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2013-11-30 06:36:02 AM
Why?
 
2013-11-30 06:46:16 AM

Mugato: Why?


China is afraid people think of it like an overgrown third world country. So it does things like this to show that it is a superpower. The irony is that China is both.
 
2013-11-30 07:35:32 AM
The rover was later named 'Yutu', or jade rabbit, following an online poll.  The name derives from an ancient Chinese myth about a white rabbit that lives on the moon as the pet of Chang'e, a lunar goddess who swallowed an immortality pill.

The one that makes you larger, smaller, or the one that mother gives you which doesn't do anything at all?
 
2013-11-30 07:39:41 AM

berylman: The rover was later named 'Yutu', or jade rabbit, following an online poll.  The name derives from an ancient Chinese myth about a white rabbit that lives on the moon as the pet of Chang'e, a lunar goddess who swallowed an immortality pill.

The one that makes you larger, smaller, or the one that mother gives you which doesn't do anything at all?


Go ask Arice, when she's ten feet tarr.
 
2013-11-30 07:43:53 AM
I sure hope china doesn't make its moon rover out of the supplies they use in dry walls because......chinese dry walls...supplies!
 
2013-11-30 07:45:57 AM
Great. Lead contamination on the moon. Now we'll never be able to live there.

/I'm pretty sure there is some blame for Obummer here somewhere.
 
2013-11-30 07:51:11 AM
I certainly hope they don't install the guidance system gyroscope upside down.
 
2013-11-30 07:52:28 AM
Is it going to visit the Apollo 11 set?
 
2013-11-30 07:53:54 AM

Mugato: Why?


Whoever is on it can lay claim to it
 
2013-11-30 08:03:15 AM
 
2013-11-30 08:10:15 AM

Dansker: Great_Milenko: Mugato: Why?

Whoever is on it can lay claim to it

No.
By international treaty "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means"


Who's gonna stop 'em?
 
2013-11-30 08:14:37 AM

Great_Milenko: Dansker: Great_Milenko: Mugato: Why?

Whoever is on it can lay claim to it

No.
By international treaty "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means"

Who's gonna stop 'em?


Moon Nazis?

moonconspiracy.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-30 08:17:05 AM

berylman: The rover was later named 'Yutu', or jade rabbit, following an online poll.  The name derives from an ancient Chinese myth about a white rabbit that lives on the moon as the pet of Chang'e, a lunar goddess who swallowed an immortality pill.


What is the deal with weird Asian fairy tales.  Can't they believe in something simple, like a guy who can walk on water, who loves us, but wants to send us to hell, because we touch our naughty parts too much, unless we kiss his ass, then he will save of from hell, and in return, we get to sit around, kissing his ass for all eternity?  I mean which is more believable?
 
2013-11-30 08:19:25 AM

Great_Milenko: Dansker: Great_Milenko: Mugato: Why?

Whoever is on it can lay claim to it

No.
By international treaty "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means"

Who's gonna stop 'em?


IF they laid claim to the moon, it would have absolutely no legal meaning, it would be a violation of the treaty and make them subject to international sanctions.
Your idea that whoever is on the moon can lay claim to it is just wrong.
 
2013-11-30 08:20:14 AM
The problem with a Chinese moon mission is that when it's complete you want to fire off another one 30 minutes later.
 
2013-11-30 08:27:53 AM

Mugato: Why?


According to http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/25141597 it's mostly for strip mining, but also a bit for scientific and technological progress, pride, unifying the population and a place to put solar panels.
 
2013-11-30 08:37:59 AM
well, if the quality of the piece of sh*t scooter I bought is any indication, the U.S has nothing to worry about.
 
2013-11-30 08:48:18 AM
Well I don't know how they can do a moon program now that Stanley Kubrick has died....
 
2013-11-30 08:53:47 AM
The Chinese certainly have Spirit. This will be a great Opportunity to see if their universities are better than the likes of Phoenix and Devry. It has certainly piqued my Curiosity.

/the US points and laughs from Mars.
 
2013-11-30 08:57:48 AM

Dansker: Great_Milenko: Dansker: Great_Milenko: Mugato: Why?

Whoever is on it can lay claim to it

No.
By international treaty "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means"

Who's gonna stop 'em?

IF they laid claim to the moon, it would have absolutely no legal meaning, it would be a violation of the treaty and make them subject to international sanctions.
Your idea that whoever is on the moon can lay claim to it is just wrong.


They can claim it if they can defend it.
 
2013-11-30 09:02:57 AM

phrawgh: Dansker: Great_Milenko: Dansker: Great_Milenko: Mugato: Why?

Whoever is on it can lay claim to it

No.
By international treaty "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means"

Who's gonna stop 'em?

IF they laid claim to the moon, it would have absolutely no legal meaning, it would be a violation of the treaty and make them subject to international sanctions.
Your idea that whoever is on the moon can lay claim to it is just wrong.

They can claim it if they can defend it.


China is not going to claim the Moon is Chinese.
 
2013-11-30 09:10:25 AM

Dansker: phrawgh: Dansker: Great_Milenko: Dansker: Great_Milenko: Mugato: Why?

Whoever is on it can lay claim to it

No.
By international treaty "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means"

Who's gonna stop 'em?

IF they laid claim to the moon, it would have absolutely no legal meaning, it would be a violation of the treaty and make them subject to international sanctions.
Your idea that whoever is on the moon can lay claim to it is just wrong.

They can claim it if they can defend it.

China is not going to claim the Moon is Chinese.


No one thought they were going to declare an ADIZ over Japanese territory but they just did. I don't trust those Chi-Coms. I bet they are almost done building that tunnel to Las Vegas by now.

Anyway, if they did, we'd need Space Marines.
 
2013-11-30 09:24:52 AM

phrawgh: Dansker: China is not going to claim the Moon is Chinese.

No one thought they were going to declare an ADIZ over Japanese territory but they just did.


And by "no one thought they were going to" you mean most people, who are paying close attention to territorial disputes in the South China Sea, thought they might.
 
2013-11-30 09:28:53 AM

Dansker: phrawgh: Dansker: Great_Milenko: Dansker: Great_Milenko: Mugato: Why?

Whoever is on it can lay claim to it

No.
By international treaty "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means"

Who's gonna stop 'em?

IF they laid claim to the moon, it would have absolutely no legal meaning, it would be a violation of the treaty and make them subject to international sanctions.
Your idea that whoever is on the moon can lay claim to it is just wrong.

They can claim it if they can defend it.

China is not going to claim the Moon is Chinese.


We can't allow a moon gap.
 
2013-11-30 09:31:56 AM
The_Original_Roxtar
2013-11-30 08:53:47 AM


The Chinese certainly have Spirit. This will be a great Opportunity to see if their universities are better than the likes of Phoenix and Devry. It has certainly piqued my Curiosity.

/the US points and laughs from Mars.

The us has no ability to put a person anywhere, and Curiosity got a boost from russian rockets.

When we have something to laugh at others about, i'll let you know.
 
2013-11-30 09:32:35 AM

Billy Bathsalt:
We can't allow a moon gap.


Your mom has a moon gap!
 
2013-11-30 09:35:39 AM

phrawgh: No one thought they were going to declare an ADIZ over Japanese territory but they just did. I don't trust those Chi-Coms. I bet they are almost done building that tunnel to Las Vegas by now.

Anyway, if they did, we'd need Space Marines.


www.unifiedrepublicofstars.com
We already have our secret weapon, Space Cadet Dr. Christmas Ibanez
 
2013-11-30 09:42:00 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: The Chinese certainly have Spirit. This will be a great Opportunity to see if their universities are better than the likes of Phoenix and Devry. It has certainly piqued my Curiosity.

/the US points and laughs from Mars.


You forgot Sojourner. Phoenix wasn't a rover. So you should have included Viking 1 & 2.

Your point still stands
 
2013-11-30 09:44:47 AM
There will be a follow-on mission to install the batteries that didn't come with the rover.
 
2013-11-30 09:46:37 AM

I know more than you: Mugato: Why?

According to http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/25141597 it's mostly for strip mining, but also a bit for scientific and technological progress, pride, unifying the population and a place to put solar panels.


That... and if you prove can deliver a rover to the moon via a rocket, you can likely precisely deliver other rocket carried payloads to locations on Earth.
 
2013-11-30 09:47:55 AM

OnlyM3: The_Original_Roxtar
2013-11-30 08:53:47 AM


The Chinese certainly have Spirit. This will be a great Opportunity to see if their universities are better than the likes of Phoenix and Devry. It has certainly piqued my Curiosity.

/the US points and laughs from Mars.
The us has no ability to put a person anywhere, and Curiosity got a boost from russian rockets.

When we have something to laugh at others about, i'll let you know.


Soon...
 
2013-11-30 09:49:30 AM
We* should have planted explosives on the moon during the first mission. Not enough to blow up the moon, that would cause a fallout that could destroy earth but just enough to fark up anyone else who tried to muscle in on our turf.


* I'm using "we" like some sports idiot when they're talking about their team. I mean the US.
 
2013-11-30 09:51:48 AM

Mugato: We* should have planted explosives on the moon during the first mission. Not enough to blow up the moon, that would cause a fallout that could destroy earth but just enough to fark up anyone else who tried to muscle in on our turf.


The Moon is not your turf.
 
2013-11-30 09:52:18 AM

wingnut396: if you prove can deliver a rover to the moon via a rocket, you can likely precisely deliver other rocket carried payloads to locations on Earth


Like China would ever start any shiat with the US. At the very least it would fark up their economy.
 
2013-11-30 09:54:29 AM

OnlyM3: The_Original_Roxtar
2013-11-30 08:53:47 AM


The Chinese certainly have Spirit. This will be a great Opportunity to see if their universities are better than the likes of Phoenix and Devry. It has certainly piqued my Curiosity.

/the US points and laughs from Mars.
The us has no ability to put a person anywhere, and Curiosity got a boost from russian rockets.

When we have something to laugh at others about, i'll let you know.


Plus the fact that Curiosity contains scientific equipment from Canada, France, Germany, Spain, Finland and Russia.
 
2013-11-30 09:55:41 AM

Dansker: Mugato: We* should have planted explosives on the moon during the first mission. Not enough to blow up the moon, that would cause a fallout that could destroy earth but just enough to fark up anyone else who tried to muscle in on our turf.

The Moon is not your turf.


Well not now, we forgot the explosives.
 
2013-11-30 10:16:55 AM

Mugato: Dansker: Mugato: We* should have planted explosives on the moon during the first mission. Not enough to blow up the moon, that would cause a fallout that could destroy earth but just enough to fark up anyone else who tried to muscle in on our turf.

The Moon is not your turf.

Well not now, we forgot the explosives.


Touche.
 
2013-11-30 10:21:16 AM

Mugato: We* should have planted explosives on the moon during the first mission. Not enough to blow up the moon, that would cause a fallout that could destroy earth but just enough to fark up anyone else who tried to muscle in on our turf.


* I'm using "we" like some sports idiot when they're talking about their team. I mean the US.


Please tell me you don't honestly believe we have the ability to blow up the moon.

If you took every nuke, bomb, stick of dynamite, and keg of gunpowder ever built in all of history, and blew every bit of it up at the same time, you couldn't even make the biggest crater on the moon.
 
2013-11-30 10:39:00 AM
That's no rover, it's a von Neumann machine.
 
2013-11-30 10:41:21 AM
Why does the moon need a "lover" we love it long time from the ground?
 
2013-11-30 10:43:48 AM

adm_crunch: Mugato: We* should have planted explosives on the moon during the first mission. Not enough to blow up the moon, that would cause a fallout that could destroy earth but just enough to fark up anyone else who tried to muscle in on our turf.


* I'm using "we" like some sports idiot when they're talking about their team. I mean the US.

Please tell me you don't honestly believe we have the ability to blow up the moon.

If you took every nuke, bomb, stick of dynamite, and keg of gunpowder ever built in all of history, and blew every bit of it up at the same time, you couldn't even make the biggest crater on the moon.



Yes, that post was 100% serious.
 
2013-11-30 10:51:08 AM

adm_crunch: Mugato: We* should have planted explosives on the moon during the first mission. Not enough to blow up the moon, that would cause a fallout that could destroy earth but just enough to fark up anyone else who tried to muscle in on our turf.


* I'm using "we" like some sports idiot when they're talking about their team. I mean the US.

Please tell me you don't honestly believe we have the ability to blow up the moon.

If you took every nuke, bomb, stick of dynamite, and keg of gunpowder ever built in all of history, and blew every bit of it up at the same time, you couldn't even make the biggest crater on the moon.


Even drunk on a weekend, "I" knew he was joking. 

You caught 2, Mugato! And you weren't even trying! (I'd bet)
 
2013-11-30 11:20:12 AM

Dansker: Great_Milenko: Dansker: Great_Milenko: Mugato: Why?

Whoever is on it can lay claim to it

No.
By international treaty "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means"

Who's gonna stop 'em?

IF they laid claim to the moon, it would have absolutely no legal meaning, it would be a violation of the treaty and make them subject to international sanctions.
Your idea that whoever is on the moon can lay claim to it is just wrong.


So what kind of sanctions would we put on them, they can't lend us anymore more money?  That would learn 'em, that would learn 'em real good!
 
2013-11-30 11:41:19 AM

zimbomba63:
So what kind of sanctions would we put on them


Trade sanctions. Diplomatic sanction. Economic sanctions.
But the whole discussion is purely academic; they are not going to claim that the Moon is Chinese.

they can't lend us anymore more money?

I said "international sanctions". Most of us don't owe China more than they owe us. China's foreign debt is approaching $1 trillion.
 
2013-11-30 11:56:04 AM

Dansker: Great_Milenko: Dansker: Great_Milenko: Mugato: Why?

IF they laid claim to the moon, it would have absolutely no legal meaning, it would be a violation of the treaty and make them subject to international sanctions.


Sanctions?  They don't give a crap about the sanctions we put on them for stuff here on Earth.  What makes you think they're going to care about yet another strongly worded letter from the U.N., the least-effective government organization since the Department of Motor Vehicles?

Whoever's there can do what they want.  Your silly paperwork means nothing.
 
2013-11-30 12:13:30 PM

Dansker: zimbomba63:
So what kind of sanctions would we put on them

Trade sanctions. Diplomatic sanction. Economic sanctions.
But the whole discussion is purely academic; they are not going to claim that the Moon is Chinese.

they can't lend us anymore more money?

I said "international sanctions". Most of us don't owe China more than they owe us. China's foreign debt is approaching $1 trillion.


I missed the part where they owe "us" the trillion, please point it out to me.  You're right, I don't owe China anything, and I don't think you do, either.  Our country does, though. Take China out of the mix of buyers of US debt, what will happen?  Can you say "Higher interest rates for US debt instruments, to make them more attractive to potential purchasers"?  I knew you could.
 
2013-11-30 12:24:04 PM

reaperducer:
What makes you think they're going to care about yet another strongly worded letter from the U.N.


Obviously, in this purely hypothetical scenario, it wouldn't be through the UN, brainiac. China has veto power in the Security Council.
But nothing prevents nations from imposing sanctions outside the UN, as happened after the Tienanmen Square massacre; those sanctions cost China a lot of income from tourism, prevented sales of weapons and technology, reduced their dimplomatic influence and drastically reduced foreign investment and lending.
 
2013-11-30 12:27:27 PM

zimbomba63:
I said "international sanctions". Most of us don't owe China more than they owe us. China's foreign debt is approaching $1 trillion.

I missed the part where they owe "us" the trillion, please point it out to me.  You're right, I don't owe China anything, and I don't think you do, either.  Our country does, though.


Your country, not mine, Captain Assumptions. You and China are not alone on this planet.
 
2013-11-30 12:29:01 PM
And could everybody please stop making Fark look dumber than it is? Just because something is ambitious doesn't mean it's a good idea.
 
2013-11-30 12:39:34 PM

Dansker: reaperducer:
What makes you think they're going to care about yet another strongly worded letter from the U.N.

Obviously, in this purely hypothetical scenario, it wouldn't be through the UN, brainiac. China has veto power in the Security Council.
But nothing prevents nations from imposing sanctions outside the UN, as happened after the Tienanmen Square massacre;

thosesanctions cost China a lot of income from tourism,


[citation needed]

prevented sales of weapons and technology,

What the West refused to sell them, Russia did.

reduced their dimplomatic influence

Ummm... no.  China is far more influential now than it was back then.

 and drastically reduced foreign investment and lending.

Yeah, China's really hurting for money these days.

My point stands --  Whoever's there can do what they want.  Your silly paperwork means nothing.
 
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