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2013-12-01 06:45:33 PM  
lol

/my fantasy team is dead in the water because of him
 
2013-12-01 06:46:09 PM  
Two words:

Cleveland Browns

So at least Washington won't be at the very bottom
 
2013-12-01 06:51:46 PM  
When they announced the trade, I called all my Washington fan friends and asked, "How long until they ruin RGIII by not getting an offensive line to go with him?"

It's so damn predictable there.
 
2013-12-01 07:46:56 PM  

neuroflare: lol

/my fantasy team is dead in the water because of him


RGoneKnee is the 10th best fantasy QB this year based on points. You are bad at fantasy football and should feel bad.

/Drafted RG3 in the 7th RD
//First in my fantasy league
 
2013-12-01 07:47:56 PM  

neuroflare: lol

/my fantasy team is dead in the water because of him


I am on top in spite of him

/strong WRs
//Knowshon mini-flyer paid off
 
2013-12-01 07:51:39 PM  
<smirk> Rookie of the Year!

/BEST.JOKE.EVAR.
 
2013-12-01 07:54:15 PM  
A one year wonder that Mr. Shanahan managed to mess up for his career.
 
2013-12-01 07:54:53 PM  
Whichever QB the Rams draft with their 2014 first round pick will almost certainly be better than RGMe.
 
2013-12-01 07:57:24 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Two words:

Cleveland Browns

So at least Washington won't be at the very bottom


I don't know. The Browns have looked downright decent when they've had a good Quarterback playing this year (read: everyone but Brandon Weeden).

There has just been too much Weeden. Next year he will be gone and the Browns will have an extra first rounder from trading away the total bust of Trent Richardson.
 
2013-12-01 08:07:08 PM  

Waldo Pepper: vygramul: When they announced the trade, I called all my Washington fan friends and asked, "How long until they ruin RGIII by not getting an offensive line to go with him?"

It's so damn predictable there.

I'm going to put this on Snyder, how as a long time Skins fan has he not been able to figure out that the success of the past Superbowl teams was first and foremost the HOGS.  without the Hogs 3 average QB's would have never been able to win a Super Bowl must less 3 Superbowls.  Riggins as great a back as he was would never have been that successful behind even an above average line.


Dude can't even figure out how to install a playable field in his stadium.
 
2013-12-01 08:09:41 PM  

EponymousCowHerd: Peter von Nostrand: Two words:

Cleveland Browns

So at least Washington won't be at the very bottom

I don't know. The Browns have looked downright decent when they've had a good Quarterback playing this year (read: everyone but Brandon Weeden).

There has just been too much Weeden. Next year he will be gone and the Browns will have an extra first rounder from trading away the total bust of Trent Richardson.


Their Jerry Jones like ability to discern talent in the draft begs to differ
 
2013-12-01 08:11:39 PM  

EponymousCowHerd: There has just been too much Weeden. Next year he will be gone and the Browns will have an extra first rounder from trading away the total bust of Trent Richardson.


I just want to say how much I loved that trade. I'm no Browns fan, really ambivalent about them and the Colts, but after all the experts said the Browns were throwing in the towel and T Rich would blow up in Indy, I've been very happy to watch him suck out loud.
 
2013-12-01 08:22:20 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Two words:

Cleveland Browns

Minnesota Vikings

So at least Washington won't be at the very bottom


FIFY
 
2013-12-01 08:27:39 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: EponymousCowHerd: There has just been too much Weeden. Next year he will be gone and the Browns will have an extra first rounder from trading away the total bust of Trent Richardson.

I just want to say how much I loved that trade. I'm no Browns fan, really ambivalent about them and the Colts, but after all the experts said the Browns were throwing in the towel and T Rich would blow up in Indy, I've been very happy to watch him suck out loud.


I lamented the trade when it happened and have not enjoyed it at any point since.

Trading a RB for a first round pick by a team with as many roster holes as the Colts have was dumb.

Trading for Trent Richardson in that scenario was *really* dumb.
 
2013-12-01 09:14:04 PM  

Waldo Pepper: vygramul: When they announced the trade, I called all my Washington fan friends and asked, "How long until they ruin RGIII by not getting an offensive line to go with him?"

It's so damn predictable there.

I'm going to put this on Snyder, how as a long time Skins fan has he not been able to figure out that the success of the past Superbowl teams was first and foremost the HOGS.  without the Hogs 3 average QB's would have never been able to win a Super Bowl must less 3 Superbowls.  Riggins as great a back as he was would never have been that successful behind even an above average line.


Offensive linemen don't put asses in the seats, and Snyder is more concerned about the bottom line.  He wants "superstars;" a winning record and the playoffs is secondary.  If he can sell out the stadium every home game and sell tons of jerseys, then he's good.
 
2013-12-01 09:31:40 PM  

neuroflare: lol

/my fantasy team is dead in the water because of him


An important lesson in life to learn is that your X is crap because of you.
 
2013-12-01 09:49:06 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Two words:

Cleveland Browns

So at least Washington won't be at the very bottom


I don't know, the Cleveland Browns have a better record than the Redskins  right now (but they'll be tied if Washington wins tonight), and Cleveland didn't give up their first round pick for next year.  The Redskins bet their life savings on red and oops, 00 came up.
 
2013-12-01 09:55:03 PM  
The redskins get a huge increase in their cap space next year from where they were forced to pare down to.

I think they will be fine. They need to use some of those millions on some blocking players, and some tackling lessons though.
 
2013-12-01 09:55:49 PM  

EponymousCowHerd: So at least Washington won't be at the very bottom

I don't know. The Browns have looked downright decent when they've had a good Quarterback playing this year (read: everyone but Brandon Weeden).

There has just been too much Weeden. Next year he will be gone and the Browns will have an extra first rounder from trading away the total bust of Trent Richardson.


Ironically, many a Redskins fan has his "second team" the Browns now because we love Campbell and think he got a raw deal in DC.  Of course, he must be the most snakebit guy in the NFL...

// f'ing steelers
 
2013-12-01 10:09:57 PM  
So are we heaping blame on RGIII now and not on Shanahan for screwing over raw talent as he is wont to do?
 
2013-12-01 10:28:07 PM  
R word?
Washington Retards?
 
2013-12-01 11:05:14 PM  
So one team is benefitting from a trade? Is that how news works now?
 
2013-12-01 11:18:24 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Offensive linemen don't put asses in the seats, and Snyder is more concerned about the bottom line.  He wants "superstars;" a winning record and the playoffs is secondary.  If he can sell out the stadium every home game and sell tons of jerseys, then he's good.


The Redskins have sold out every game since Dan Snyder was four years old.  He could make any team he wanted and the place would fill up.
 
2013-12-01 11:32:05 PM  
I live in the DC area, and Skins fans have to be the most insufferable fans in all of football. Anything that tortures their fanatical little souls gives me that much more enjoyment.
 
2013-12-01 11:35:17 PM  
I've said it I don't know how many times: Scrambling 'athletic' QBs (RG3, Vick, Cunningham, Etc...) tend to burn bright and fade fast. Vick is the real exception to the rule, and his career numbers are very middle of the road, overall. When they are hot, they are fun to watch, but that fun never lasts long.

There are guys like Young, McNair, etc.. who could scramble well, but also could sit in the pocket, but not having too happy feet is the key. The guys who learn to, or are comfortable sitting in the pocket, historically make better long term QBs.
 
2013-12-01 11:43:57 PM  
RG3-10 is not wholly to blame here, my opening snark aside.

Shanahan's game plans are questionable, the offensive line is just as bad as Oakland's (Raiders fan here, so I know poor O-line play intimately) and their mediocre defense spends far too much time on the field.  If Griffin hadn't so much of a media whore during the off-season and preseason, I'd have a lot more sympathy for him.  He wasn't, so I don't.  It's a bummer for the Rams that Bradford got ACL'd, but they will be able to put some good pieces in place around him for next season when he is more along the road to recovery, unlike Griffin who got it at the worst time during a season; the last game.  My buddy the Rams fan was ecstatic when the trade was initially announced.  Right now, he's about as happy as 5-7 fan can be.

/due to our bet I'm going to owe him a plate of wings after the season because my team will be worse than his
//at least I'm not tearing out my own throat like the DC fanbase
///drunk slashies
 
2013-12-01 11:45:02 PM  
The T Rich trade has been such a swindling its hard to believe. As of now unless Vic Ballard is totally mangled from his knee injury, there is no way Colts keep Richardson over Brown, if Bradshaw comes back with any semblance of former self.

I did not want to say it I really did not but man T Rich is a bust.
 
2013-12-02 12:33:08 AM  

zombiegoat: RG3-10 is not wholly to blame here, my opening snark aside.

Shanahan's game plans are questionable, the offensive line is just as bad as Oakland's (Raiders fan here, so I know poor O-line play intimately) and their mediocre defense spends far too much time on the field.  If Griffin hadn't so much of a media whore during the off-season and preseason, I'd have a lot more sympathy for him.  He wasn't, so I don't.  It's a bummer for the Rams that Bradford got ACL'd, but they will be able to put some good pieces in place around him for next season when he is more along the road to recovery, unlike Griffin who got it at the worst time during a season; the last game.  My buddy the Rams fan was ecstatic when the trade was initially announced.  Right now, he's about as happy as 5-7 fan can be.

/due to our bet I'm going to owe him a plate of wings after the season because my team will be worse than his
//at least I'm not tearing out my own throat like the DC fanbase
///drunk slashies


true stuff here.

RGIII isn't the entire problem.  He has minimal talent to throw to and the defense is atrocious.    Look how Kapernick floundered with crap receivers.   he has Manningham and now Crab back and the passing game has some life now.
 
2013-12-02 12:34:17 AM  

iron_city_ap: I've said it I don't know how many times: Scrambling 'athletic' QBs (RG3, Vick, Cunningham, Etc...) tend to burn bright and fade fast.


Uh Randall Cunningham led the Vikings to a 15-1 season in 1998 when he was 35.
 
2013-12-02 12:39:22 AM  

Satanic panic in the attic: The T Rich trade has been such a swindling its hard to believe. As of now unless Vic Ballard is totally mangled from his knee injury, there is no way Colts keep Richardson over Brown, if Bradshaw comes back with any semblance of former self.

I did not want to say it I really did not but man T Rich is a bust.


Grigson is not going to cut Richardson. His contract was mostly paid out by the Browns, lasts for another two years, and his cap hit is negligible. I mean, one of his other pets McGlynn just now got benched after being the worst guard in football for a year and a half. He's still on the team and he's working for vet minimum. Only person Grigson has jettisoned after signing was Zbikowski and he's not even in the NFL anymore.  Brown is a free agent after this season, Bradshaw has a nasty habit of getting injuries, and Ballad is coming off of a knee injury. I hope the Colts resign Brown. I doubt Bradshaw will be back after missing the beginning of the season due to injuries and sitting out the rest with the neck issue.

Production-wise, I don't think the Colts would lose anything by dropping Richardson and replacing him with a UDFA or another veteran RB. It is kind of annoying all the reasons being thrown around why he hasn't been good though (not enough time with offensive, needs to learn playbook, gets hit in backfield). Bradshaw couldn't practice until halfway through August and looked great as soon as he started. Brown, Ballard, "Boom", and Bradshaw have all looked substantially better behind the same line with the same plays/formations in many circumstances. The Giants apparently have the ability to resurrect corpses as both Brandon Jacobs and Peyton Hillis have done more behind arguably a worse line (I mean David Diehl, really?) after being signed the same week.
 
2013-12-02 12:53:08 AM  

redmid17: Satanic panic in the attic: The T Rich trade has been such a swindling its hard to believe. As of now unless Vic Ballard is totally mangled from his knee injury, there is no way Colts keep Richardson over Brown, if Bradshaw comes back with any semblance of former self.

I did not want to say it I really did not but man T Rich is a bust.

Grigson is not going to cut Richardson. His contract was mostly paid out by the Browns, lasts for another two years, and his cap hit is negligible. I mean, one of his other pets McGlynn just now got benched after being the worst guard in football for a year and a half. He's still on the team and he's working for vet minimum. Only person Grigson has jettisoned after signing was Zbikowski and he's not even in the NFL anymore.  Brown is a free agent after this season, Bradshaw has a nasty habit of getting injuries, and Ballad is coming off of a knee injury. I hope the Colts resign Brown. I doubt Bradshaw will be back after missing the beginning of the season due to injuries and sitting out the rest with the neck issue.

Production-wise, I don't think the Colts would lose anything by dropping Richardson and replacing him with a UDFA or another veteran RB. It is kind of annoying all the reasons being thrown around why he hasn't been good though (not enough time with offensive, needs to learn playbook, gets hit in backfield). Bradshaw couldn't practice until halfway through August and looked great as soon as he started. Brown, Ballard, "Boom", and Bradshaw have all looked substantially better behind the same line with the same plays/formations in many circumstances. The Giants apparently have the ability to resurrect corpses as both Brandon Jacobs and Peyton Hillis have done more behind arguably a worse line (I mean David Diehl, really?) after being signed the same week.


Colts sign Ben Tate and they would be legit.
 
2013-12-02 12:59:43 AM  

uknowzit: redmid17: Satanic panic in the attic: The T Rich trade has been such a swindling its hard to believe. As of now unless Vic Ballard is totally mangled from his knee injury, there is no way Colts keep Richardson over Brown, if Bradshaw comes back with any semblance of former self.

I did not want to say it I really did not but man T Rich is a bust.

Grigson is not going to cut Richardson. His contract was mostly paid out by the Browns, lasts for another two years, and his cap hit is negligible. I mean, one of his other pets McGlynn just now got benched after being the worst guard in football for a year and a half. He's still on the team and he's working for vet minimum. Only person Grigson has jettisoned after signing was Zbikowski and he's not even in the NFL anymore.  Brown is a free agent after this season, Bradshaw has a nasty habit of getting injuries, and Ballad is coming off of a knee injury. I hope the Colts resign Brown. I doubt Bradshaw will be back after missing the beginning of the season due to injuries and sitting out the rest with the neck issue.

Production-wise, I don't think the Colts would lose anything by dropping Richardson and replacing him with a UDFA or another veteran RB. It is kind of annoying all the reasons being thrown around why he hasn't been good though (not enough time with offensive, needs to learn playbook, gets hit in backfield). Bradshaw couldn't practice until halfway through August and looked great as soon as he started. Brown, Ballard, "Boom", and Bradshaw have all looked substantially better behind the same line with the same plays/formations in many circumstances. The Giants apparently have the ability to resurrect corpses as both Brandon Jacobs and Peyton Hillis have done more behind arguably a worse line (I mean David Diehl, really?) after being signed the same week.

Colts sign Ben Tate and they would be legit.


I'd be leery of him because of his injury history, even if he plays through them, but he could be a decent signing. I doubt he'd be in the price range the Colts prefer though. They have a finite amount to spend on free agents, and that money needs to go to several places first, specifically the interior offensive line. A good offensive line can make average backs look good to great.
 
2013-12-02 01:06:29 AM  

SurfaceTension: I live in the DC area, and Skins fans have to be the most insufferable fans in all of football. Anything that tortures their fanatical little souls gives me that much more enjoyment.


You never lived in Westminster, MD have you? It is the home of the Ravens training camp and right down the road from the front office.

That whole area is the absolute most insufferable of them all. It is 24/7 365 Ravens.

I lived there during the awesomeness that was the Dolphins 1-15 season. I was at the bar with friends when the Dolphins got that one win against the Ravens in overtime.

I thought I was gonna get killed, if I would have been in Baltimore I am sure I would have.
 
2013-12-02 01:19:37 AM  

SurfaceTension: I live in the DC area, and Skins fans have to be the most insufferable fans in all of football. Anything that tortures their fanatical little souls gives me that much more enjoyment.


This x 1000.

It's not that they're obnoxious per se. It's that they feel the skins are God's chosen team that will go undefeated with nothing to back it up.
 
2013-12-02 01:38:47 AM  
Why yes Adam Shefter, it is all Bob Griffins fault and has nothing to do with their pop warner defense.
 
2013-12-02 01:41:22 AM  
The Redskins have many problems. Rg3's performance is not one of them. Dan Snyder Is the problem.
Don't blame RG3 for sacrificing three years of draft picks. Blame Snyder.
Don't blame the field conditions on rg3.
Don't blame the special teams on RG3.
Don't blame the defense on RG3.
Don't blame the stupid salary cap penalties on RG3.
 
2013-12-02 01:46:23 AM  

foo monkey: The Redskins have many problems. Rg3's performance is not one of them. Dan Snyder Is the problem.
Don't blame RG3 for sacrificing three years of draft picks. Blame Snyder.
Don't blame the field conditions on rg3.
Don't blame the special teams on RG3.
Don't blame the defense on RG3.
Don't blame the stupid salary cap penalties on RG3.


I'd be the first to agree on just about all of those points -- you left out leading the league WR drops -- but RG no-knee's performance has been part of the problem. Even when adequately protected, his decision making has not been stellar in the 4 games I've seen. Then again I haven't been looking in detail at his performance.
 
2013-12-02 01:46:34 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Waldo Pepper: vygramul: When they announced the trade, I called all my Washington fan friends and asked, "How long until they ruin RGIII by not getting an offensive line to go with him?"

It's so damn predictable there.

I'm going to put this on Snyder, how as a long time Skins fan has he not been able to figure out that the success of the past Superbowl teams was first and foremost the HOGS.  without the Hogs 3 average QB's would have never been able to win a Super Bowl must less 3 Superbowls.  Riggins as great a back as he was would never have been that successful behind even an above average line.

Offensive linemen don't put asses in the seats, and Snyder is more concerned about the bottom line.  He wants "superstars;" a winning record and the playoffs is secondary.  If he can sell out the stadium every home game and sell tons of jerseys, then he's good.


This can't be said enough. He bought the team to monetize the fan base.
 
2013-12-02 01:56:01 AM  

redmid17: foo monkey: The Redskins have many problems. Rg3's performance is not one of them. Dan Snyder Is the problem.
Don't blame RG3 for sacrificing three years of draft picks. Blame Snyder.
Don't blame the field conditions on rg3.
Don't blame the special teams on RG3.
Don't blame the defense on RG3.
Don't blame the stupid salary cap penalties on RG3.

I'd be the first to agree on just about all of those points -- you left out leading the league WR drops -- but RG no-knee's performance has been part of the problem. Even when adequately protected, his decision making has not been stellar in the 4 games I've seen. Then again I haven't been looking in detail at his performance.


You're right about his decision-making in his sophmore season. 12 games in, it is better, but It was not good at the start of the season.
-no pre-season games
-spending all his time on knee rehab

Snyder has fixed the field.
Now fix the coach.
Then fix Snyder.
 
2013-12-02 03:26:43 AM  

iron_city_ap: I've said it I don't know how many times: Scrambling 'athletic' QBs (RG3, Vick, Cunningham, Etc...) tend to burn bright and fade fast. Vick is the real exception to the rule, and his career numbers are very middle of the road, overall. When they are hot, they are fun to watch, but that fun never lasts long.

There are guys like Young, McNair, etc.. who could scramble well, but also could sit in the pocket, but not having too happy feet is the key. The guys who learn to, or are comfortable sitting in the pocket, historically make better long term QBs.


It's real nice watching Cam Newton get some patience. If the play is not busted do not scramble no matter what the D is showing! I know, I know, he ran for 68 yards today.
 
2013-12-02 04:04:28 AM  

Piizzadude: SurfaceTension: I live in the DC area, and Skins fans have to be the most insufferable fans in all of football. Anything that tortures their fanatical little souls gives me that much more enjoyment.

You never lived in Westminster, MD have you? It is the home of the Ravens training camp and right down the road from the front office.

That whole area is the absolute most insufferable of them all. It is 24/7 365 Ravens.

I lived there during the awesomeness that was the Dolphins 1-15 season. I was at the bar with friends when the Dolphins got that one win against the Ravens in overtime.

I thought I was gonna get killed, if I would have been in Baltimore I am sure I would have.


Ravens haven't had training camp there for 2 years. Get with the program, dumbass.
 
2013-12-02 05:58:33 AM  

Smoked: Piizzadude: SurfaceTension: I live in the DC area, and Skins fans have to be the most insufferable fans in all of football. Anything that tortures their fanatical little souls gives me that much more enjoyment.

You never lived in Westminster, MD have you? It is the home of the Ravens training camp and right down the road from the front office.

That whole area is the absolute most insufferable of them all. It is 24/7 365 Ravens.

I lived there during the awesomeness that was the Dolphins 1-15 season. I was at the bar with friends when the Dolphins got that one win against the Ravens in overtime.

I thought I was gonna get killed, if I would have been in Baltimore I am sure I would have.

Ravens haven't had training camp there for 2 years. Get with the program, dumbass.


Ah, i see what you mean. I'm sure Skins fans would call me a dumbass too, if they could quit talking about Gibbs and The Hogs and super bowls that happened 30 years ago.
 
2013-12-02 07:38:26 AM  
I love how BSPN can't dump on Cam Newton anymore for being immature, so they just start unloading on Griffin.  He's a good QB who was rushed out of rehab playing for a coach who hasn't handled personnel well since Elway retired and a front office that can't get out from under a couple of decades of terrible personnel decisions.
 
2013-12-02 07:48:13 AM  
they would be in the playoff mix if they started Kirk Cousins at the beginning of the season, rg3 and 9 sucks
 
2013-12-02 07:49:48 AM  
I tend to disagree. Their cap opens up this year and they will be able to pick up some good skill players and hopefully some line help. I could see them going 8-8 next year.
 
2013-12-02 10:41:40 AM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: iron_city_ap: I've said it I don't know how many times: Scrambling 'athletic' QBs (RG3, Vick, Cunningham, Etc...) tend to burn bright and fade fast.

Uh Randall Cunningham led the Vikings to a 15-1 season in 1998 when he was 35.


There are exceptions, but generally he is right. They take a huge beating from getting hit more, which tends to shorten careers. Cunningham also had a ridiculous offense around him (although he was exceptional that year, too). Vick lasted longer due to taking a few years off due to his little brush with the law
 
2013-12-02 11:36:06 AM  

machoprogrammer: Flying Lasagna Monster: iron_city_ap: I've said it I don't know how many times: Scrambling 'athletic' QBs (RG3, Vick, Cunningham, Etc...) tend to burn bright and fade fast.

Uh Randall Cunningham led the Vikings to a 15-1 season in 1998 when he was 35.

There are exceptions, but generally he is right. They take a huge beating from getting hit more, which tends to shorten careers. Cunningham also had a ridiculous offense around him (although he was exceptional that year, too). Vick lasted longer due to taking a few years off due to his little brush with the law


I don't think it's the fault of the QBs as much as it is the GMs.   How many of these guys had GMs that skimped on O linemen because the QB can just run more or escape the pocket better?   How many of the QBs had good receivers and running backs.
And then the coaching goes a long way.    Alfred Morris is the third leading rusher in the league, he had all of 2 carries to RG3's 5 in the second half.   WHY???????  That's just shiat playcalling.
 
2013-12-02 12:18:31 PM  
NFL fans and the sports media are so impatient with young QBs.  They expect them to play like stars right out of the gate now.

Cam Newton started extremely strong in his first 8 games or so, faltered for his next 20 games, and now has played very well in his third season.  Carolina showed patience with him and his coaching staff, and now it's paying off.  Sam Bradford's career in St. Louis in his first three seasons shows a similar arc.

Give Griffin and Kaepernick three seasons to learn how to be an NFL QB.  Don't expect them to play like Steve Young in his prime right away.  There will be growing pains and sophomore slumps.  If they don't play well in their third and fourth seasons, then it's time to sharpen the knives.  But not until then.

/rant off, stupid sports media
 
2013-12-02 12:32:59 PM  

Waldo Pepper: vygramul: When they announced the trade, I called all my Washington fan friends and asked, "How long until they ruin RGIII by not getting an offensive line to go with him?"

It's so damn predictable there.

I'm going to put this on Snyder, how as a long time Skins fan has he not been able to figure out that the success of the past Superbowl teams was first and foremost the HOGS.  without the Hogs 3 average QB's would have never been able to win a Super Bowl must less 3 Superbowls.  Riggins as great a back as he was would never have been that successful behind even an above average line.


Doesn't he hire people to do that for him? I mean the coach and gm make personnel decisions, he really just signs the checks and sticks his foot in his mouth as needed.
 
2013-12-02 12:48:05 PM  

SurfaceTension: Smoked: Piizzadude: SurfaceTension: I live in the DC area, and Skins fans have to be the most insufferable fans in all of football. Anything that tortures their fanatical little souls gives me that much more enjoyment.

You never lived in Westminster, MD have you? It is the home of the Ravens training camp and right down the road from the front office.

That whole area is the absolute most insufferable of them all. It is 24/7 365 Ravens.

I lived there during the awesomeness that was the Dolphins 1-15 season. I was at the bar with friends when the Dolphins got that one win against the Ravens in overtime.

I thought I was gonna get killed, if I would have been in Baltimore I am sure I would have.

Ravens haven't had training camp there for 2 years. Get with the program, dumbass.

Ah, i see what you mean. I'm sure Skins fans would call me a dumbass too, if they could quit talking about Gibbs and The Hogs and super bowls that happened 30 years ago.


Yet they magically forget Danny Wuerffel and the "fun gun" offense.
 
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