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(Chicago Trib)   Illinois Department of Transportation says 95% of drivers in the Illinois Tollway speed. The other 5% are always in the fast lane going the speed limit WITH THEIR F*CKING TURN SIGNAL ON GET THE HELL OVER YOU JACKASS   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 107
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-30 02:31:59 PM
In related news, drivers on the Illinois Tollway go about the same speed as drivers in parts of America that don't deserve to be leveled and sown with salt, no matter what those decorative signs by the side of the road say.
 
2013-11-30 03:04:08 PM
I've driven through there.  It's  not as bad as southern IL where the ratio is flopped.

I have a theory.  The more conservative a state is, the more of this "fark you I got mine" behavior you see.

I actually got flipped off once after passing someone.
 
2013-11-30 03:06:32 PM
I ... Can't ... Drive ..............55.
 
2013-11-30 03:08:11 PM
Sounds like 95% of people should have their licenses permanently revoked. Law breaking asses.
 
2013-11-30 03:09:33 PM

Mister Peejay: I've driven through there.  It's  not as bad as southern IL where the ratio is flopped.

I have a theory.  The more conservative a state is, the more of this "fark you I got mine" behavior you see.

I actually got flipped off once after passing someone.


I got flipped off one time when I was pulling up behind a line of cars waiting at a red light.  I stopped with enough space between me and the car in front of me so a woman could make a left turn into her driveway.  She flipped me off as she drove through the space I left for her.  Some people have serious anger issues.
 
2013-11-30 03:09:34 PM

had98c: Sounds like 95% of people should have their licenses permanently revoked. Law breaking asses.


THIS.  I'm ok with enforcing the "drive on the left" rule as long as the speed limit gets enforced as well.
 
2013-11-30 03:11:38 PM
Here in southern IL, no one drives the speed limit, especially on the 67 four-lane/255 expressway.

During construction on the expressway, there were police cars all over the road enforcing speed limit construction zones.  I saw a driver right next to me going the speed limit, and as soon as there were no police cars in sight, she gunned it to 65 and I was just plodding along at 45.  Next thing I know, another police car comes down the opposite lane, and she slammed on her brakes harder than anyone I've ever seen.  I laughed.  Out loud.  Really hard.
 
2013-11-30 03:12:32 PM
Every other month I run neighbors down to h-mart, Assi, etc. because they are scared of driving in Chicago.
 
2013-11-30 03:12:58 PM
Most of the maniac speeders I see are lane-diving jerks anyway, so why do they care so much about someone driving slower than them in ANY lane?
 
2013-11-30 03:14:07 PM

Warlordtrooper: had98c: Sounds like 95% of people should have their licenses permanently revoked. Law breaking asses.

THIS.  I'm ok with enforcing the "drive on the left" rule as long as the speed limit gets enforced as well.


The speed limit is far more enforced than the passing lane laws.

/every driving thread with these assclowns
 
2013-11-30 03:14:37 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Mister Peejay: I've driven through there.  It's  not as bad as southern IL where the ratio is flopped.

I have a theory.  The more conservative a state is, the more of this "fark you I got mine" behavior you see.

I actually got flipped off once after passing someone.

I got flipped off one time when I was pulling up behind a line of cars waiting at a red light.  I stopped with enough space between me and the car in front of me so a woman could make a left turn into her driveway.  She flipped me off as she drove through the space I left for her.  Some people have serious anger issues.


Maybe she thought you were propositioning her.
 
2013-11-30 03:14:38 PM
"Every other month I run neighbors down"  You too?!

.."to h-mart, .."  oh. :(
 
2013-11-30 03:15:06 PM
I can't imagine how fast you have to be going to be pull over by the Illinois State Police on the Tri-State.  It's like having a NASCAR race for a commute.  And I'm not going to talk about the continual construction bull-shiat.
 
2013-11-30 03:15:30 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Mister Peejay: I've driven through there.  It's  not as bad as southern IL where the ratio is flopped.

I have a theory.  The more conservative a state is, the more of this "fark you I got mine" behavior you see.

I actually got flipped off once after passing someone.

I got flipped off one time when I was pulling up behind a line of cars waiting at a red light.  I stopped with enough space between me and the car in front of me so a woman could make a left turn into her driveway.  She flipped me off as she drove through the space I left for her.  Some people have serious anger issues.


I got flipped off by a Mennonite woman in a black van at a Wal-Mart in Pennsylvania. To this day, I don't know what she was mad at. But I had to laugh. If you're going to get angry, at least get angry at something.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-30 03:15:47 PM
Mister Peejay: I have a theory. The more conservative a state is, the more of this "fark you I got mine" behavior you see.
I actually got flipped off once after passing someone.


I think somebody wrote a letter to the editor after I passed him on Route 128 near Boston. The description of the event matched up with the car that flashed headlights after being passed.

I don't agree with political correlation. The liberal Pacific Northwest (coastal strip) has a reputation for left lane blocking. In much of "flyover country" the little traffic is usually close to the limit without getting in the way of faster cars.
 
2013-11-30 03:15:51 PM

had98c: Sounds like 95% of people should have their licenses permanently revoked. Law breaking asses.


Sounds more like the speed is set too low in order to generate ticket revenue since the road clearly supports a higher safe speed than what is posted.
 
2013-11-30 03:16:21 PM

had98c: Sounds like 95% of people should have their licenses permanently revoked. Law breaking asses.


So I've driven through there a few times.

Getting from Detroit to St. Louis:
Indiana is 70.  Everybody goes 85 because Indiana has the same "Live and Let Live" theory as Michigan.
Illinois immediately drops to 55.  Everyone else goes 85.  I go 65 because I'm trying to balance not getting another speeding ticket with not dying.
Then there's that farking bridge on I-80.  Speed Limit drops to 45.  I'm still going 65.  Everyone else is still going 85.
Then I-55 is 65 MPH, and I just go 65 because that's a speed trap highway.


When 95% of the people on the road are speeding, you have a shiatty speed limit.

/FORTY-FIVE.
 
2013-11-30 03:17:01 PM
How about we just follow Germany's lead and have tougher driving tests, better inspections for cars, and you can go as fast as you want on the highway, at least in the left lane.
 
2013-11-30 03:21:32 PM
I have never driven there nor have I ever been to that state but I can certainly agree with the sentiment that subby wrote the headline with.
 
2013-11-30 03:22:19 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: had98c: Sounds like 95% of people should have their licenses permanently revoked. Law breaking asses.

Sounds more like the speed is set too low in order to generate ticket revenue since the road clearly supports a higher safe speed than what is posted.


Speed limits usually are set much lower than they need to be, yeap. Still doesn't excuse breaking the law.
 
2013-11-30 03:23:10 PM

zimbomba63: I can't imagine how fast you have to be going to be pull over by the Illinois State Police on the Tri-State.  It's like having a NASCAR race for a commute.  And I'm not going to talk about the continual construction bull-shiat.



Thanksgiving night I was moving with a pack of 5 or 6 cars at 75 mph, we passed 2 State Troopers in different locations, they were looking for drunks .... not drivers
 
2013-11-30 03:23:48 PM
FTA :

As Illinois gets ready to allow speed limits to rise to 70


It's about time.

I assumed the limit was set deliberately low in order to wring money from the out of state drivers and that's why the FIBS were always blowing by me event though I was doing 3mph over the limit.

Do they still have a different max speed for large trucks too?

What a dangerously stupid idea.
 
2013-11-30 03:25:29 PM

TheGreatGazoo: How about we just follow Germany's lead and have tougher driving tests, better inspections for cars, and you can go as fast as you want on the highway, at least in the left lane.


Got that, already, it's called the Dan Ryan.  If you're not doing 75 to 80, stay to the right, in the local lanes.
 
2013-11-30 03:26:43 PM
What about the morons who go 35 mph-on the freaking onramp to the freeway? And why do they look at me like I'm doing something amazing as I zoom past them at 70?   If there's no meter/light-punch it, Chewie!!
 
2013-11-30 03:29:54 PM

had98c: Sounds like 95% of people should have their licenses permanently revoked. Law breaking asses.


I'd bet you that you probably break some law when driving yourself.  It is difficult to avoid really, because there are so many laws on the books that many people are ignorant of them, justifiably or otherwise.

For example, here in Virginia, there are a few that tend to be ignored.  The left lane is legally the passing lane (though, my guess is that is more to ensure that emergency vehicles have a better chance to get by than to allow speeding), so anyone cruising in the left lane is technically breaking the law.

Drivers who have their windshield wipers on are supposed to also have their headlights on.

Anyone turning or changing lanes is supposed to use a turn signal.

Most of this, like speed limits (arbitrarily chosen or not) sounds like common sense stuff.  But many people who would complain about speeders like yourself seem to be very prone to these sort of illegal activities, let alone other issues (it never ceases to amaze me what kind of things people will do, like going far below the speed limit, or coming to a halt somewhere where people can't get around them).  Quite frankly, with all of the stupid things people do, drivers exceeding the speed limit hardly registers on my radar, and isn't even close to the most egregious law that most drivers break.
 
2013-11-30 03:30:43 PM

jim32rr: zimbomba63: I can't imagine how fast you have to be going to be pull over by the Illinois State Police on the Tri-State.  It's like having a NASCAR race for a commute.  And I'm not going to talk about the continual construction bull-shiat.


Thanksgiving night I was moving with a pack of 5 or 6 cars at 75 mph, we passed 2 State Troopers in different locations, they were looking for drunks .... not drivers


Good thing you were doing 75. If you were doing the speed limit, they would have pulled you over, because it would look like you were impaired.
 
2013-11-30 03:31:39 PM

meyerkev: had98c: Sounds like 95% of people should have their licenses permanently revoked. Law breaking asses.

So I've driven through there a few times.

Getting from Detroit to St. Louis:
Indiana is 70.  Everybody goes 85 because Indiana has the same "Live and Let Live" theory as Michigan.
Illinois immediately drops to 55.  Everyone else goes 85.  I go 65 because I'm trying to balance not getting another speeding ticket with not dying.
Then there's that farking bridge on I-80.  Speed Limit drops to 45.  I'm still going 65.  Everyone else is still going 85.
Then I-55 is 65 MPH, and I just go 65 because that's a speed trap highway.

When 95% of the people on the road are speeding, you have a shiatty speed limit.

/FORTY-FIVE.


If I went the actual speed limit anywhere on i75 in MI, I'm pretty sure I would be killed and eaten.
 
2013-11-30 03:32:01 PM

TheGreatGazoo: How about we just follow Germany's lead and have tougher driving tests, better inspections for cars, and you can go as fast as you want on the highway, at least in the left lane.


This^^^^
 
2013-11-30 03:33:05 PM
I cannot wait for the robot cars to replace the legions of amateur NASCAR drivers on the roads. No more speeding, no more lane changing maniacs. I will still flip the bird to other cars, but maybe the occupants will understand that it's just because I don't like how they look.
 
2013-11-30 03:33:46 PM

TomD9938: FTA :

As Illinois gets ready to allow speed limits to rise to 70


It's about time.

I assumed the limit was set deliberately low in order to wring money from the out of state drivers and that's why the FIBS were always blowing by me event though I was doing 3mph over the limit.

Do they still have a different max speed for large trucks too?

What a dangerously stupid idea.


I met somebody from Kentucky once who got pulled over on the Kennedy for driving too slow, the cop didn't ticket him or anything, he just told him to go faster so he didn't get rear-ended.  I travel along 90, 53/290 and 355 extensively.  The ISP doesn't pull over anyone going less than 75 mph (that's close to their non-emergency cruising speed) outside of work zones.  The only danger comes from people who drive recklessly (no turn signals, tailgating, dodging and weaving), and they're going to drive like that no matter what the speed limit is.  That, and people who drive too slow (I'm looking at you, Wisconsin).  Yes, we know the speed limit is 55 and you're pushing it when you go over 60, but do it in the right lane and don't take forever to get up to speed when you're coming off of the on-ramp.  It's dangerous to merge into the right lane at 40 mph when all of the trucks are doing 55-60.
 
2013-11-30 03:35:27 PM

Robin Hoodie: I cannot wait for the robot cars to replace the legions of amateur NASCAR drivers on the roads. No more speeding, no more lane changing maniacs. I will still flip the bird to other cars, but maybe the occupants will understand that it's just because I don't like how they look.



The pleasure of driving a fine automobile is not for everyone
 
2013-11-30 03:35:59 PM

had98c: Sounds like 95% of people should have their licenses permanently revoked. Law breaking asses.


The speed limits aren't a law, they are a tax.

People who drive under the speed limit are tax evaders.
 
2013-11-30 03:37:03 PM

walktoanarcade: What about the morons who go 35 mph-on the freaking onramp to the freeway? And why do they look at me like I'm doing something amazing as I zoom past them at 70? If there's no meter/light-punch it, Chewie!!


I would much rather we have posted speed minimums in these places than posted maximums.  There's nothing more dangerous/stressful (to me, anyway), than having to merge behind someone who is afraid of the gas pedal.
 
2013-11-30 03:37:26 PM

zimbomba63: jim32rr: zimbomba63: I can't imagine how fast you have to be going to be pull over by the Illinois State Police on the Tri-State.  It's like having a NASCAR race for a commute.  And I'm not going to talk about the continual construction bull-shiat.


Thanksgiving night I was moving with a pack of 5 or 6 cars at 75 mph, we passed 2 State Troopers in different locations, they were looking for drunks .... not drivers

Good thing you were doing 75. If you were doing the speed limit, they would have pulled you over, because it would look like you were impaired.


It's called selective enforcement.  Make sure everyone is breaking the law by making a shiatty law and then only enforce it when you want to, thereby rendering probable cause rules moot. Anyone seen following the letter of the law MUST be trying to avoid police interaction and is therefore suspicious and deserves closer scrutiny.
 
2013-11-30 03:39:00 PM

jim32rr: Robin Hoodie: I cannot wait for the robot cars to replace the legions of amateur NASCAR drivers on the roads. No more speeding, no more lane changing maniacs. I will still flip the bird to other cars, but maybe the occupants will understand that it's just because I don't like how they look.


The pleasure of driving a fine automobile is not for everyone


fair enough, the only driving I've ever enjoyed is off road and that really doesn't lend itself to fine automobiles
 
2013-11-30 03:39:06 PM
The Tollway has two speeds: 80 and 0.
 
2013-11-30 03:41:07 PM
lewismarktwo:
It's called selective enforcement.  Make sure everyone is breaking the law by making a shiatty law and then only enforce it when you want to, thereby rendering probable cause rules moot. Anyone seen following the letter of the law MUST be trying to avoid police interaction and is therefore suspicious and deserves closer scrutiny.

Well, yeah.  The only people who drive under the speed limit are drunks, drug runners, and terrorists who are deliberately trying to sabotage the effective flow of commerce by blocking traffic.
 
2013-11-30 03:41:54 PM

had98c: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: had98c: Sounds like 95% of people should have their licenses permanently revoked. Law breaking asses.

Sounds more like the speed is set too low in order to generate ticket revenue since the road clearly supports a higher safe speed than what is posted.

Speed limits usually are set much lower than they need to be, yeap. Still doesn't excuse breaking the law.


Perhaps, but if 95% of the people that the law affects disagree with it, then it's an unjust law and should be broken.
 
2013-11-30 03:43:38 PM
Fark It: THANK YOU. Exactly. Going too slowly can kill too.
 
2013-11-30 03:45:15 PM

Fark It: TomD9938: FTA :

As Illinois gets ready to allow speed limits to rise to 70


It's about time.

I assumed the limit was set deliberately low in order to wring money from the out of state drivers and that's why the FIBS were always blowing by me event though I was doing 3mph over the limit.

Do they still have a different max speed for large trucks too?

What a dangerously stupid idea.

I met somebody from Kentucky once who got pulled over on the Kennedy for driving too slow, the cop didn't ticket him or anything, he just told him to go faster so he didn't get rear-ended.  I travel along 90, 53/290 and 355 extensively.  The ISP doesn't pull over anyone going less than 75 mph (that's close to their non-emergency cruising speed) outside of work zones.  The only danger comes from people who drive recklessly (no turn signals, tailgating, dodging and weaving), and they're going to drive like that no matter what the speed limit is.  That, and people who drive too slow (I'm looking at you, Wisconsin).  Yes, we know the speed limit is 55 and you're pushing it when you go over 60, but do it in the right lane and don't take forever to get up to speed when you're coming off of the on-ramp.  It's dangerous to merge into the right lane at 40 mph when all of the trucks are doing 55-60.


Yesterday, I was behind a car with a "Packers Shareholder" bumper sticker on it, and it was actually being driven in a normal manner, not like I was behind some yokel named Chester, from Rhinelander.
 
2013-11-30 03:45:25 PM

had98c: Sounds like 95% of people should have their licenses permanently revoked. Law breaking asses.


Yeah, screw you.  I don't care what's legal, I care what's reasonable, prudent, and safe.

Don't follow too closely.  Ever.  If you're in a tight pack at highway speeds for whatever reason, try to stagger so that you regain reaction time.
Use your goddamned turn signals.
Shoulder check.
Travel roughly the same speed as other traffic wherever possible.  Travel neither too slowly or too quickly.
Consider road conditions, tire type, tire conditions, car handling, driver experience, and other performance metrics when deciding what is safe.  Always assume the worst.
Get the fark out of the fast lane if you're not passing.  Period.  YOU ARE NOT MY PACE CAR.
Other than that, drive as fast as you farking want.


ZAZ:
I don't agree with political correlation. The liberal Pacific Northwest (coastal strip) has a reputation for left lane blocking. In much of "flyover country" the little traffic is usually close to the limit without getting in the way of faster cars.

Took the family on a driving trip down the Pacific coast a few years back.  Left lane lolligaggers were the first thing that I noticed.  There's even fine postings all the way along, that doesn't seem to help.

Of course, I'm an asshole from Alberta that travels 20% higher than the posted limit, regardless of where I'm going.  I didn't realize how aggressive a driver I had become until I hit San Francisco at rush hour, and discovered that the biggest prick on the road was, in fact, me.  Although in my defense, being Canadian I do wave courteously after I shoehorn my way into your lane.
 
2013-11-30 03:47:03 PM

Cross of Iron: Here in southern IL, no one drives the speed limit, especially on the 67 four-lane/255 expressway.

During construction on the expressway, there were police cars all over the road enforcing speed limit construction zones.  I saw a driver right next to me going the speed limit, and as soon as there were no police cars in sight, she gunned it to 65 and I was just plodding along at 45.  Next thing I know, another police car comes down the opposite lane, and she slammed on her brakes harder than anyone I've ever seen.  I laughed.  Out loud.  Really hard.


It's because of the never-ending construction, I think... People in the metro east are always annoyed with how long it takes to get anywhere due to the pointless work zones, and the state police are deployed to stop speeders during peak times instead of stopping nighttime thugs from, I don't know... Robbing an old woman with a broken-down car of $500 in bingo winnings and then locking her in her trunk and setting the car on fire so she could die in one of the most horrible ways imaginable.

/True story, btw. The Metro East is the south side Chicago of Southern Illinois.
 
2013-11-30 03:48:54 PM

Mister Peejay: I've driven through there.  It's  not as bad as southern IL where the ratio is flopped.

I have a theory.  The more conservative a state is, the more of this "fark you I got mine" behavior you see.


That's not what a theory is.
 
2013-11-30 03:56:20 PM
I've lived in both the Chicago area and the St. Louis area. My observation:

Chicago drivers drive fast, but they mostly all know what they're doing and avoid unpredictable behaviors. It's aggressive driving, but they expect everyone else to drive the same way and, as long as everyone does, it works out.

St. Louis drivers also drive fast, but are totally unpredictable because every other driver is drunk or high on something. Or from Missouri, where the average IQ is 30 points lower than national.
 
2013-11-30 03:56:59 PM

zimbomba63: Yesterday, I was behind a car with a "Packers Shareholder" bumper sticker on it, and it was actually being driven in a normal manner, not like I was behind some yokel named Chester, from Rhinelander.



I'd bet a thousand dollars that driver was from Milwaukee.

In Minneapolis / St Paul, we get a lot of Western (rural) Wisconsin drivers.

I would say that about 70% of my WTF moments while on the road around here involve cars with Wisconsin plates (probably 5% or less of the cars on the road).

/ I assume Milwaukee drivers know how to drive in congestion at speeds
 
2013-11-30 03:58:42 PM

TheGreatGazoo: How about we just follow Germany's lead and have tougher driving tests, better inspections for cars, and you can go as fast as you want on the highway, at least in the left lane.


You are missing a few key points, like building the road 4x thicker and replacing entire roadway sections if a crack develops. The Autobahn is very smooth and very expensive to maintain. Considering the current condition of our highways, we might have to do a bit more than a gas tax to 1] build the system up and 2] maintain the system. I'm all for America not being a half-assed half-taxed system, but you got to be honest with the cost AND get the average Joe interested and committed to the collective mindset that we are going to get something done that requires enthusiasm and money from everyone. Not to mention put construction in the hands of a non-sociopath that will not turn the project into a boondoggle before cement is mixed. Yeah, words like socialism, nazi, tax-and-spend, liberal, OPM, and NIMBY might get thrown around. My favorite is BANANA: build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything.
 
2013-11-30 04:06:54 PM

strelyali: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Mister Peejay: I've driven through there.  It's  not as bad as southern IL where the ratio is flopped.

I have a theory.  The more conservative a state is, the more of this "fark you I got mine" behavior you see.

I actually got flipped off once after passing someone.

I got flipped off one time when I was pulling up behind a line of cars waiting at a red light.  I stopped with enough space between me and the car in front of me so a woman could make a left turn into her driveway.  She flipped me off as she drove through the space I left for her.  Some people have serious anger issues.

I got flipped off by a Mennonite woman in a black van at a Wal-Mart in Pennsylvania. To this day, I don't know what she was mad at. But I had to laugh. If you're going to get angry, at least get angry at something.


Was honked at, tailgated by, and flipped off after some nozzle followed me in Milwaukee. I was driving 65 in a 55. In rush hour. In the FAR RIGHT FARKING LANE!

/when in Rome...
 
2013-11-30 04:07:31 PM

meanmutton: Mister Peejay: I've driven through there.  It's  not as bad as southern IL where the ratio is flopped.

I have a theory.  The more conservative a state is, the more of this "fark you I got mine" behavior you see.

That's not what a theory is.


A [scientific] theory is a model that has not been disproven, and has been supported at many opportunities. A theory that is irrefutably proven is called a law. So, 'theory' is the second-highest guiding principle in the sciences.
A good example is the Theory of Relativity: It was never disproved, and there were many clever experiments designed to determine if time, light, and space did behave in the manner predicted by Einstein. One of these involved the bending of light by the sun, detected during any solar eclipse. Others involve spacecraft or bodies in orbit, which are moving quickly enough to experience a different (albeit slightly) rate of time.

So... I think what Mister Peejay is saying is that he has a pretty strong hunch that explains a phenomenon, and that no one has yet disproved his hunch and several demonstrations support the hunch. Maybe Mister Peejay can elaborate.
 
2013-11-30 04:09:26 PM
There was a guy I encountered in the Carolinas five years ago on 95.  He was in the left lane towing a boat.  I couldn't see around him to safely get back in the right lane to pass him.  He'd speed up every so often to keep me stuck right behind him.  Finally, I had an opening and opened my Mustang up and brought a long line of cars with me!  I was heading to Florida to see my dad during heart surgery; I didn't need some drunken jackass trying to play traffic control!

/on the way back I left my gas cap on the trunk of my car
//I only discovered this on my next stop for gas 425 miles later when I saw it STILL on the trunk of the car, held in place by nothing but the spoiler
 
2013-11-30 04:14:10 PM

bluorangefyre: There was a guy I encountered in the Carolinas five years ago on 95.  He was in the left lane towing a boat.  I couldn't see around him to safely get back in the right lane to pass him.  He'd speed up every so often to keep me stuck right behind him.  Finally, I had an opening and opened my Mustang up and brought a long line of cars with me!  I was heading to Florida to see my dad during heart surgery; I didn't need some drunken jackass trying to play traffic control!

/on the way back I left my gas cap on the trunk of my car
//I only discovered this on my next stop for gas 425 miles later when I saw it STILL on the trunk of the car, held in place by nothing but the spoiler


I was on a road trip where we found a gas cap resting on a pump mere hours after discovering the van we borrowed had been without its gas cap for some time. Owner of the [utility] van was a Deadhead, so who knows.
 
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