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(SanDiegoUnionTribune)   Because it's become too hard to prosecute people for using sidewalk chalk, San Diego's D.A. office is now filing felony charges against a guy that pruned some shrubs   (utsandiego.com) divider line 54
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2013-11-30 04:15:15 PM
Reminds me of a story years back (which I can't find right now) of a man who was arrested for repainting some call boxes outside the White House which had been neglected and rusted out
 
2013-11-30 04:20:06 PM
Was the man from Windsor Ontario?
 
2013-11-30 04:20:39 PM
"You have to have order in society, and that's the purpose of the laws," Hahn told the Stockton Record. "Self-help is not the appropriate way to handle problems."

Nightmarish.
 
2013-11-30 04:20:48 PM
"...in excess of $400 or more ..."
 
2013-11-30 04:24:52 PM
Maybe the guy was on a quest.

corellianrun.com
 
2013-11-30 04:26:31 PM
Despite a back log of more serious crimes in the judicial system, Prosecutor Steve Hahn told reporters that the case was not a waste of time.

Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we've just discovered the World's Dumbest Attorney.
 
2013-11-30 04:26:48 PM
I suspect this went beyond simple "pruning".
 
2013-11-30 04:26:59 PM
So much for a million points of light.
 
2013-11-30 04:29:54 PM
Sounds like rather than pruning the bushes, he just removed them entirely. The other cases the Union Trib cited to try to make the guy seem sympathetic also involved people completely cutting down trees and then claiming they were "just trimming them back".

Don't want homeless people sleeping in your yard? Don't buy a house near the beach in OB!
 
2013-11-30 04:30:56 PM
FTFA: "Self-help is not the appropriate way to handle problems."

ORLY?
 
2013-11-30 04:32:10 PM
Someone is up for election and there is no such thing as bad publicity..It's time to get rid of elected DA's and  Prosecutors. The scummiest of the sleazy lawyers use that office to go on to higher offices
or get themselves a TV job, and step on everyone they can to get there.
 
2013-11-30 04:32:14 PM

Krieghund: I suspect this went beyond simple "pruning".


suspect all you want, but that won't change that the law is out of control in this country.
 
2013-11-30 04:32:53 PM
Sounds like this DA wants a change of careers.
 
2013-11-30 04:35:05 PM
You scratching your ass?

You farting?

You sweeping the sidewalk?  Is it your sidewalk?

calvarychapelabuse.com

R E V E N U E !
 
2013-11-30 04:35:15 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Sounds like this DA wants a change of careers.


How about sewer cleaner?
 
2013-11-30 04:35:54 PM
If you want to keep homeless out of your yard play a Yoko Ono CD on repeat.
 
2013-11-30 04:37:23 PM

TheGreatGazoo: If you want to keep homeless out of your yard play a Yoko Ono CD on repeat.


Watch it with the crimes against humanity, buster.
 
2013-11-30 04:45:19 PM
Sounds like a great case for jury nullification. Maybe the DA will think twice about pursuing expensive, bullshiat cases like this if he's reminded who has the final say.

Learn about it if you don't know.
 
2013-11-30 04:47:02 PM
Oh it's that type of bush.

i1190.photobucket.com

Never mind then.
 
2013-11-30 04:50:16 PM

Apos: Despite a back log of more serious crimes in the judicial system, Prosecutor Steve Hahn told reporters that the case was not a waste of time.

Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we've just discovered the World's Dumbest Attorney.


Not at all. This is a very important case for government. It threatens the very essence of its power and the way of life of every government employee and office holder.

It threatens its monopoly on services and if they do not punish this man it risks more people simply taking care of problems on their own. If this isn't nipped in the bud the very livelihood of those in government could be threatened if more people start acting like him.
 
2013-11-30 04:55:33 PM

bunner: You scratching your ass?

You farting?

You sweeping the sidewalk?  Is it your sidewalk?


Is this your homework, Larry?
 
2013-11-30 04:57:08 PM
Pfft.........the Florida of the west coast.
 
2013-11-30 05:02:28 PM

leadmetal: Not at all. This is a very important case for government. It threatens the very essence of its power and the way of life of every government employee and office holder.

It threatens its monopoly on services and if they do not punish this man it risks more people simply taking care of problems on their own. If this isn't nipped in the bud the very livelihood of those in government could be threatened if more people start acting like him.


So you'd be fine if this guy went into a public park with a chainsaw and started knocking down public trees?  You know, homeless people sometimes sleep and litter in parks, so the same rationale applies.

This story is short on detail.  If he was aiming to make the shrubs non-obscuring (and it sounds like it), this was likely more than a case of a light pruning.  He seems pretty sure that he was performing a public service.  The people who actually own the trees (the public, who he claimed to serve) seem to think otherwise.
 
2013-11-30 05:14:30 PM
Government crackdown. The answer in every liberal utopia.
 
2013-11-30 05:14:59 PM
Despite a backlog of more serious crimes in the judicial system, Prosecutor Steve Hahn told reporters the case was not a waste of time.
"You have to have order in society, and that's the purpose of the laws," Hahn told the Stockton Record. "Self-help is not the appropriate way to handle problems."


Steve Hahn is his name.

The next time you see him, point at him.  Point at him and laugh.  Be sure to tell him what a no account power crazed overreaching dick head he is.
 
2013-11-30 05:18:26 PM
You have to have order REVENUE in society, and that's the purpose of the laws," Hahn told the Stockton Record. "Self-help is not the appropriate way to handle problems."

FIXED
 
2013-11-30 05:20:51 PM

Bandito King: "You have to have order in society, and that's the purpose of the laws," Hahn told the Stockton Record. "Self-help is not the appropriate way to handle problems."

Nightmarish.


Nay. This is the liberal utopia philosophy.
 
2013-11-30 05:21:07 PM
As a native Californian who has never lived anywhere else and has traveled the state extensively, I have to say that San Diego County is full of some of the biggest a$$holes on the planet.  I am not a bit surprised,,,,

I consider La Jolla to be the a$$hole of the state.  Serious, PRETENTIOUS  A-Holes...  I wouldn't mind if a wild fire or earthquake took out the whole County so we could start over...
 
2013-11-30 05:22:11 PM

unyon: leadmetal: Not at all. This is a very important case for government. It threatens the very essence of its power and the way of life of every government employee and office holder.

It threatens its monopoly on services and if they do not punish this man it risks more people simply taking care of problems on their own. If this isn't nipped in the bud the very livelihood of those in government could be threatened if more people start acting like him.

So you'd be fine if this guy went into a public park with a chainsaw and started knocking down public trees?  You know, homeless people sometimes sleep and litter in parks, so the same rationale applies.

This story is short on detail.  If he was aiming to make the shrubs non-obscuring (and it sounds like it), this was likely more than a case of a light pruning.  He seems pretty sure that he was performing a public service.  The people who actually own the trees (the public, who he claimed to serve) seem to think otherwise.


Vandalism is something quite different than going after someone's livelihood, offending the system. A vandal, even a chainsaw wielding one would probably be dealt with less harshly even if an effort was made to catch him in the first place.  When was the last time someone faced serious felony jail time for vandalizing a park bench? Something worth enough for the charge and it doesn't grow back like bushes do. What makes this different is this guy stepped into the domain the government wants for itself.
 
2013-11-30 05:28:55 PM

Bandito King: "You have to have order in society, and that's the purpose of the laws," Hahn told the Stockton Record. "Self-help is not the appropriate way to handle problems."

Nightmarish.


Lawful Neutral Asshole, in Nerdese.
 
2013-11-30 05:38:11 PM
This has nothing to do with Unreal Tournament!!!
 
2013-11-30 05:44:44 PM
Need pics of said shrubs.
 
2013-11-30 05:48:47 PM
"The Ocean Beach Town Council is dedicated to the care and improvement of our beautiful coastal community. Email info­[nospam-﹫-backwards]lic­nuocnwotb­o*org"
 
2013-11-30 05:49:35 PM

leadmetal: unyon: leadmetal: Not at all. This is a very important case for government. It threatens the very essence of its power and the way of life of every government employee and office holder.

It threatens its monopoly on services and if they do not punish this man it risks more people simply taking care of problems on their own. If this isn't nipped in the bud the very livelihood of those in government could be threatened if more people start acting like him.

So you'd be fine if this guy went into a public park with a chainsaw and started knocking down public trees?  You know, homeless people sometimes sleep and litter in parks, so the same rationale applies.

This story is short on detail.  If he was aiming to make the shrubs non-obscuring (and it sounds like it), this was likely more than a case of a light pruning.  He seems pretty sure that he was performing a public service.  The people who actually own the trees (the public, who he claimed to serve) seem to think otherwise.

Vandalism is something quite different than going after someone's livelihood, offending the system. A vandal, even a chainsaw wielding one would probably be dealt with less harshly even if an effort was made to catch him in the first place.  When was the last time someone faced serious felony jail time for vandalizing a park bench? Something worth enough for the charge and it doesn't grow back like bushes do. What makes this different is this guy stepped into the domain the government wants for itself.


I have you tagged as a free energy crackpot. I can see how a belief that "THE EVIL GOVERNMENT is suppressing free energy because it would bring utopia and make them irrelevant" is consistent with your posts on this thread.
 
2013-11-30 05:49:50 PM
"Self-help is not the appropriate way to handle problems."
At least they are being honest about their end game. They are trying to raise a generation who actively refuse to think for themselves and always run to the authorities over every tiny problem.
 
2013-11-30 05:56:33 PM
Bonnie Dumanis is funny only in Scotland among other dumb anuses.
 
2013-11-30 06:20:29 PM
The felony charge is kind of ridiculous, but I don't think it's unreasonable he was charged with something. You can't have every random person making changes to public grounds and parks without authorization, even if they're well intended; their interests and plans will conflict, most of them don't know what they're doing, and everything will just become a total mess. You'll have some dude tearing down a tree because it blocks his view while someone rips up the grass because he thinks it should xeroscaped.

My guess is was a natural area with heavy vegetation, not a park, which is why is why the city hadn't trimmed it.
 
2013-11-30 06:30:46 PM
I wonder if the DA has twenty-seven 8x10 color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back describing what each one is to be used as evidence against him.
 
2013-11-30 07:09:28 PM

DigitalCoffee: I wonder if the DA has twenty-seven 8x10 color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back describing what each one is to be used as evidence against him.


You can get anything you want..............
 
2013-11-30 07:13:00 PM
When I see something as outrageous as this my Weeners is "I wonder what the other side of the story is."
 
2013-11-30 07:18:13 PM

Enigmamf: I have you tagged as a free energy crackpot. I can see how a belief that "THE EVIL GOVERNMENT is suppressing free energy because it would bring utopia and make them irrelevant" is consistent with your posts on this thread.


In other words, you don't have a rational counter argument to present.

The simple fact is that felony charge is over the top for doing yard maintenance. Thus we have to determine why this is such a big deal for those in government. Why does it bother them that the bushes were trimmed? Why did they even notice? Nothing was ruined, in fact things were maintained in a nice orderly fashioned of which the residents of the neighborhood approve. So what's the problem? Why is it so important for an institution that lets so many of its duties slide on a daily basis? Like kicking the homeless out of the park after closing or fining them for littering.

The simple answer is this steps on their toes.

AgentPothead: "Self-help is not the appropriate way to handle problems."
At least they are being honest about their end game. They are trying to raise a generation who actively refuse to think for themselves and always run to the authorities over every tiny problem.


Indeed.
 
2013-11-30 07:27:52 PM
Not only my Weeners, but my initial thought as well.
 
2013-11-30 07:43:21 PM
"San Diego protester Jeff Olson was brought up on charges for sidewalk slogans he wrote with water soluble chalk in front of banks."

I bought my kids some of that sidewalk chalk once. After them spending the day drawing on the sidewalks, front porch and side of the house I turned on the hose to rinse it off. Water soluble my ass! Took me two hours with a scrub brush and soap to get that crap off and there were still residue of it on the concrete for months.
 
2013-11-30 07:44:49 PM

leadmetal: Vandalism is something quite different than going after someone's livelihood, offending the system. A vandal, even a chainsaw wielding one would probably be dealt with less harshly even if an effort was made to catch him in the first place.  When was the last time someone faced serious felony jail time for vandalizing a park bench? Something worth enough for the charge and it doesn't grow back like bushes do. What makes this different is this guy stepped into the domain the government wants for itself.


'The System' doesn't get offended.  We make communal rules, agree on them, and agree on the consequences.  Possibly the only difference between this and vandalizing a park bench is that he got caught.  That it was felonious is entirely due to the price placed on the object damaged.  Again, I reiterate that there simply isn't enough detail in the article for us to make that determination.

In my city, some asshole cut down a beautiful stand of 100 year old aspens on public property, so that *he* would have an improved city view.  It's not clear who did it, and the culprit was never caught.  By your argument, that's not a crime because hey, in another 100 years those aspens will grow back.

The bottom line:  They weren't his bushes.  And if you don't like it, change the goddamned rules.
 
2013-11-30 07:48:54 PM

OnlyM3: Government crackdown. The answer in every liberal utopia.


You know how I know you're not from San Diego?
 
2013-11-30 08:09:42 PM

SubBass49: OnlyM3: Government crackdown. The answer in every liberal utopia.

You know how I know you're not from San Diego?


The  U-T and KUSI News should thrive in far-left San Diego.
 
2013-11-30 08:35:53 PM
A felony?  wow
Justice is not blind, it is stupid.
 
2013-11-30 08:41:43 PM

unyon: In my city, some asshole cut down a beautiful stand of 100 year old aspens on public property, so that *he* would have an improved city view.  It's not clear who did it, and the culprit was never caught.  By your argument, that's not a crime because hey, in another 100 years those aspens will grow back.

The bottom line:  They weren't his bushes.  And if you don't like it, change the goddamned rules.


You're either a troll or really stupid. I'm betting really stupid. Killing trees and trimming a bush are very different things. The same as mowing the grass, and mowing down a van for pull people are very different things. And there are a lot of community programs that allow for citizen help in the beautification of the city, he just isn't in one of those. Now the ironic thing will be if he gets assigned community service where he's clipping shrubs instead of jail.

Also I'm actually shocked you didn't go for the "what about the poor homeless meth heads, where will they sleep. Won't someone think of them?"
 
2013-11-30 08:42:09 PM
The problem is that old,scared people vote in droves for politicians who want to 'felonize' every little transgression and make mandatory sentences and 'three strikes' laws.  Fill up those jails! Tough love! Zero Tolerance!  Make jaywalking and spitting on the sidewalk felonies!

Even though violent crime has statistically been going down over the past 20 years.

Those senile old trouts never read the scolarly journals that demonstrate this. Of course the nightly Fox news just stokes their fears. They're just scared little old biddies, and the politicians pander to them.

Even though in the long run, this is extremely bad for society. We already have cases where business owners of "privatized" jails and reformatories give kickbacks to prosecutors who send business their way.

Cops these days get all kinds of support when they violate human rights.

Of course, taxes have to go up to pay for all that prosecuting and incarceration, but the old trouts are too bloody-minded to connect the dots, and think taxes go up because of "them damn unions and liberals".

The old people SHOULD be really concerned about laws that, say keep nursing homes from turning into hell holes, but the politicians would much rather pander to their irrational fears because, hey, all's fair in politics and war.  So money is taken away from the nursing homes and goes to build jails.

I hate pandering politicians.
 
2013-11-30 08:59:27 PM

pedobearapproved: unyon: In my city, some asshole cut down a beautiful stand of 100 year old aspens on public property, so that *he* would have an improved city view.  It's not clear who did it, and the culprit was never caught.  By your argument, that's not a crime because hey, in another 100 years those aspens will grow back.

The bottom line:  They weren't his bushes.  And if you don't like it, change the goddamned rules.

You're either a troll or really stupid. I'm betting really stupid. Killing trees and trimming a bush are very different things. The same as mowing the grass, and mowing down a van for pull people are very different things. And there are a lot of community programs that allow for citizen help in the beautification of the city, he just isn't in one of those. Now the ironic thing will be if he gets assigned community service where he's clipping shrubs instead of jail.

Also I'm actually shocked you didn't go for the "what about the poor homeless meth heads, where will they sleep. Won't someone think of them?"


He is one of the lost causes. An end result of the Big Brother educational systems. He is what we should all fear becoming.
 
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