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2013-11-30 10:10:36 AM
Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'
 
2013-11-30 10:23:05 AM

gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'


Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."
 
2013-11-30 11:02:21 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."


Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the President

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!


/palin is now president
//she stared down putin
 
2013-11-30 12:10:24 PM
It's to cover commercial carriers asses. If China gets trigger happy, then they will look bad.

He'll they will look bad if the shoot a Japanese plane down.
 
2013-11-30 12:22:51 PM
Two for flinching.
 
2013-11-30 12:25:56 PM
Despite appearances or possible spin, it's very prudent to take these precautions when you're talking about innocent passengers (KAL 007 anyone?) But yeah, B-52s and their little zippy buddies are a whole 'nother story.
 
2013-11-30 12:25:58 PM
Remember, folks, he's "really good at killing people".
 
2013-11-30 12:28:37 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin


Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!
 
2013-11-30 12:31:40 PM
I guess world leader Obama wasn't quite ready to cross that red line.
 
2013-11-30 12:31:45 PM
Americans don't need to comply by any rules but American rules.
 
2013-11-30 12:31:54 PM
Maybe Putin will make a statement and give our State Department some leadership again.
 
2013-11-30 12:32:59 PM
The official start of Kowtow diplomacy. The Rebulicans have been using this method with the Democrates for years. The results speak for themselves.
 
2013-11-30 12:33:33 PM

naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!


Oh noes -- the dreaded ignore list! That's almost as bad as being 'unfollowed.' The poor guy probably never even saw it coming, you MONSTER!
 
2013-11-30 12:34:58 PM

enik: naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!

Oh noes -- the dreaded ignore list! That's almost as bad as being 'unfollowed.' The poor guy probably never even saw it coming, you MONSTER!


Nice alias. Ignore list, too.
 
2013-11-30 12:39:32 PM
Has anyone considered that China wants to do a little weapons testing and is pulling a Kim Jong Ill international drama queen move to make this happen.

I know starting a war is serious but there were moment with Wong Wan that didn't end in war.  I don't necessarily see a few missiles starting a war with China either.
 
2013-11-30 12:43:24 PM

naptapper: enik: naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!

Oh noes -- the dreaded ignore list! That's almost as bad as being 'unfollowed.' The poor guy probably never even saw it coming, you MONSTER!

Nice alias. Ignore list, too.


You sound like a Douche. Go ahead and add me to your list.
 
2013-11-30 12:43:59 PM
i512.photobucket.com

"We did not blink. It was a wink!"
 
2013-11-30 12:44:42 PM

naptapper: enik: naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!

Oh noes -- the dreaded ignore list! That's almost as bad as being 'unfollowed.' The poor guy probably never even saw it coming, you MONSTER!

Nice alias. Ignore list, too.


bwhahaha... you're gonna end up ignoring everyone on fark if you're that thin-skinned.
 
2013-11-30 12:45:24 PM

naptapper: enik: naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!

Oh noes -- the dreaded ignore list! That's almost as bad as being 'unfollowed.' The poor guy probably never even saw it coming, you MONSTER!

Nice alias. Ignore list, too.


ooooh... you're so unfriended.
 
2013-11-30 12:45:33 PM

Empty H: naptapper: enik: naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!

Oh noes -- the dreaded ignore list! That's almost as bad as being 'unfollowed.' The poor guy probably never even saw it coming, you MONSTER!

Nice alias. Ignore list, too.

You sound like a Douche. Go ahead and add me to your list.


Me three!
 
2013-11-30 12:45:39 PM

Darth_Lukecash: It's to cover commercial carriers asses. If China gets trigger happy, then they will look bad.

He'll they will look bad if the shoot a Japanese plane down.


Wait, you don't think China looks bad already?

Look, they unilaterally took over a huge section of the Pacific which encroaches on a number of their neighbors territories.

It actually is kind of an outrage.

What are we going to do about it?  Probably just biatch and moan.

What should we do about it?  Impose economic sanctions and continue to fly our military aircraft through the area.
 
2013-11-30 12:45:47 PM

naptapper: enik: naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!

Oh noes -- the dreaded ignore list! That's almost as bad as being 'unfollowed.' The poor guy probably never even saw it coming, you MONSTER!

Nice alias. Ignore list, too.


Ignore me too, since you are clearly too stupid to get sarcasm or fark cliches.

/I guess you kids call them memes now
 
2013-11-30 12:46:02 PM

naptapper: enik: naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told.

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid -  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!

Oh noes -- the dreaded ignore list! That's almost as bad as being 'unfollowed.' The poor guy probably never even saw it coming, you MONSTER!

Nice alias. Ignore list, too.


Can I go? It means I won't have to listen to you? It sounds like a winner! take me, too. me Me ME
 
2013-11-30 12:48:16 PM
This won't last long because humans are causing climate change, which leads to rising sea levels so these islands will be under water next year.  Problem solved!
 
2013-11-30 12:48:19 PM

gfid: Darth_Lukecash: It's to cover commercial carriers asses. If China gets trigger happy, then they will look bad.

He'll they will look bad if the shoot a Japanese plane down.

Wait, you don't think China looks bad already?

Look, they unilaterally took over a huge section of the Pacific which encroaches on a number of their neighbors territories.

It actually is kind of an outrage.

What are we going to do about it?  Probably just biatch and moan.

What should we do about it?  Impose economic sanctions and continue to fly our military aircraft through the area.


Economic sanctions? Like what? Stop buying their crap? Why do you hate Wal-Mart?

/I keed.
 
2013-11-30 12:49:13 PM
There's *no way* China would be so stupid as to open fire on a jetliner. The backlash would be massive and brutally fast frome very developed nation on the planet.
 
2013-11-30 12:49:49 PM

naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!


I have him farkied as 'Idiot.' Lets me know I'm in for a chuckle or two.
 
2013-11-30 12:54:26 PM

AkaranD: There's *no way* China would be so stupid as to open fire on a jetliner. The backlash would be massive and brutally fast frome very developed nation on the planet.


Yes, but accidents happen.  Best to play with aircraft that have countermeasures.
 
2013-11-30 12:55:08 PM

AkaranD: There's *no way* China would be so stupid as to open fire on a jetliner. The backlash would be massive and brutally fast frome very developed nation on the planet.


Doesn't matter. You don't openly use civilians as bait.
 
2013-11-30 12:56:04 PM

AkaranD: There's *no way* China would be so stupid as to open fire on a jetliner. The backlash would be massive and brutally fast frome very developed nation on the planet.


Like that one time?
 
2013-11-30 12:58:27 PM

Name_Omitted: AkaranD: There's *no way* China would be so stupid as to open fire on a jetliner. The backlash would be massive and brutally fast frome very developed nation on the planet.

Yes, but accidents happen.  Best to play with aircraft that have countermeasures.


They've already done it. Of course it was in the 80's (IIRC)
 
2013-11-30 12:59:30 PM

gfid: Darth_Lukecash: It's to cover commercial carriers asses. If China gets trigger happy, then they will look bad.

He'll they will look bad if the shoot a Japanese plane down.

Wait, you don't think China looks bad already?

Look, they unilaterally took over a huge section of the Pacific which encroaches on a number of their neighbors territories.

It actually is kind of an outrage.

What are we going to do about it?  Probably just biatch and moan.

What should we do about it?  Impose economic sanctions and continue to fly our military aircraft through the area.


This really isn't a 'take over" of airspace.  An ADIZ is just an declaration of  where you're going to monitor and possibly react to aircraft,  Japan has an ADIZ that comes close to China and Taiwan, which is actually bigger that what China claimed.

What makes this is a big deal is it covers the Senkaku Islands, which Japan claims as their territory.

It does make sense for the commercial carriers to comply, but it's a good bet the U.S. military won't comply.
 
2013-11-30 01:00:15 PM

AkaranD: There's *no way* China would be so stupid as to open fire on a jetliner. The backlash would be massive and brutally fast frome very developed nation on the planet.


There's no way the Chinese leadership would give the order to open fire on a jetliner.  Some Chinese Top Gun, on the other hand might get a bit aggressive and decide to give that imperialist running dog pilot a good scaring.   Of course, being the highly skilled fighter jocks that they are, the airliner pilot would never have to worry about a midair collision or anything like that.

And honestly - if they DID bring down an airliner, or (more likely) force one to land, what do you think we would do?
 
2013-11-30 01:02:06 PM

naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!


I think your sarcasm detector needs calibration.

/ you can ignore me as well
// no one's ever done that for me before
/// I want to be special too!
 
2013-11-30 01:02:11 PM

AtlanticCoast63: AkaranD: There's *no way* China would be so stupid as to open fire on a jetliner. The backlash would be massive and brutally fast frome very developed nation on the planet.

There's no way the Chinese leadership would give the order to open fire on a jetliner.  Some Chinese Top Gun, on the other hand might get a bit aggressive and decide to give that imperialist running dog pilot a good scaring.   Of course, being the highly skilled fighter jocks that they are, the airliner pilot would never have to worry about a midair collision or anything like that.

And honestly - if they DID bring down an airliner, or (more likely) force one to land, what do you think we would do?


Nothing.
 
2013-11-30 01:03:27 PM

AtlanticCoast63: And honestly - if they DID bring down an airliner, or (more likely) force one to land, what do you think we would do?


PROBABLY APOLOGIZE TO THEM, BECAUSE OF FARTBONGO!!!!!!

/Sorry, seeing an awful lot of derpers on FARK today, and I wanted to be cool, too.
 
2013-11-30 01:06:13 PM

lifeboat: Despite appearances or possible spin, it's very prudent to take these precautions when you're talking about innocent passengers (KAL 007 anyone?) But yeah, B-52s and their little zippy buddies are a whole 'nother story.


^This. No-one's blinking here, they're just being sensible.  The Korean jet, the Iranian jet in 1989 (? maybe memory fail): a civilian aircraft flying through dodgy airspace should be smart - same with merchant ships at sea in the old, old days - and err on the side of caution.
 
2013-11-30 01:06:44 PM
US State Department:  Don't be stupid

US Military:  Let us handle it

1-media-cdn.foolz.us


(Teaparty:"Herpa Derp dip Deup")
 
2013-11-30 01:10:41 PM
On another note, US probably doesn't want any civilians in the area when they put the F-35's ultra long range electronic warfare systems to the test.
 
2013-11-30 01:15:39 PM

naptapper: enik: naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!

Oh noes -- the dreaded ignore list! That's almost as bad as being 'unfollowed.' The poor guy probably never even saw it coming, you MONSTER!

Nice alias. Ignore list, too.


While you're at it, add me too.  I haven't logged in for three years, but I went through the trouble of resetting my password and logging in just so that I could get on your ignore list.
 
2013-11-30 01:17:29 PM
What were not suppose to send a civilian plane filled with innocent people to be shot down so we can scream outrage? Where have I heard this before.
 
2013-11-30 01:19:38 PM

stuffy: What were not suppose to send a civilian plane filled with innocent people to be shot down so we can scream outrage? Where have I heard this before.


Infowars?
 
2013-11-30 01:21:24 PM
Taunting the US or its allies with air units is probably one of the dumbest things you could possibly do.
 
2013-11-30 01:23:32 PM
I would like to see the reactions to China violating US airspace on a regular basis.
 
2013-11-30 01:24:52 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Name_Omitted: AkaranD: There's *no way* China would be so stupid as to open fire on a jetliner. The backlash would be massive and brutally fast frome very developed nation on the planet.

Yes, but accidents happen.  Best to play with aircraft that have countermeasures.

They've already done it. Of course it was in the 80's (IIRC)



That one time you cite was, I assume, the Soviet Union shooting down KAL 007, or perhaps when they shot down KAL 902.  There was also Iran Air Flight 655 the the United States shot down, I don't know of any that China has shot down since the mid 1950's.

It's still best to keep the defenseless aircraft out of this.
 
2013-11-30 01:27:23 PM

naptapper: enik: naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!

Oh noes -- the dreaded ignore list! That's almost as bad as being 'unfollowed.' The poor guy probably never even saw it coming, you MONSTER!

Nice alias. Ignore list, too.


My official ignore request: ignore me, too.
 
2013-11-30 01:28:57 PM

naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!



That's all it takes to get on your ignore list?
I usually wait for a personal attack. Or at least a 'your mother' comment.
 
2013-11-30 01:30:15 PM

kevinfra: gfid: Darth_Lukecash: It's to cover commercial carriers asses. If China gets trigger happy, then they will look bad.

He'll they will look bad if the shoot a Japanese plane down.

Wait, you don't think China looks bad already?

Look, they unilaterally took over a huge section of the Pacific which encroaches on a number of their neighbors territories.

It actually is kind of an outrage.

What are we going to do about it?  Probably just biatch and moan.

What should we do about it?  Impose economic sanctions and continue to fly our military aircraft through the area.

This really isn't a 'take over" of airspace.  An ADIZ is just an declaration of  where you're going to monitor and possibly react to aircraft,  Japan has an ADIZ that comes close to China and Taiwan, which is actually bigger that what China claimed.

What makes this is a big deal is it covers the Senkaku Islands, which Japan claims as their territory.

It does make sense for the commercial carriers to comply, but it's a good bet the U.S. military won't comply.


Yeah, I've heard Japan has an ADIZ too although I haven't actually seen a map showing what it covers.  What makes China different is that it is a continuing pattern of imperialism on their part.   Yes, imperialism.  The Senkaku Islands (which I believe Japan has a rightful claim to) is not the only thing at issue.  There are also disputes with The Philippines and Vietnam and of course there's always Taiwan and probably a few others which I'm neglecting.

It is probably wise to tell commercial aircraft to comply with their request to announce themselves, but at the same time this should not go unchecked.

We can't really cut off economic ties with China - that would be destructive towards both them and the US.  But we can vigorously protest and impose economic sanctions.  We can shift our imports from China to places like India, Korea, Vietnam and even Brazil or Mexico.  There's nothing so special about China that dictates that my laptop or smart phone or TV be made there.

Maybe we could even bring some manufacturing back to the US.  I bet a lot of people would jump on that bandwagon and buy a smartphone just because it was made locally.

So yeah, I think we should tell China to go fark themselves.
 
2013-11-30 01:36:59 PM

Name_Omitted: Peter von Nostrand: Name_Omitted: AkaranD: There's *no way* China would be so stupid as to open fire on a jetliner. The backlash would be massive and brutally fast frome very developed nation on the planet.

Yes, but accidents happen.  Best to play with aircraft that have countermeasures.

They've already done it. Of course it was in the 80's (IIRC)


That one time you cite was, I assume, the Soviet Union shooting down KAL 007, or perhaps when they shot down KAL 902.  There was also Iran Air Flight 655 the the United States shot down, I don't know of any that China has shot down since the mid 1950's.

It's still best to keep the defenseless aircraft out of this.


"That one time". Yes, you are correct about that incident. That wasn't the point I was making though. Its that I see a lot of people here claiming that we would be bad-ass and retaliate with all of our bad-assness. We wouldn't. There's too many economic tentacles in our country from China. I wouldn't matter what party was in charge. We wouldn't do shiat.
 
2013-11-30 01:39:38 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: naptapper: Peter von Nostrand: Benevolent Misanthrope: gaslight: Not as such. They're saying 'you unarmed aircraft do what you're told. We, on the other hand, have the most advanced aircraft in the world and will be reminding the Chinese about that by doing an air show above the Peoples' Republic Politbureau at three AM.'

Pretty-much.  All State said was, "Don't be stupid - they've said if you fly there, they will shoot at you.  Since you can't shoot back, and you have hundreds of innocent people on board, you shouldn't get any ideas about staring them down over your sovereign rights to commercial air routes.  Stay away from there and let us handle this."

Intelligent or not. I don't care. Impeach the PresidentTHIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
/palin is now president
//she stared down putin

Wow. Immediately on my ignore list. Good job!


That's all it takes to get on your ignore list?
I usually wait for a personal attack. Or at least a 'your mother' comment.


Your mom usually waits for a personal attack, or at least a "your mother" comment.
 
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