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2013-12-01 03:11:40 PM  
If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?
 
2013-12-01 03:21:23 PM  

cmunic8r99: If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?


Seriously, if that happens, it's going to be one of the stupidest penalties in the history of the league.  The officials have the authority to award points if they think the sideline infraction took points away--they didn't, because it didn't.  And while it's certainly pretty unlikely his "Who?  Me?" defense is honest, there's no smoking leg like in the jets game a couple years back.
 
2013-12-01 03:22:58 PM  

cmunic8r99: If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?


Because rubber is inanimate and does not stand well on football field conditions.

/I know it's an autocorrect mistake, but I couldn't resist.
 
2013-12-01 03:27:13 PM  

cmunic8r99: If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?


It's true the runner would not have scored, but sometimes you need to seriously kick the offender in balls, hard, to make sure no one else tries it thinking they'll get away with it.

Same goes for Jason Kidd.  He should be sitting out a week for his spill a drink stunt.
 
2013-12-01 03:31:00 PM  

InfrasonicTom: cmunic8r99: If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?

It's true the runner would not have scored, but sometimes you need to seriously kick the offender in balls, hard, to make sure no one else tries it thinking they'll get away with it.

Same goes for Jason Kidd.  He should be sitting out a week for his spill a drink stunt.


Yeah, but what they'd be doing is effectively guessing he did it on purpose.  When it happened in the jets game game, you could freaking see the dude stick his leg out right before the runner got to him.  In this, all you have is a coach looking stupidly up at the jumbo tron and then leaping out of the way.  Did he mean to get in the way?  More than likely, yeah.  But it'd be pretty shiatty to take a draft pick away based on a "more than likely"
 
2013-12-01 03:31:40 PM  
Last year or before, the Steelers were using the no huddle to drive on the Ravens, who were out of time outs. Between plays, Harbaugh threw the challenge flag, claiming he had no idea what down it was despite there being an official with the down indicator standing about 8 feet away. As the referees stopped the game to tell him that he couldn't use the challenge flag for that, the Ravens sent fresh players out onto the field. After the game, Harbaugh openly laughed about how he got around the rules. No fine, no lost draft picks.
 
2013-12-01 03:32:26 PM  
This was allowed to happen due to the NFL and Refs allowing coaches to do what they want on the sidelines without flags being thrown. All years coaches are in the white and pretty much walking out onto the field after every place. 

The refs have lost control of the games and the coaches think they are the superstars.
 
2013-12-01 03:34:09 PM  

InfrasonicTom: cmunic8r99: If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?

It's true the runner would might not have scored, but sometimes you need to seriously kick the offender in balls, hard, to make sure no one else tries it thinking they'll get away with it.

Same goes for Jason Kidd.  He should be sitting out a week for his spill a drink stunt.


It's the NFL, anything can happen.  What matters more is the yardage differential, if he would have gotten even a few more yards, it's material.  But defenders miss tackles all the time, it could have been a TD, who knows now?
 
2013-12-01 03:34:23 PM  
Six figure fine. No draft pick.
 
2013-12-01 03:35:16 PM  
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2013-12-01 03:38:07 PM  

rjakobi: cmunic8r99: If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?

Because rubber is inanimate and does not stand well on football field conditions.

/I know it's an autocorrect mistake, but I couldn't resist.


Ha! Didn't even notice.
 
2013-12-01 03:38:11 PM  

CalvinMorallis: InfrasonicTom: cmunic8r99: If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?

It's true the runner would not have scored, but sometimes you need to seriously kick the offender in balls, hard, to make sure no one else tries it thinking they'll get away with it.

Same goes for Jason Kidd.  He should be sitting out a week for his spill a drink stunt.

Yeah, but what they'd be doing is effectively guessing he did it on purpose.  When it happened in the jets game game, you could freaking see the dude stick his leg out right before the runner got to him.  In this, all you have is a coach looking stupidly up at the jumbo tron and then leaping out of the way.  Did he mean to get in the way?  More than likely, yeah.  But it'd be pretty shiatty to take a draft pick away based on a "more than likely"


CalvinMorallis: InfrasonicTom: cmunic8r99: If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?

It's true the runner would not have scored, but sometimes you need to seriously kick the offender in balls, hard, to make sure no one else tries it thinking they'll get away with it.

Same goes for Jason Kidd.  He should be sitting out a week for his spill a drink stunt.

Yeah, but what they'd be doing is effectively guessing he did it on purpose.  When it happened in the jets game game, you could freaking see the dude stick his leg out right before the runner got to him.  In this, all you have is a coach looking stupidly up at the jumbo tron and then leaping out of the way.  Did he mean to get in the way?  More than likely, yeah.  But it'd be pretty shiatty to take a draft pick away based on a "more than likely"

 
2013-12-01 03:40:51 PM  

CalvinMorallis: InfrasonicTom: cmunic8r99: If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?

It's true the runner would not have scored, but sometimes you need to seriously kick the offender in balls, hard, to make sure no one else tries it thinking they'll get away with it.

Same goes for Jason Kidd.  He should be sitting out a week for his spill a drink stunt.

Yeah, but what they'd be doing is effectively guessing he did it on purpose.  When it happened in the jets game game, you could freaking see the dude stick his leg out right before the runner got to him.  In this, all you have is a coach looking stupidly up at the jumbo tron and then leaping out of the way.  Did he mean to get in the way?  More than likely, yeah.  But it'd be pretty shiatty to take a draft pick away based on a "more than likely"


Whoops.

Anyway, if the penalty is trong enough, and a six-figure fine and draft pick is plenty ok by me, he'll be DAMN SURE not to let that happen in the future.  Play bullshiat games, get your ass handed to you as a result.  Heavier fines are definitely needed for crap like this.
 
2013-12-01 03:41:28 PM  

cmunic8r99: If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?


They would have had to notice there was a foul first...
 
2013-12-01 03:44:19 PM  
this is not good. it will get most of the Steeler fanbase in an outrage against Goodell instead of focusing on the fact that Tomlin is a clueless clown who has just given more evidence why he needs to get shiatcanned.
 
2013-12-01 03:52:21 PM  
Losing a draft pick is stupid. So probably the option Goodell will go for
 
2013-12-01 04:04:58 PM  
As a Ravens' fan, I think the draft pick is too much. Granted, I might feel differently had we lost.
 
2013-12-01 04:05:18 PM  
Jones should've dropped the shoulder and barreled into Tomlin. Do a full 5 yard rolling flop, and see those flags come out.
 
2013-12-01 04:24:10 PM  
 
2013-12-01 04:26:40 PM  

Leader O'Cola: this is not good. it will get most of the Steeler fanbase in an outrage against Goodell instead of focusing on the fact that Tomlin is a clueless clown who has just given more evidence why he needs to get shiatcanned.


He's been coaching for what, 7 or 8 years now, right?  If the Steelers have a losing record this year (which they probably will, but it's not guaranteed), Mike Tomlin will have the same number of Super Bowl wins as losing seasons in his career and he will only have one losing season in a span of 7 or 8 years.  Do you really think that is a resume that should get a coach fired?  If so, it's a good thing the Rooney's don't listen to the fans for personnel decisions or they would look a lot like the team in their division that does (or at least did under old management).
 
2013-12-01 04:27:46 PM  

Triumph: Mike Tomlin jumps out of the way of various things


Good idea, bad execution.
 
2013-12-01 04:28:21 PM  

Leader O'Cola: this is not good. it will get most of the Steeler fanbase in an outrage against Goodell instead of focusing on the fact that Tomlin is a clueless clown who has just given more evidence why he needs to get shiatcanned.


They should fire him and replace him with one of the many Super Bowl winning coaches available.

/they don't suck because of Tomlin...this was dumb but hardly a reason to fire him
//and if you know anything about the Steelers you'd know they aren't going to fire him
 
2013-12-01 04:30:30 PM  

INeedAName: As a Ravens' fan, I think the draft pick is too much. Granted, I might feel differently had we lost.


That's the point. Had it changed the outcome, the shiatstorm would have been immense. The NFL can't let this happen again.
 
2013-12-01 04:31:53 PM  

llortcM_yllort: Triumph: Mike Tomlin jumps out of the way of various things

Good idea, bad execution.


I like the exploding whale one.
 
2013-12-01 04:40:14 PM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: [scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x467]


*applauds*
 
2013-12-01 04:46:21 PM  

Triumph: INeedAName: As a Ravens' fan, I think the draft pick is too much. Granted, I might feel differently had we lost.

That's the point. Had it changed the outcome, the shiatstorm would have been immense. The NFL can't let this happen again.


So, Jeff Gordon is the 6th seed in the AFC?
 
2013-12-01 04:47:59 PM  
Draft pick? Sure.

But in this age of revolving door players released and signed on waivers, will it make a difference?
 
2013-12-01 04:54:07 PM  
Fark the Stillers and Pittsburgh, but a draft pick is a bit much. He deserves a mega-fine though.
 
2013-12-01 04:56:43 PM  

Triumph: INeedAName: As a Ravens' fan, I think the draft pick is too much. Granted, I might feel differently had we lost.

That's the point. Had it changed the outcome, the shiatstorm would have been immense. The NFL can't let this happen again.


Plus, according to various sources, the NFL sent out a video to every team the day before, warning coaches "don't stand in the sideline stripe". So this may be a "we warned you, you ignored the warning, now we're going to come down on you like the hammer of Thor" sort of thing.
 
2013-12-01 04:57:22 PM  
The NFL should just toss Tomlin into a room with Richie Incognito, so Richie can administer some harsh language.
 
2013-12-01 05:07:05 PM  

llortcM_yllort: Leader O'Cola: this is not good. it will get most of the Steeler fanbase in an outrage against Goodell instead of focusing on the fact that Tomlin is a clueless clown who has just given more evidence why he needs to get shiatcanned.

He's been coaching for what, 7 or 8 years now, right?  If the Steelers have a losing record this year (which they probably will, but it's not guaranteed), Mike Tomlin will have the same number of Super Bowl wins as losing seasons in his career and he will only have one losing season in a span of 7 or 8 years.  Do you really think that is a resume that should get a coach fired?  If so, it's a good thing the Rooney's don't listen to the fans for personnel decisions or they would look a lot like the team in their division that does (or at least did under old management).


They won that SB in spite of Tomlin.  Now that the cap-hell (and a few unlucky drafts) associated with keeping the "window" open with the core roster has closed, you are seeing exactly what Tomlin is.  A terrible coach who will stoop to any bush-league level to try and win.
 
2013-12-01 05:19:58 PM  
Watch the video embedded here:
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Mike-Tomlin-Interferes -W ith-Potential-Touchdown/c3f47606-c8d3-4dfd-9f0a-26a55a610d20

Look at his eyes during the field-level replay (around :42).  He knows exactly what he's doing, he's watching the play out of the corner of his eye, he's not looking anywhere near the jumbotron.
 
2013-12-01 05:31:29 PM  

CalvinMorallis: InfrasonicTom: cmunic8r99: If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?

It's true the runner would not have scored, but sometimes you need to seriously kick the offender in balls, hard, to make sure no one else tries it thinking they'll get away with it.

Same goes for Jason Kidd.  He should be sitting out a week for his spill a drink stunt.

Yeah, but what they'd be doing is effectively guessing he did it on purpose.  When it happened in the jets game game, you could freaking see the dude stick his leg out right before the runner got to him.  In this, all you have is a coach looking stupidly up at the jumbo tron and then leaping out of the way.  Did he mean to get in the way?  More than likely, yeah.  But it'd be pretty shiatty to take a draft pick away based on a "more than likely"


Oh he was daydreaming and/or looking at the jumbotron of a play running down his own sideline?  There is no 'more than likely' about it...he was screwing around and thought he was being cute and clever.  He got over on the refs, but not on the league. 

This should fix the whole 'sideline coaches accidentally the whole play' shenanigans.
 
2013-12-01 05:40:15 PM  
Maybe he could get the same penalty as Sean Peyton got last year. But then the Stillers would probably make Haley the interim head coach.
 
2013-12-01 05:41:05 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: CalvinMorallis: InfrasonicTom: cmunic8r99: If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?

It's true the runner would not have scored, but sometimes you need to seriously kick the offender in balls, hard, to make sure no one else tries it thinking they'll get away with it.

Same goes for Jason Kidd.  He should be sitting out a week for his spill a drink stunt.

Yeah, but what they'd be doing is effectively guessing he did it on purpose.  When it happened in the jets game game, you could freaking see the dude stick his leg out right before the runner got to him.  In this, all you have is a coach looking stupidly up at the jumbo tron and then leaping out of the way.  Did he mean to get in the way?  More than likely, yeah.  But it'd be pretty shiatty to take a draft pick away based on a "more than likely"

Whoops.

Anyway, if the penalty is trong enough, and a six-figure fine and draft pick is plenty ok by me, he'll be DAMN SURE not to let that happen in the future.  Play bullshiat games, get your ass handed to you as a result.  Heavier fines are definitely needed for crap like this.


Unless the NFL could prove he did it on purpose which they cant, fine him and be done with it. If tomlin or anyone else on the steeler sideline does it again, fine them a higher amount and then take the draft pick.
 
2013-12-01 05:48:51 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Dr Jack Badofsky: CalvinMorallis: InfrasonicTom: cmunic8r99: If it was that serious an infraction, why didn't they award the rubber the touchdown outright?

It's true the runner would not have scored, but sometimes you need to seriously kick the offender in balls, hard, to make sure no one else tries it thinking they'll get away with it.

Same goes for Jason Kidd.  He should be sitting out a week for his spill a drink stunt.

Yeah, but what they'd be doing is effectively guessing he did it on purpose.  When it happened in the jets game game, you could freaking see the dude stick his leg out right before the runner got to him.  In this, all you have is a coach looking stupidly up at the jumbo tron and then leaping out of the way.  Did he mean to get in the way?  More than likely, yeah.  But it'd be pretty shiatty to take a draft pick away based on a "more than likely"

Whoops.

Anyway, if the penalty is trong enough, and a six-figure fine and draft pick is plenty ok by me, he'll be DAMN SURE not to let that happen in the future.  Play bullshiat games, get your ass handed to you as a result.  Heavier fines are definitely needed for crap like this.

Unless the NFL could prove he did it on purpose which they cant, fine him and be done with it. If tomlin or anyone else on the steeler sideline does it again, fine them a higher amount and then take the draft pick.


I thought the league sent a message to the teams after the Jets incident?  Oh wait, every team gets a freebie (smallish fine notwithstanding) to pull one of these things? 

Nope, not really, the fine will be larger than the Jets one and there will be more severe additional penalties since obviously the message wasn't received.
 
2013-12-01 05:53:13 PM  
Really? This is really as bad as the Pats and Saints caught cheating for a Superbowl(s)?
 
2013-12-01 06:00:18 PM  

js34603: //and if you know anything about the Steelers you'd know they aren't going to fire him


I would ask the Rooneys to fire him but the last time I wanted a Steelers coach to be fired we ended up with Todd Haley. I've learned my farking lesson.

And for the record, I've been looking for him to be fired for several years, including before the loss to Green Bay Superb Owl year. He is not head coaching material, and, as bad as it might sound, is the personification of the Rooney Rule.

asmodeus224: Oh he was daydreaming and/or looking at the jumbotron of a play running down his own sideline?


Omar does not watch the games, even on the Jumbotron. Why would he? He has no capability to adjust so he just hopes the game plan works. If it doesn't, oh well, Old Man Rooney isn't going to fire him.

IMHO the Steelers might as well start at the top. Tomlin, Haley, LeBeau, OL, DL, and secondary all need to be replaced. I don't have much of problem with LeBeau but he's going to retire soon so if they're going to rebuild might as well do it with a new DC. Might as well draft a QB while they're at it. By the time this team is decent again Ben will be retired!
 
2013-12-01 06:00:19 PM  

digistil: Really? This is really as bad as the Pats and Saints caught cheating for a Superbowl(s)?


Of course it is, the posters are all Ratbird fans and Steelers haters. Nothing worse has ever happened in the history of the NFL.

He should be fined, because whether or not it was intentional it broke the rules. Jones wasn't gone, he was going to be caught, and Tomlin's immediate reaction indicated to me that he wasn't paying attention to where he was and drifted too far. However, that's no excuse, so a fine is coming.

But a draft pick? That's silly. A suspension? That's a joke.
 
2013-12-01 06:09:22 PM  
We watched this game here in Pittsburgh and I don't recall any attention being given to it when it happened, by officials, or the announcers.

I also don't remember any of the announcers or officials saying anything about the head-to-head hit that knocked off Leveon Bell's helmet at the end of the game. They said  a lot about the helmet, which led to a touchdown being overturned, but nobody suggested that the head-to-head hit was illegal.

Fan consensus was, "of course there was no flag, and there'll be no fine, because someone did it to the Steelers." The perception here - right or wrong - is that Goodell and the league administration is out to get the team, for whatever reason (some say because Rooney is too pro-player; others think it's something silly like jealousy or too much success in too small a market).
 
2013-12-01 06:09:32 PM  

digistil: Really? This is really as bad as the Pats and Saints caught cheating for a Superbowl(s)?


A player running a 4.4 down the sidelines is in serious danger of injury if some 250 lb lard ass steps in front of him.  As is the lardass doing the stepping out in front of him.  not to mention the aspects of interfering with a play that goes along with it. 

It is different than those two things you highlighted, but it is no less dangerous to players health and the integrity of the competition.  A player running a 4.4 down the sidelines is in serious danger of injury if some 250 lb lard ass steps in front of him.  It'd be like running into a sofa. 

The shiat hammer will fall for this.  half million in fines is my guess.  i doubt a draft pick, but i wouldn't put it past the league...i guess it would depend on how much hassle the team/coach could raise and if it was worth that trouble.
 
2013-12-01 06:22:05 PM  

Robert1966: We watched this game here in Pittsburgh and I don't recall any attention being given to it when it happened, by officials, or the announcers.


Weird how league review works, huh?  A lot of stuff is missed in game, which is why fines and suspensions often come down the monday after the games.  In the flow of the game it seemed like a whoopsie, but in review you see tomlin looking back, and smirking.

But hey, the announcers in Pittsburg thought is was a non-story, so that should really be the final word.

He knew what he was up to and thought he got away with it, and he did at the time and it may have won a game under different circumstances, he took his shot.  Now it is on the league to make such behaviour 'not worth it', and since Tomlin didn't get the message from the Jets fine a few years ago, well, i am guessing they will at least double that.  As for drat picks, we shall see.  The league might want to set a precedent for it and they might take away the lowest value one from them...it would be a good idea, as would enforcing the field of play rules for the coaching staff and sidelined players...a few 15 yards unsportsmanlikes would go further than the occasional shiathammer penalty like this.
 
2013-12-01 06:33:34 PM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: [scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x467]


auburn guy smart enough to run along his own sideline.  his own team unlikely to try to trip him.
 
2013-12-01 06:42:10 PM  

Theaetetus: Jones should've dropped the shoulder and barreled into Tomlin. Do a full 5 yard rolling flop, and see those flags come out.


This, as long as Tomlin has to be carried off and put on the DL.
 
2013-12-01 06:47:35 PM  
Why wasn't Tomlin watching the play in the first place.  Standing there looking the other direction with his hands in his pockets is not the behavior I would expect from a super bowl winning coach,
 
2013-12-01 06:48:50 PM  
I would be fine with loss of a draft pick, as this was a deliberate act.
 
2013-12-01 06:51:45 PM  

Robert1966: We watched this game here in Pittsburgh and I don't recall any attention being given to it when it happened, by officials, or the announcers.

I also don't remember any of the announcers or officials saying anything about the head-to-head hit that knocked off Leveon Bell's helmet at the end of the game. They said  a lot about the helmet, which led to a touchdown being overturned, but nobody suggested that the head-to-head hit was illegal.

Fan consensus was, "of course there was no flag, and there'll be no fine, because someone did it to the Steelers." The perception here - right or wrong - is that Goodell and the league administration is out to get the team, for whatever reason (some say because Rooney is too pro-player; others think it's something silly like jealousy or too much success in too small a market).


it is quite possible you are right about the league vs Rooney.  heck the skins and cowboys lose cap money for violating a gentleman's agreement and who's on the committee that issues the penalty. The head of NY Giants.
 
2013-12-01 07:28:51 PM  

llortcM_yllort: Triumph: Mike Tomlin jumps out of the way of various things

Good idea, bad execution.


yeah, fark could do better.
 
2013-12-01 08:20:03 PM  

slykens1: js34603: //and if you know anything about the Steelers you'd know they aren't going to fire him

I would ask the Rooneys to fire him but the last time I wanted a Steelers coach to be fired we ended up with Todd Haley. I've learned my farking lesson.

And for the record, I've been looking for him to be fired for several years, including before the loss to Green Bay Superb Owl year. He is not head coaching material, and, as bad as it might sound, is the personification of the Rooney Rule.


Really? This shiat again? Tomlin wasn't a Rooney Rule interview. Ron Rivera had already been interviewed. And who did you want them to take? Wisenhunt? He's worked out really well, huh?
 
2013-12-01 08:30:51 PM  
I do think there should be a punishment. I don't know if it merits a draft pick forfeiture.

After all, nothing happened when Belichick did something similar.
 
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