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(Boston.com)   Last chance to shop in Brookline, Mass. before plastic and polystyrene ban. Or you could shop in surrounding cities where voters have better things to do   (boston.com) divider line 107
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2013-11-30 03:55:24 PM  
Brookline's bans on disposable plastic bags and polystyrene containers

Meh.

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www.plasticpledge.org
 
2013-11-30 04:05:06 PM  
Are you people really that stupid?
 
2013-11-30 04:25:06 PM  
waaah, people somewhere i don't live decided to do something that has no effect on me, waaaah.

/you'll get over it.
 
2013-11-30 05:28:05 PM  
I remember when grocery stores first started to use plastic instead of paper. The hue and cry over it was considerable. Then people got used to it. People are like that.
 
2013-11-30 06:13:57 PM  

propasaurus: Are you people really that stupid?


Er, welcometofark?

/what do you mean by "you people?"
 
2013-11-30 06:16:44 PM  
Loggers rejoice..
 
2013-11-30 06:16:58 PM  

Dinki: I remember when grocery stores first started to use plastic instead of paper. The hue and cry over it was considerable. Then people got used to it. People are like that.


I used to live right on the border between Sunnyvale & Cupertino, CA.  When Sunnyvale banned plastic bags at grocery stores, I just started shopping in Cupertino.  Aside from the obvious annoyance of not having grocery bags provided by the store, the things make convenient trash can liners.  If I didn't get them for free, I'd just end up buying them from Costco.
 
2013-11-30 06:17:19 PM  
Yeah, definitely, I'll drive an extra 20 miles each way to shop where more freedumbs! HAHA fark YOU LIBS!
 
2013-11-30 06:18:56 PM  

ghare: Yeah, definitely, I'll drive an extra 20 miles each way to shop where more freedumbs! HAHA fark YOU LIBS!


No, a better "fark you" would be to buy a big box of disposable plastic bags from Costco and bring your own to the grocery store.
 
2013-11-30 06:20:37 PM  

Tony_Pepperoni: Loggers rejoice..


Yeah! The only solution is paper! I won't use no damn cloth bag over and over, HAHAHA FARK YOU LIBS!
 
2013-11-30 06:20:38 PM  

ghare: Yeah, definitely, I'll drive an extra 20 miles each way to shop where more freedumbs! HAHA fark YOU LIBS!


You know how I know you are completely unfamiliar with the relative geography of Brookline, MA?
 
2013-11-30 06:20:57 PM  
cdn.lolzbook.com
 
2013-11-30 06:22:20 PM  

EvilEgg: ghare: Yeah, definitely, I'll drive an extra 20 miles each way to shop where more freedumbs! HAHA fark YOU LIBS!

You know how I know you are completely unfamiliar with the relative geography of Brookline, MA?


Whoosh.
 
2013-11-30 06:25:39 PM  
Before the ban, I felt like a dick if I asked for paper because it was expensive for the store. Now I feel like a dick if I ask for paper even though it costs five cents per. I think it is effective codified public shaming.

\now leaves store with an armload of crap
\may need to see a shrink
 
2013-11-30 06:26:50 PM  

ghare: Tony_Pepperoni: Loggers rejoice..

Yeah! The only solution is paper! I won't use no damn cloth bag over and over, HAHAHA FARK YOU LIBS!


I saw a lady at the grocery store a few weeks ago with around 20 of those things.

/she was wearing paisley.
 
2013-11-30 06:28:28 PM  
It's a start. Plastic bags should be banned everywhere. So should most other plastics. Well, ideally all other plastics, but then we'd be left with a world where the majority are too stupid to know how to live without plastic.

/typing on a wooden keyboard
 
2013-11-30 06:29:38 PM  

Tony_Pepperoni: ghare: Tony_Pepperoni: Loggers rejoice..

Yeah! The only solution is paper! I won't use no damn cloth bag over and over, HAHAHA FARK YOU LIBS!

I saw a lady at the grocery store a few weeks ago with around 20 of those things.

/she was wearing paisley.


I understand paisley in "in" again

/My house had paisley linoleum in the kitchen when I moved in, under a cabinet they had evidently just put over it. I found it when I took out the cabinets...purple and black paisley...
 
2013-11-30 06:29:42 PM  

instantrebate: Before the ban, I felt like a dick if I asked for paper because it was expensive for the store. Now I feel like a dick if I ask for paper even though it costs five cents per. I think it is effective codified public shaming.

\now leaves store with an armload of crap
\may need to see a shrink


It's an interesting psychological question: when confronted with a change like this, do you feel guilty for asking for paper, or annoyed that you have to be bothered with something so trivial?
 
2013-11-30 06:32:06 PM  

JonnyG: It's a start. Plastic bags should be banned everywhere. So should most other plastics. Well, ideally all other plastics, but then we'd be left with a world where the majority are too stupid to know how to live without plastic.

/typing on a wooden keyboard


Yes, oil shouldn't be used for material that can be re-buried when it's outlived its usefulness.  That will leave more oil available for use as fuel, thus contributing CO2 to the atmosphere.
 
2013-11-30 06:34:12 PM  

JonnyG: It's a start. Plastic bags should be banned everywhere. So should most other plastics. Well, ideally all other plastics, but then we'd be left with a world where the majority are too stupid to know how to live without plastic.

/typing on a wooden keyboard


images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Approves.
 
2013-11-30 06:35:47 PM  

jshine: instantrebate: Before the ban, I felt like a dick if I asked for paper because it was expensive for the store. Now I feel like a dick if I ask for paper even though it costs five cents per. I think it is effective codified public shaming.

\now leaves store with an armload of crap
\may need to see a shrink

It's an interesting psychological question: when confronted with a change like this, do you feel guilty for asking for paper, or annoyed that you have to be bothered with something so trivial?


You have just made my annoyance with the ban more nuanced and my shrink's job more difficult. Thanks.
 
2013-11-30 06:36:19 PM  

jshine: instantrebate: Before the ban, I felt like a dick if I asked for paper because it was expensive for the store. Now I feel like a dick if I ask for paper even though it costs five cents per. I think it is effective codified public shaming.

\now leaves store with an armload of crap
\may need to see a shrink

It's an interesting psychological question: when confronted with a change like this, do you feel guilty for asking for paper, or annoyed that you have to be bothered with something so trivial?


It's not necessarily trivial though. There are a lot of side effects from the manufacture and use of those stupid bags. Just because they aren't having a huge impact on you, personally, right this second, doesn't mean they're trivial.

But nah, you're right, we can't do anything about anything, problems are always insoluble, externalities don't matter why bother?
 
2013-11-30 06:51:38 PM  

ghare: It's not necessarily trivial though. There are a lot of side effects from the manufacture and use of those stupid bags. Just because they aren't having a huge impact on you, personally, right this second, doesn't mean they're trivial.

But nah, you're right, we can't do anything about anything, problems are always insoluble, externalities don't matter why bother?


Yup.  They're a special nuisance for being scattered by wind and ending up in waterways, trees, etc.

Plastics should be for durable goods.  Oil is much more expensive than the current market price (which includes subsidies, but ignores most/all externalities, including geopolitical costs) in the US indicates.

jshine: Yes, oil shouldn't be used for material that can be re-buried when it's outlived its usefulness. That will leave more oil available for use as fuel,


Why would we burn more oil just because people are using fewer plastic bags?  Combustion is the dumbest use for a resource as chemically useful as petroleum.

jshine: No, a better "fark you" would be to buy a big box of disposable plastic bags from Costco and bring your own to the grocery store.


Or, you know, reuse bags.  It's not challenging.
 
2013-11-30 06:51:46 PM  
"Kill a tree, or choke a fish?"

-my local Safeway bagboy
 
2013-11-30 07:00:52 PM  
Yeah, screw that recycling kinda thing, lets just use all the natural resources and again, screw that recycling thing.
 
2013-11-30 07:02:35 PM  
I don't remember which town, but there was one in Massachusetts that had a nighttime ban on truck deliveries to stores. I worked for a distribution company at the time routing deliveries throughout the area, so had to take this into account.

Then the town council noticed all the daytime truck traffic, and passed a ban on daytime truck deliveries. There were many calls to stores in the town asking them to explain to their elected officials that they had effectively shut down all commerce as a result.
 
2013-11-30 07:05:51 PM  
Just buy a few large canvas bags for a couple bucks and leave them in the trunk. Then use them at the grocery store instead of paper or plastic. It saves the store time and money this way.
 
2013-11-30 07:06:42 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: [cdn.lolzbook.com image 540x378]


Yeah, but they don't stay around for long. The local Fred Meyers accepts them in a bin out in their cart area where they're recycled into that plastic lumber stuff.
 
2013-11-30 07:07:20 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Just buy a few large canvas bags for a couple bucks and leave them in the trunk. Then use them at the grocery store instead of paper or plastic. It saves the store time and money this way.


I just bought a Sherpa instead.
 
2013-11-30 07:29:27 PM  

chimp_ninja: jshine: Yes, oil shouldn't be used for material that can be re-buried when it's outlived its usefulness. That will leave more oil available for use as fuel,

Why would we burn more oil just because people are using fewer plastic bags? Combustion is the dumbest use for a resource as chemically useful as petroleum.


Yep, plastic bags are probably too small of a niche to account for a noticeable percentage of the oil consumed, so whether they are used or not, they'll likely make no noticeable impact on total oil demand.  ...but in principle, oil will go wherever the economics make sense.  Obviously current conditions favor its continued use as a fuel -- that's why we burn so damn much of it.  If a tiny fraction of oil doesn't go into polyethylene bag manufacture, that oil will be consumed by whatever the competing demands are, and fuel is very high on that list at present.
 
2013-11-30 07:31:57 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Just buy a few large canvas bags for a couple bucks and leave them in the trunk. Then use them at the grocery store instead of paper or plastic. It saves the store time and money this way.

I just bought a Sherpa instead.


I would favorite you for that if I wasn't so lazy.
 
2013-11-30 07:32:37 PM  

Boojum2k: I don't remember which town, but there was one in Massachusetts that had a nighttime ban on truck deliveries to stores. I worked for a distribution company at the time routing deliveries throughout the area, so had to take this into account.

Then the town council noticed all the daytime truck traffic, and passed a ban on daytime truck deliveries. There were many calls to stores in the town asking them to explain to their elected officials that they had effectively shut down all commerce as a result.


Town you can't remember in one of the state conservatives like to skewer for being liberal did something stupid? Totally legit story.
 
2013-11-30 07:33:24 PM  

jshine: ghare: Yeah, definitely, I'll drive an extra 20 miles each way to shop where more freedumbs! HAHA fark YOU LIBS!

No, a better "fark you" would be to buy a big box of disposable plastic bags from Costco and bring your own to the grocery store.


No, a better Fark you would be to take all your plastic bags youd normally recycle that you got from other towns where they are still legal and litter them all over that retarded town.
 
2013-11-30 07:36:29 PM  

ghare: jshine: instantrebate: Before the ban, I felt like a dick if I asked for paper because it was expensive for the store. Now I feel like a dick if I ask for paper even though it costs five cents per. I think it is effective codified public shaming.

\now leaves store with an armload of crap
\may need to see a shrink

It's an interesting psychological question: when confronted with a change like this, do you feel guilty for asking for paper, or annoyed that you have to be bothered with something so trivial?

It's not necessarily trivial though. There are a lot of side effects from the manufacture and use of those stupid bags. Just because they aren't having a huge impact on you, personally, right this second, doesn't mean they're trivial.

But nah, you're right, we can't do anything about anything, problems are always insoluble, externalities don't matter why bother?


Those bags are trivial.  In the grand scheme of civilization, if you think that your answer to "paper or plastic" is going to have a significant impact on the environment one way or the other, then you've got hugely-distorted sense of scale.

There *are* things that do matter and that can be done.  I'd be all for -- say -- improving CAFE standards or building codes (insulation, reflective roofing material for commercial properties, etc.).  Even tariffs can be used to manipulate energy consumption in a significant way.  Those things, if done well, will have almost zero impact on anyone's day-to-day life, but will have a much bigger impact on total energy consumption (and, thus, on the environment) than some "feel-good" local bag ordinance.
 
2013-11-30 07:39:25 PM  

jshine: Dinki: I remember when grocery stores first started to use plastic instead of paper. The hue and cry over it was considerable. Then people got used to it. People are like that.

I used to live right on the border between Sunnyvale & Cupertino, CA.  When Sunnyvale banned plastic bags at grocery stores, I just started shopping in Cupertino.  Aside from the obvious annoyance of not having grocery bags provided by the store, the things make convenient trash can liners.  If I didn't get them for free, I'd just end up buying them from Costco.


Haha! Same here.  Cupertino gets my shopping dollar now.

/Deforestation paper or landfill-burdening plastic?
//As long as you feel better.
 
2013-11-30 07:41:52 PM  
So now...here in Austin tx...one can buy a "reusable" plastic bag for a quarter made from heavier plastic.
 
2013-11-30 07:42:04 PM  
People still put food in polystyrene containers? To eat? Blech.

/you'll get over not having plastic bags anymore
 
2013-11-30 07:46:03 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: People still put food in polystyrene containers? To eat? Blech.

/you'll get over not having plastic bags anymore


Generally speaking, the food you put in your mouth doesn't directly touch the bag you use at the register.

/ not that there's anything wrong with polyethylene
// polyethylene is nontoxic, and the ethylene monomer is actually a naturally-occurring signalling molecule by certain types of fruit (e.g., bananas)
 
2013-11-30 07:47:08 PM  

jshine: The My Little Pony Killer: People still put food in polystyrene containers? To eat? Blech.

/you'll get over not having plastic bags anymore

Generally speaking, the food you put in your mouth doesn't directly touch the bag you use at the register.

/ not that there's anything wrong with polyethylene
// polyethylene is nontoxic, and the ethylene monomer is actually a naturally-occurring signalling molecule by certain types of fruit (e.g., bananas)


Care to count to ten and give what I wrote a re-read there, princess?
 
2013-11-30 07:48:00 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: People still put food in polystyrene containers? To eat? Blech.

/you'll get over not having plastic bags anymore


Oops, read that as polyethylene -- my bad.
 
2013-11-30 07:48:33 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: People still put food in polystyrene containers? To eat? Blech.

/you'll get over not having plastic bags anymore


I wish. I've asked McDonalds to ring back the old school containers, even if it's just a limited time only. No dice. Big Macs just don't taste right in cardboard...
 
2013-11-30 07:51:16 PM  

Ed Willy: Boojum2k: I don't remember which town, but there was one in Massachusetts that had a nighttime ban on truck deliveries to stores. I worked for a distribution company at the time routing deliveries throughout the area, so had to take this into account.

Then the town council noticed all the daytime truck traffic, and passed a ban on daytime truck deliveries. There were many calls to stores in the town asking them to explain to their elected officials that they had effectively shut down all commerce as a result.

Town you can't remember in one of the state conservatives like to skewer for being liberal did something stupid? Totally legit story.


Well then burden of proof is on the prosecution prove that no town in Mass ever did that beyond all shadow of a reasonable doubt.
 
2013-11-30 07:55:44 PM  
Ever drip model glue onto Styrofoam?
 
2013-11-30 07:59:23 PM  

Ed Willy: Town you can't remember in one of the state conservatives like to skewer for being liberal did something stupid? Totally legit story.



Yeah, sorry I don't remember all the names of towns that did stupid things from about ten years ago. It's an amusing anecdote, a true one that I experienced, not meant to be a grand statement on statewide politics.


Un-knot your panties, sunshine.
 
2013-11-30 08:02:53 PM  

Boojum2k: Un-knot your panties, sunshine.


You used the wrong pronoun.
 
2013-11-30 08:06:38 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Boojum2k: Un-knot your panties, sunshine.

You used the wrong pronoun.



I'm not asking Ed Willy to unknot someone elses twisted panties, he's the instantly defensive one with the wedgie.
 
2013-11-30 08:11:47 PM  
Just what are the good people of Brookline Mass gonna scoop their kitty litter into now?
 
2013-11-30 08:12:12 PM  
Serious question: how do I dispose of the cat poo now?
 
2013-11-30 08:13:47 PM  

Boojum2k: Danger Avoid Death: Boojum2k: Un-knot your panties, sunshine.

You used the wrong pronoun.


I'm not asking Ed Willy to unknot someone elses twisted panties, he's the instantly defensive one with the wedgie.


Sorry. Sometimes I cross-thread my jokes.
 
2013-11-30 08:13:50 PM  

ModeratelyProfane: Just what are the good people of Brookline Mass gonna scoop their kitty litter into now?

daveUSMC: Serious question: how do I dispose of the cat poo now?


Dirt?
 
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