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2013-12-01 02:01:22 PM
Yeah, the hundred or so times I've been there definitely ruined me on remaining on the mainland. Now I just need to talk my wife into moving there. *sigh*
 
2013-12-01 02:48:18 PM
I remember seeing several books along the line of "Don't move to Hawaii" last time I was in Honolulu
 
2013-12-01 03:01:55 PM

Stone Meadow: Yeah, the hundred or so times I've been there definitely ruined me on remaining on the mainland. Now I just need to talk my wife into moving there. *sigh*


Living there is a whole other story.  But if you must, avoid Oahu.
 
2013-12-01 03:03:43 PM

doyner: Stone Meadow: Yeah, the hundred or so times I've been there definitely ruined me on remaining on the mainland. Now I just need to talk my wife into moving there. *sigh*

Living there is a whole other story.  But if you must, avoid Oahu.


Agreed...and we are looking at the wet side of Hilo.
 
2013-12-01 03:09:55 PM
Meth. They forgot meth.
 
2013-12-01 03:25:48 PM
I thought about moving there a couple of times.. Kaiser Permanente was always running ads for network engineers back in the 90's.

The pay was about 3/4 of what I was making in LA, and the cost of living was about 30% higher.... even still it was tempting.
 
2013-12-01 03:30:07 PM
Featured Partner -- Hawaii Tourism?
 
2013-12-01 04:12:42 PM
My sister got transfed there by her job. She loved it for the first 3 months, and then hated it. Ended up threatening to quit unless they transferred her back to the mainland. I forget which island she was on, but she complained there was nothing to do after 3 months and everything was expensive. She now lives in Reno.
 
2013-12-01 04:15:12 PM

ShawnDoc: My sister got transfed there by her job. She loved it for the first 3 months, and then hated it. Ended up threatening to quit unless they transferred her back to the mainland. I forget which island she was on, but she complained there was nothing to do after 3 months and everything was expensive. She now lives in Reno.


LOLWUT?
 
2013-12-01 04:17:15 PM

doyner: Stone Meadow: Yeah, the hundred or so times I've been there definitely ruined me on remaining on the mainland. Now I just need to talk my wife into moving there. *sigh*

Living there is a whole other story.  But if you must, avoid Oahu.


Huh, that prompted me to look up Oahu, and lo and behold, my assumptions about where things are on Hawaii were completely wrong.  I've never been there, or really paid much attention to it, so I just assumed Honolulu and the other major cities were on the big island, and that the smaller ones were mostly little towns and nature reserves.
 
2013-12-01 04:34:36 PM
So not having work rule your life and great scenery are now bad things...

Lived there for 2 years. Loved it. Will be returning to a tropical island to live for good soon. But yes, DON'T DO IT. STAY AWAY.
 
2013-12-01 04:41:21 PM

mediablitz: So not having work rule your life and great scenery are now bad things...

Lived there for 2 years. Loved it. Will be returning to a tropical island to live for good soon. But yes, DON'T DO IT. STAY AWAY.


I could see it getting monotonous after a while.  I've lived in South Florida for the past seven or so years, and while there are nice things about the weather, over time warm and sunny every day just gets old.

Especially this time of year, when it's upper 70s or low 80s on Thanksgiving or Christmas, it just doesn't feel right.  Everything stays green, there's no scent of pine in the air, and Christmas lights on palm trees just aren't the same.

The rare days where it stays chilly, overcast, and windy all day long are a special treat just because they're different from day in day out sunshine.
 
2013-12-01 05:27:00 PM
The people I know who have lived there say it's damn near impossible for a mainlander to come in and do a job - it's a very insular culture, they will fark with you, and Cthulhu help you if you're a haole and have to supervise a Hawai'ian staff.

No thanks.
 
2013-12-01 05:41:04 PM

DanZero: Featured Partner -- Hawaii Tourism?


This. Screw this crap.
 
2013-12-01 06:06:21 PM
[Plug] tag busy hanging 10.
 
2013-12-01 06:28:48 PM
If you MOVE there then that is home................throws off the whole article doesn't it?
 
2013-12-01 06:29:05 PM
An interesting job came up in Hawaii and I'm thinking of applying.

/Is Canadian.
//The heat will probably kill me
 
2013-12-01 06:31:34 PM
If you're a 12 year old teenage girl, I suppose those animated gifs will really assure you that the article is gospel.
 
2013-12-01 06:32:20 PM

doyner: ShawnDoc: My sister got transfed there by her job. She loved it for the first 3 months, and then hated it. Ended up threatening to quit unless they transferred her back to the mainland. I forget which island she was on, but she complained there was nothing to do after 3 months and everything was expensive. She now lives in Reno.

LOLWUT?


Well, if she gets bored, at least she can drive somewhere else.

When you can drive around the island you are living on in less than an afternoon, you start to get a feel for how much you appreciate being able to just *GO* somewhere.  To put this in perspective, I was stationed on Oahu for 3 years.  It has an area of 597 square miles.  The county I currently live in has an area of approximately 900 square miles.  And I can leave the county without taking a boat or an airplane.
 
2013-12-01 06:34:07 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Especially this time of year, when it's upper 70s or low 80s on Thanksgiving or Christmas, it just doesn't feel right.


Indeed. We had a day back maybe halfway through October where I remarked to someone I had forgotten how late in the year we were and the drop in temperature reminded me. He agreed but we both knew we would forget again when the temperature went back. Lo' and behold, now December and I have a hard time realizing another semester for me and my students is coming to a close.
 
2013-12-01 06:34:39 PM
where is the the "thinly veiled advert" tag?
 
2013-12-01 06:36:06 PM
Buzzfeed style articles are ruining my life.
 
2013-12-01 06:37:48 PM
Rock fever.$8 gallons of milk.Hawaiian people are a$$holes.Islands are GREAT to visit, but living there gets old fast.
 
2013-12-01 06:38:36 PM

pedobearapproved: Buzzfeed style articles are ruining my life.


qft
 
2013-12-01 06:39:08 PM
The one person I know that retired to Hawaii recently purchased a condo in the SF Bay area so, "He can spend time where something is actually happening."
 
2013-12-01 06:40:32 PM
Been on island for ten years. Not looking back.
 
2013-12-01 06:40:40 PM

special20: If you're a 12 year old teenage girl, I suppose those animated gifs will really assure you that the article is gospel.


That pretty much sums up the mentality of huffington post readers.
/makes usa today look like prize-winning journalism
 
2013-12-01 06:41:31 PM
So basically, this "article" presumes that you are the sort of person who would rather be in touch with nature than man-made things, but also presumes that you've never ever actually been to nature because you ignorantly think city lights and a buzzing office are cool, and then once you, being this type of person, visit a place like Hawai'i that has crafted an image of having beautiful nature, you'll immediately realize your error all along and will never be able to function in your formerly cool surroundings ever again.  Amazing.

/Not that type of person. I'll keep my city lights and buzzing office job, TYVM.
//Might like to visit Hawai'i some day
 
2013-12-01 06:44:06 PM

dittybopper: doyner: ShawnDoc: My sister got transfed there by her job. She loved it for the first 3 months, and then hated it. Ended up threatening to quit unless they transferred her back to the mainland. I forget which island she was on, but she complained there was nothing to do after 3 months and everything was expensive. She now lives in Reno.

LOLWUT?

Well, if she gets bored, at least she can drive somewhere else.

When you can drive around the island you are living on in less than an afternoon, you start to get a feel for how much you appreciate being able to just *GO* somewhere.  To put this in perspective, I was stationed on Oahu for 3 years.  It has an area of 597 square miles.  The county I currently live in has an area of approximately 900 square miles.  And I can leave the county without taking a boat or an airplane.


You were a Schofield SubHuman (as Lee-Baby Sims on KDUK used to call 'em)? I was lucky, I got stationed at Barbers Point NAS, where we had the Marines to guard the base, the Navy to clean it, and the Army to fark it up. Also, I got to fly to the other islands multiple times a month, so rock fever wasn't as bad. I could live on Molokai, or on the Hilo side of the Big Island, if forced, I suppose.
 
2013-12-01 06:44:39 PM

ShawnDoc: she complained there was nothing to do after 3 months


My neice was the same. My theory is these are the same sort of people as those who get bored during retirement.
 
2013-12-01 06:45:39 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I thought about moving there a couple of times.. Kaiser Permanente was always running ads for network engineers back in the 90's.

The pay was about 3/4 of what I was making in LA, and the cost of living was about 30% higher.... even still it was tempting.


In my limited experience living in different cities I've found that if you've got a place with lower wages and higher cost of living it's usually an indicator that more people are willing to live there even though their financial situation won't be as easy.  High wages and low costs have meant that it's harder to get people to live there.

Extreme examples of that might be places like Boulder or Lake Tahoe.

/Just my anecdote
//not an economist
 
2013-12-01 06:46:03 PM
my dad was stationed in hawaii after the korean war. yeah he's old and so am i. anyway, where he was born you never never never put sugar on meat, veggies, etc. sugar was only meant to be in your dessert. he says it was the worse 2 years of his life. something like spam he will not eat and he says it was the almost the only stuff they served.
 
2013-12-01 06:46:25 PM

TuteTibiImperes: mediablitz: So not having work rule your life and great scenery are now bad things...

Lived there for 2 years. Loved it. Will be returning to a tropical island to live for good soon. But yes, DON'T DO IT. STAY AWAY.

I could see it getting monotonous after a while.  I've lived in South Florida for the past seven or so years, and while there are nice things about the weather, over time warm and sunny every day just gets old.

Especially this time of year, when it's upper 70s or low 80s on Thanksgiving or Christmas, it just doesn't feel right.  Everything stays green, there's no scent of pine in the air, and Christmas lights on palm trees just aren't the same.

The rare days where it stays chilly, overcast, and windy all day long are a special treat just because they're different from day in day out sunshine.


your post reminded me of one of my favorite christmas songs, White wine in the sun By Tim Minchin
It's sung from the prespective of a guy from Australia, living in London, and yearning for holidays of his youth. Of course, Down in Australia, the Holidays take place in the middle of the summer.

It's actually a quite lovely song
 
2013-12-01 06:46:49 PM
Heh.  Growing up on Oahu definitely skewed my sense of distance as a younger lad.  I was in Lake Tahoe as a high school kid, and the snow sucked (according to the folks we were hanging with), and we had a day with nothing to do.

So I say, "I've got friends in Montana, let's pop up there for the day!"

A very patient mainlander explained that it would be a very, very long drive...you know, more than an afternoon jaunt.

In all fairness, going from southern Oahu to the North Shore was widely regarded as an overnight excursion, with stops for snacks/supplies each way.   Total distance: around an 80 minutes.

/Yes, I was a bit slow for awhile
 
2013-12-01 06:50:36 PM
Yeah.....Rhode Island.
 
2013-12-01 06:52:55 PM
Did buzzfeed change it's name?
 
2013-12-01 06:54:11 PM
Lived in Honolulu for several years, traveled to Kauai, Maui, Lanai, and Big Island.  There is a lot I miss there, but overall, am glad to be back on the East Coast.

- The paradise tax - yes, lots of things are more expensive, but if you pick your residence carefully, you don't need heating and don't really need AC.  One winter jacket will last you a decade or more.  Business attire is an aloha shirt and good trousers, so one suit is enough and will last ages.  Food is cheap if you by local, but luxury items are steep.  Rent, houses, real estate is surreal estate when it comes to prices.  A hobo shack starts at $300,000.

- Nepotism - rampant.   These folks will give Chicago a run for its money as far as corruption goes.  Don't go there looking for work.  Have a job lined up with a contract signed, or go to college and intern if you hope to find work there.  What this white guy found was that an incompetent cousin is considered a better choice than a competent person you don't know.

-Bugs - it's the farkin' tropics.  What did you expect?  Down town Honolulu, and a cane spider decided to wake me up at 0200.  I didn't waste time finding out that it was harmless, I killed that
monstrous sumbiatch.  The cat kept the cockroaches and geckos down.  At work, I had to replace a laptop because there was an ant colony in the battery compartment.  And the centipedes on North Shore are amazing and horrifying.

- Entertainment.  Night life is good but expensive, and you'll use it up quickly if you're not careful.  OTOH, if you like surfing, swimming,
snorkeling, hiking, fishing, and bicycling, there is plenty to do, and it won't get old.

- "Island fever" for me was not the physical isolation so much.  High speed internet and a trip off island once or twice a year kept that at bay.  It was that I couldn't go anyplace without running into people I knew.  Usually several people I knew.  That made Oahu feel really crowded to me.

- Crazy traffic, but pretty good bus system.  The buses are heavily subsidized, so are a real
bargain and run frequently, but many locals are hesitant to use it as the other passengers can be a little hinky sometimes.

If it weren't for family on the East coast, and if I could find a decent job there, yes, I would go back.  But I don't miss it enough to drop things here.  And I really dig on the museums and history in the DC area.
 
2013-12-01 06:55:58 PM
A friend told me when she was in Hawaii with her husband, the cost of living was so high a larger percentage of people were on welfare compared to other states. She said it's just too expensive to get by there.
 
2013-12-01 06:57:32 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: You were a Schofield SubHuman (as Lee-Baby Sims on KDUK used to call 'em)? I was lucky, I got stationed at Barbers Point NAS, where we had the Marines to guard the base, the Navy to clean it, and the Army to fark it up. Also, I got to fly to the other islands multiple times a month, so rock fever wasn't as bad. I could live on Molokai, or on the Hilo side of the Big Island, if forced, I suppose.


Actually, I lived in A-Quad on Schofield and worked *UNDER* the pineapple fields.

At least, I *THINK* that's where I was.  It's all an alcohol-fueled blur of parties and Morse code.
 
2013-12-01 06:58:00 PM
Obviously enjoying life is anathema to HuffPo readers.
 
2013-12-01 06:58:12 PM

doyner: ShawnDoc: My sister got transfed there by her job. She loved it for the first 3 months, and then hated it. Ended up threatening to quit unless they transferred her back to the mainland. I forget which island she was on, but she complained there was nothing to do after 3 months and everything was expensive. She now lives in Reno.

LOLWUT?


Hour drive to Lake Tahoe, 3 hour drive to Sacramento, maybe 4 hours to Yosemite, keep going a couple hours past Yosemite and you're in the Sierras.  I'd live in Reno.
 
2013-12-01 06:58:49 PM
Here's a better list, from what I've heard from people who've been there:

1.  Hawaii is overpopulated and the locals are none too happy to have outsiders move in.
2.  There is no economy but tourism and therefore very few decent jobs.
3.  As if the lack of decent jobs wasn't enough, the cost of living is ridiculous.
4.  If you can somehow deal with the high cost of living, you'll encounter the ridiculous price of housing.
5.  Because of 2, 3, and 4, rich jerks make up a larger-than-average chunk of the population. And you're stuck on an island with them.
6.  Racism can be an issue.

That being said, I've certainly heard lots of good things about the place, too. But make sure you are either rich or have a great job lined up ahead of time, research the place, and know what you are getting yourself into.
 
2013-12-01 06:59:33 PM
dittybopper: ...I was stationed on Oahu for 3 years.

I was at Kaneohe Bay. I can attest to the claustrophobia that comes after a while.

/1st Bn 12th Marines Alpha Battery
//soldier in the core
 
2013-12-01 07:00:05 PM
A few things to remember about Hawaii. 1. they hate you, and only tolerate you for your cash. They hate you.
 
2013-12-01 07:01:41 PM
Also Hawaii's gun control must come straight from the Japanese influence; peasants must be disarmed.  Firearms are very hard to get and there are very few ranges.  OTOH Hawaii is archery friendly like no place else, and the hunting there (pigs and goats) is well suited for bow hunting.  There is a free archery range walking distance from Waikiki beach, behind the Honolulu zoo.  Show up, and play safe, and no one says a word.
 
2013-12-01 07:01:51 PM

starlost: my dad was stationed in hawaii after the korean war. yeah he's old and so am i. anyway, where he was born you never never never put sugar on meat, veggies, etc. sugar was only meant to be in your dessert.


Who the hell puts sugar on meat?
 
2013-12-01 07:03:51 PM

dittybopper: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: You were a Schofield SubHuman (as Lee-Baby Sims on KDUK used to call 'em)? I was lucky, I got stationed at Barbers Point NAS, where we had the Marines to guard the base, the Navy to clean it, and the Army to fark it up. Also, I got to fly to the other islands multiple times a month, so rock fever wasn't as bad. I could live on Molokai, or on the Hilo side of the Big Island, if forced, I suppose.

Actually, I lived in A-Quad on Schofield and worked *UNDER* the pineapple fields.

At least, I *THINK* that's where I was.  It's all an alcohol-fueled blur of parties and Morse code.


Heh... I used to party at Barbers Point AND Schofield. (Schofield was convinced I was an NCO since my ID said "Lance Corporal" and made me drink in the NCO club.)

Barbers Point was awesome because it was open god awful late and there was never a lack of.... dance partners.

/banned for life from Pearl harbor E-club 5 times.
 
2013-12-01 07:03:54 PM

ShawnDoc: My sister got transfed there by her job. She loved it for the first 3 months, and then hated it. Ended up threatening to quit unless they transferred her back to the mainland. I forget which island she was on, but she complained there was nothing to do after 3 months and everything was expensive. She now lives in Reno.


I think, she'd dig Provo.

i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-12-01 07:05:27 PM
A guy I know has been living there for several years. He is an Engineer with several degrees and a good retirement but living in Hawaii is so expensive that he got a job.....at a garbage drop off point. Thats all he could get.  He says the Hawaiians hate Caucasian Americans and treat them as if they are the  the lowest scum of society.
 
2013-12-01 07:07:41 PM

doyner: ShawnDoc: My sister got transfed there by her job. She loved it for the first 3 months, and then hated it. Ended up threatening to quit unless they transferred her back to the mainland. I forget which island she was on, but she complained there was nothing to do after 3 months and everything was expensive. She now lives in Reno.

LOLWUT?


Because apparently Reno is where it's at.

"Omigaaad.. if I have to see another perfect sunset or beautiful mountain covered in morning mist I'll puke! Put me some place dead, soulless and full of neon lights..."

/partial alliteration unintentional
//I have heard that living in Hawaii is ridiculously expensive and much of their workforce is reserved for indigenous locals, so I can't say I'd completely blame someone for wanting out. I just can't say that I'd be one of them.
 
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