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(The Raw Story)   No matter how bad your day is going, it's not going as badly as these people who had to bail out of their cars on a wind-whipped Seattle suspension bridge earlier this month   (rawstory.com) divider line 60
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2013-11-30 01:41:20 PM
Repeat from 1940?
 
2013-11-30 02:34:38 PM
They didn't have to.
 
2013-11-30 03:19:14 PM

Gig103: Repeat from 1940?




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2013-11-30 03:20:36 PM

Gecko Gingrich: They didn't have to.


You're right, and doing so was dangerous.  The people who left their vehicles were being stupid.
 
2013-11-30 03:20:51 PM
Isn't that a floating bridge?  Therefore not a suspension bridge like Tacoma-Narrows was.
 
2013-11-30 03:24:28 PM

Nefarious: Isn't that a floating bridge?  Therefore not a suspension bridge like Tacoma-Narrows was.


Correct.  What happened to the old Tacoma Narrows bridge could not happen to 520.  This was just a case of people panicking for no good reason.
 
2013-11-30 04:50:58 PM

FloydA: You're right, and doing so was dangerous. The people who left their vehicles were being stupid.


My point, only more better.
 
2013-11-30 04:52:14 PM
There's a tragedy of the commons problem, tho. If enough people start evacuating their cars, the people behind them can no longer cross, and must either evacuate, too, or stay in their car all day during a storm.
 
2013-11-30 04:53:31 PM
Oh hey, my friend wrote that article, neato
 
2013-11-30 04:55:02 PM

FloydA: Nefarious: Isn't that a floating bridge?  Therefore not a suspension bridge like Tacoma-Narrows was.

Correct.  What happened to the old Tacoma Narrows bridge could not happen to 520.  This was just a case of people panicking for no good reason.


Not to say they weren't overreactionary hystericals, but there is a perfectly good reason for people to panic on a floating bridge in bad weather.

See Hood Canal bridge 1979

bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hood_Canal_Bridge
 
2013-11-30 04:58:47 PM
Gecko Gingrich:  Correct.  What happened to the old Tacoma Narrows bridge could not happen to 520.  This was just a case of people panicking for no good reason.

There was water flowing over the floating bridge. Seems to me a perfectly good reason to be startled.
 
2013-11-30 05:00:07 PM
Subby: "had to bail out of their cars"

911 dispatcher: inigomontoya.jpeg!
 
2013-11-30 05:00:39 PM
They may have overreacted, but I feel for them.

Mackinac Bridge is scary as hell when it's very windy.
 
2013-11-30 05:01:11 PM
It would suck to be stuck in your car unable to move. I could see a lot of people freaking out. What are you gonna do? Sit there for potentially hours and get out and walk? Either way, your day is farked, that's for sure.
 
2013-11-30 05:01:32 PM
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2013-11-30 05:05:07 PM
It is my understanding that a bridge is supposed to start at ground level and then GO UP AND OVER the river. Not the other way around.
 
2013-11-30 05:06:14 PM
Those calls didn't sound very harrowing.  They sounded more like information requests.
 
2013-11-30 05:07:06 PM

SCUBA_Archer: FloydA: Nefarious: Isn't that a floating bridge?  Therefore not a suspension bridge like Tacoma-Narrows was.

Correct.  What happened to the old Tacoma Narrows bridge could not happen to 520.  This was just a case of people panicking for no good reason.

Not to say they weren't overreactionary hystericals, but there is a perfectly good reason for people to panic on a floating bridge in bad weather.

See Hood Canal bridge 1979



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hood_Canal_Bridge


A bridge sank 30 years ago under far worse conditions with no injuries or deaths. Therefore people should panic. Right?
 
2013-11-30 05:09:26 PM
This just proves that we could end world hunger and all sorts of human suffering if only the existing 520 bridge was wide enough to accommodate breakdown lanes.
 
2013-11-30 05:10:33 PM

Sim Tree: There's a tragedy of the commons problem, tho. If enough people start evacuating their cars, the people behind them can no longer cross, and must either evacuate, too, or stay in their car all day during a storm.


They just didn't understand the concept of the Chinese Fire Drill.
 
2013-11-30 05:12:40 PM

dobro: It is my understanding that a bridge is supposed to start at ground level and then GO UP AND OVER the river. Not the other way around.


It's Lake Washington, not a river. While that was a decent wind storm, these people overreacted. I wonder how many of the 50 cars still had their California license plates. The I-90 bridge also crosses the lake and is elevated as you describe.
 
2013-11-30 05:22:11 PM

AbuHashish: dobro: It is my understanding that a bridge is supposed to start at ground level and then GO UP AND OVER the river. Not the other way around.

It's Lake Washington, not a river. While that was a decent wind storm, these people overreacted. I wonder how many of the 50 cars still had their California license plates. The I-90 bridge also crosses the lake and is elevated as you describe.


Lol. They sound Californian.
I've been over that bridge before. Wind can get nasty but basic rush hour traffic is much more of a pain.
 
2013-11-30 05:22:19 PM
Bunch of idiots proving that yes, they really won't use math and science again after high school.
 
2013-11-30 05:24:24 PM
Didn't the DOT actually close the bridge for a couple of hours?
 
2013-11-30 05:25:28 PM
I blame Mothman.
 
2013-11-30 05:25:43 PM
Yeah, sounds annoying, being stuck behind those idiots, and not as bad as my day.  Been cleaning out the apartment since my wife moved out.  Today I came across a copy of our vows and the cake topper...
 
2013-11-30 05:27:16 PM

litespeed74: AbuHashish: dobro: It is my understanding that a bridge is supposed to start at ground level and then GO UP AND OVER the river. Not the other way around.

It's Lake Washington, not a river. While that was a decent wind storm, these people overreacted. I wonder how many of the 50 cars still had their California license plates. The I-90 bridge also crosses the lake and is elevated as you describe.

Lol. They sound Californian.
I've been over that bridge before. Wind can get nasty but basic rush hour traffic is much more of a pain.


Californian here. Drove over that bridge at night when the water was glassy smooth. With all the lights and reflection of the lights it was so damned beautiful that once I got to the other side, I turned around and crossed it again twice more just for the pure enjoyment of it.
 
2013-11-30 05:28:32 PM
Its because there are idiots out there that will actually stop on a bridge and block escape that we should be allowed to carry an rpg-7 in our vehicles. Nothing clears your path of stupidity like a rocket propelled grenade.
 
2013-11-30 05:32:12 PM

Danger Avoid Death: litespeed74: AbuHashish: dobro: It is my understanding that a bridge is supposed to start at ground level and then GO UP AND OVER the river. Not the other way around.

It's Lake Washington, not a river. While that was a decent wind storm, these people overreacted. I wonder how many of the 50 cars still had their California license plates. The I-90 bridge also crosses the lake and is elevated as you describe.

Lol. They sound Californian.
I've been over that bridge before. Wind can get nasty but basic rush hour traffic is much more of a pain.

Californian here. Drove over that bridge at night when the water was glassy smooth. With all the lights and reflection of the lights it was so damned beautiful that once I got to the other side, I turned around and crossed it again twice more just for the pure enjoyment of it.


You used to be able to catch some pretty nice trout, perch and believe it or not crawfish in that lake.  Not any more.
 
2013-11-30 05:38:34 PM
I just don't get why they didn't close one end of the bridge, let the remaining cars on the bridge through, and then close the whole span. Seems weird that they stopped everyone mid-span with no option but to evacuate their vehicles. Did some idiots evacuate their cars mid-span and block everyone else in instead of just continuing on to the end of the bridge?
 
2013-11-30 05:41:19 PM

peacheslatour: Danger Avoid Death: litespeed74: AbuHashish: dobro: It is my understanding that a bridge is supposed to start at ground level and then GO UP AND OVER the river. Not the other way around.

It's Lake Washington, not a river. While that was a decent wind storm, these people overreacted. I wonder how many of the 50 cars still had their California license plates. The I-90 bridge also crosses the lake and is elevated as you describe.

Lol. They sound Californian.
I've been over that bridge before. Wind can get nasty but basic rush hour traffic is much more of a pain.

Californian here. Drove over that bridge at night when the water was glassy smooth. With all the lights and reflection of the lights it was so damned beautiful that once I got to the other side, I turned around and crossed it again twice more just for the pure enjoyment of it.

You used to be able to catch some pretty nice trout, perch and believe it or not crawfish in that lake.  Not any more.


That's truly a damned shame. What happened? Yeah, I know. People happened. *sigh*
 
2013-11-30 05:55:58 PM
knight_on_the_rail : A bridge sank 30 years ago under far worse conditions with no injuries or deaths.

1) You're assuming that both bridges were built to withstand the same conditions.

But beside that

2) That bridge was closed to traffic.

Hence no injuries or deaths.

It's one thing for a bridge to fail under really farked up conditions, because the worse conditions pushes people more toward the cautious end of the scale. Close bridges, stay at home, etc.

It's another issue when a bridge is full of cars and water is flowing over it.

// if the bridge had floated away folks would be in here saying 'why didn't those idiots get out and walk when water started flowing over the bridge'.
 
2013-11-30 05:58:23 PM
That bridge sways and waves crash over the sides in high winds, but it's not too bad as long as the waves aren't too big for the windshield wipers to handle.

Seems like if I were driving across a bridge and had reason to think it might fail, my response would be to step on the gas and get the fark off there ASAP. Stopping is the worst thing to do.

Of course, this is Seattle, where far too many people automatically hit the brakes in any place where there ever has been or possibly could be any kind of slowdown or hazard ahead, even when they can see that it's all clear and everyone else is doing the speed limit. They're so used to big backups that when traffic is actually moving, they don't know what to do.
 
2013-11-30 06:05:37 PM

Mad_Radhu: I just don't get why they didn't close one end of the bridge, let the remaining cars on the bridge through, and then close the whole span. Seems weird that they stopped everyone mid-span with no option but to evacuate their vehicles. Did some idiots evacuate their cars mid-span and block everyone else in instead of just continuing on to the end of the bridge?


Because the 60 committees, coalitions and County Depts. couldn't agree on shiat?
 
2013-11-30 06:13:20 PM
Anyone who left their car in the middle of the bridge should have been ticketed and those cars impounded. A pet peeve of mine is people using warning flashers in heavy rains. All of it is illegal and dangerous. If you're scared of the road conditions then get off the road. Don't drive. Just because you or your vehicle can't handle the road conditions doesn't mean superior skilled drivers and their vehicles can. Stop expecting others to act how you want them to, its selfish.

/and pull to the right! Yes I'm speeding - fark you, you're not a cop. Stop trying to enforce the law! When I end up passing you on the right it's just more dangerous for all of us.
 
2013-11-30 06:20:18 PM
That bridge gets like that a few times per year and I've driven it in those conditions many times. I drove the bridge that day and have seen it much worse... Yes I've even seen a giant wave slosh over the south side of the bridge and swamp some east bound cars. Then they just slowed down appropriately and kept going...

The worst and most stupid thing I have ever heard was when people stopped, got out of the their cars, abandoning them in the middle of the bridge... Those people should be slapped... I am glad the State Police forced those dumbasses to back to their cars.  They were making things 3x worse by stopping and leaving their cars.
 
2013-11-30 06:21:50 PM
That bridge isn't safe to drive on without wind or cars in the way. "Is it safe?"
 
2013-11-30 06:44:29 PM

lordargent: knight_on_the_rail : A bridge sank 30 years ago under far worse conditions with no injuries or deaths.

1) You're assuming that both bridges were built to withstand the same conditions.

But beside that

2) That bridge was closed to traffic.

Hence no injuries or deaths.

It's one thing for a bridge to fail under really farked up conditions, because the worse conditions pushes people more toward the cautious end of the scale. Close bridges, stay at home, etc.

It's another issue when a bridge is full of cars and water is flowing over it.

// if the bridge had floated away folks would be in here saying 'why didn't those idiots get out and walk when water started flowing over the bridge'.


1) I'm not assuming any similarities, my point is that there are almost none.

2) They closed the bridge in '79 because conditions were bad enough that they felt it might collapse, which it did. In TFA the bridge wasn't closed because the conditions at that time weren't bad enough to warrant closing it, hence no injuries or death.

// If the bridge had floated away people on here would be saying, 'good thing they closed that bridge that floated away, otherwise there would have been people on it.'
 
2013-11-30 06:47:02 PM
Back in the late 80's / early 90's my grandparents were visiting us from Oklahoma. While bringing them home from the airport we crossed the I-90 floating bridge. Despite my dad's reassurances that it was safe my grandmother was terribly freaked out and sure it would sink. The week after they went home it sunk.
 
2013-11-30 06:55:35 PM

peacheslatour: Danger Avoid Death: litespeed74: AbuHashish: dobro: It is my understanding that a bridge is supposed to start at ground level and then GO UP AND OVER the river. Not the other way around.

It's Lake Washington, not a river. While that was a decent wind storm, these people overreacted. I wonder how many of the 50 cars still had their California license plates. The I-90 bridge also crosses the lake and is elevated as you describe.

Lol. They sound Californian.
I've been over that bridge before. Wind can get nasty but basic rush hour traffic is much more of a pain.

Californian here. Drove over that bridge at night when the water was glassy smooth. With all the lights and reflection of the lights it was so damned beautiful that once I got to the other side, I turned around and crossed it again twice more just for the pure enjoyment of it.

You used to be able to catch some pretty nice trout, perch and believe it or not crawfish in that lake.  Not any more.


Yup. The fish probably loved the raw sewage pumped into the lake.
 
2013-11-30 07:07:33 PM

AbuHashish: dobro: It is my understanding that a bridge is supposed to start at ground level and then GO UP AND OVER the river. Not the other way around.

It's Lake Washington, not a river. While that was a decent wind storm, these people overreacted. I wonder how many of the 50 cars still had their California license plates. The I-90 bridge also crosses the lake and is elevated as you describe.


THIS!

I have never met a more weather shy group of idiots than california drivers.
 
2013-11-30 07:11:52 PM
Yup. The fish probably loved the raw sewage pumped into the lake.

Mmmmm delicious, delicious raw sewage.
 
2013-11-30 07:21:16 PM

FloydA: Nefarious: Isn't that a floating bridge?  Therefore not a suspension bridge like Tacoma-Narrows was.

Correct.  What happened to the old Tacoma Narrows bridge could not happen to 520.  This was just a case of people panicking for no good reason.


These are the same stupid people who drive thirty on the freeway when it rains!
 
2013-11-30 07:27:38 PM
as a Washington State Native I would like to point out that although MANY of our bridges fall down and sink in bad weather, or when they are hit by over large trucks, or Ferry boats, or Freighters, or Barges, very few people have died in these incidents.

what are the odds?

bridges everywhere.

heh
 
2013-11-30 07:28:26 PM
Came for Galloping Gertie, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-11-30 07:28:51 PM

bratface: FloydA: Nefarious: Isn't that a floating bridge?  Therefore not a suspension bridge like Tacoma-Narrows was.

Correct.  What happened to the old Tacoma Narrows bridge could not happen to 520.  This was just a case of people panicking for no good reason.

These are the same stupid people who drive thirty on the freeway when it rains!


In Seattle FFS!
 
2013-11-30 07:59:22 PM

JoshTheTech: A pet peeve of mine is people using warning flashers in heavy rains.


Sorry, bro, anytime I'm doing less than half the speed limit those flashers are on.  You can get hit from behind if you want.

New car has a rear fog light that I need to learn how to turn on, actually.
 
2013-11-30 08:19:46 PM
Pussies. I've set the cruise at 60 and driven that bridge with waves on the roadway and blowing snow.

Farking foreigners got their driver's licenses out of cereal boxes.
 
2013-11-30 08:28:55 PM

Man On Pink Corner: JoshTheTech: A pet peeve of mine is people using warning flashers in heavy rains.

Sorry, bro, anytime I'm doing less than half the speed limit those flashers are on.  You can get hit from behind if you want.

New car has a rear fog light that I need to learn how to turn on, actually.


Just don't do that after the bars close. Drunks tend to steer toward the blinking lights.
 
2013-11-30 09:03:46 PM
www.mdta.maryland.gov

The Harry Nice bridge connecting  MD and VA is always a treat during high winds
 
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