Rain-Monkey: Subs: Death panels, Obama!!TFA: this has been going on for yearsReality: this has been going on as long as there has been doctorsBut don't let me get in the way of a good GOP talking point
what_now: This is an awful story, but there aren't a lot of baby hearts to go around, and it makes sense for them to offer the heart to a baby who will survive the longest.Also, the doctors on the case don't decide who gets the heart, the transplant organization does, for very good reason,
Benevolent Misanthrope: what_now: This is an awful story, but there aren't a lot of baby hearts to go around, and it makes sense for them to offer the heart to a baby who will survive the longest.Also, the doctors on the case don't decide who gets the heart, the transplant organization does, for very good reason,This. It's terrible that babies are born with defects, but they are. It's terrible that we can't fix some of them without organs from donor babies, but for the moment we must. It's not terrible that there are so few dead babies with viable hearts.I grieve for the family - I have no children, but I know that losing a child has to be the most incredibly awful thing that can possibly happen to a parent. I understand that they are angry. I understand that they vehemently disagree with the decision, and they will do anything to save their child. And when it comes to children (or saving a life, for that matter), that's how it should be. Parents, when it comes to defending their children's lives, should stop at nothing. Good parents, loving parents, when it comes to defending their children, are ruthless. They're madmen. They don't give a damn. They will make enemies, they will break laws, they will break bones - but you will not mess with their kids.Now, though, we have the Internet. Everyone with even the smallest axe to grind has an international megaphone. Parents who are about to lose their child's life when someone could possibly save it... God, I can't even imagine. But their grief will be presented as an outrage rather than a terrible, heartbreaking decision.This is bad on so damn many levels.
enry: Maybe it will serve to make more people volunteer to be organ donors.
Felgraf: enry: Maybe it will serve to make more people volunteer to be organ donors.Would that have helped in this case? CAn you *GIVE* a baby an adult human's heart?/Listed as an organ donor.//Also on the bone marrow donor list, because there's no @#T#@ reason *NOT* to be.
Benevolent Misanthrope: Parents, when it comes to defending their children's lives, should stop at nothing.
WayToBlue: "You don't want to waste a heart on him," Chenkus replied. "You're trying to play God...I so hate the phrase "playing god." It's used by whatever side to mean whatever they want. I would argue that taking a heart out of one person and putting it in another is much closer to playing god than letting someone die from the defect they were born with.
Riff-Raff: *RTFA, dammit.
rev. dave: Well the government has no business taking the death panels away from the private sector where it can increase shareholder value.
Monkeyhouse Zendo: Benevolent Misanthrope: Parents, when it comes to defending their children's lives, should stop at nothing.I'm pretty sure they should stop well before cutting the heart out of a healthy living child so that their child can use it as a replacement.
sammyk: I survived a liver transplant from UMDNJ. They have a weekly meeting to go over all the cases. The heads of just about every department attend. I had to get clearance from all of them before my case made that meeting. Once you get all of them on board they use the meeting to compare notes. Psychiatric, cardiac, gastrointestinal, transplant, social workers. All of them have to be on board. They asked about every detail of my life. Did I have support at home, am I farking crazy, do I abuse drugs, have I been compliant with current treatment. They can't officially ask about your criminal record, but I'm pretty sure the social worker googled my happy ass. Viable organs are freaking rare. That's life. Tough titty said the kitty.TFA is so one sided that it's not an article, it's a smear job on the incredible transplant professionals we have in this country. I am sorry for this families loss, not everyone gets a farking transplant. No amount of googling is going to change that fact./fark you I got mine//hopes we can grow organs in a lab someday///life is a biatch.
Anonymous Bosch: Subby is a lying sack of shiat.
Benevolent Misanthrope: ...This is bad on so damn many levels.
maxheck: So how many Farkers commenting in this thread have the organ donor checkbox ticked on their driver's license?/10+ gallon blood donor, so I can be a *little* smug about this...
Phil McKraken: Benevolent Misanthrope: ...This is bad on so damn many levels.Except you missed the wonderful part that we can do what we do. Mistakes will be made, hearts will be broken, but some will live. We should be thankful for what we can do and work harder to do more. Optimism, please!
Warlordtrooper: what_now: This is an awful story, but there aren't a lot of baby hearts to go around, and it makes sense for them to offer the heart to a baby who will survive the longest.Also, the doctors on the case don't decide who gets the heart, the transplant organization does, for very good reason,You didn't read the article did you? Studies have confirmed the kid isn't higher risk for diseases but rather that the kid would grow up disabled. I came in here to post about these decisions having always been made either by doctors (which I suppose if there is no way to save all the kids then is probably the "best" option) Or Insurance companies (unacceptable, these are the real death panels that have existed since the invention of insurance companies).The parents kind of have a point. The BS about the "increased risk for disease" was a BS excuse to allow them to discriminate against a kid who is likely to have a disability.
Nabb1: An opportunity to discuss medicalethics rationally has been wasted due to submitter's idiocy.
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