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2013-11-30 02:43:10 PM
i hereby reject the tyranny of hetero-normative society and demand that i be referred to using the novel pronoun 'Dr. Funkenstein'.
 
2013-11-30 04:15:11 PM
I self identify as a dinosaur and I'll bite anyone in half at the torso if they refuse to respect that.
 
2013-11-30 04:44:32 PM
How will these delicate flowers react after graduation when the real world gives no farks at all about their pronoun preferences?
 
2013-11-30 05:11:15 PM
s2.quickmeme.com
 
2013-11-30 05:12:10 PM
Is that a picture of Justin Bieber in the article?
 
2013-11-30 05:12:25 PM
I prefer "Your Lordship".
 
2013-11-30 05:12:53 PM

Nabb1: How will these delicate flowers react after graduation when the real world gives no farks at all about their pronoun preferences?


I don't give a fark right now...
 
2013-11-30 05:13:09 PM
It's cool, I'll just call them "you".

"Hey you, make my coffee."
 
2013-11-30 05:14:51 PM

js34603: It's cool, I'll just call them "you".

"Hey you, make my coffee."


"You, I asked for paper, not plastic." would also be acceptable.
 
2013-11-30 05:16:42 PM
www.plasticbrickautomaton.com
 
2013-11-30 05:17:28 PM
Those "girls" are going to be disappointed when they realize the rest of the planet actually considers gender and sex to be the same thing.
 
2013-11-30 05:18:47 PM
Though still in search of mainstream acceptance, students and staff members who describe themselves in terms such as agender, bigender, third gender or gender-fluid are requesting - and sometimes finding - linguistic recognition.

I choose to identify as hotwingagender, which is characterized as putting my third gender into bigenders and releasing my gender-fluid.
 
2013-11-30 05:19:23 PM

jshine: I prefer "Your Lordship".


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2013-11-30 05:20:41 PM
I'm going with "El Commandante".
 
2013-11-30 05:20:46 PM
If I were mean I'd be like "I'm calling you all c**ts." when they object I'd asked "Well do you have a physical one?" When they all raise their hands or most then "Well, there you go. You're all c**ts." Preferred my gender my ass.

Instead I do the normal thing and just avoid the likes of them and probably would think they're not quite butch lesbians upon seeing them (or Justin Beiber fans).
 
2013-11-30 05:20:51 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-30 05:23:36 PM
...transgender students moving from one side of the gender spectrum to the other.

What kind of spectrum has only two sides? Or is this a slip of the tongue acknowledging that the spectrum concept is just a social construct, like the male/female one, but one that -- while affirming and empowering for the marginalized -- is unnecessary and simply not worth bothering about for the vast majority of people who would rather get along with "he"/"she" just fine? Naaaah.
 
2013-11-30 05:24:11 PM
You can call yourself whatever you want, but it doesn't mean other people have to accept it.

While all the liberals like to group everything L G B T INFINITY together, there is a huge difference between someone who accepts their own genitals and likes the same sex, vs someone who self identifies with the opposite sex.

/gay and accepts his penis
//still confused by the trans folk
 
2013-11-30 05:24:18 PM
"Look at me! I'm new and original! Everything changes now!"
 
2013-11-30 05:24:19 PM
I'll just use "annoying biatch" as their pronoun.
 
2013-11-30 05:30:10 PM
I am a Cis-Rabbit-Tinyfoot...

/obscure?
 
2013-11-30 05:31:17 PM
or you know you could be respectful of what someone wants to call themselves and be referred to. Maybe think about what it would be like to feel the way they did? Or not you could just be a douche.
/Cis male
//show some empathy for christs sake
 
2013-11-30 05:32:32 PM
That was an excruciating read. I need three aspirins now.
 
2013-11-30 05:35:23 PM
These people...

...need to learn the first song all English speaking babies should have learned before they could talk. It starts a little something like this:

"I saw her today at the re-CEP-tion
A glass of wine in her hand..."

The world does not need to shift to accommodate your confused (or self-obsessed) asses.
 
2013-11-30 05:36:39 PM
How do they feel about other the numerous languages with male/female inanimate objects?

How do they feel about der Staubsauger?

HOW DO THEY FEEL ABOUT DER STAUBSAUGER!?!

/genuinely curious
 
2013-11-30 05:37:19 PM

Nabb1: How will these delicate flowers react after graduation when the real world gives no farks at all about their pronoun preferences?


Not giving a shiat about a woman's pronoun preferences = rape.  ( I read that on Jezebel, I think)
 
2013-11-30 05:37:42 PM

Nabb1: How will these delicate flowers react after graduation when the real world gives no farks at all about their pronoun preferences?


My very reaction. Unfortunately, not every interaction can be tailored to personal preferences - what is truly necessary is a gender-agnostic pronoun that can be used in all situations, one which can be easily adopted, and one which doesn't require "turf wars" to put into place.

In other words, something like "one". "Can one suggest where I may find a paper?", "Does one prefer cream or sugar?", "Is one ready to order, etc.?"

It's not a "liberal" issue (or a "conservative" issue, or a "LGBT" issue...) as much as it is a "cultural" issue. We need to move to a gender-agnostic culture, one in which gender is an attribute of a person. Supporting a gender-agnostic pronoun would be a more societally inclusive move, rather than having ever-smaller groups attempt to control self-identity and establish even smaller, societally exclusive groups through custom, gender-specific pronouns.
 
2013-11-30 05:37:44 PM
Taking a romance language at one of these places must be a nightmare.
 
2013-11-30 05:38:56 PM
If you drop and forget the annoying affluent liberal arts LGBT dialect, this is the first move towards gender equality.

How many western third wave feminists complain about lack of absolute equality in male-female relations but forget that true equality would be losing some benefits.

\You wouldn't hit a ze, would you?
 
2013-11-30 05:39:33 PM

FormlessOne: In other words, something like "one". "Can one suggest where I may find a paper?", "Does one prefer cream or sugar?", "Is one ready to order, etc.?"


One is ready to f*cking barf.
 
2013-11-30 05:40:21 PM
If society keeps heading in this direction we are going to end up like the elves in Tolkien's books.
 
2013-11-30 05:41:16 PM
I was thinking the same thing Gozar...... If these colleges have their perfect world, all of the romance languages would have to be banned... Let's see how far that goes.
 
2013-11-30 05:43:32 PM

Enemabag Jones: If you drop and forget the annoying affluent liberal arts LGBT dialect, this is the first move towards gender equality.

How many western third wave feminists complain about lack of absolute equality in male-female relations but forget that true equality would be losing some benefits.

\You wouldn't hit a ze, would you?


Right in the gender neutral crotch.
 
2013-11-30 05:43:43 PM

linemanbear: //still confused by the trans folk


How do trans people confuse you?
 
2013-11-30 05:44:14 PM
I've never understood how Mills College makes 2 + 2 = 5 in the Real World.  Do they accept govt. funding?  Can you imagine the absolute shiat-STORM of indignant fury and protest that would explode on the Mills campus if some sexist asshole opened a "men only" college across the road?
 
2013-11-30 05:45:58 PM

Danger Avoid Death: FormlessOne: In other words, something like "one". "Can one suggest where I may find a paper?", "Does one prefer cream or sugar?", "Is one ready to order, etc.?"

One is ready to f*cking barf.


Perhaps - it's an irritation, but one that, I think, we may need to adopt to avoid yet another dimension of tribalism blocking societal progress. I can more easily see acceptance of a gender-agnostic pronoun than I can having to remember specific, personal pronouns for each person I know, depending on what they feel like using that day. For earlier generations, a gender-agnostic pronoun would be much easier to adopt than this bizarre, fickle, fluid self-identification, as well.

I agree with their motives, but not with their actions, honestly. We talk about 'women's rights' and 'gay rights' and <insert subgroup here> rights without working out that we still have a gender "wall" built into the very languages we use with each other. Removing the gender wall is a good idea - replacing it with a gender maze is not.
 
2013-11-30 05:46:42 PM

Danger Avoid Death: FormlessOne: In other words, something like "one". "Can one suggest where I may find a paper?", "Does one prefer cream or sugar?", "Is one ready to order, etc.?"

One is ready to f*cking barf.


We should try out each of the different words and see which we like.

They're ready to f*cking barf.

Or

They are ready to f*cking barf.

Using 'one' sounds too much like talking about yourself in the third person to me. Also, should people with multiple personalities conjugate using plurals?
 
2013-11-30 05:47:55 PM
The biggest problem I see with this latest round of collegiate navel-gazing is that there's absolutely no consistency from one person to the next.  How could you possibly know what someone's "preferred" pronoun is without them telling you?  Pronouns aren't farking names.

There's no "rule" to apply, which is why this is never going to catch on, at least not in the completely self-absorbed fashion it is exercised now.  Define a standard that can be developed into a series of grammatical rules and it might, MIGHT, take off in a century or so.  But "just ask the person what pronoun they want you to use when referring to them" destinies this entire silly exercise to the dustbin of history, and deservedly so.
 
2013-11-30 05:48:14 PM
I'm all for equality, but I find fixation on identity politics to be a little odd.
 
2013-11-30 05:49:48 PM
"sophomore Skylar Crownover, 19, who is president of Mouthing Off! and prefers to be mentioned as a singular they, but also answers to he."

i think the MPD/DID people had dibs on the 'singular they' pronoun.
 
2013-11-30 05:50:20 PM

gozar_the_destroyer: Danger Avoid Death: FormlessOne: In other words, something like "one". "Can one suggest where I may find a paper?", "Does one prefer cream or sugar?", "Is one ready to order, etc.?"

One is ready to f*cking barf.

We should try out each of the different words and see which we like.

They're ready to f*cking barf.

Or

They are ready to f*cking barf.

Using 'one' sounds too much like talking about yourself in the third person to me. Also, should people with multiple personalities conjugate using plurals?


I'm all for whatever word works - something monosyllabic, something that can't easily be confused with another, gender-specific pronoun. I'm not for introducing several new, gender-specific pronouns, though. Rebrand "thee" and "thou", for example, or use one of the other suggestions, like "ze" - I'm not married (ha, ha) any given word.
 
2013-11-30 05:50:29 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Enemabag Jones: If you drop and forget the annoying affluent liberal arts LGBT dialect, this is the first move towards gender equality.

How many western third wave feminists complain about lack of absolute equality in male-female relations but forget that true equality would be losing some benefits.

\You wouldn't hit a ze, would you?

Right in the gender neutral crotch.


Like the clenched appendage of a highly advanced being that receives prayers from lesser beings?
 
2013-11-30 05:51:11 PM

FormlessOne: In other words, something like "one". "Can one suggest where I may find a paper?", "Does one prefer cream or sugar?", "Is one ready to order, etc.?"


Nice assumption that everyone walks around with only a single personality.
 
2013-11-30 05:51:26 PM

Nabb1: How will these delicate flowers react after graduation when the real world gives no farks at all about their pronoun preferences?


You do realize that, now-a-days, companies have to respect that choice of pronoun. Coming soon, to a shopping mall near you, a bathroom with a big question mark on the door.

/ personally, I blame Obama for this

// I blame Obama for most things
 
2013-11-30 05:51:33 PM

FormlessOne: Nabb1: How will these delicate flowers react after graduation when the real world gives no farks at all about their pronoun preferences?

My very reaction. Unfortunately, not every interaction can be tailored to personal preferences - what is truly necessary is a gender-agnostic pronoun that can be used in all situations, one which can be easily adopted, and one which doesn't require "turf wars" to put into place.

In other words, something like "one". "Can one suggest where I may find a paper?", "Does one prefer cream or sugar?", "Is one ready to order, etc.?"

It's not a "liberal" issue (or a "conservative" issue, or a "LGBT" issue...) as much as it is a "cultural" issue. We need to move to a gender-agnostic culture, one in which gender is an attribute of a person. Supporting a gender-agnostic pronoun would be a more societally inclusive move, rather than having ever-smaller groups attempt to control self-identity and establish even smaller, societally exclusive groups through custom, gender-specific pronouns.


So, "you"?
 
2013-11-30 05:51:57 PM
"Cisgender" absolutely cracks me up.

"A person whose gender identity aligns with the sex they were assigned at birth"

Are those kinds of people new? We had to think of a word for them?

Or maybe I'm over simplifying. Does "cisgender" assume that sometimes a baby with a normal penis is assigned the gender of female at birth, and then subsequently does identify as female?
 
2013-11-30 05:52:12 PM
Anyone yet claiming to be a homosexual lesbian trapped in a lesbian homosexual's body?

/i'm off to stand in my garage and make vroom vroom noises
//you can all refer to me as Ferrari 250GT from now on
///the privileged few will be allowed to rub me with a soft diaper
 
2013-11-30 05:52:55 PM
gay, lesbian or tranny,


All you need to know.
 
2013-11-30 05:53:46 PM

Lsherm: The biggest problem I see with this latest round of collegiate navel-gazing is that there's absolutely no consistency from one person to the next.  How could you possibly know what someone's "preferred" pronoun is without them telling you?  Pronouns aren't farking names.

There's no "rule" to apply, which is why this is never going to catch on, at least not in the completely self-absorbed fashion it is exercised now.  Define a standard that can be developed into a series of grammatical rules and it might, MIGHT, take off in a century or so.  But "just ask the person what pronoun they want you to use when referring to them" destinies this entire silly exercise to the dustbin of history, and deservedly so.


My very gripe. They've clearly identified the problem space, but their solution design & implementation causes more issues than it solves. Moving towards a gender-agnostic or gender-neutral approach is far desirable, at least in my mind, than the new mishmash of gender-specific pronouns, which can apparently change not just from person to person, but from time to time for a single person as well. Much easier to start with a gender-agnostic solution, and then refine a gender-specific set as needed for specificity as we move towards a society in which gender and sex are, at best, loosely coupled.
 
2013-11-30 05:54:11 PM
I find it funny that you guys seem to care more about what these people want to be called than they do.

Seriously, it's not a big deal. If someone asks to be refereed to as "ze" or "they", just do it. I'll make them happy, and it's literally 0 extra effort for you. It's no different from saying "please" or "think you".
 
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