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2013-12-01 06:58:46 PM
If you expected anything less, you haven't paid attention.
 
2013-12-01 07:48:01 PM
Of course he won't and if any of us were in the position he's in, we wouldn't either. I'd say that the NCAA should set out rules for discipline because I don't think the Conferences can be trusted either. Then I realized the folly of that as well. So yeah, pretty much don't expect anything to change
 
2013-12-01 09:09:32 PM
Perhaps I've been conditioned from years of soccer, but I just assumed that both would be out from the B10 championship when they got tossed.  Isn't it an automatic suspension in the NFL for an ejection, or was that just tacked on for the sheer stupidity of Suh's foot stomp (the last time I remember a Lion getting ejected)?
 
2013-12-01 09:10:21 PM
If you want a real deterrent, make it a rule that when a player is ejected, one point is added to the other team's score. Fighting isn't that much of a problem in college ball but it'd practically disappear if it changed the score.

/Only for fighting, not  for "targeting", at least not until the rule is a enforced with consistency
 
2013-12-01 09:12:46 PM
Did they rape anyone ?
 
2013-12-01 09:18:33 PM
Not as serious an offense as trading your own property for a Tattoo, apparently.

Of course he isn't going to suspend anyone.  Nor should he.  Why should he purposefully weaken his team?
 
2013-12-01 09:27:53 PM
If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.
 
2013-12-01 09:29:40 PM
Not surprised but I think they should have been suspended from the championship game though.  If we could survive the way michigan played without either player then we could survive another game without them.  Hall plays fine as Hyde's backup RB/kick returner and whoever the lineman's backup was did a good job during the michigan game.  I don't think either player is super critical.  Better PR if they get put down for a game.
 
2013-12-01 09:31:04 PM

mjbok: If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.


That's what happens when you lose a game.  Auburn would be #2 right now if they hadn't lost.
 
2013-12-01 09:31:11 PM

mjbok: If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.


These new talking points taken directly from sports blogs are highly informative and add depth to the conversation.
 
2013-12-01 09:31:15 PM
The NCAA doesn't actually give a shiat about anything than the amount of money they can make off the backs of poorest most vulnerable kids in the country

News at 11
 
2013-12-01 09:32:40 PM

Critch: That's what happens when you lose a game.  Auburn would be #2 right now if they hadn't lost.


This, this, a thousand times this. If Mich st. tops OSU then I imagine the whining would stop, but until then...sheesh.
 
2013-12-01 09:33:32 PM
In college hockey if you drop your gloves and fight (note the 'drop your gloves') you are kicked out of the game and automatically suspended for the next game. If you are given a 5 minute major and a game disqualification a lot of coaches will hold you out of the next game as well, but it's not mandatory, just custom. There is still some fighting, mostly pushing, but not much, and I think I've seen gloves dropped only once in 10 years. There isn't any discretion room once gloves are dropped. The Ref has to call it, and the players are suspended.
 
2013-12-01 09:34:10 PM

mjbok: If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.


OSU and FSU are undefeated. Auburn and Alabama are not.

No SEC. No BCS championship game for you. Not yours.
 
2013-12-01 09:36:10 PM
If the NCAA or B10 want to suspend the players, have at it. But I'm not losing any sleep over Meyer not suspending them himself. I don't expect Hoke to suspend the Michigan player who got ejected either, for that matter.

/M Go Blue!
//Tablets suck for making posts online.
 
2013-12-01 09:37:40 PM

dustman81: mjbok: If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.

OSU and FSU are undefeated. Auburn and Alabama are not.

No SEC. No BCS championship game for you. Not yours.


Tell that to Boise State several years ago.
 
2013-12-01 09:41:08 PM

mjbok: If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.


You know what else means something?  Losing to three loss LSU.
 
2013-12-01 09:53:22 PM

dustman81: mjbok: If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.

OSU and FSU are undefeated. Auburn and Alabama are not.

No SEC. No BCS championship game for you. Not yours.


Depends, Michigan State has a good chance to win next weekend.  That happens and Auburn wins against Missouri guess who gets in.
 
2013-12-01 09:54:38 PM

dustman81: mjbok: If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.

OSU and FSU are undefeated. Auburn and Alabama are not.

No SEC. No BCS championship game for you. Not yours.


Ehh... there are always a few schools who go undefeated and don't get up to the top of the rankings due to a lack of decent victories. (Boise St, for instance, in the past 10 years or so) So it's more than just being undefeated that should count.

I don't think OSU should be #2, particularly not above Auburn. I'm of the opinion that OSU should have DROPPED in the polls due to the tightness of that victory and should not be ranked ahead of Alabama. I don't look forward to the potential of an OSU - FSU BSC Title game - it could very well be a repeat of last years Alabama-Notre Dame debacle since OSU just isn't that good. (assuming Jameis actually plays, and we aren't talking about a "Therapist Jameis" in a fake Sean Connery accent) OSU looked terrible against Michigan on Saturday and is quite lucky to come out of there with a victory.

And yes, you can count some of that on the magic of The Game, but a team who has aspirations of being the best team in the country should be able to overcome the magic to defeat a team that should be 3-8 instead of 7-4 going into the game, with two losses to the creampuffs Akron and UConn. The fact that this Michigan team was one 2pt conversion away from one of the most stunning upsets of this season shouldn't have been rewarded by being moved up to #2; it should have taken a drubbing the likes I actually expected to have them move up in the polls, regardless of what other teams did. (I actually expected OSU to get a Safety on Michigans first play from scrimmage. It was from their own 1 yard line and Michigan has been terrible rushing the ball or protecting the QB, so I was probably one of the most shocked Michigan fans when Michigan actually scored a TD on that first drive.)

Anyway, I expect MSU to beat OSU next week and put all this to rest.

/M Go Blue!
//Seriously, we should be 3-9 right now, not 7-5
 
2013-12-01 09:56:05 PM
I think thats an alright decision for the fighting. But I think the arms-to-the-sky double middle finger exit from Marcus Hall is probably worth one more.
 
2013-12-01 09:56:30 PM
With as wacky as last weekend was, who knows what will happen this weekend.

I certainly didn't expect Georgia and TOSU to damn near fall, Alabama to fall, or Mizzou and Auburn to be anywhere near going to Atlanta.

Whomever plays FSU is stepping into a buzz saw.  But then OTOH whomever stepped played Alabama did too beyond their arrogance and bad kicking.

The way things are going, FSU, TOSU, and Auburn could all fall next weekend.  Then what happens?
 
2013-12-01 10:03:27 PM
So when will Hoke suspend Royce for trying to literally tear Dontre Wilson's head from his body?

F suspension, he should be kicked off the team.
 
2013-12-01 10:05:39 PM

TheGreatGazoo: The way things are going, FSU, TOSU, and Auburn could all fall next weekend.  Then what happens?


There will be a well thought out discussion about strength of schedules and team performances to determine the bowl contenders.

/Not really.
//It would be Alabama vs Mizzou or Auburn vs Mizzou or Alabama vs Auburn, maybe even Alabama vs Alabama (1st vs 2nd string)
///because SEC or something.  You know it's true
 
2013-12-01 10:07:38 PM

dustman81: mjbok: If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.

OSU and FSU are undefeated. Auburn and Alabama are not.

No SEC. No BCS championship game for you. Not yours.


Eh, can't win them all I guess. Though the SEC made a great attempt at it. As for Ohio State, they are like Notre Dame last year - they'll get in because of the brand name then get walloped by FSU or Auburn.
 
2013-12-01 10:11:08 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Of course he won't and if any of us were in the position he's in, we wouldn't either. I'd say that the NCAA should set out rules for discipline because I don't think the Conferences can be trusted either. Then I realized the folly of that as well. So yeah, pretty much don't expect anything to change


Some coaches would but Oscar Meyer has never been big on discipline if it means he may lose the game.
 
2013-12-01 10:13:05 PM

steamingpile: Peter von Nostrand: Of course he won't and if any of us were in the position he's in, we wouldn't either. I'd say that the NCAA should set out rules for discipline because I don't think the Conferences can be trusted either. Then I realized the folly of that as well. So yeah, pretty much don't expect anything to change

Some coaches would but Oscar Meyer has never been big on discipline if it means he may lose the game.


ESPN always fawned all over him , but discipline was nonexistent when he was at Florida.
 
2013-12-01 10:15:12 PM

mjbok: dustman81: mjbok: If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.

OSU and FSU are undefeated. Auburn and Alabama are not.

No SEC. No BCS championship game for you. Not yours.

Tell that to Boise State several years ago.


When you have a 100+ SOS ranking then you dont even remotely deserve talk of being in a NCG even if you're undefeated.
 
2013-12-01 10:17:04 PM

Nabb1: steamingpile: Peter von Nostrand: Of course he won't and if any of us were in the position he's in, we wouldn't either. I'd say that the NCAA should set out rules for discipline because I don't think the Conferences can be trusted either. Then I realized the folly of that as well. So yeah, pretty much don't expect anything to change

Some coaches would but Oscar Meyer has never been big on discipline if it means he may lose the game.

ESPN always fawned all over him , but discipline was nonexistent when he was at Florida.


Yeah that was my point, Cam at the least received stolen property and at worst stole a laptop but got nothing in discipline.
 
2013-12-01 10:19:00 PM

Nabb1: Some coaches would but Oscar Meyer has never been big on discipline if it means he may lose the game.

ESPN always fawned all over him , but discipline was nonexistent when he was at Florida.


He suspended three players at the beginning of the season for off-field shenanigans, including 3 games for Carlos Hyde for a bar altercation where he wasn't even charged. This ain't Urban Meyer of Florida days.

That said, he's going to minimize the punishment as the biggest games of the season are upon us, as any coach would do.
 
2013-12-01 10:22:53 PM

Longtime Lurker: Perhaps I've been conditioned from years of soccer, but I just assumed that both would be out from the B10 championship when they got tossed.  Isn't it an automatic suspension in the NFL for an ejection, or was that just tacked on for the sheer stupidity of Suh's foot stomp (the last time I remember a Lion getting ejected)?


When it happened, the announcered mentioned that since the ejection happened in the first half, they wouldn't be suspended for the B1G champ game. (though Marcus Hall deserves it with his double bird)
 
2013-12-01 10:24:14 PM

DeadlockVictim: Nabb1: Some coaches would but Oscar Meyer has never been big on discipline if it means he may lose the game.

ESPN always fawned all over him , but discipline was nonexistent when he was at Florida.

He suspended three players at the beginning of the season for off-field shenanigans, including 3 games for Carlos Hyde for a bar altercation where he wasn't even charged. This ain't Urban Meyer of Florida days.

That said, he's going to minimize the punishment as the biggest games of the season are upon us, as any coach would do.


For the first game, which is not a suspension at all since their first games were against Florida school of design.
 
2013-12-01 10:26:40 PM

DeadlockVictim: Nabb1: Some coaches would but Oscar Meyer has never been big on discipline if it means he may lose the game.

ESPN always fawned all over him , but discipline was nonexistent when he was at Florida.

He suspended three players at the beginning of the season for off-field shenanigans, including 3 games for Carlos Hyde for a bar altercation where he wasn't even charged. This ain't Urban Meyer of Florida days.

That said, he's going to minimize the punishment as the biggest games of the season are upon us, as any coach would do.


Spurrier once benched a couple of his best players for the first half of a national title game for missing team curfew when he was at Florida. Not all coaches are as flexible as OSU coaches.
 
2013-12-01 10:27:01 PM
I wonder what FSU will do if their QB is charged with rape? I know university rules state the player must be suspended, but do you think that they'd actually do that with a championship on line?
 
2013-12-01 10:29:42 PM

Tom_Slick: dustman81: mjbok: If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.

OSU and FSU are undefeated. Auburn and Alabama are not.

No SEC. No BCS championship game for you. Not yours.

Depends, Michigan State has a good chance to win next weekend.  That happens and Auburn wins against Missouri guess who gets in.


Auburn
 
2013-12-01 10:29:52 PM

jonterry4: Longtime Lurker: Perhaps I've been conditioned from years of soccer, but I just assumed that both would be out from the B10 championship when they got tossed.  Isn't it an automatic suspension in the NFL for an ejection, or was that just tacked on for the sheer stupidity of Suh's foot stomp (the last time I remember a Lion getting ejected)?

When it happened, the announcered mentioned that since the ejection happened in the first half, they wouldn't be suspended for the B1G champ game. (though Marcus Hall deserves it with his double bird)


I think if NBA players get ejected for fighting they are gone the next game, so rules seem to vary but I would be ok for 1 game suspensions if that happens.
 
2013-12-01 10:32:17 PM

TheGreatGazoo: The way things are going, FSU, TOSU, and Auburn could all fall next weekend.  Then what happens?


I would guess Alabama Vs FSU because Ratings
 
2013-12-01 10:45:02 PM

mjbok: If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.


The SEC is the better conference because they play more difficult opponents
The SEC plays more difficult opponents because they're the better conference

Stop the circular logic bullshiat. The only games that really matter to determine who's got the tougher schedule are nonconference games (and that's the only way we can get true objective "who's better than whom" business). Throwing out FCS opponents, because they're not real, there's this:

Florida State nonconference: 14 wins
Ohio State nonconference: 16 wins
Auburn nonconference: 19 wins
Alabama nonconference: 15 wins
All teams above went 3-0 in nonconference play.  Baylor went 2-0 against 14 wins.

I would certainly give undefeated teams the benefit of the doubt because they haven't blown it yet. So my rankings of the above teams are as follows:
[1] 11*-0 Ohio State
[2] 11*-0 Florida State
[3] 10*-1 Auburn
[4] 10*-1 Bama
[5] 9*-1 Baylor
 
2013-12-01 10:46:57 PM

Techhell: there are always a few schools who go undefeated and don't get up to the top of the rankings due to a lack of decent victories.


Those schools have never been BCS teams (with the exception of Auburn 2003, when there were 3 undefeated)
 
2013-12-01 10:50:15 PM

Nabb1: As for Ohio State, they are like Notre Dame last year - they'll get in because of the brand name


Well, that and a perfect record.
 
2013-12-01 11:14:08 PM

Techhell: dustman81: mjbok: If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.

OSU and FSU are undefeated. Auburn and Alabama are not.

No SEC. No BCS championship game for you. Not yours.

Ehh... there are always a few schools who go undefeated and don't get up to the top of the rankings due to a lack of decent victories. (Boise St, for instance, in the past 10 years or so) So it's more than just being undefeated that should count.

I don't think OSU should be #2, particularly not above Auburn. I'm of the opinion that OSU should have DROPPED in the polls due to the tightness of that victory and should not be ranked ahead of Alabama. I don't look forward to the potential of an OSU - FSU BSC Title game - it could very well be a repeat of last years Alabama-Notre Dame debacle since OSU just isn't that good. (assuming Jameis actually plays, and we aren't talking about a "Therapist Jameis" in a fake Sean Connery accent) OSU looked terrible against Michigan on Saturday and is quite lucky to come out of there with a victory.

And yes, you can count some of that on the magic of The Game, but a team who has aspirations of being the best team in the country should be able to overcome the magic to defeat a team that should be 3-8 instead of 7-4 going into the game, with two losses to the creampuffs Akron and UConn. The fact that this Michigan team was one 2pt conversion away from one of the most stunning upsets of this season shouldn't have been rewarded by being moved up to #2; it should have taken a drubbing the likes I actually expected to have them move up in the polls, regardless of what other teams did. (I actually expected OSU to get a Safety on Michigans first play from scrimmage. It was from their own 1 yard line and Michigan has been terrible rushing the ball or protecting the QB, so I was probably one of the most shocked Michigan fans when Michigan actually scored a TD on that first drive.)

Anyway, I expect MSU to beat OSU next week and put all this to rest.

/M Go Blue!
//Seriously, we should be 3-9 right now, not 7-5


Auburn only beat Mississippi State on a last second touchdown. They're 6-6 now. Why does that win count more than Ohio State's win over Michigan, a team with a better record at 7-5?
 
2013-12-01 11:24:09 PM

mjbok: If there was any justice Auburn would be 2 and Tosu would be 3.  Knocking off the number 1 team in the country means something.  Barely beating an unranked opponent doesn't.  Tosu has beaten one team that is currently ranked and has given up bushels of points to unranked teams.  When beating an over-rated Wisconsin team is your signature moment of the season, your schedule was not very tough.


I really farking hate you for making me defend Ohio State but if you want to be #2, beat the farking teams on your farking schedule.
 
2013-12-01 11:27:44 PM

jonterry4: Florida State nonconference: 14 wins
Ohio State nonconference: 16 wins
Auburn nonconference: 19 wins
Alabama nonconference: 15 wins
All teams above went 3-0 in nonconference play. Baylor went 2-0 against 14 wins.


Assuming I understand what you mean (the total number of wins by a teams non-conference opponents) there is a flaw in your logic that you address above that, it is the strength of schedule of those non-conference teams.  Certainly you acknowledge that not all non-conference teams have schedules of equal difficulty.

Assuming OSU and Auburn win next week OSU has wins against 21st and 10th ranked teams.  Auburn has a loss against the 15th ranked teams and wins against 24th, 22nd, 4th, and 5th ranked teams.  Even with one loss, that is a hell of a lot more impressive, especially considering that Ohio almost lost to unranked Michigan, was in a battle with Northwestern, Wisconsin, and gave up a ton of points to Illinois.  How many complete games did Ohio put together?  Penn State.  Any other ones?
 
2013-12-01 11:30:50 PM

Serious Black: Auburn only beat Mississippi State on a last second touchdown. They're 6-6 now. Why does that win count more than Ohio State's win over Michigan, a team with a better record at 7-5?


Quality of opponent matters, a lot.  Michigan's offense has been basically nonexistent for most of the last month.  Since November, Michigan has gone 1-4 with the only win being against Northwestern.  <I>That</i> game only went into overtime because of a literal last-second field goal from Michigan to tie it...at 9-9.

Everyone - Michigan fans included - expected them to be blown out this weekend.  The fact that they were one play away from an upset win should matter in the rankings, in a perfect world.  I'd put Auburn in second too.
 
2013-12-01 11:32:50 PM

mjbok: jonterry4: Florida State nonconference: 14 wins
Ohio State nonconference: 16 wins
Auburn nonconference: 19 wins
Alabama nonconference: 15 wins
All teams above went 3-0 in nonconference play. Baylor went 2-0 against 14 wins.

Assuming I understand what you mean (the total number of wins by a teams non-conference opponents) there is a flaw in your logic that you address above that, it is the strength of schedule of those non-conference teams.  Certainly you acknowledge that not all non-conference teams have schedules of equal difficulty.

Assuming OSU and Auburn win next week OSU has wins against 21st and 10th ranked teams.  Auburn has a loss against the 15th ranked teams and wins against 24th, 22nd, 4th, and 5th ranked teams.  Even with one loss, that is a hell of a lot more impressive, especially considering that Ohio almost lost to unranked Michigan, was in a battle with Northwestern, Wisconsin, and gave up a ton of points to Illinois.  How many complete games did Ohio put together?  Penn State.  Any other ones?


They out together enough complete games to be undefeated through nearly two full seasons. That matters.

If you want in the championship game, don't lose. If you lose, don't whine. Welcome to college football.
 
2013-12-01 11:34:33 PM

Serious Black: Auburn only beat Mississippi State on a last second touchdown. They're 6-6 now. Why does that win count more than Ohio State's win over Michigan, a team with a better record at 7-5?


Despite the score difference of 10 (touchdown to end the game) a 5-7 Northwestern had the ball and could have beaten Ohio (down by three) with a good drive.  Three wins over (then) top 10 ranked teams, and possibly a 4th vs. no games vs. 10 ten teams.
 
2013-12-01 11:36:11 PM

Techhell: I'm of the opinion that OSU should have DROPPED in the polls due to the tightness of that victory


And this sentence fragment is everything wrong with the top tier of college football, right there. It's the only place in all of American athletics where you can be eliminated from title contention without losing a game.  And no, a 4-team playoff isn't going to change this, because even with such a playoff system, Northern Illinois would have no shot at a title.  If you want to fix the top tier of college football, either expand the title net to a reasonable level (not happening), or cut the title chaff (meaning goodbye to the MAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt, Conference USA, and the American Athletic Conference, though they would all get a boost moving to the FCS, a championship that a few teams could actually win).
 
2013-12-01 11:36:31 PM

Spaced Cowboy: They out together enough complete games to be undefeated through nearly two full seasons. That matters.


Last season matters not one bit for this season.

Spaced Cowboy: If you want in the championship game, don't lose. If you lose, don't whine. Welcome to college football.


Tell that to Gordon Gee.
 
2013-12-01 11:38:21 PM

IlGreven: And no, a 4-team playoff isn't going to change this, because even with such a playoff system, Northern Illinois would have no shot at a title. If you want to fix the top tier of college football, either expand the title net to a reasonable level (not happening), or cut the title chaff (meaning goodbye to the MAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt, Conference USA, and the American Athletic Conference, though they would all get a boost moving to the FCS, a championship that a few teams could actually win).


The playoff system that goes into place only shifts the whining from "we deserve to be ranked second" to "we deserve to be ranked fourth".
 
2013-12-01 11:40:51 PM

mjbok: Spaced Cowboy: They out together enough complete games to be undefeated through nearly two full seasons. That matters.

Last season matters not one bit for this season.

Spaced Cowboy: If you want in the championship game, don't lose. If you lose, don't whine. Welcome to college football.

Tell that to Gordon Gee.


Well lucky us. We happen to be undefeated this season too and I'll go tell Gee right now if you promise you'll stop this incessant whining.
 
2013-12-01 11:54:10 PM

mjbok: IlGreven: And no, a 4-team playoff isn't going to change this, because even with such a playoff system, Northern Illinois would have no shot at a title. If you want to fix the top tier of college football, either expand the title net to a reasonable level (not happening), or cut the title chaff (meaning goodbye to the MAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt, Conference USA, and the American Athletic Conference, though they would all get a boost moving to the FCS, a championship that a few teams could actually win).

The playoff system that goes into place only shifts the whining from "we deserve to be ranked second" to "we deserve to be ranked fourth".


There will always be whining.  You have "we deserved to be 68th" in college basketball, but at least the 4 should get rid of the 2004-5 scenario of having a quality undefeated not getting a shot at the championship.
 
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