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(Opposing Views)   One heck of a toothache ... a Swedish prisoner escapes from jail to see a dentist, then turns himself back in   (opposingviews.com) divider line 38
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2013-12-01 10:37:38 AM  
This is how most crime and punishment should be run:

The man's one-month sentence was increased by a day after prison officials decided to discount the day of the incident from his time served. The man has since been released.

In America, he'd have had 25 years added to his sentence and been forced to sing with Russel Crowe.
 
2013-12-01 10:40:30 AM  
Toothaches suck.  Badly.  Though you have to wonder, even in Sweden, if they probably should've done something about it.
 
2013-12-01 11:55:57 AM  
Hey., you find a good dentist, you do whatever you got to do to keep seeing him or her.  You don't want to trust anyone else to continue the job after that.
 
2013-12-01 02:19:15 PM  
Was a moose involved?
 
2013-12-01 02:19:46 PM  

ThisSideofSteinway: Was a moose involved?


He bit my sister
 
2013-12-01 02:20:59 PM  
Where was basemetal?
 
2013-12-01 02:27:59 PM  

doglover: and been forced to sing with Russel Crowe.


Wow, I know there's a shortage of lethal injection drugs at the moment, but that's a horrible substitute.
 
2013-12-01 02:30:18 PM  
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Knows how hard it is to find a good new dentist.
 
2013-12-01 02:35:12 PM  
Most civilized nations don't treat the penal system the way America does.

The American version of the prison system is insane, criminal at its core and its citizens cheer as record number of their fellow citizens are sentenced to years behind bars for minor crimes.  It's disgusting, criminally stupid and corrupt as hell.

But, fark it, it's not like it'll ever change.  We're too goddamned retarded to look at the rest of the world and see what works and what doesn't.
 
2013-12-01 02:39:15 PM  

Infernalist: Most civilized nations don't treat the penal system the way America does.

The American version of the prison system is insane, criminal at its core and its citizens cheer as record number of their fellow citizens are sentenced to years behind bars for minor crimes.  It's disgusting, criminally stupid and corrupt as hell.

But, fark it, it's not like it'll ever change.  We're too goddamned retarded to look at the rest of the world and see what works and what doesn't.


Um...you forget Sweden doesn't need warrants to arrest anyone and you can't sue the police for anything.
 
2013-12-01 02:42:24 PM  
The pain was too much for old Sven:
"Eet jamps by factor of TEN!"
He had to break free
To find Dr. Dee
And discover relief again.
 
2013-12-01 02:44:18 PM  

ThisSideofSteinway: Was a moose involved?


Maybe. Mind you, tøøthaches kan be pretty nasti.

.
 
2013-12-01 02:48:53 PM  

alice_600: Infernalist: Most civilized nations don't treat the penal system the way America does.

The American version of the prison system is insane, criminal at its core and its citizens cheer as record number of their fellow citizens are sentenced to years behind bars for minor crimes.  It's disgusting, criminally stupid and corrupt as hell.

But, fark it, it's not like it'll ever change.  We're too goddamned retarded to look at the rest of the world and see what works and what doesn't.

Um...you forget Sweden doesn't need warrants to arrest anyone and you can't sue the police for anything.


Has dick to do with the prison system though.
 
2013-12-01 02:53:34 PM  
 
2013-12-01 03:09:26 PM  
If you've ever had a tooth go well and seriously bad on you, then you can understand this.
 
2013-12-01 03:14:55 PM  
Don't know what it is like in Sweden, but here in the states if you are there for a month, you are not worth spending the money on. They figure your gone soon so fark ya.

And yeah, he would have gotten another year for escape
 
2013-12-01 03:15:12 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: If you've ever had a tooth go well and seriously bad on you, then you can understand this.


Absolutely. Just had an extraction before Thanksgiving, so I'm getting a kick... though that might be the pain meds talking.
 
2013-12-01 03:27:40 PM  

Infernalist: Most civilized nations don't treat the penal system the way America does.

The American version of the prison system is insane, criminal at its core and its citizens cheer as record number of their fellow citizens are sentenced to years behind bars for minor crimes.  It's disgusting, criminally stupid and corrupt as hell.

But, fark it, it's not like it'll ever change.  We're too goddamned retarded to look at the rest of the world and see what works and what doesn't.


Apart from having privately owned prisons it is the same or in some cases even worse everywhere else with the exception of a few of the more enlightened European countries.
 
2013-12-01 03:28:40 PM  
No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush
 
2013-12-01 03:55:59 PM  

akanaka: alice_600: Infernalist: Most civilized nations don't treat the penal system the way America does.

The American version of the prison system is insane, criminal at its core and its citizens cheer as record number of their fellow citizens are sentenced to years behind bars for minor crimes.  It's disgusting, criminally stupid and corrupt as hell.

But, fark it, it's not like it'll ever change.  We're too goddamned retarded to look at the rest of the world and see what works and what doesn't.

Um...you forget Sweden doesn't need warrants to arrest anyone and you can't sue the police for anything.

Has dick to do with the prison system though.


Think that maybe the prison systems are so nice are because they feel guilty about innocent people who are imprisoned there?
 
2013-12-01 04:05:08 PM  

Apos: The pain was too much for old Sven:
"Eet jamps by factor of TEN!"
He had to break free
To find Dr. Dee
And discover relief again.

 
2013-12-01 04:05:09 PM  

kg2095: Infernalist: Most civilized nations don't treat the penal system the way America does.

The American version of the prison system is insane, criminal at its core and its citizens cheer as record number of their fellow citizens are sentenced to years behind bars for minor crimes.  It's disgusting, criminally stupid and corrupt as hell.

But, fark it, it's not like it'll ever change.  We're too goddamned retarded to look at the rest of the world and see what works and what doesn't.

Apart from having privately owned prisons it is the same or in some cases even worse everywhere else with the exception of a few of the more enlightened European countries.



So.. a normal distribution with the US squarely in the 'not leading the way' middle after discounting that the US locks people up for money?  Sounds about right.
 
2013-12-01 04:33:50 PM  
They shouldn't have let their guard down after 2:30.
 
2013-12-01 04:41:43 PM  
The US has more than 1% if its population behind bars.
 
2013-12-01 04:50:37 PM  

jake_lex: Hey., you find a good dentist, you do whatever you got to do to keep seeing him or her.  You don't want to trust anyone else to continue the job after that.


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Approves.
 
2013-12-01 04:55:48 PM  

doglover: This is how most crime and punishment should be run:

The man's one-month sentence was increased by a day after prison officials decided to discount the day of the incident from his time served. The man has since been released.

In America, he'd have had 25 years added to his sentence and been forced to sing with Russel Crowe.


However, in America, he would've had good dental and wouldn't have that as an excuse to escape.  That means they are escaping to do bad things, not tooth aches.
 
2013-12-01 05:01:45 PM  

lack of warmth: doglover: This is how most crime and punishment should be run:

The man's one-month sentence was increased by a day after prison officials decided to discount the day of the incident from his time served. The man has since been released.

In America, he'd have had 25 years added to his sentence and been forced to sing with Russel Crowe.

However, in America, he would've had good dental and wouldn't have that as an excuse to escape.  That means they are escaping to do bad things, not tooth aches.



That depends entirely. Some levels of incarceration in the States will not even go so far as to pull rotten teeth.  Some of these facilities also do not provide shoes, toilet paper, or toothpaste.
 
2013-12-01 05:04:02 PM  
LewDux: Meanwhile, in Sweden

For those that can't see what LewDux linked, try this alternate link.
 
2013-12-01 05:24:37 PM  

BafflerMeal: lack of warmth: doglover: This is how most crime and punishment should be run:

The man's one-month sentence was increased by a day after prison officials decided to discount the day of the incident from his time served. The man has since been released.

In America, he'd have had 25 years added to his sentence and been forced to sing with Russel Crowe.

However, in America, he would've had good dental and wouldn't have that as an excuse to escape.  That means they are escaping to do bad things, not tooth aches.


That depends entirely. Some levels of incarceration in the States will not even go so far as to pull rotten teeth.  Some of these facilities also do not provide shoes, toilet paper, or toothpaste.


Check out Estelle v Gamble and Helling v McKinney.  Prisons and jails may get away with not providing shoes and other needs, the courts won't let them get away with withholding medical treatment.  They may not get the best doctors and nurses, but they do get to see them.
 
2013-12-01 05:46:50 PM  

lack of warmth: BafflerMeal: lack of warmth: doglover: This is how most crime and punishment should be run:

The man's one-month sentence was increased by a day after prison officials decided to discount the day of the incident from his time served. The man has since been released.

In America, he'd have had 25 years added to his sentence and been forced to sing with Russel Crowe.

However, in America, he would've had good dental and wouldn't have that as an excuse to escape.  That means they are escaping to do bad things, not tooth aches.


That depends entirely. Some levels of incarceration in the States will not even go so far as to pull rotten teeth.  Some of these facilities also do not provide shoes, toilet paper, or toothpaste.

Check out Estelle v Gamble and Helling v McKinney.  Prisons and jails may get away with not providing shoes and other needs, the courts won't let them get away with withholding medical treatment.  They may not get the best doctors and nurses, but they do get to see them.


Letter of the law, yes.  In practice, it's up in the air unless one has the ability or funds to challenge the system.
 
2013-12-01 05:59:24 PM  

FriarReb98: Toothaches suck.  Badly.  Though you have to wonder, even in Sweden, if they probably should've done something about it.


Having had a broken molar leading to a massive infection, I could sympathise with the guy even if he had led a prison break resulting in dozens of casualties to get the damn thing pulled.
 
2013-12-01 07:01:59 PM  

alice_600:
Think that maybe the prison systems are so nice are because they feel guilty about innocent people who are imprisoned there?


What are you talking about?
 
2013-12-01 07:14:30 PM  

BafflerMeal: kg2095: Infernalist: Most civilized nations don't treat the penal system the way America does.

The American version of the prison system is insane, criminal at its core and its citizens cheer as record number of their fellow citizens are sentenced to years behind bars for minor crimes.  It's disgusting, criminally stupid and corrupt as hell.

But, fark it, it's not like it'll ever change.  We're too goddamned retarded to look at the rest of the world and see what works and what doesn't.

Apart from having privately owned prisons it is the same or in some cases even worse everywhere else with the exception of a few of the more enlightened European countries.


So.. a normal distribution with the US squarely in the 'not leading the way' middle after discounting that the US locks people up for money?  Sounds about right.


Good point and I agree with you. The US has far too many people locked up.

What i was thinking of was the model that has retribution rather than rehabilitation as its purpose. As far as I know that is common throughout the world with the exception of a few (or maybe even just a couple, I'm not sure) northern European countries.
 
2013-12-01 07:33:28 PM  

kg2095: BafflerMeal: kg2095: Infernalist: Most civilized nations don't treat the penal system the way America does.

The American version of the prison system is insane, criminal at its core and its citizens cheer as record number of their fellow citizens are sentenced to years behind bars for minor crimes.  It's disgusting, criminally stupid and corrupt as hell.

But, fark it, it's not like it'll ever change.  We're too goddamned retarded to look at the rest of the world and see what works and what doesn't.

Apart from having privately owned prisons it is the same or in some cases even worse everywhere else with the exception of a few of the more enlightened European countries.


So.. a normal distribution with the US squarely in the 'not leading the way' middle after discounting that the US locks people up for money?  Sounds about right.

Good point and I agree with you. The US has far too many people locked up.

What i was thinking of was the model that has retribution rather than rehabilitation as its purpose. As far as I know that is common throughout the world with the exception of a few (or maybe even just a couple, I'm not sure) northern European countries.



A valid observation.
 
2013-12-01 07:47:17 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: If you've ever had a tooth go well and seriously bad on you, then you can understand this.


Amen to that.  Major major tooth gone south issues that continue for a while, you get to the point where just about anything short of mass murder seems a perfectly acceptable alternative to not having the gods-cursed unholy pain stop.  Not so much kidding either.  Truly serious pain that settles in and grinds and doesn't let up for a while is an entirely new world compared to anything many/most have experienced much or even at all, it can makes you do things you'd never figure you'd remotely consider wise or even feasible.
 
2013-12-01 08:01:49 PM  

Warthog: Where was basemetal?


Trying to come up with something funny about evil farking dentists, but I'm failing.
 
2013-12-01 08:53:12 PM  

BafflerMeal: lack of warmth: BafflerMeal: lack of warmth: doglover: This is how most crime and punishment should be run:

The man's one-month sentence was increased by a day after prison officials decided to discount the day of the incident from his time served. The man has since been released.

In America, he'd have had 25 years added to his sentence and been forced to sing with Russel Crowe.

However, in America, he would've had good dental and wouldn't have that as an excuse to escape.  That means they are escaping to do bad things, not tooth aches.


That depends entirely. Some levels of incarceration in the States will not even go so far as to pull rotten teeth.  Some of these facilities also do not provide shoes, toilet paper, or toothpaste.

Check out Estelle v Gamble and Helling v McKinney.  Prisons and jails may get away with not providing shoes and other needs, the courts won't let them get away with withholding medical treatment.  They may not get the best doctors and nurses, but they do get to see them.

Letter of the law, yes.  In practice, it's up in the air unless one has the ability or funds to challenge the system.


Inmates have all day filing lawsuits and the state pays for it.  Win or lose, lawsuits from inmates cost a fortune.  Not a good idea giving them a reason to file a reasonable lawsuit.

/That's alright, you keep trying.  Good day.
 
2013-12-02 10:02:21 PM  

ThisSideofSteinway: Was a moose involved?


If they were stupid enough to let them drive then what the hell do you expect!

media.sfx.co.uk

from :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2AXGwacBs0

/obligatory
//surprised no-one has done this yet..
 
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