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2013-12-01 09:49:51 AM
...And artwork, too.

Gotta love RI.
 
2013-12-01 10:08:43 AM
We have the second highest unemployment rate in the country. You assholes better try something better than this. We need to attract JOBS!

F*ck sake. We have a billion colleges and all the graduates leave as soon as they get their degree.

I yell, but I've given up. This state is not conducive to attracting the amount of jobs it needs to stay afloat.
 
2013-12-01 10:35:10 AM

NewportBarGuy: We have the second highest unemployment rate in the country. You assholes better try something better than this. We need to attract JOBS!

F*ck sake. We have a billion colleges and all the graduates leave as soon as they get their degree.

I yell, but I've given up. This state is not conducive to attracting the amount of jobs it needs to stay afloat.


Problem is, that's the case almost universally in this country.  It's just way more obvious in a place like RI, where you can just look across the street and see jobs in the next state over.

\and I may need to go take a drive to Tiverton to check out the prices now.
 
2013-12-01 10:38:46 AM

NewportBarGuy: We have the second highest unemployment rate in the country. You assholes better try something better than this. We need to attract JOBS!


I just started working full-time in West Greenwich.

'Course, I'm from across the border in Fall River, MA with a 13% unemployment rate (third worst in the Commonwealth).

One man's Mad Max post-apocalypse hell hole is another's fertile land of milk and honey. : )
 
2013-12-01 10:54:50 AM

FriarReb98: \and I may need to go take a drive to Tiverton to check out the prices now.


For houses? You can't really go wrong. I was looking at a few, but I'm a Newporter. Could never not live here. I commute to Providence every day and people think I'm nuts. It's the only job I could find that would put me in the middle-class. Didn't want to look at defense contracting because I have a feeling we are going to be cutting WAY back on that stuff soon. If Raytheon leaves the Island, we're farking doomed.

keylock71: One man's Mad Max post-apocalypse hell hole is another's fertile land of milk and honey. : )


Well, I hide in Newport, so we've still got enough revenue to keep us going. I'm just waiting for the time when I can approach the town council about opening a strip club by the Navy Base. That's my retirement plan.
 
2013-12-01 01:00:24 PM
Oh yeah, like there are no taxes rolled into the price of booze in MA. Sales tax is included in the price on the shelf.
 
2013-12-01 01:08:07 PM
Both states (as well as most others) have excise taxes on the alcohol producer/importers.
RI increased their excise tax when they got rid of the sales tax, so it's a net wash anyhow.
 
2013-12-01 01:28:44 PM

NewportBarGuy: We have the second highest unemployment rate in the country. You assholes better try something better than this. We need to attract JOBS!

F*ck sake. We have a billion colleges and all the graduates leave as soon as they get their degree.

I yell, but I've given up. This state is not conducive to attracting the amount of jobs it needs to stay afloat.


http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

Move to north dakota and get a job already.
This is what happens during depressions.
People MOVE for work.

/I cant get a job has become code words for a job, near me, paying a lot, doing exactly what I want.
 
2013-12-01 01:54:34 PM

keylock71: ...And artwork, too.

Gotta love RI.


What Rhode Island state-subsidized artwork may look like:
thumbs.cdn-ec.viddler.com
 
2013-12-01 01:56:56 PM
I used to live in Michigan where there was a 10 cent deposit on bottles and now I live in South Dakota where there is none. Nobody recycles bottles here... it's kind of a shame really.
 
2013-12-01 02:01:45 PM

namatad: NewportBarGuy: We have the second highest unemployment rate in the country. You assholes better try something better than this. We need to attract JOBS!

F*ck sake. We have a billion colleges and all the graduates leave as soon as they get their degree.

I yell, but I've given up. This state is not conducive to attracting the amount of jobs it needs to stay afloat.

http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

Move to north dakota and get a job already.
This is what happens during depressions.
People MOVE for work.

/I cant get a job has become code words for a job, near me, paying a lot, doing exactly what I want.


I'm not entirely sure about the accuracy of that link.  No way in hell Hawaii is 4th with only 4.4% unemployment.
 
2013-12-01 02:09:49 PM
No Mo sales tax in wine in RI? Not moving there irregardless.
 
2013-12-01 02:09:50 PM

NewportBarGuy: We have the second highest unemployment rate in the country. You assholes better try something better than this. We need to attract JOBS!

F*ck sake. We have a billion colleges and all the graduates leave as soon as they get their degree.

I yell, but I've given up. This state is not conducive to attracting the amount of jobs it needs to stay afloat.


Maybe they should try recycling. That makes jobs.
 
2013-12-01 02:10:25 PM

laulaja: No Mo sales tax in wine in RI? Not moving there irregardless.


O_o
 
2013-12-01 02:11:25 PM
Bottle deposit? Really?
 
2013-12-01 02:12:22 PM
Bottle deposit? Weird
 
2013-12-01 02:13:24 PM

ReverendJynxed: laulaja: No Mo sales tax in wine in RI? Not moving there irregardless.

O_o


That's the only part you have a problem with?
 
2013-12-01 02:13:37 PM
"It was a hassle to collect the tax and pay it every three months and keep track of all the paperwork. It will save me a lot of work."

Um, you mean like what virtually every other business in the state does? Sorry to inconvenience you, Ms. Artsy Hipster.
 
2013-12-01 02:19:50 PM
Typical tax-and-spend liberals in New E-

Wait.
 
2013-12-01 02:19:57 PM

JohnnyC: I used to live in Michigan where there was a 10 cent deposit on bottles and now I live in South Dakota where there is none. Nobody recycles bottles here... it's kind of a shame really.


I was thinking about that (recycling), and now I'm wondering if this is a jab against homeless people who might be gaining sustenance from what little they can.
 
2013-12-01 02:20:22 PM

chitownmike: ReverendJynxed: laulaja: No Mo sales tax in wine in RI? Not moving there irregardless.

O_o

That's the only part you have a problem with?


I was wondering about the Missouri tax being relevant but I started to have a stroke at irre...

GAH! again!
 
2013-12-01 02:26:16 PM

NewportBarGuy: We have the second highest unemployment rate in the country. You assholes better try something better than this. We need to attract JOBS!


A drunken/stoned proletariat is far easier to bamboozle. This is what we call

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

/If you are a politican
 
2013-12-01 02:26:51 PM

99.998er: "It was a hassle to collect the tax and pay it every three months and keep track of all the paperwork. It will save me a lot of work."

Um, you mean like what virtually every other business in the state does? Sorry to inconvenience you, Ms. Artsy Hipster.


To be fair, it *is* a pain in the ass and every business out there would have the same reaction to not having to deal with it anymore.
 
2013-12-01 02:31:34 PM
Yeah, except that they raised the taxes on the business end about 6 months ago, so the liquor stores around here have already raised their prices to compensate.

So, nothing to see here.
 
2013-12-01 02:32:54 PM
Yeah but all the prices went up
 
2013-12-01 02:34:12 PM
Born and raised in RI, left out 35 years ago and don't regret it at all. Go back now and again and realize how rude, crude and ignorant most (not all) of the people are. The roads suck big balls, people driving never heard of courtesy, politicians are more bent then a broke dick dog, and the taxes are outrageous. Oh, did I mention that the winters suck there too?
 
2013-12-01 02:34:41 PM

NewportBarGuy: FriarReb98: \and I may need to go take a drive to Tiverton to check out the prices now.

For houses? You can't really go wrong. I was looking at a few, but I'm a Newporter. Could never not live here. I commute to Providence every day and people think I'm nuts. It's the only job I could find that would put me in the middle-class. Didn't want to look at defense contracting because I have a feeling we are going to be cutting WAY back on that stuff soon. If Raytheon leaves the Island, we're farking doomed.

keylock71: One man's Mad Max post-apocalypse hell hole is another's fertile land of milk and honey. : )

Well, I hide in Newport, so we've still got enough revenue to keep us going. I'm just waiting for the time when I can approach the town council about opening a strip club by the Navy Base. That's my retirement plan.


Hey I do the opposite of you. In the summer I pedicab in Newport and commute by bike from providence.
 
2013-12-01 02:45:30 PM

NewportBarGuy: We have the second highest unemployment rate in the country. You assholes better try something better than this. We need to attract JOBS!

F*ck sake. We have a billion colleges and all the graduates leave as soon as they get their degree.

I yell, but I've given up. This state is not conducive to attracting the amount of jobs it needs to stay afloat.


Come on, BarGuy. You tried with 38 Studios...

/Actually came in to complain about being equidistant from RI and NH. Not that I'd want to live in either of those place (whatever the Masshole version of "bless their hearts" is), but I do like cheap booze.
 
2013-12-01 02:57:47 PM
No bottle deposit is a travesty.  Absolutely inexcusable in this day and age, it should be set at the federal level.

"The United States' overall beverage container recycling rate is approximately 33%, while states with container deposit laws have a 70% average rate of beverage container recycling.  Michigan's recycling rate of 97% from 1990-2008 is the highest in the nation, as is the state's $0.10 deposit."

"Aluminum recycling is a very efficient process --- manufacturers can melt down and reuse aluminum from reclaimed containers repeatedly with little loss in quality. According to The Aluminum Association, creating an aluminum can out of recycled materials requires only 5 percent as much energy as creating a brand new can from bauxite ore."
 
2013-12-01 03:06:47 PM

NewportBarGuy: We have the second highest unemployment rate in the country. You assholes better try something better than this. We need to attract JOBS!

F*ck sake. We have a billion colleges and all the graduates leave as soon as they get their degree.

I yell, but I've given up. This state is not conducive to attracting the amount of jobs it needs to stay afloat.


I wouldn't expect there to be many jobs in a state the size of an iceberg.

/double points for anyone who knows the complete name of the state of Rhode Island (without having to look it up)
 
2013-12-01 03:08:18 PM
ArcadianRefugee:
/double points for anyone who knows the complete name of the state of Rhode Island (without having to look it up)

The Holy See of His Most Exalted Roger Williams?
 
2013-12-01 03:11:23 PM

That guy on the bike: In the summer I pedicab in Newport and commute by bike from providence.


Commute by bike, as in pedal bike? Wow. Well, I have no idea how you guys and gals do it, hauling those hefty tourists around our narrow streets. I try to give you guys plenty of room, but I don't drive one of those goddamn SUV war wagons. Glad to see the pedicab thing working out. We get some good tourists who know how to tip, but you have free reign to run over the cruise ship people.

poorjon: Come on, BarGuy. You tried with 38 Studios...

/Actually came in to complain about being equidistant from RI and NH. Not that I'd want to live in either of those place (whatever the Masshole version of "bless their hearts" is), but I do like cheap booze.


Well, 38 Studios really pissed me off because they tied up a lot of money in one company when the whole idea was to fund lots of smaller companies. They thought they had a really great idea and pulled the trigger. Idiots.

Just got back from the liquor store and they have a huge sign up announcing the new tax policy. I talked to the guy who runs the place and he said it's a 17-month experiment and he's 100% sure at the end the state will announce that it was a failure and reintroduce the taxes. That's the RI I know and love.
 
2013-12-01 03:11:33 PM
Hm, so the state is going to give citizens a few cents back on folks who buy liquor in-state, and millions back to people who buy/sell artwork. Yeah, that makes sense.
 
2013-12-01 03:13:33 PM

deadsanta: Hm, so the state is going to give citizens a few cents back on folks who buy liquor in-state, and millions back to people who buy/sell artwork. Yeah, that makes sense.


Millions of people buy liquor, while only a few buy artwork.
 
2013-12-01 03:17:06 PM

ArcadianRefugee: I wouldn't expect there to be many jobs in a state the size of an iceberg.


We are not a unit of measurement, Sir.
 
2013-12-01 03:18:23 PM

Theaetetus: deadsanta: Hm, so the state is going to give citizens a few cents back on folks who buy liquor in-state, and millions back to people who buy/sell artwork. Yeah, that makes sense.

Millions of people buy liquor, while only a few buy artwork.


Hmmmm... Can we get them to classify classic wooden boats and classic cars as works of art??? I need to ring my attorney!
 
2013-12-01 03:19:22 PM

ArcadianRefugee: NewportBarGuy: We have the second highest unemployment rate in the country. You assholes better try something better than this. We need to attract JOBS!

F*ck sake. We have a billion colleges and all the graduates leave as soon as they get their degree.

I yell, but I've given up. This state is not conducive to attracting the amount of jobs it needs to stay afloat.

I wouldn't expect there to be many jobs in a state the size of an iceberg.

/double points for anyone who knows the complete name of the state of Rhode Island (without having to look it up)


State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations ?
I thought there was a movement to drop the Providence Plantations because it wasn't politically correct?
 
2013-12-01 03:19:56 PM

"Plus, on a $2,000 painting, the tax is $140. That makes a real difference. I think it will make buying more attractive to our customers."


I'm not sympathetic for a person who spends so much on a painting would then have to spend $140 in taxes on it. They most likely can afford to do so.

 
2013-12-01 03:23:45 PM

Theaetetus: deadsanta: Hm, so the state is going to give citizens a few cents back on folks who buy liquor in-state, and millions back to people who buy/sell artwork. Yeah, that makes sense.

Millions of people buy liquor, while only a few buy artwork.



But why even bother to cut taxes on the wealthiest, at all? I mean what, they think with no infrastructure at all they're going to supplant NYC/LA/London as a major art market? It just looks like a giveaway to the 1%ers , who can now go find the loophole that allows them to transact art sales without sales tax and save $2m on that Basquiat oil they're selling.
 
2013-12-01 03:25:59 PM

NewportBarGuy: Theaetetus: deadsanta: Hm, so the state is going to give citizens a few cents back on folks who buy liquor in-state, and millions back to people who buy/sell artwork. Yeah, that makes sense.

Millions of people buy liquor, while only a few buy artwork.

Hmmmm... Can we get them to classify classic wooden boats and classic cars as works of art??? I need to ring my attorney!


Unfortunately, no... "Sculpture" would be the best bet, but they're not limited one-of-a-kind, but are for commercial production. See page 38.
 
2013-12-01 03:30:45 PM

cig-mkr:
State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations ?
I thought there was a movement to drop the Providence Plantations...?


There was, but it got shot down by a ratio of nearly 4 to 1.
 
2013-12-01 03:31:44 PM

deadsanta: But why even bother to cut taxes on the wealthiest, at all?


Because nothing gets done in this state without bribing someone. Plus, we have a pretty vibrant local art scene here in town that might benefit from the tax holiday. I doubt it stays in effect after the 17 months.

Places like this http://www.arnoldart.com/ will hopefully have sales increases. We don't have a ton of fine art galleries here.

I'm sure some people will seek to use this as a way to avoid taxes on some fine art, but they most likely already have been using such techniques anyway. Buy it, ship it to a state or foreign country, bring it home on the yacht or the plane. People avoiding that level of tax have already been doing it forever.
 
2013-12-01 03:32:32 PM

NewportBarGuy: We have the second highest unemployment rate in the country. You assholes better try something better than this. We need to attract JOBS!

F*ck sake. We have a billion colleges and all the graduates leave as soon as they get their degree.

I yell, but I've given up. This state is not conducive to attracting the amount of jobs it needs to stay afloat.


Sounds like you need more housing to drive down the cost of living.  Same thing is happening in MA, but it's just taking longer.

Rick folk and NIMBYism is keeping housing construction down and leaving a lot of economic activity and wealth on the table.  Then the boomers will die and MA is going to be screwed since the next generation left to start a family somewhere else.

Build a place people want to live; mixed use housing and commercial centers.  Businesses will come to make use of the resources.
 
2013-12-01 03:33:01 PM
Rhode Island really shat the bed during the recession and has yet to recover hardly at all.  Lived there from age 7-college.  I still have some affinity for the place because of that, but it's a real shiathole now.  And the politicians seem to want to keep it that way.
 
2013-12-01 03:35:15 PM

deadsanta: It just looks like a giveaway to the 1%ers , who can now go find the loophole that allows them to transact art sales without sales tax and save $2m on that Basquiat oil they're selling.


Basquiat was a New York resident. Law only applies to artwork by residents. And though your point is good otherwise, no one would spend that much money on a product by someone from Rhode Island.
 
2013-12-01 03:39:12 PM

Theaetetus: NewportBarGuy: Theaetetus: deadsanta: Hm, so the state is going to give citizens a few cents back on folks who buy liquor in-state, and millions back to people who buy/sell artwork. Yeah, that makes sense.

Millions of people buy liquor, while only a few buy artwork.

Hmmmm... Can we get them to classify classic wooden boats and classic cars as works of art??? I need to ring my attorney!

Unfortunately, no... "Sculpture" would be the best bet, but they're not limited one-of-a-kind, but are for commercial production. See page 38.


Damn... Yeah, and they have a half a page dedicated to boats. Well, it was worth a shot. Those bastards.
 
2013-12-01 03:45:52 PM

TyrantII: Sounds like you need more housing to drive down the cost of living. Same thing is happening in MA, but it's just taking longer.


Yeah, but at least Mass has been able to draw a lot of biotech firms. We, we can't attract sh*t.

We definitely need more affordable housing. People look at Newport and they think rich fancypants. No, our per capita here is pretty low. It's a tourist town with lots of workers who work for 6 months then go on unemployment and odd jobs for the other 6. We've been talking about affordable housing here for decades but it's always NIMBY.

It's a lot of things. We also need to spend a fortune on new infrastructure, but that won't happen until stuff breaks.

As the population of the state ages and there's no new growth here in jobs and companies, we'll just slowly wilt and die. Although, I'd like to see what Angel Tavares could do as Governor. I'm not going anywhere, so it would be nice to see someone try to kick this state in the ass.
 
2013-12-01 03:59:32 PM

NewportBarGuy: TyrantII: Sounds like you need more housing to drive down the cost of living. Same thing is happening in MA, but it's just taking longer.

Yeah, but at least Mass has been able to draw a lot of biotech firms. We, we can't attract sh*t.

We definitely need more affordable housing. People look at Newport and they think rich fancypants. No, our per capita here is pretty low. It's a tourist town with lots of workers who work for 6 months then go on unemployment and odd jobs for the other 6. We've been talking about affordable housing here for decades but it's always NIMBY.

It's a lot of things. We also need to spend a fortune on new infrastructure, but that won't happen until stuff breaks.

As the population of the state ages and there's no new growth here in jobs and companies, we'll just slowly wilt and die. Although, I'd like to see what Angel Tavares could do as Governor. I'm not going anywhere, so it would be nice to see someone try to kick this state in the ass.


I always thought compared to house and rental prices in Massachusetts, RI and Providence was reasonable. I always heard of people working in Mass. but commuting in from Rhode Island. If the commuter rail pass wasn't so overpriced for the Providence-Boston route, I would live in Providence. Rents in the Greater Boston area are ridiculous.
 
2013-12-01 04:05:24 PM

NewportBarGuy: TyrantII: Sounds like you need more housing to drive down the cost of living. Same thing is happening in MA, but it's just taking longer.

Yeah, but at least Mass has been able to draw a lot of biotech firms. We, we can't attract sh*t.

We definitely need more affordable housing. People look at Newport and they think rich fancypants. No, our per capita here is pretty low. It's a tourist town with lots of workers who work for 6 months then go on unemployment and odd jobs for the other 6. We've been talking about affordable housing here for decades but it's always NIMBY.

It's a lot of things. We also need to spend a fortune on new infrastructure, but that won't happen until stuff breaks.

As the population of the state ages and there's no new growth here in jobs and companies, we'll just slowly wilt and die. Although, I'd like to see what Angel Tavares could do as Governor. I'm not going anywhere, so it would be nice to see someone try to kick this state in the ass.


Yeah, Tavares will create jobs, $200K jobs for his cronies. This is not a good thing.
 
2013-12-01 04:10:01 PM

Resident Muslim: JohnnyC: I used to live in Michigan where there was a 10 cent deposit on bottles and now I live in South Dakota where there is none. Nobody recycles bottles here... it's kind of a shame really.

I was thinking about that (recycling), and now I'm wondering if this is a jab against homeless people who might be gaining sustenance from what little they can.


In my younger years I used to collect bottles and cans from the dumpsters of the foreign student dorms at the local universities. I would easily get $30-$40 worth of bottles and cans. Of course back then I could fill up my gas tank, get a 12 pack, some smokes, dinner, and some other stuff for $40.
 
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