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(Opposing Views)   Woman ordered to stop using her home as a.) an illegal casino, b.) a drug den, or c.) a safe haven for abused women?   (opposingviews.com) divider line 66
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2013-11-30 09:12:34 AM  
Nall was reported to the city by a neighbor.

Neighbors are seldom as cool as they were on TV shows.
 
2013-11-30 11:04:23 AM  
She was on Fox this morning. It was nauseating to watch Tucker Carlson pretend to care
 
2013-11-30 11:07:08 AM  
Nall was reported to the city by a neighbor.

Likely a good christian neighbor.
 
2013-11-30 11:28:03 AM  
They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.
 
2013-11-30 11:48:33 AM  
The city's just mad because most hotels and shelters pay them extra money and she doesn't. I'm sure there's an exemption to that law that you can pay the city for, such as a license.
 
2013-11-30 11:49:11 AM  

zamboni: They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.


When I was in college, the county, home to four four-year universities, used that law to prevent establishments of fraternity and sorority houses.
 
2013-11-30 11:54:49 AM  
I want Archie Bunker as MY neighbor. Really.
 
2013-11-30 11:56:29 AM  

zamboni: They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.


You can have my ice cream cone and horseshoes when you pry them out of my cold, dead, hands!
 
2013-11-30 11:57:37 AM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: zamboni: They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.

When I was in college, the county, home to four four-year universities, used that law to prevent establishments of fraternity and sorority houses.


I approve of that.
 
2013-11-30 12:03:38 PM  

zamboni: They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.


I didn't RTFA (because opposing views), but my guess would be some sort of zoning regulation, OR that shelters for abused people  need to meet certain requirements for safety or discretion or something.
 
2013-11-30 12:05:54 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Nall was reported to the city by a neighbor.

Neighbors are seldom as cool as they were on TV shows.


Meh, I'd like to hear the reasoning behind the complaint. The less fortunate encompasses more than just the abused women. There might have been quite a bit of nuisance caused by the guests.
 
2013-11-30 12:05:59 PM  
FTFA:  Nall has been told by city workers that she s breaking a city ordinance forbidding residents from housing more than three unrelated residents in their house over a 90-day period.

Stupid law is stupid. The fark? If something is not inherently illegal in and of itself, why is it illegal to do in a house you farking own? She's not dealing drugs from her house. She's not cutting these people up and burying them in her basement. She's not breaking any law except a retarded one that tells you who can live in your house.

Now, I could see the use of a law stating that you can't have more inhabitants than you have rooms in the house to support. Apartment complexes do this, usually with a two-person per bedroom limit. That I get, as overcrowding is a bigger problem than just parking and potential noise. I could see a city ordinance for that.

This is just bullshiat.

I mean ... I can't even conceivably look at this from a parking problem point of view. Most 8 bedroom houses I've seen have the ability to create enough parking for all 8 bedrooms, even if you have to pave over a little more of your yard ... which can be done tastefully as to satisfy HOAs, btw.
 
2013-11-30 12:06:02 PM  
So which side will conservatives lean towards?  On one hand they support the right to decide how your property is used... On the other hand they hate women...
 
2013-11-30 12:07:43 PM  
I can see turning in a neighbor if they have a bunch of people living in a house and they are outside at 4 am shooting fireworks.

OTOH, I have some neighbors who are way over their 'quota' by the county and they are quiet so nobody cares.
 
2013-11-30 12:10:24 PM  

Warlordtrooper: So which side will conservatives lean towards?  On one hand they support the right to decide how your property is used... On the other hand they hate women...


0/10
 
2013-11-30 12:10:31 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: She was on Fox this morning. It was nauseating to watch Tucker Carlson pretend to care


Would you even watch Fox News because, like, it's the news? Or just to whine about it?

/Saw the lady on Fox this morning. Tucker did care.
 
2013-11-30 12:15:18 PM  

Lee451: /Saw the lady on Fox this morning. Tucker did care.


No, he didn't. I don't even have to watch to know that much. If people like Carlson care about anybody but themselves they wouldn't be on a network "news" station to begin with.
 
2013-11-30 12:17:50 PM  
FTFA: If the town fails to make an amendment to the ordinance, she will consider moving out of the city to an area with fewer restrictions.

Less restrictions than Kansas? That would include Peshawar and the Swat Valley.
 
2013-11-30 12:17:56 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: zamboni: They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.

When I was in college, the county, home to four four-year universities, used that law to prevent establishments of fraternity and sorority houses.


Ours used it against private student housing, keeping it nice and expensive
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-30 12:27:04 PM  
Woman ordered to stop using her home as a.) an illegal casino, b.) a drug den, or c.) a safe haven for abused women?

Better headline: Woman ordered to stop using her home as a.) an illegal casino, b.) an illegal drug den, or c.) an illegal safe haven for abused women?
 
2013-11-30 12:35:41 PM  
So, is it that private homes shouldn't be used as shelters for abused women ?

What's the rationale at work here? Concern for minimum standards for shelters for abused women? Concern for the consequences of sheltering abused women in a residential area (e.g. visits from angry spouses)? Concern for the operation of a business in a residential area?

If you agree with this decision, why? If you agree because "It's the law", then what's your rationale for supporting the law?
 
2013-11-30 12:42:09 PM  

Mr. Mikey: So, is it that private homes shouldn't be used as shelters for abused women ?

What's the rationale at work here? Concern for minimum standards for shelters for abused women? Concern for the consequences of sheltering abused women in a residential area (e.g. visits from angry spouses)? Concern for the operation of a business in a residential area?

If you agree with this decision, why? If you agree because "It's the law", then what's your rationale for supporting the law?


It'd be a matter of working on changing the law.
 
2013-11-30 12:48:47 PM  

DerAppie: Relatively Obscure: Nall was reported to the city by a neighbor.

Neighbors are seldom as cool as they were on TV shows.

Meh, I'd like to hear the reasoning behind the complaint. The less fortunate encompasses more than just the abused women. There might have been quite a bit of nuisance caused by the guests.


I imagine you're right.

Csb...a close friend used to be a social worker. He said that abused women are rarely kind and gentle ladies who just happen to be in a bad situation as the media so often portrays. They very frequently have serious drug and alcohol problems, and many also have deep seated anger issues. I think even a sympathetic person may have trouble dealing with a house full of people fitting this profile living right next door.
 
2013-11-30 01:06:04 PM  
But what about the guy who wants to have a brothel? Doesn't he have rights?  He's abusing his women as hard as he can, how can we turn away his haven for abused women? And while we're on the subject, shouldn't blowjobs from prostitutes be cheaper? What's with that?
 
2013-11-30 01:16:10 PM  
She should just say she's running a church, sure there is some extra legal protection there, and I'm guessing there are lots of zoneing exceptions for churches.
 
2013-11-30 01:27:13 PM  

basemetal [TotalFark]
2013-11-30 11:07:08 AM


Nall was reported to the city by a neighbor.

Likely a good christian neighbor.

Bigot
 
2013-11-30 01:29:21 PM  
I wonder how many pout-ragers in this thread were in the "Family ordered to cease holding prayer meetings in their home" threads saying the state dictating what you do in your own home was a good thing.


// not enough to actually search... but it would be interesting to point out the hypocrites.
 
2013-11-30 01:31:42 PM  
images.tvrage.com
 
2013-11-30 01:31:59 PM  

basemetal: Nall was reported to the city by a neighbor.

Likely a good christian neighbor.


Busybodies and self righteous troublemakers frequently claim to be good xtians.
Women coming out of DV situations need a safe place to go and the shelters are limited in what they can provide for women coming out of hospital. Many shelters require residents to leave between 8am- 6pm despite weather or the health issues of the resident.
This woman is doing a mitzvah. I'm hoping this article brings the support that her and her residents need.
 
2013-11-30 01:33:05 PM  
FTA-  She wouldn't listen either.

/ducks
 
2013-11-30 01:33:46 PM  
I don't remember Lawrence, KS having a problem with women being beat...
 
2013-11-30 01:44:53 PM  
I'm going to go ahead and guess that some of the husbands/ boyfriends have swung by the neighborhood for a chat and the neighbors don't appreciate none too much.
 
2013-11-30 01:54:53 PM  

OnlyM3: basemetal [TotalFark]
2013-11-30 11:07:08 AM


Nall was reported to the city by a neighbor.

Likely a good christian neighbor.
Bigot


Ok, a good christian neighbor AND bigot

Satisfied?
 
2013-11-30 02:02:14 PM  
Quote by the woman FTA :

"Usually it's abused women, displaced women or people who have gotten out of the hospital who don't want to die in the hospital," she told Kansas news station KCTV. "If people only knew the blessing that comes out of it

I think we've found our Christian.

Typical that she's an anti-government type too.

Take it to Somalia, lady!
 
2013-11-30 02:15:43 PM  
I was on the board of our domestic abuse shelter for seven years (just stepped off in October, had served four years as president). Our shelter started as kind of an underground railroad for abused women in the 1980s, women moved from safe house to safe house. Now, we have 54 beds in two shelters, usually mostly full, unfortunately. Plus, of course, victm advocates, education programs, etc. If not for the early beginnings of the underground railroad, we likely wouldn't be where the shelter is now -- the last resort for abused women (and men) in our county.
 
2013-11-30 02:15:51 PM  

zamboni: They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.


No, Lawrence has a very specific ordinance that does not allow more than 3 unrelated people to reside in a home. It has only been in effect for a few years.
 
2013-11-30 02:16:47 PM  

untaken_name: The city's just mad because most hotels and shelters pay them extra money and she doesn't. I'm sure there's an exemption to that law that you can pay the city for, such as a license.


No, there are no exemptions to the ordinance.
 
2013-11-30 02:23:46 PM  
basemetal:
Nall was reported to the city by a neighbor.

Likely a good christian neighbor.


My wife was commenting on our somewhat impoverished and chavvy neighbours, and I argued that if that property was nicer we might have more NIMBY-prone petit bourgeoisie who would call the city every time our shrubbery got to be 50.5 cm high.  The chavs are actually not very messy, say hi on the street, and don't bother us.
 
2013-11-30 02:24:10 PM  

AngryDragon: Warlordtrooper: So which side will conservatives lean towards?  On one hand they support the right to decide how your property is used... On the other hand they hate women...

0/10


A bit harsh, I'd give it a 6/10.
Brevity is the soul of wit, and everything they said made sense.
Incendiary with a hint of sincerity.
A good college try overall.
 
2013-11-30 02:27:09 PM  

zamboni: They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.


Naw, Lawrence is the home of The University of Kansas. The law exists to keep those dang kids from causing trouble.
 
2013-11-30 02:28:16 PM  
Alicious:
zamboni: They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.

No, Lawrence has a very specific ordinance that does not allow more than 3 unrelated people to reside in a home. It has only been in effect for a few years.


It sounds like it's targeting affordable housing for students, not brothels.  I see the University of Kansas is in Lawrence.
 
2013-11-30 02:29:02 PM  
Voiceofreason01:

M-M-M-Monsterkill!  You're too quick for me sir.
 
2013-11-30 02:32:18 PM  

DerAppie: Meh, I'd like to hear the reasoning behind the complaint. The less fortunate encompasses more than just the abused women. There might have been quite a bit of nuisance caused by the guests.


This is true.

But a limit of 3 unrelated guests over a period of 3 months is pretty strict. That would mean you couldn't have a family of 4 visit for a night. Or a different couple visit for one night each month.

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: When I was in college, the county, home to four four-year universities, used that law to prevent establishments of fraternity and sorority houses.


I think you might be on to something here. It's really just a way of keeping KU students out.
 
2013-11-30 02:42:25 PM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: She should just say she's running a church, sure there is some extra legal protection there, and I'm guessing there are lots of zoneing exceptions for churches.


A couple years ago, a rich guy bought a monster house ($1.5M or more) in DC so his son & his son's buddies could live there while they attended Georgetown.  They actually tried to get recognized as a religious order to use that loophole.  Never found out what the ultimate resolution of that was.
 
2013-11-30 02:44:55 PM  

thecpt: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: zamboni: They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.

When I was in college, the county, home to four four-year universities, used that law to prevent establishments of fraternity and sorority houses.

Ours used it against private student housing, keeping it nice and expensive


I once lived just off campus in a house that had two bathrooms and TWELVE rooms for students. It was dirt cheap but honestly, probably should have been illegal. The filth was beyond imagination.
 
2013-11-30 02:51:35 PM  

Alicious: zamboni: They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.

No, Lawrence has a very specific ordinance that does not allow more than 3 unrelated people to reside in a home. It has only been in effect for a few years.


But why? I mean, if college kids are being too loud or something you'd think there are already ordinances about that. Why would a law saying I can't let all my quiet friends live in my house even get written?
 
2013-11-30 03:05:58 PM  
I dont know what to make of this.On one hand ,stuffing 90 butts into one home women and children including infants all with their own needs and proclivities could be a burden on the neighborhood. On the other hand what the woman is doing is far more valuable than what most human beings do with their respective jobs,hobbies,and so forth. What does it say about a civilization where such people are not only essential but are bones of contention to local government? Maybe the city aldermans wife is tired of black eyes and decided to wander off and he likes her on a tight leash?
 Here in Omaha is Lydia House which is a safe haven for women and their children seeking safety from their loving hubbies (or pimps , or both) and offers no questions asked aide to them. I support Lydia House as much as im able but it aint much.Id rather donate money,clothes ect. to them than a 'church' or 'cause' .
 
2013-11-30 03:08:56 PM  

No Such Agency: Alicious:
zamboni: They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.

No, Lawrence has a very specific ordinance that does not allow more than 3 unrelated people to reside in a home. It has only been in effect for a few years.

It sounds like it's targeting affordable housing for students, not brothels.  I see the University of Kansas is in Lawrence.


Somewhat. People in single family neighborhoods were getting upset about rental houses (usually students) being a nuisance. A lot were owned by absentee landlords who did nothing to upkeep the properties or address the issues with party houses.
 
2013-11-30 03:11:26 PM  

Chinchillazilla: Alicious: zamboni: They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.

No, Lawrence has a very specific ordinance that does not allow more than 3 unrelated people to reside in a home. It has only been in effect for a few years.

But why? I mean, if college kids are being too loud or something you'd think there are already ordinances about that. Why would a law saying I can't let all my quiet friends live in my house even get written?


The law is even weirder. The three person limit applies if any one person is unrelated.
So say you live with your spouse and the house of a single mom with one kid down the street burns down. It would be illegal for you to take them in. Your neighbor with eight kids on the other hand is OK.
 
2013-11-30 03:15:36 PM  

Chinchillazilla: Alicious: zamboni: They probably dusted off some archaic anti-brothel law. One of those you thought they didn't enforce anymore... like no eating ice cream while riding a horse after midnight.

No, Lawrence has a very specific ordinance that does not allow more than 3 unrelated people to reside in a home. It has only been in effect for a few years.

But why? I mean, if college kids are being too loud or something you'd think there are already ordinances about that. Why would a law saying I can't let all my quiet friends live in my house even get written?


There are and those things could have been addressed if the existing ordinances were actually enforced. Lawrence, being a college town, has a lot of absentee landlords and this was proposed as one way to get them to be more invested in their properties.

There are also 2 big developer mover and shakers in town too - Compton & Frtizel - and I have no doubt that this was also put through to help protect their investments.

Lawrence also requires all landlords of single family rental property to be licensed with the city. The license is $25/property and you are required to have your houses inspected by the city every 3 years. This only applies to single family rental property and this was ushered in roughly about the same time the ordinance limiting single family homes to 3 or fewer unrelated tenants.
 
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