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(Gawker)   Turns out that in Walker County Georgia it's now legal to kill a man with Alzheimer's, as long as you are saddened and heartbroken about it   (gawker.com) divider line 173
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2013-12-01 02:46:36 PM
. Hendrix, who had just moved into the home two weeks before, woke up to the noise and his fiancé called 911 to report the disturbance. She spoke with the dispatcher for around 10 minutes but before help arrived, Hendrix went outside with a .40 caliber handgun and saw the elderly man's silhouette outside the house. Hendrix gave Westbrook a command to stop moving and when he did not, Hendrix fired four shots, killing the elderly man with fatal shot in the chest.

As long as he feels bad about it, no foul.
 
2013-12-01 03:40:43 PM
Y'know, burglars always ring the doorbell first.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-01 03:44:20 PM
I support euthanasia in cases of severe illness where the brain is gone.
 
2013-12-01 04:27:49 PM
Alzheimer's is a bad name. Call it what it is: dementia.

Following the root word, we get "demented"

A man shot a demented man who was trying to gain entrance to his home and wouldn't cooperate. Unfortunate, yes. But it's not the same as subby's trollish headline implies. Mark Twain has a story about a widow shooting a drunk that's basically the same story as this in his autobiography.
 
2013-12-01 04:57:56 PM

doglover: Alzheimer's is a bad name. Call it what it is: dementia.

Following the root word, we get "demented"

A man shot a demented man who was trying to gain entrance to his home and wouldn't cooperate. Unfortunate, yes. But it's not the same as subby's trollish headline implies. Mark Twain has a story about a widow shooting a drunk that's basically the same story as this in his autobiography.


A demented man and a man with dementia are two entirely different things and you know it. Your attempt at turning a confused man with Alzheimer's wandering around late at night, ringing a doorbell and then hanging around the porch with his dogs, into a "demented man trying to gain entrance to his home" is disgusting.
 
2013-12-01 05:04:18 PM

propasaurus: Y'know, burglars always ring the doorbell first.


In cases of home invasion it's not uncommon.  They'll knock or ring the doorbell, and force their way in if the homeowner answers the door.

I can see how somebody would be afraid if someone started ringing their bell in the middle of the night, but if he went outside and was close enough to see the guy to shoot him, he should have been able to see it was just an old man and not a threat.
 
2013-12-01 05:11:37 PM

Rincewind53: A demented man and a man with dementia are two entirely different things and you know it.


The cops would have shot him, too, for advancing and failure to comply with verbal instructions. In a tense situation when someone's trying to break into your home and they advance on you despite you telling them no to? You'd shoot too.
 
2013-12-01 05:24:51 PM

doglover: Rincewind53: A demented man and a man with dementia are two entirely different things and you know it.

The cops would have shot him, too, for advancing and failure to comply with verbal instructions. In a tense situation when someone's trying to break into your home and they advance on you despite you telling them no to? You'd shoot too.


The cops have the legal authority to order someone to stop. A homeowner does not. "He didn't stop when I told him to" isn't even legal grounds for cops to use lethal force.

This man escalated. He went out onto his porch without turning on any lights, with his gun out, and shot an old, confused man whose only "crime" was ringing his doorbell and rattling the doorknob. He knew the police were coming. He knew that that the man on the porch hadn't taken any violent actions towards him, hadn't broken a window, hadn't yelled, and hadn't threatened him. In no way was he in an imminent threat of lethal danger that would justify shooting the guy.

I get that the homeowner was scared. Hell, I'd be scared too. But you know what I wouldn't do? Leave my house with a loaded gun, with no lights on, and demand that the trespasser stop or I shoot.

Look, I feel for the guy, as he clearly thought he was defending his house. But he placed himself in a situation where he allowed his fear to rule him and an old man ended up dead as a result.
 
2013-12-01 05:30:01 PM

TuteTibiImperes: propasaurus: Y'know, burglars always ring the doorbell first.

In cases of home invasion it's not uncommon.  They'll knock or ring the doorbell, and force their way in if the homeowner answers the door.

I can see how somebody would be afraid if someone started ringing their bell in the middle of the night, but if he went outside and was close enough to see the guy to shoot him, he should have been able to see it was just an old man and not a threat.


I used to live in a row house, where it was a series of narrow houses with closely spaced doors.  The neighbors' friends would sometimes come to my door, or sometimes the neighbors themselves would be jiggling the handle and ringing the bell after a late night of drinking.

Unless they were trying to actually kick the farking door in, I'd:

A)  Wait for them to get bored and leave.
B)  Yell, "I think you got the wrong house, man.  This is [house number]," through a closed door, or a window.
C) That fails?  "Go away, before I call the cops!"

Not once have I gotten the urge to go out and "investigate," because:

A)  I'm probably going to end up arguing or wrestling with some drunk.
B)  If it was a set-up for a home invasion, and I'll probably going to get blind-sided by an accomplice, while the distraction plays lost tourist.
C) Go through the investigation of a justifiable homicide defense.
 
2013-12-01 05:37:01 PM
I think the notable facts in this story is that the man went outside after hearing the old man ringing the doorbell of the neighbor's house and challenged the man to stop, and when the old man didn't, he immediately shot him.

The guy was in no real danger at any time. He could've kept the door shut. He could've not gone outside. He could've waited for the cops. But instead, he decided to go outside and confront an old man who was at his neighbor's house.
 
2013-12-01 06:12:00 PM
What would a zombie with alzheimer's eat?
 
2013-12-01 06:12:47 PM

ZAZ: I support euthanasia in cases of severe illness where the brain is gone.


Indeed, I agree that this is an appropriate way to deal with the shooter. Pity about his victim.
 
2013-12-01 06:13:37 PM

Heliovdrake: and saw the elderly man's silhouette


No threat = prison time.
 
2013-12-01 06:14:29 PM
The real question remains: Was it cloudy?
 
2013-12-01 06:15:06 PM
Why you libs so against Darwin now?
 
2013-12-01 06:15:53 PM
What would Zimmerman do?
 
2013-12-01 06:16:29 PM
Joe Hendrix must have been confused too. He thought he was a cop, issuing commands and shooting a person when he didn't obey.
 
2013-12-01 06:16:29 PM
Was he wearing a hoody? And what was the snack food situation?
 
2013-12-01 06:16:34 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: What would a zombie with alzheimer's eat?


Ecto Cooler?
 
2013-12-01 06:17:44 PM
I am all for defending yourself and your family with deadly force if you feel threatened, but there was no reason to go outside looking for the guy, especially if you have already called 911. Stay barricaded inside your house, it is much safer for you if the prowler outside has bad intent, and safer for the person outside if they are just confused about where they are. All bets are off if they get inside your house though.
 
2013-12-01 06:19:20 PM

Rincewind53: doglover: Rincewind53: A demented man and a man with dementia are two entirely different things and you know it.

The cops would have shot him, too, for advancing and failure to comply with verbal instructions. In a tense situation when someone's trying to break into your home and they advance on you despite you telling them no to? You'd shoot too.

The cops have the legal authority to order someone to stop. A homeowner does not. "He didn't stop when I told him to" isn't even legal grounds for cops to use lethal force.

This man escalated. He went out onto his porch without turning on any lights, with his gun out, and shot an old, confused man whose only "crime" was ringing his doorbell and rattling the doorknob. He knew the police were coming. He knew that that the man on the porch hadn't taken any violent actions towards him, hadn't broken a window, hadn't yelled, and hadn't threatened him. In no way was he in an imminent threat of lethal danger that would justify shooting the guy.

I get that the homeowner was scared. Hell, I'd be scared too. But you know what I wouldn't do? Leave my house with a loaded gun, with no lights on, and demand that the trespasser stop or I shoot.

Look, I feel for the guy, as he clearly thought he was defending his house. But he placed himself in a situation where he allowed his fear to rule him and an old man ended up dead as a result.


This.
 
2013-12-01 06:19:45 PM
What would Walker, Texas Ranger, do?
 
2013-12-01 06:21:57 PM
It's all good. He saved the old man from a long, drawn out, miserable death...
 
2013-12-01 06:23:15 PM

RexTalionis: I think the notable facts in this story is that the man went outside after hearing the old man ringing the doorbell of the neighbor's house and challenged the man to stop, and when the old man didn't, he immediately shot him.

The guy was in no real danger at any time. He could've kept the door shut. He could've not gone outside. He could've waited for the cops. But instead, he decided to go outside and confront an old man who was at his neighbor's house.


If that is they way you think than we have an actual obligation to not help our neighbor if you think they may be in trouble and that we have to rely on our 911 apparatus for all interactions of such a nature.

Also why would someone be obligated to rely on 911 or anything like that since the police are not obligated to protect you?
 
2013-12-01 06:23:24 PM
The shooter wasn't defending a damn thing.

He was looking to play local hero and saw an opportunity to finally put his firearm to use.

And of course he shot a feeble old man.
 
2013-12-01 06:24:13 PM
Good job, 2nd amendment "rights" enthusiasts. You got another consequence-free kill!
 
2013-12-01 06:24:17 PM
Walker death trifecta now in play...
 
2013-12-01 06:24:19 PM
Typical gun nut who couldn't wait to kill someone. I'm not ragging on typical gun owners, just the nuts.
 
2013-12-01 06:25:35 PM

walktoanarcade: Typical gun nut who couldn't wait to kill someone. I'm not ragging on typical gun owners, just the nuts.


The nuts cover about 90% anymore.
 
2013-12-01 06:27:40 PM
There is a pun here about Walker(s), brain problems, and Georgia but the words elude me to put it together right.

First, how did the man with Alzheimer's end up that far from home?
Second, what took the cops so long?
Third, please do not assume that just because someone has Alzheimer's that this renders them harmless.

What happened here was tragic but should the guy really face jail time?
 
2013-12-01 06:28:49 PM

mrlewish: RexTalionis:

Also why would someone be obligated to rely on 911 or anything like that since the police are not obligated to protect you?



I think the key fact you're failing to consider her is that Yosemite Sam wasn't protecting a damn thing.  What if this was a late house guest the neighbor was expecting?  Or some other person familiar to the owner who was not expected at that late hour but none the less welcome?

The lunatic shooter needs to be charged!
 
2013-12-01 06:30:15 PM

blugenes: There is a pun here about Walker(s), brain problems, and Georgia but the words elude me to put it together right.

First, how did the man with Alzheimer's end up that far from home?
Second, what took the cops so long?
Third, please do not assume that just because someone has Alzheimer's that this renders them harmless.

What happened here was tragic but should the guy really face jail time?



He shot first and asked questions later.   Yes, he should go to jail.  For years!
 
2013-12-01 06:30:21 PM

oldwolf49: walktoanarcade: Typical gun nut who couldn't wait to kill someone. I'm not ragging on typical gun owners, just the nuts.

The nuts cover about 90% anymore.


jaytkay: Good job, 2nd amendment "rights" enthusiasts. You got another consequence-free kill!


Most gun owners I know or have met are polite, easy going people who hope they are never in a situation where they have to shoot anyone. There are a small, vocal subset of owners though, that seem like they have a fantasy about getting to shoot someone in a legal manner. These people frighten me, and I stay far away from them.
 
2013-12-01 06:32:45 PM

keytronic: mrlewish: RexTalionis:

Also why would someone be obligated to rely on 911 or anything like that since the police are not obligated to protect you?


I think the key fact you're failing to consider her is that Yosemite Sam wasn't protecting a damn thing.  What if this was a late house guest the neighbor was expecting?  Or some other person familiar to the owner who was not expected at that late hour but none the less welcome?

The lunatic shooter needs to be charged!


hahahaha and now he's rootinist, tutinist murderer in the..(checks article) deep south.
 
2013-12-01 06:33:58 PM

doglover: HotIgneous Intruder: What would a zombie with alzheimer's eat?

Ecto Cooler?


www.foodiggity.com

/R.I.P
//You will be missed sweet sweet nectar of the gods...
 
2013-12-01 06:34:54 PM
Of course it was legal, he's a law abiding gun owner.
 
2013-12-01 06:35:48 PM
A deputy had stopped the man about 30 minutes earlier when he saw he was out in cold (for Georgia) weather and not dressed for it. He spoke to the man who said he'd forgotten to get his mail and was wanted to get it before he went to bed. The deputy then drove off.
 
2013-12-01 06:36:54 PM
If you ask me they should have charged him with manslaughter if for no other reason he left a safe place and confronted the guy before shooting him, when there was ( to go by the article) was no apparent threat to his person or his family.

If it was a single shot i could possibly be a bit more sympathetic but he fired four.

The man should have made sure all doors were locked, windows also and waited inside for the cops.

No good excuse not to charge the shooter with manslaughter, not murder as that's clearly not the case.

Stand your ground should not apply in this case.
 
2013-12-01 06:37:30 PM

BadReligion: oldwolf49: walktoanarcade: Typical gun nut who couldn't wait to kill someone. I'm not ragging on typical gun owners, just the nuts.

The nuts cover about 90% anymore.

jaytkay: Good job, 2nd amendment "rights" enthusiasts. You got another consequence-free kill!

Most gun owners I know or have met are polite, easy going people who hope they are never in a situation where they have to shoot anyone. There are a small, vocal subset of owners though, that seem like they have a fantasy about getting to shoot someone in a legal manner. These people frighten me, and I stay far away from them.


You have to leave the comfort of your neighborhood to get a good cross section of the population now.
 
2013-12-01 06:37:40 PM
To the people that are trying to defend the shooter, fark you.  Fark you right up the arse.  You insufferable animals have no farking idea what Alzheimer's does to you.  I see it on a daily basis where I work, and you have no idea what those people go through.  I wouldn't wish Alzheimer's on my enemy.

But what I do wish is for this trigger-happy self-proclaimed vigilante retard to have that old man haunt his dreams for the rest of his life.  Despite having called the police, despite being safe and sound inside the house, this gleaming patriot of insanity decides to exercise his "2nd Amendment" rights, and for what?  To shoot one of the most harmless people that could have ever stumbled across his yard.  Fark him, and fark him for eternity.  I'm so mad right now that I would tell him right to his face that I seriously wish that the ghost of this man haunts him and drives him to the point of suicide.  And I wish that upon any "2nd Amendment Exerciser" that decides to shoot first and ask questions later.  Don't get me wrong, many are responsible gun owners, but there are many who are just like this asshole that decides he is now the law.  He deserves no mercy.

/rant over
 
2013-12-01 06:37:42 PM
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2013-12-01 06:38:11 PM

keytronic: mrlewish: RexTalionis:

Also why would someone be obligated to rely on 911 or anything like that since the police are not obligated to protect you?


I think the key fact you're failing to consider her is that Yosemite Sam wasn't protecting a damn thing.   What if this was a late house guest the neighbor was expecting?  Or some other person familiar to the owner who was not expected at that late hour but none the less welcome?

The lunatic shooter needs to be charged!


This is what bothers me; what if the guy was supposed to be at his neighbor's house.  The shooter had no right to tell him to stop doing anything, let alone shoot him because he didn't obey.  Police officers can't even do that w/o some immediate danger involved, can they?  Will the gun owner still be allowed to keep his gun permit after this?  Not trying to stir, btw, genuinely curious.
 
2013-12-01 06:38:15 PM
Also, the old an rang the doorbell of the man who shot him, not a neighbor. I'm not sure where everyone is getting that. This has been all over he news here.
 
2013-12-01 06:38:41 PM
The guy was probably doing his best Frank Cross impression: "Blamo! Ba-BLAM BAM BAM Baaaaam."

Then jacked off.

/with the gun
 
2013-12-01 06:39:46 PM
   Trayvon was a suspicious-looking character and should have cooperated with him.
 
2013-12-01 06:39:54 PM

oldwolf49: BadReligion: oldwolf49: walktoanarcade: Typical gun nut who couldn't wait to kill someone. I'm not ragging on typical gun owners, just the nuts.

The nuts cover about 90% anymore.

jaytkay: Good job, 2nd amendment "rights" enthusiasts. You got another consequence-free kill!

Most gun owners I know or have met are polite, easy going people who hope they are never in a situation where they have to shoot anyone. There are a small, vocal subset of owners though, that seem like they have a fantasy about getting to shoot someone in a legal manner. These people frighten me, and I stay far away from them.

You have to leave the comfort of your neighborhood to get a good cross section of the population now.


And you have to realize most of the population of gun owners will never, ever make the news, so you will never hear about them. I meet other gun owners all the time, online, and at various gun ranges I go to. How do you know the vast majority of these crazy gun nuts you are talking about? From news stories on the internet?
 
2013-12-01 06:40:18 PM

BadReligion: oldwolf49: walktoanarcade: Typical gun nut who couldn't wait to kill someone. I'm not ragging on typical gun owners, just the nuts.

The nuts cover about 90% anymore.

jaytkay: Good job, 2nd amendment "rights" enthusiasts. You got another consequence-free kill!

Most gun owners I know or have met are polite, easy going people who hope they are never in a situation where they have to shoot anyone. There are a small, vocal subset of owners though, that seem like they have a fantasy about getting to shoot someone in a legal manner. These people frighten me, and I stay far away from them.


Yeah most gun owners that anybody knows are responsible because how do you usually know someone is a gun owner? Usually you meet them at the range which at the very least means they are responsible enough to practice with their weapon.  It's pretty much the inverse of the 'all the pot smokers I know are idiots' thing.
 
2013-12-01 06:43:57 PM

BadReligion: oldwolf49: BadReligion: oldwolf49: walktoanarcade: Typical gun nut who couldn't wait to kill someone. I'm not ragging on typical gun owners, just the nuts.

The nuts cover about 90% anymore.

jaytkay: Good job, 2nd amendment "rights" enthusiasts. You got another consequence-free kill!

Most gun owners I know or have met are polite, easy going people who hope they are never in a situation where they have to shoot anyone. There are a small, vocal subset of owners though, that seem like they have a fantasy about getting to shoot someone in a legal manner. These people frighten me, and I stay far away from them.

You have to leave the comfort of your neighborhood to get a good cross section of the population now.

And you have to realize most of the population of gun owners will never, ever make the news, so you will never hear about them. I meet other gun owners all the time, online, and at various gun ranges I go to. How do you know the vast majority of these crazy gun nuts you are talking about? From news stories on the internet?


Was in Florida (I know) last year visiting a friend and her job involves meeting a lot of elderly 99% of which have concealed carry permits.  The most heard line from those that I met was "are ya packin' son?  cuz if ya aren't I got a spare just in case some nubian wants to get in your shiat"  I kid you not.  I am talking crazy gun nuts of ALL ages.
 
2013-12-01 06:44:33 PM

mrlewish: If that is they way you think than we have an actual obligation to not help our neighbor


You are under no legal obligation to help anyone (unless that is your job), no.
 
2013-12-01 06:44:34 PM

Gato Blanco: To the people that are trying to defend the shooter, fark you.  Fark you right up the arse.  You insufferable animals have no farking idea what Alzheimer's does to you.  I see it on a daily basis where I work, and you have no idea what those people go through.  I wouldn't wish Alzheimer's on my enemy.

But what I do wish is for this trigger-happy self-proclaimed vigilante retard to have that old man haunt his dreams for the rest of his life.  Despite having called the police, despite being safe and sound inside the house, this gleaming patriot of insanity decides to exercise his "2nd Amendment" rights, and for what?  To shoot one of the most harmless people that could have ever stumbled across his yard.  Fark him, and fark him for eternity.  I'm so mad right now that I would tell him right to his face that I seriously wish that the ghost of this man haunts him and drives him to the point of suicide.  And I wish that upon any "2nd Amendment Exerciser" that decides to shoot first and ask questions later.  Don't get me wrong, many are responsible gun owners, but there are many who are just like this asshole that decides he is now the law.  He deserves no mercy.

/rant over


I agree with you on most counts but if you work with people with Alzheimer's then you really should know how wrong this is.  Alzheimer's  patients are not always harmless and there have been many cases where patients with Alzheimer's have killed other aged patients, it's a growing problem.
 
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