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(Denver Post)   Q&A with The Post's new marijuana editor: "When recreational pot hits the Colorado streets on Jan. 1, 2014, the drug will be more legal here than anywhere else in the world. That's a tasty news story"   (blogs.denverpost.com) divider line 81
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2013-12-01 04:42:39 PM
Except the part about the feds?
I have a feeling the feds will be very selective in prosecution. They'll probably only go after the people they want but can't finger for other stuff (e.g., mafia)
 
2013-12-01 04:45:17 PM
What about clauses for drug-free employment, insurance, etc.? Would legal use still be prohibited?
 
2013-12-01 04:46:31 PM
Duuude, I read that as "more lethal here than anywhere else"

Guess I need to put down the bong.
 
2013-12-01 04:47:41 PM

hershy799: Except the part about the feds?
I have a feeling the feds will be very selective in prosecution. They'll probably only go after the people they want but can't finger for other stuff (e.g., mafia)


Don't forget political beliefs.
 
2013-12-01 04:47:45 PM

ultraholland: What about clauses for drug-free employment, insurance, etc.? Would legal use still be prohibited?


Just get a Whizzinator.
 
2013-12-01 04:48:50 PM
"Today's strain is strawberry cough and it's....ummm it's...................yeah".
 
2013-12-01 04:50:06 PM

ultraholland: What about clauses for drug-free employment, insurance, etc.? Would legal use still be prohibited?


That's going to be interesting to see.  Even with it's current illegal status there are companies that don't drug test and more or less tolerate it, while there are others going the other direction and banning tobacco use which has been perfectly legal forever.

There will probably be some places that allow it, and others that don't.  The lack of any reliable means to actually measure current THC intoxication is still a problem.  If there were a way to do it as easily and reliably as alcohol, it would probably make businesses more likely to allow it during employees' off hours since they could be tested at work to make sure they weren't coming in under the influence.
 
2013-12-01 04:51:51 PM
I would like to smoke marihuana right now.

That...that's all I have to contribute.
 
2013-12-01 04:53:29 PM
now lets watch useless arrests and non-violent crime rates drop like a stone.

i'm glad a state is finally willing to prove what we all know but that industrial interests fought against, out of greed, destroying families and forcing people to extreme lengths for basic, safe care.

Go, Colorado, go!
 
2013-12-01 04:55:23 PM
They're looking for freelancers
 
2013-12-01 04:55:55 PM

sobriquet by any other name: now lets watch useless arrests and non-violent crime rates drop like a stone.

i'm glad a state is finally willing to prove what we all know but that industrial interests fought against, out of greed, destroying families and forcing people to extreme lengths for basic, safe care.

Go, Colorado, go!


Also get ready for opponents of legalization to start spinning every little bit of data they can get their hands on like crazy to try to spread FUD that it isn't working.  They've already started with stoned driving scares, despite the fact that the increase in arrests is likely due to increased awareness and enforcement than an actual increase in the behavior.
 
2013-12-01 04:57:28 PM

TuteTibiImperes: ultraholland: What about clauses for drug-free employment, insurance, etc.? Would legal use still be prohibited?

That's going to be interesting to see.  Even with it's current illegal status there are companies that don't drug test and more or less tolerate it, while there are others going the other direction and banning tobacco use which has been perfectly legal forever.

There will probably be some places that allow it, and others that don't.  The lack of any reliable means to actually measure current THC intoxication is still a problem.  If there were a way to do it as easily and reliably as alcohol, it would probably make businesses more likely to allow it during employees' off hours since they could be tested at work to make sure they weren't coming in under the influence.


I hear this line over and over and over.  There is a test.  It uses saliva and it's been in use in Australia for YEARS.
 
2013-12-01 05:03:36 PM
Who brought some munchies?  Don't Bogart, dude.
 
2013-12-01 05:03:52 PM
FTFH: "...the drug will be more legal here than anywhere else in the world."

I thought legality was digital.... Either it is or it ain't....

/stupid me, I guess....
 
2013-12-01 05:06:25 PM

kendelrio: FTFH: "...the drug will be more legal here than anywhere else in the world."

I thought legality was digital.... Either it is or it ain't....

/stupid me, I guess....


Well, you have legal for medical use, but not recreational use, which would be some sort of in-between state between completely illegal and completely legal.  Beyond that it's just a matter of how regulated it is - can you legally grow your own, how and where can you buy it, where can you use it, what are the requirements to be able to legally use it, etc.
 
2013-12-01 05:06:52 PM

lewismarktwo: I hear this line over and over and over.  There is a test.  It uses saliva and it's been in use in Australia for YEARS.


Does it measure current intoxication or just presence in the body? Genuinely interested in how it works...
 
2013-12-01 05:07:21 PM

ultraholland: What about clauses for drug-free employment, insurance, etc.? Would legal use still be prohibited?


The law is written such that it ensures that business owners maintain their right to hire and fire whoever they choose for whatever reason they choose, excepting race, gender, or religion.
 
2013-12-01 05:08:43 PM

megarian: I would like to smoke marihuana right now.


the next BH is done hoping you get a chance to change that 'like to' into a "curently am"
 
2013-12-01 05:09:50 PM

mikeguyver: megarian: I would like to smoke marihuana right now.

the next BH is done hoping you get a chance to change that 'like to' into a "curently am"


I like that positivity! :)
 
2013-12-01 05:14:07 PM
I hope this works out in my favour.
 
GBB
2013-12-01 05:14:18 PM

ultraholland: What about clauses for drug-free employment, insurance, etc.? Would legal use still be prohibited?


Why not?  It's perfectly legal to weed out tobacco users and applicants that are unattractive.   Those are not protected attributes.
 
2013-12-01 05:18:02 PM
Cracks me right up, all the fuss.  Fact is, apart from the touists, the average amount smoked in the state will increase by a very small amount or might go down since you won't have to settle for ditch weed anymore but will get kind bud at 'fair' prices - at least it will be available in some communities.

Oh, I expect that the pants-wetters are going to do the twist and shout every time they can decry how legalization is bring the end of the world as we know it.  Apart from a few guys busted at one of the ski areas - and the dummies should have known better, there's not much happening around here.

It won't be more than a few years before this entire war on weed is over and done and we will look back and wonder WTF the fuss was all about.  Heck, with a bit of luck, we will look back on it as a really good idea - if the predictions about alcohol consumption pan out.

Given all the concern over people going to work stoned:  Do you also worry about your drunk co-workers?  The guy who has three shots of vodka in his morning OJ?  How about the executive having a few over his two hour lunch?  More people admit to drinking than smoking cannabis - about three times as many actually.
 
2013-12-01 05:18:34 PM
A guy named Baca took this job?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik

/oblig.
 
2013-12-01 05:20:12 PM

GBB: ultraholland: What about clauses for drug-free employment, insurance, etc.? Would legal use still be prohibited?

Why not?  It's perfectly legal to weed out tobacco users and applicants that are unattractive.   Those are not protected attributes.


Though on the bright side marijuana legalization might help spur some laws to change that.  Tobacco users are so used to being shiat on at this point that they don't have much fight left.  Legalized marijuana on the other hand is gaining steam consistently, and the proponents have a lot of energy and momentum.  I'd love to see legislation that employers are prohibited from making hiring or firing decisions based on legal behavior by that employee while off the clock, and provided that employees to not show up at work under the influence.

An employer should be within their rights to ban smoking (whether cigarettes, marijuana, or both) while on the job and/or on their premises, but they shouldn't have the right to tell you you can't smoke a cigarette or a joint at home.
 
2013-12-01 05:23:26 PM
bmwericus:

Oh, I expect that the pants-wetters are going to do the twist and shout every time they can decry how legalization is bring the end of the world as we know it.  Apart from a few guys busted at one of the ski areas - and the dummies should have known better, there's not much happening around here.

Twist and Shout.  That's something I miss a lot since moving.
 
2013-12-01 05:31:11 PM

tuna fingers: bmwericus:

Oh, I expect that the pants-wetters are going to do the twist and shout every time they can decry how legalization is bring the end of the world as we know it.  Apart from a few guys busted at one of the ski areas - and the dummies should have known better, there's not much happening around here.

Twist and Shout.  That's something I miss a lot since moving.


And Across-The-Tracks.  Damn I'm really missing home right now.  I want to move back to CO badly.

Not Fort Collins, though.  They blew it.  I'll never set foot there again.
 
2013-12-01 05:32:03 PM
I was amped to pen a puff piece because I got high.

/Spliffy
 
2013-12-01 05:32:35 PM
Everything's better with a bag-o-weed.
 
2013-12-01 05:37:18 PM
I've never been out of pot in 30+ years of use. (Nice work War on Drugs)
Now I can probably count on that forever.

/Denver resident.
 
2013-12-01 05:43:27 PM

radarlove: tuna fingers: bmwericus:

Oh, I expect that the pants-wetters are going to do the twist and shout every time they can decry how legalization is bring the end of the world as we know it.  Apart from a few guys busted at one of the ski areas - and the dummies should have known better, there's not much happening around here.

Twist and Shout.  That's something I miss a lot since moving.

And Across-The-Tracks.  Damn I'm really missing home right now.  I want to move back to CO badly.

Not Fort Collins, though.  They blew it.  I'll never set foot there again.


WaxTrax/Across the Trax - after college I lived at 13th and Washington.  Loved it right there at Cap Hill.  Those were the best years of my life.
What did FOCO do to you?
 
2013-12-01 05:44:29 PM

radarlove: tuna fingers: bmwericus:

Oh, I expect that the pants-wetters are going to do the twist and shout every time they can decry how legalization is bring the end of the world as we know it.  Apart from a few guys busted at one of the ski areas - and the dummies should have known better, there's not much happening around here.

Twist and Shout.  That's something I miss a lot since moving.

And Across-The-Tracks.  Damn I'm really missing home right now.  I want to move back to CO badly.

Not Fort Collins, though.  They blew it.  I'll never set foot there again.


Pity about FC, but fact is, outside the ski counties and Denver, the state is pretty conservative.  That A64 passed shows the total voting block of the Denver Metro area.

I'm pretty sure that Federal legalization is just not that far away now.  It's going to be hard in a couple more years to justify it remaining on Schedule I and the profits to be made in legal weed should overcome the moral objections of those on the fence..

I want to remind everyone though, that we need to be compassionate to those on the losing side, particuarly the anti-drug warriors who may lose their jobs as a result of legalization.  I really feel that some of the tax dollars collected should be used to offer these poor addicts wean themselves from that scourge, drug money...I think that we should offer them retraining, perhaps in the growing field of growing cannabis for retail sale.  Then their efforts could go for good rather than ill.
 
2013-12-01 05:50:47 PM

Gothnet: lewismarktwo: I hear this line over and over and over.  There is a test.  It uses saliva and it's been in use in Australia for YEARS.

Does it measure current intoxication or just presence in the body? Genuinely interested in how it works...



My employer uses the saliva test for random testing. It only detects pot within a few hours of using. We had a guy that smoked the night before and passed the saliva test. Most employers use that type of testing because it is cheaper and quicker. My guess is they dont care what you do in your free time, just dont smoke on your way to work.
 
2013-12-01 05:56:03 PM
I think that marijuana legalization will have about the same profound social effects as the legalization of same-sex marriage.

[  ] Everyone will be forced to participate.
[  ] Meteor strikes spelling REPENT across North America.
[  ] Dogs and cats living together.
[X] Zero.
 
2013-12-01 05:56:17 PM
The quote from HR in there is a bit of a smokescreen (pun intended.)

No one gets hired at the Post without passing a drug screening. They don't keep up random testing, but if a new writer were hired for this beat instead of a guy already on staff, they most certainly would have to pee in a cup.
 
2013-12-01 05:58:26 PM
They will be doing it every time this happens:

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/Report-Fla-Driver-Tweets-2-Drunk- 2- Care-Right-Before-Deadly-Wreck-233084851.html

What's worse they will have voter power and money to do it. They also have something worse a dead child that makes people really really really activisty.  Also you guys just opened up a huge can of worms and investigative journalism that will lead to certain pot places be shut down because they sold to minors. OR  Sold the pot to the guy who killed a family of three who was also on antidepressants.

If I said it once I will say it again. Pot is for people who don't deal with their problems in reality at hand. Sure you legalized something that was already legally being used in medicine for years. You can tell me all you want about studies and stuff. But normal people know this is going to cause more deaths, more accidents, more drugged out homeless vets and it's going to happen more often and more people will be injured or die because of pot intoxication. You also will be jacking the retail price up to possibly a grand a bag with taxes and other charges as well. So only the rich can enjoy it.

Enjoy your pot.
 
2013-12-01 05:58:30 PM

ultraholland: What about clauses for drug-free employment, insurance, etc.? Would legal use still be prohibited?


typically employers want to make sure a job seeker is not a daily drunk, junkie, crackhead, things of this nature. of course they would tighten right down on anyone using machinery, heavy equipment, driving etcetera. you can bet that insurance companies will require blood tests results for any and every event an employee needs emergency care. not paying out is an insurance companies #1 concern.
 
2013-12-01 06:00:58 PM
How could it be more legal in CO than say international waters or the handful countries which have zero drug laws or totally broken enforcement?  Hyperbole....man.
 
2013-12-01 06:02:19 PM

alice_600: They will be doing it every time this happens:

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/Report-Fla-Driver-Tweets-2-Drunk- 2- Care-Right-Before-Deadly-Wreck-233084851.html

What's worse they will have voter power and money to do it. They also have something worse a dead child that makes people really really really activisty.  Also you guys just opened up a huge can of worms and investigative journalism that will lead to certain pot places be shut down because they sold to minors. OR  Sold the pot to the guy who killed a family of three who was also on antidepressants.

If I said it once I will say it again. Pot is for people who don't deal with their problems in reality at hand. Sure you legalized something that was already legally being used in medicine for years. You can tell me all you want about studies and stuff. But normal people know this is going to cause more deaths, more accidents, more drugged out homeless vets and it's going to happen more often and more people will be injured or die because of pot intoxication. You also will be jacking the retail price up to possibly a grand a bag with taxes and other charges as well. So only the rich can enjoy it.

Enjoy your pot.


I am not stoned, but reading this post made me question that for a moment.
 
2013-12-01 06:03:36 PM

alice_600: They will be doing it every time this happens:

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/Report-Fla-Driver-Tweets-2-Drunk- 2- Care-Right-Before-Deadly-Wreck-233084851.html

What's worse they will have voter power and money to do it. They also have something worse a dead child that makes people really really really activisty.  Also you guys just opened up a huge can of worms and investigative journalism that will lead to certain pot places be shut down because they sold to minors. OR  Sold the pot to the guy who killed a family of three who was also on antidepressants.

If I said it once I will say it again. Pot is for people who don't deal with their problems in reality at hand. Sure you legalized something that was already legally being used in medicine for years. You can tell me all you want about studies and stuff. But normal people know this is going to cause more deaths, more accidents, more drugged out homeless vets and it's going to happen more often and more people will be injured or die because of pot intoxication. You also will be jacking the retail price up to possibly a grand a bag with taxes and other charges as well. So only the rich can enjoy it.

Enjoy your pot.


Will do, thanks for sharing!
 
2013-12-01 06:10:35 PM
Thread just took a hard turn towards Depessing Ville pop that one chick.
 
2013-12-01 06:11:24 PM
That's p-farking snazzy.
In violation of federal law, no less.

/Just another excuse for Coloradoers to be arrogant.
 
2013-12-01 06:12:59 PM
My hope is that when nothing really happens, people will realize how silly the prohibition of pot really is.

It's no worse than beer or wine and arguably less harmful than either.
 
2013-12-01 06:22:37 PM

ultraholland: What about clauses for drug-free employment, insurance, etc.? Would legal use still be prohibited?


Problem is, in the grand scheme of things there's no such thing as legal use of pot in the US and this won't change until it is removed from being a schedule 1 controlled substance. All state laws do is keep the local police from hassling users. The feds can (and do) still raid grow ops and dispensaries in states where pot is "legal" as state laws cannot supersede federal. So yes, insurance and employment can both dictate that persons not use THC as it is still technically illegal to do so.
 
2013-12-01 06:28:59 PM

alice_600: They will be doing it every time this happens:

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/Report-Fla-Driver-Tweets-2-Drunk- 2- Care-Right-Before-Deadly-Wreck-233084851.html

What's worse they will have voter power and money to do it. They also have something worse a dead child that makes people really really really activisty.  Also you guys just opened up a huge can of worms and investigative journalism that will lead to certain pot places be shut down because they sold to minors. OR  Sold the pot to the guy who killed a family of three who was also on antidepressants.

If I said it once I will say it again. Pot is for people who don't deal with their problems in reality at hand. Sure you legalized something that was already legally being used in medicine for years. You can tell me all you want about studies and stuff. But normal people know this is going to cause more deaths, more accidents, more drugged out homeless vets and it's going to happen more often and more people will be injured or die because of pot intoxication. You also will be jacking the retail price up to possibly a grand a bag with taxes and other charges as well. So only the rich can enjoy it.

Enjoy your pot.


Can I presume then that you are working equally hard to bring back prohibition of alcohol?
 
2013-12-01 06:36:35 PM
Fine. It's legal now. Does this mean potheads will finally find something else to talk about? Because honestly, stoners are the dullest conversationalists this side of TEA partiers. And what sucks about it is that they think they're deep and interesting when really, most of us are sick of hearing about their pet cause all the damned time.
 
2013-12-01 06:38:58 PM

ZeroCorpse: Fine. It's legal now. Does this mean potheads will finally find something else to talk about? Because honestly, stoners are the dullest conversationalists this side of TEA partiers. And what sucks about it is that they think they're deep and interesting when really, most of us are sick of hearing about their pet cause all the damned time.


FYI - Not all people who smoke pot are stoners.
 
2013-12-01 06:39:42 PM

lewismarktwo: TuteTibiImperes: ultraholland: What about clauses for drug-free employment, insurance, etc.? Would legal use still be prohibited?

That's going to be interesting to see.  Even with it's current illegal status there are companies that don't drug test and more or less tolerate it, while there are others going the other direction and banning tobacco use which has been perfectly legal forever.

There will probably be some places that allow it, and others that don't.  The lack of any reliable means to actually measure current THC intoxication is still a problem.  If there were a way to do it as easily and reliably as alcohol, it would probably make businesses more likely to allow it during employees' off hours since they could be tested at work to make sure they weren't coming in under the influence.

I hear this line over and over and over.  There is a test.  It uses saliva and it's been in use in Australia for YEARS.


Measuring levels of active ingredients or metabolites isn't the same as measuring intoxication, and there aren't much data to draw a clear line at what constitutes 'intoxication' for most people. Unlike alcohol, which reliably produces characteristic motor deficits at higher levels of intoxication (due to effects of alcohol on the cerebellum), allowing for field sobriety tests, similar deficits don't necessarily occur in marijuana, nor are any reliable effects highly characterized in the literature, to my knowledge. Nor are any markers that can commonly be used (red eyes, for instance) very selective for marijuana use. I think in the context of a job, what matters more is if any drug use affects drug performance. If so, steer the employee into treatment.
 
2013-12-01 06:44:43 PM

RockofAges: ZeroCorpse: Fine. It's legal now. Does this mean potheads will finally find something else to talk about? Because honestly, stoners are the dullest conversationalists this side of TEA partiers. And what sucks about it is that they think they're deep and interesting when really, most of us are sick of hearing about their pet cause all the damned time.

And THIS is supposed to be original? You're one of the most constantly-wrong / constantly-contrarian posters on Fark. We're supposed to take anything you say seriously?


I just assumed it was a bot Drew uses to get people to respond for more page views.
 
2013-12-01 06:46:59 PM

ZeroCorpse: Fine. It's legal now. Does this mean potheads will finally find something else to talk about? Because honestly, stoners are the dullest conversationalists this side of TEA partiers. And what sucks about it is that they think they're deep and interesting when really, most of us are sick of hearing about their pet cause all the damned time.


I feel this way about sports fans. Pretty obnoxious to be around one dimensional people with only a single talking point. Like being stuck in one of those boring little villages in an early Final Fantasy game.

My stoner friends talk about history and science, although I agree they are far more interesting and coherent when sober.
 
2013-12-01 06:50:40 PM

TuteTibiImperes: a really useful explanation


Thanks for the clarification.
 
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