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2013-11-30 08:38:38 AM
Subs: Death panels, Obama!!

TFA: this has been going on for years

Reality: this has been going on as long as there has been doctors

But don't let me get in the way of a good GOP talking point
 
2013-11-30 09:03:26 AM

Rain-Monkey: Subs: Death panels, Obama!!

TFA: this has been going on for years

Reality: this has been going on as long as there has been doctors

But don't let me get in the way of a good GOP talking point


I think subby might have been sarcastic about the death panels, but its hard for me to be sure.
 
2013-11-30 09:06:04 AM
This is an awful story, but there aren't a lot of baby hearts to go around, and it makes sense for them to offer the heart to a baby who will survive the longest.

Also, the doctors on the case don't decide who gets the heart, the transplant organization does, for very good reason,
 
2013-11-30 09:14:42 AM
An opportunity to discuss medical
ethics rationally has been wasted due to submitter's idiocy.
 
2013-11-30 09:48:13 AM

what_now: This is an awful story, but there aren't a lot of baby hearts to go around, and it makes sense for them to offer the heart to a baby who will survive the longest.

Also, the doctors on the case don't decide who gets the heart, the transplant organization does, for very good reason,


This.  It's terrible that babies are born with defects, but they are.  It's terrible that we can't fix some of them without organs from donor babies, but for the moment we must.  It's not terrible that there are so few dead babies with viable hearts.

I grieve for the family - I have no children, but I know that losing a child has to be the most incredibly awful thing that can possibly happen to a parent.  I understand that they are angry.  I understand that they vehemently disagree with the decision, and they will do anything to save their child.  And when it comes to children (or saving a life, for that matter), that's how it should be.  Parents, when it comes to defending their children's lives, should stop at nothing.  Good parents, loving parents, when it comes to defending their children, are ruthless.  They're madmen.  They don't give a damn.  They will make enemies, they will break laws, they will break bones - but you will not mess with their kids.

Now, though, we have the Internet.  Everyone with even the smallest axe to grind has an international megaphone.  Parents who are about to lose their child's life when someone could possibly save it...  God, I can't even imagine.  But their grief will be presented as an outrage rather than a terrible, heartbreaking decision.

This is bad on so damn many levels.
 
2013-11-30 10:25:30 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: what_now: This is an awful story, but there aren't a lot of baby hearts to go around, and it makes sense for them to offer the heart to a baby who will survive the longest.

Also, the doctors on the case don't decide who gets the heart, the transplant organization does, for very good reason,

This.  It's terrible that babies are born with defects, but they are.  It's terrible that we can't fix some of them without organs from donor babies, but for the moment we must.  It's not terrible that there are so few dead babies with viable hearts.

I grieve for the family - I have no children, but I know that losing a child has to be the most incredibly awful thing that can possibly happen to a parent.  I understand that they are angry.  I understand that they vehemently disagree with the decision, and they will do anything to save their child.  And when it comes to children (or saving a life, for that matter), that's how it should be.  Parents, when it comes to defending their children's lives, should stop at nothing.  Good parents, loving parents, when it comes to defending their children, are ruthless.  They're madmen.  They don't give a damn.  They will make enemies, they will break laws, they will break bones - but you will not mess with their kids.

Now, though, we have the Internet.  Everyone with even the smallest axe to grind has an international megaphone.  Parents who are about to lose their child's life when someone could possibly save it...  God, I can't even imagine.  But their grief will be presented as an outrage rather than a terrible, heartbreaking decision.

This is bad on so damn many levels.


Maybe it will serve to make more people volunteer to be organ donors.
 
2013-11-30 10:27:03 AM
How did I know this was going to go green?
 
2013-11-30 10:33:25 AM
Stem cell research has the potential to allow us to grow organs for whoever needs them, without having to go through the transplant process, but the people who'll try to make political gain from this awful story tried to hobble stem cell research because Jesus.
 
2013-11-30 10:39:23 AM
I'm going to assume subby is just trolling.

Doctors don't play God. God simply lets people die. Doctors try to save them.

/don't they have baboon hearts or artificial hearts now?
//guess the fact that Dick Cheney is 106 years old didn't stop him from getting a heart
 
2013-11-30 10:55:45 AM
I survived a liver transplant from UMDNJ. They have a weekly meeting to go over all the cases. The heads of just about every department attend. I had to get clearance from all of them before my case made that meeting. Once you get all of them on board they use the meeting to compare notes. Psychiatric, cardiac, gastrointestinal, transplant, social workers. All of them have to be on board. They asked about every detail of my life. Did I have support at home, am I farking crazy, do I abuse drugs, have I been compliant with current treatment. They can't officially ask about your criminal record, but I'm pretty sure the social worker googled my happy ass. Viable organs are freaking rare. That's life. Tough titty said the kitty.

TFA is so one sided that it's not an article, it's a smear job on the incredible transplant professionals we have in this country. I am sorry for this families loss, not everyone gets a farking transplant. No amount of googling is going to change that fact.

/fark you I got mine
//hopes we can grow organs in a lab someday
///life is a biatch.
 
2013-11-30 11:22:57 AM
"The free market is much better than the government at deciding who lives and who dies."

- the GOP
 
2013-11-30 11:32:10 AM
Fact: Subby was indeed being sarcastic and snarky.
Fact: Doctors provided false information to the parents. They LIED.
Fact: For anyone who actually RTAF, the fourth hospital the parents went to provided sufficient care to the child that he went home, fully recovered, WITHOUT the transplant.
Fact: This isn't about whether or not the child deserved a transplanted organ.  This is about doctors simply giving up on a patient and providing false medical information to the parents which could have led to the unnecessary death of a child.
Fact: Subby is indeed an idiot, but for other reasons too numerous and complicated to discuss here.
 
2013-11-30 11:32:23 AM

enry: Maybe it will serve to make more people volunteer to be organ donors.


Would that have helped in this case? CAn you *GIVE* a baby an adult human's heart?

/Listed as an organ donor.
//Also on the bone marrow donor list, because there's no @#T#@ reason *NOT* to be.
 
2013-11-30 11:32:29 AM
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MORE HEARTS FOR THE HEART GOD!
 
2013-11-30 11:33:17 AM

what_now: This is an awful story, but there aren't a lot of baby hearts to go around, and it makes sense for them to offer the heart to a baby who will survive the longest.

Also, the doctors on the case don't decide who gets the heart, the transplant organization does, for very good reason,


Wasn't there a story not too long ago about some hardcase kid that got a transplant when they really shouldn't have because of the media attention?  I really hope this doesn't end up like that.
 
2013-11-30 11:33:56 AM
*RTFA, dammit.
 
2013-11-30 11:35:10 AM
"You don't want to waste a heart on him," Chenkus replied. "You're trying to play God...

I so hate the phrase "playing god." It's used by whatever side to mean whatever they want. I would argue that taking a heart out of one person and putting it in another is much closer to playing god than letting someone die from the defect they were born with.
 
2013-11-30 11:36:43 AM
Baby Cheney gets dibs!
 
2013-11-30 11:40:01 AM
How is babby deformed? How heart get transplant?
 
2013-11-30 11:40:18 AM

Felgraf: enry: Maybe it will serve to make more people volunteer to be organ donors.

Would that have helped in this case? CAn you *GIVE* a baby an adult human's heart?

/Listed as an organ donor.
//Also on the bone marrow donor list, because there's no @#T#@ reason *NOT* to be.


exposed to lots of weird diseases/vaccines/chemicals thanks to Uncle Sam, probably best if I don't depend on the transplant people to appropriately disqualify my various organs

/still an eye donor
//you can give a baby a human heart as a gift, if your Aztec
 
2013-11-30 11:42:48 AM
Obamacare Death Panels: Are they targeting babies?

We report, you decide.
 
2013-11-30 11:43:37 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Parents, when it comes to defending their children's lives, should stop at nothing.


I'm pretty sure they should stop well before cutting the heart out of a healthy living child so that their child can use it as a replacement.
 
2013-11-30 11:44:07 AM

WayToBlue: "You don't want to waste a heart on him," Chenkus replied. "You're trying to play God...

I so hate the phrase "playing god." It's used by whatever side to mean whatever they want. I would argue that taking a heart out of one person and putting it in another is much closer to playing god than letting someone die from the defect they were born with.


Yes, and also when you allow one person to be a donor you're denying someone else the opportunity.
 
2013-11-30 11:44:42 AM
Well the government has no business taking the death panels away from the private sector where it can increase shareholder value.
 
2013-11-30 11:45:03 AM
A buddy of mine was denied a novel treatment for his untreatable brain tumor by his insurance company.  He had to jump through lots of hoops for a year or so to finally get them to pay for it.  Their Weeners to his request was "Nope, not on our approved list."  meaning it would cost them money instead of make them money.  Only after he got documents from the experimental surgeon and cancer specialist involved, and took the request uphill to somebody who could actually make decisions at the insurance company did they finally relent.  Without the treatment he would be dead now, but instead he's been cancer free for 5+years.

Insurance companies are not our friends and will let you die regardless of Obamacare.  That's the price we pay for overly expensive healthcare that's nowhere near the "best in the world".
 
2013-11-30 11:47:30 AM
Unfortunately there simply aren't enough donor hearts to go around, particularly since each hospital is required by law to keep two on standby in case Dick Cheney is hungry,
 
2013-11-30 11:48:11 AM

Riff-Raff: *RTFA, dammit.


Are you kidding?  That article was waaaay too long.
 
2013-11-30 11:48:13 AM

rev. dave: Well the government has no business taking the death panels away from the private sector where it can increase shareholder value.


You, sir, are my hero for the day.
 
2013-11-30 11:49:11 AM

rev. dave: Well the government has no business taking the death panels away from the private sector where it can increase shareholder value.


Nailed it.
 
2013-11-30 11:50:09 AM
Farking triage, how does it work?
 
2013-11-30 11:52:02 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Benevolent Misanthrope: Parents, when it comes to defending their children's lives, should stop at nothing.

I'm pretty sure they should stop well before cutting the heart out of a healthy living child so that their child can use it as a replacement.


OK, I'll grant you that one.
 
2013-11-30 11:54:23 AM

sammyk: I survived a liver transplant from UMDNJ. They have a weekly meeting to go over all the cases. The heads of just about every department attend. I had to get clearance from all of them before my case made that meeting. Once you get all of them on board they use the meeting to compare notes. Psychiatric, cardiac, gastrointestinal, transplant, social workers. All of them have to be on board. They asked about every detail of my life. Did I have support at home, am I farking crazy, do I abuse drugs, have I been compliant with current treatment. They can't officially ask about your criminal record, but I'm pretty sure the social worker googled my happy ass. Viable organs are freaking rare. That's life. Tough titty said the kitty.

TFA is so one sided that it's not an article, it's a smear job on the incredible transplant professionals we have in this country. I am sorry for this families loss, not everyone gets a farking transplant. No amount of googling is going to change that fact.

/fark you I got mine
//hopes we can grow organs in a lab someday
///life is a biatch.


Or just print them out:
http://www.organovo.com/
 
2013-11-30 11:54:46 AM
I think the parents missed the obvious source of the discrimination.  Imagine you're a doctor and someone brings in their kid named "Maverick".  Clearly they're unfit parents and the kid likely won't have a chance in the world.
 
2013-11-30 11:58:20 AM
Subby is a lying sack of shiat.
 
2013-11-30 12:01:30 PM

what_now: This is an awful story, but there aren't a lot of baby hearts to go around, and it makes sense for them to offer the heart to a baby who will survive the longest.

Also, the doctors on the case don't decide who gets the heart, the transplant organization does, for very good reason,


You didn't read the article did you?  Studies have confirmed the kid isn't higher risk for diseases but rather that the kid would grow up disabled.  I came in here to post about these decisions having always been made either by doctors (which I suppose if there is no way to save all the kids then is probably the "best" option)  Or Insurance companies  (unacceptable, these are the real death panels that have existed since the invention of insurance companies).

The parents kind of have a point.  The BS about the "increased risk for disease" was a BS excuse to allow them to discriminate against a kid who is likely to have a disability.
 
2013-11-30 12:01:43 PM

Anonymous Bosch: Subby is a lying sack of shiat.


Usually.  But then, I'm not a doctor.
 
2013-11-30 12:02:21 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: ...

This is bad on so damn many levels.


Except you missed the wonderful part that we can do what we do. Mistakes will be made, hearts will be broken, but some will live. We should be thankful for what we can do and work harder to do more. Optimism, please!
 
2013-11-30 12:03:32 PM
CTRL + F: "ACA". "Obamacare" "Affordable Care Act"

no results found

Headline isn't sensationalist.  It's 100% inaccurate.

The article is sensationalist.
 
2013-11-30 12:03:44 PM
If anyone should have been denied a heart transplant I would have hoped it would have been Cheney.
 
2013-11-30 12:05:37 PM
"We have to be stewards of a very valuable resource. We want hearts to go to people who we think will benefit the most from them," said Dr. David Taylor"

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2013-11-30 12:05:51 PM
I want to be on these Death Panels, but the only job I can get is FEMA camp guard. I needed special clearance to get Jack Booted Thug. Maybe I can take a correspondence course and be able to join the PC Police.
 
2013-11-30 12:08:18 PM

Felgraf: enry: Maybe it will serve to make more people volunteer to be organ donors.

Would that have helped in this case? CAn you *GIVE* a baby an adult human's heart?

/Listed as an organ donor.
//Also on the bone marrow donor list, because there's no @#T#@ reason *NOT* to be.


Well parents offering their kids' organs too obviously.
 
2013-11-30 12:10:20 PM
So how many Farkers commenting in this thread have the organ donor checkbox ticked on their driver's license?

/10+ gallon blood donor, so I can be a *little* smug about this...
 
2013-11-30 12:11:30 PM

maxheck: So how many Farkers commenting in this thread have the organ donor checkbox ticked on their driver's license?

/10+ gallon blood donor, so I can be a *little* smug about this...


I donate semen regularly, Mister smug-pants.
 
2013-11-30 12:12:10 PM

Phil McKraken: Benevolent Misanthrope: ...

This is bad on so damn many levels.

Except you missed the wonderful part that we can do what we do. Mistakes will be made, hearts will be broken, but some will live. We should be thankful for what we can do and work harder to do more. Optimism, please!


I meant, this article is bad on so many levels.  It's heartbreaking, and even worse the parents are smearing the transplant doctors and the news folks are lapping it up and exploiting it.
 
2013-11-30 12:13:36 PM

maxheck: So how many Farkers commenting in this thread have the organ donor checkbox ticked on their driver's license?

/10+ gallon blood donor, so I can be a *little* smug about this...


Ever since I had the option, and I'm wiling to wager there are several of us 10+ gallon blood donors on a site the size of Fark, Smuggy McSmuggerson.
 
2013-11-30 12:17:04 PM

Warlordtrooper: what_now: This is an awful story, but there aren't a lot of baby hearts to go around, and it makes sense for them to offer the heart to a baby who will survive the longest.

Also, the doctors on the case don't decide who gets the heart, the transplant organization does, for very good reason,

You didn't read the article did you?  Studies have confirmed the kid isn't higher risk for diseases but rather that the kid would grow up disabled.  I came in here to post about these decisions having always been made either by doctors (which I suppose if there is no way to save all the kids then is probably the "best" option)  Or Insurance companies  (unacceptable, these are the real death panels that have existed since the invention of insurance companies).

The parents kind of have a point.  The BS about the "increased risk for disease" was a BS excuse to allow them to discriminate against a kid who is likely to have a disability.



They would have a point if that article had anything related to facts in that regard.  This was an op-ed.
 
2013-11-30 12:17:35 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope:

maxheck: So how many Farkers commenting in this thread have the organ donor checkbox ticked on their driver's license?

/10+ gallon blood donor, so I can be a *little* smug about this...

Ever since I had the option, and I'm wiling to wager there are several of us 10+ gallon blood donors on a site the size of Fark, Smuggy McSmuggerson.


Which is a wonderful thing! Was just establishing that I wasn't ranting without cause.
 
2013-11-30 12:18:41 PM

Nabb1: An opportunity to discuss medical
ethics rationally has been wasted due to submitter's idiocy.


This might be the first time I've ever agreed with you on anything.

But in any even this is a terrible situation for all involved. No matter what mommy says this decision was not made lightly or capriciously. The implication is  her son is a victim of a ghoulish and insensitive medical establishment that cares more about helping "certain people" when the reality is that her case isn't anything new, uncommon or unethical. The sad truth is there are only so many viable organs available, far less than people in need of transplant. The decision who gets a transplant is not made quickly or easily, do you guys really think its an easy thing to condemn a person to death? Let alone a baby? Lets be realistic thats exactly what we're talking about here. They weigh candidates based on numerous factors and choose the candidate that has the most to gain from a transplant plain and simple.

So instead of just accepting that sometimes in life the worst possible thing occurs she goes on the web and "tells her side." Making dramatic claims about "playing god" and painting the board as stereotypical insensitive bureaucrats more worried about their bottom line than helping people. Sad truth is it will probably work. But before you cheer just remember when god catches you he pushes someone else off a tall building.

There are probably dozens of infants in the same dire circumstances who need a transplant just as desperately. So if her son gets it another baby gets to die in his place probably more than one. Despite declaring that the doctors are the ones playing god she has no compunction about letting someone else's child die now does she? I don't blame her but what makes her child more deserving than another? This isn't a process where you just take a number and wait your turn. Before the process even begins doctors tell all candidates that there is absolutely no guarantee just because they reach the top of the waiting list they will receive a transplant and that it depends on a variety of factors. Making it to the top of the list on gets you consideration and sadly the doctors felt that the organ would do more good for someone else, that point is debatable but as I said before her case is neither unique or unjust its simply the way things are.
 
2013-11-30 12:19:04 PM
A lot of you farkers need a sarcasm detector transplant.
 
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