. And second, a puritanical fear of ourselves, that feeling good would mean we would be transformed overnight into heathens unable to control our salacious impulses for unbound pleasure. As a result we support draconian drug law that does exponentially more harm than good, and all because society is irrationally afraid.
 
2013-12-02 10:02:50 AM

whistleridge: 1. Because it smells like ass
2. It is NOT worth the headache

3. Quality control is a real issue

 
2013-12-02 10:06:58 AM

ongbok: Christ on a stick. When it is the poor and minorities smoking crack it is the worst thing in the world and the users are the devils spawn that need to be locked away for life. When it is rich white men it all of a sudden becomes "How bad is crack?" and suddenly it is no worse than alcohol.


Not suddenly.

It's not Fox News running this story, it's the Economist. They've probably run many pieces that were critical of our war against drugs.
 
2013-12-02 10:07:22 AM
I haz a solution: Make all drugs legal.

However, drug use of any kind, including nicotine and alcohol, is never an excuse for, well, anything. If you cause an accident or do a crime while high, you are parted out for organ meats. After a reasonable detox period, of course.

If you trip balls in your room or under a tree, all is good. If you drive while drunk, we'll be cutting you open for the bits still working.

Solves the fake-ass war on drugs and the shortage of donor organs at one pass, and improves the species.

/you won't like me when I govern.
 
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