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(AZCentral)   God just bogarted from us a billionaire who was one of the most generous supporters of marijuana legalization efforts in the country. Plus he was the boss of Flo the Progressive Insurance Agent   (azcentral.com) divider line 93
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2013-11-30 06:35:19 AM
Sad. Another life cut tragically short by smoking weed, one of the most addictive and deadly drugs on the face of the earth.

You sheeple need to watch Reefer Madness. Wake up.
 
2013-11-30 06:42:35 AM
I'm so sorry that someone dying is primarily of interest to you because of how much money you're used to them giving you. Barely a single word of thanks, just biatching that sugar daddy isn't around any more.
 
2013-11-30 06:43:49 AM

hardinparamedic: Sad. Another life cut tragically short by smoking weed, one of the most addictive and deadly drugs on the face of the earth.

You sheeple need to watch Reefer Madness. Wake up.


he injected too many marijuanas.  so sad.
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also, that anti marijuana lady in the article seemed like a real fun person to be around.
 
2013-11-30 06:58:09 AM
Why couldn't it have been Flo?
 
2013-11-30 07:01:48 AM
Even if I support their beliefs and causes, very rich people who try to influence the political process or government decisions make me very uneasy.  For every rich pothead or Warren Buffett (who, alas, still makes a lot of money off the backs of the workers whose taxes he points out are unfair) there are fifty assholes like the Koch brothers, who operate solely for their own sociopathic self-interest and see government policy as being just another service they can purchase, everyone else be damned.
 
2013-11-30 07:05:00 AM
Did a GIS for Peter B. Lewis.  Guy looks like he smokes an ounce by himself for breakfast. Just kidding, quite respectable.
 
SH
2013-11-30 07:05:40 AM

hardinparamedic: Sad. Another life cut tragically short by smoking weed, one of the most addictive and deadly drugs on the face of the earth.

You sheeple need to watch Reefer Madness. Wake up.


I certainly hope this is my sarcasm detector malfunctioning as my first cup of coffee is still brewing. I'll double check in a half hour.
 
2013-11-30 07:08:20 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Why couldn't it have been Flo?


I'd hit it like the fist of an angry God.

And I have no idea why.  I just think she'd be a great lay.
 
2013-11-30 07:16:42 AM
Christine Link, executive director of the ACLU-Ohio, said "In the old days, who's out there arguing for marijuana are the people that wanted to light up a joint in church,"

Wait, what?
 
2013-11-30 07:26:39 AM

SH: hardinparamedic: Sad. Another life cut tragically short by smoking weed, one of the most addictive and deadly drugs on the face of the earth.

You sheeple need to watch Reefer Madness. Wake up.

I certainly hope this is my sarcasm detector malfunctioning as my first cup of coffee is still brewing. I'll double check in a half hour.


If you're going to take that seriously, I have a lake in the Sahara I'll sell you cheap.
 
2013-11-30 07:27:22 AM
I laughed, I cried, when little Mr. Geico died.

/MaryJane overdose. Tragic.
 
2013-11-30 07:27:53 AM
creatingchange24.files.wordpress.com
You're not the boss of me!
 
2013-11-30 07:28:53 AM

hardinparamedic: Sad. Another life cut tragically short by smoking weed, one of the most addictive and deadly drugs on the face of the earth.

You sheeple need to watch Reefer Madness. Wake up.


I just watched it. OMG did you see the way marihuana made those teenagers dance? What about that shady piano player sneaking into the closet to smoke more reefers? Why was the dealer always hungry?
I think im going to go door to door around my neighborhood passing out flyers about how dangerous it is and get signatures on a petition that makes it illegal FOREVER...EVEN ON OTHER PLANETS.
 
2013-11-30 07:29:10 AM
When I hear the word "billionaire" and "support", I immediately think "conspiracy", maaaan.
 
2013-11-30 07:29:20 AM

Jesus Farking Christ: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Why couldn't it have been Flo?

I'd hit it like the fist of an angry God.

And I have no idea why.  I just think she'd be a great lay.


Indeed.
 
2013-11-30 07:30:49 AM

Klom Dark: Christine Link, executive director of the ACLU-Ohio, said "In the old days, who's out there arguing for marijuana are the people that wanted to light up a joint in church,"

Wait, what?


She's high bro!

/I hope
//on dope
///like the pope
////on a rope
//soap
//wha?
 
2013-11-30 07:31:39 AM

The Angry Hand of God: Jesus Farking Christ: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Why couldn't it have been Flo?

I'd hit it like the fist of an angry God.

And I have no idea why.  I just think she'd be a great lay.

Indeed.


I'd up her premium.
 
2013-11-30 07:33:16 AM
Oh yea, Flo HAS some DSL's, no question.
 
2013-11-30 07:36:14 AM

I was arrested in Texas with less than a gram of Marijuana.  24 hours in jail.  $1,000 fine.  $350 in court costs. In addition to those fees, 24 months probation and another $65 per month OR 12 months at $200 per month.

I've never been in trouble with the law before.  Completely clean record.

I have a tons o med bills from a neck injury I had last year about this time.
I also left Estes Park, Colorado because of the flooding. Spent the last of my money to move back to my home town where I hadn't lived in over 24 years to start anew with the family's business. It's been tough financially, so I started this.
Not a hand out. Putting up my photography as incentives.. which also make kickass gifts.

My fund raiser
 
2013-11-30 07:42:06 AM
"I was arrested in Texas with less than a gram of Marijuana. 24 hours in jail. $1,000 fine. $350 in court costs. In addition to those fees, 24 months probation and another $65 per month OR 12 months at $200 per month.

I've never been in trouble with the law before. Completely clean record.
I have a tons o med bills from a neck injury I had last year about this time.
I also left Estes Park, Colorado because of the flooding. Spent the last of my money to move back to my home town where I hadn't lived in over 24 years to start anew with the family's business. It's been tough financially, so I started this.
Not a hand out. Putting up my photography as incentives.. which also make kickass gifts."

1.53/10, dude. Begging for bucks will besmirch your character.
 
2013-11-30 07:45:41 AM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: "I was arrested in Texas with less than a gram of Marijuana. 24 hours in jail. $1,000 fine. $350 in court costs. In addition to those fees, 24 months probation and another $65 per month OR 12 months at $200 per month.

I've never been in trouble with the law before. Completely clean record.
I have a tons o med bills from a neck injury I had last year about this time.
I also left Estes Park, Colorado because of the flooding. Spent the last of my money to move back to my home town where I hadn't lived in over 24 years to start anew with the family's business. It's been tough financially, so I started this.
Not a hand out. Putting up my photography as incentives.. which also make kickass gifts."

1.53/10, dude. Begging for bucks will besmirch your character.


Begging?  I'm a photographer and for $15.00 you get a matted and mounted piece of art?  I'll beg you to share the link, but you do get more than your money's worth if you participate.
 
2013-11-30 07:46:31 AM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: "I was arrested in Texas with less than a gram of Marijuana. 24 hours in jail. $1,000 fine. $350 in court costs. In addition to those fees, 24 months probation and another $65 per month OR 12 months at $200 per month.

I've never been in trouble with the law before. Completely clean record.
I have a tons o med bills from a neck injury I had last year about this time.
I also left Estes Park, Colorado because of the flooding. Spent the last of my money to move back to my home town where I hadn't lived in over 24 years to start anew with the family's business. It's been tough financially, so I started this.
Not a hand out. Putting up my photography as incentives.. which also make kickass gifts."

1.53/10, dude. Begging for bucks will besmirch your character.


She should sell weed. It's way more profitable.
 
2013-11-30 07:46:36 AM
fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net

Poster child #1 of the "You're not helping!" camp. This is what stoners actually believe.

/Fortunately, not every toker is so infatuated with their escape of choice.
//Still safer than alcohol.
 
2013-11-30 07:46:42 AM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: "I was arrested in Texas with less than a gram of Marijuana. 24 hours in jail. $1,000 fine. $350 in court costs. In addition to those fees, 24 months probation and another $65 per month OR 12 months at $200 per month.

I've never been in trouble with the law before. Completely clean record.
I have a tons o med bills from a neck injury I had last year about this time.
I also left Estes Park, Colorado because of the flooding. Spent the last of my money to move back to my home town where I hadn't lived in over 24 years to start anew with the family's business. It's been tough financially, so I started this.
Not a hand out. Putting up my photography as incentives.. which also make kickass gifts."

1.53/10, dude. Begging for bucks will besmirch your character.


Don't really agree. Plus, it's a lady. People unjustly fined and arrested deserve more support than the "successful" LEOs that put them there. And believe me, cops get paid well enough.
 
2013-11-30 07:49:41 AM

foxyshadis: [fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 458x584]

Poster child #1 of the "You're not helping!" camp. This is what stoners actually believe.

/Fortunately, not every toker is so infatuated with their escape of choice.
//Still safer than alcohol.


UH...

phillbarron.files.wordpress.com

Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.
 
2013-11-30 07:51:47 AM

foxyshadis: [fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 458x584]

Poster child #1 of the "You're not helping!" camp. This is what stoners actually believe.

/Fortunately, not every toker is so infatuated with their escape of choice.
//Still safer than alcohol.


All of it is true. Not sure what's inaccurate about it. Please post ONE death directly attributed to marijuana overdose, or illness (such as liver / stomach cancers produced by alcohol). Cannabis has been proven, in the largest case controlled medical studies yet performed, to have an anti-cancerous effect by causing damaged cells (cells likely to become cancerous) to enter early apoptosis. (Dr. Tashkin et al, UCLA). It is not physically addictive, and alcohol is. Any substance can be behaviourally or psychologically addictive, including fast food, which kills even more people than alcohol. The "grows brain cells" argument, I'm not sure of. But I can tell you after smoking 15 joints vs drinking 15 beers, you will know which one "kills more brain cells", let alone "kills your body and makes you feel like you literally want to die".

Alcohol and driving is not the same as weed and driving, no matter how many handwringing moralists tell you otherwise. This has also been proven as a false equivalence in any number of studies at this point (check NORML's list -- all sourced from governments as well as peer reviewed academic journals).

Sure, the poster may be slightly overstating, but the thrust is real, and if you disagree, you're far more ignorant than any strawman "stoner" you erected in your mind.
 
2013-11-30 07:54:35 AM

hardinparamedic: foxyshadis: [fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 458x584]

Poster child #1 of the "You're not helping!" camp. This is what stoners actually believe.

/Fortunately, not every toker is so infatuated with their escape of choice.
//Still safer than alcohol.

UH...

[phillbarron.files.wordpress.com image 400x250]

Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.


I agree, calling it an outright "cure" is disingenous. However, there's little doubt that it is a net positive for many cancer patients. I've seen you shill for pills before though (and not surprising as a member inculcated into the pill-pushing USA-USA health care "system") and there's little doubt that they are also far more dangerous in most cases of abuse than cannabis ever was.
 
2013-11-30 07:55:59 AM

RockofAges: DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: "I was arrested in Texas with less than a gram of Marijuana. 24 hours in jail. $1,000 fine. $350 in court costs. In addition to those fees, 24 months probation and another $65 per month OR 12 months at $200 per month.

I've never been in trouble with the law before. Completely clean record.
I have a tons o med bills from a neck injury I had last year about this time.
I also left Estes Park, Colorado because of the flooding. Spent the last of my money to move back to my home town where I hadn't lived in over 24 years to start anew with the family's business. It's been tough financially, so I started this.
Not a hand out. Putting up my photography as incentives.. which also make kickass gifts."

1.53/10, dude. Begging for bucks will besmirch your character.

Don't really agree. Plus, it's a lady. People unjustly fined and arrested deserve more support than the "successful" LEOs that put them there. And believe me, cops get paid well enough.


I broke the law in that state, so yeah, I went to jail.  But, the same situation in Ohio, where I now live, would have worked out to no jail time, and a Max fine of $150.  You are absolutely right.. unjustly fined.
 
2013-11-30 07:57:46 AM

hardinparamedic: foxyshadis: [fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 458x584]

Poster child #1 of the "You're not helping!" camp. This is what stoners actually believe.

/Fortunately, not every toker is so infatuated with their escape of choice.
//Still safer than alcohol.

UH...



Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.


While you're doing that, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshiat on the non-addictive and anti-depressive properties of marijuana. Damn, that's a shiatty looking infographic now.
 
2013-11-30 08:00:34 AM
So, we're at a Pot versus Alcohol versus Pills thread?

/grabbing popcorn and a beer.
 
2013-11-30 08:01:30 AM

Jesus Farking Christ: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Why couldn't it have been Flo?

I'd hit it like the fist of an angry God.

And I have no idea why.  I just think she'd be a great lay.


If by "hit it" you mean with your truck, then I applaud your statement.  That biatch takes fugly to new levels. Just thinking about her has the same effect as an ice water plunge.  She could give a horny sailor an "inny."  She could be the poster girl for the abstinence movement.
 
2013-11-30 08:01:40 AM

hardinparamedic: UH...

[phillbarron.files.wordpress.com image 400x250]

Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.


It's a WONDERFULLY effective pallative against the horrifying side effects of chemotherapy. That's a far cry from curing cancer, obviously.

Non-addictive and No OD were the other stats I took issue with. I've met plenty of potheads who had to have their toke every few hours, and went paranoid and stressed out when they had to go clean for a week. I've personally OD'd on pot -- OD is not the same as LD50. A sativa OD will give you a very, very bad high.

Along with marijuana being a "non-depressant"; biologically, they're both nervous system depressants, while emotionally, they both make people happy and talkative far more than they make anyone sad.
 
2013-11-30 08:02:13 AM

SJKebab: hardinparamedic: foxyshadis: [fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 458x584]

Poster child #1 of the "You're not helping!" camp. This is what stoners actually believe.

/Fortunately, not every toker is so infatuated with their escape of choice.
//Still safer than alcohol.

UH...

Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.

While you're doing that, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshiat on the non-addictive and anti-depressive properties of marijuana. Damn, that's a shiatty looking infographic now.


Lots of anecdotal animus in this thread, I see.

It's pretty obvious who here has actually seen drug addiction vs. who here has seen a few stoners get pissy about running out of weed and getting a little "down" or "angry".

Hint: The same reaction as when gamers don't get the latest and greatest, or when fatties don't have enough money for a burger. Definitely way less angry than caffeine addicts (suffering a headache because they haven't gotten their morning dose) stuck in the line at Timmies (or Dunkin, or whatever).
 
2013-11-30 08:03:20 AM
Psssst!  Hey Buddy - you want to buy some reefer?

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-11-30 08:03:28 AM

foxyshadis: hardinparamedic: UH...

[phillbarron.files.wordpress.com image 400x250]

Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.

It's a WONDERFULLY effective pallative against the horrifying side effects of chemotherapy. That's a far cry from curing cancer, obviously.

Non-addictive and No OD were the other stats I took issue with. I've met plenty of potheads who had to have their toke every few hours, and went paranoid and stressed out when they had to go clean for a week. I've personally OD'd on pot -- OD is not the same as LD50. A sativa OD will give you a very, very bad high.

Along with marijuana being a "non-depressant"; biologically, they're both nervous system depressants, while emotionally, they both make people happy and talkative far more than they make anyone sad.


It's also pretty good at killing cancerous cells. It may not represent anything like a cure, but it's more than just a "hey, it lets you eat". It likely helps in additional ways -- studies keep popping up reinforcing this. You may want to re-review the current science.
 
2013-11-30 08:04:19 AM

RockofAges: foxyshadis: hardinparamedic: UH...

[phillbarron.files.wordpress.com image 400x250]

Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.

It's a WONDERFULLY effective pallative against the horrifying side effects of chemotherapy. That's a far cry from curing cancer, obviously.

Non-addictive and No OD were the other stats I took issue with. I've met plenty of potheads who had to have their toke every few hours, and went paranoid and stressed out when they had to go clean for a week. I've personally OD'd on pot -- OD is not the same as LD50. A sativa OD will give you a very, very bad high.

Along with marijuana being a "non-depressant"; biologically, they're both nervous system depressants, while emotionally, they both make people happy and talkative far more than they make anyone sad.

It's also pretty good at killing cancerous cells. It may not represent anything like a cure, but it's more than just a "hey, it lets you eat". It likely helps in additional ways -- studies keep popping up reinforcing this. You may want to re-review the current science.


PRE-cancerous, primarily, with some effect on cancerous, to qualify.
 
2013-11-30 08:04:53 AM
"George Zimmer of Men's Warehouse." Do they carry guns now? Had to say it. And if we are doing fundraisers, I've been ran out of a career by the cops in 2008 and lost everything I had over them blackmailing my boss because one didn't like me. I'm still poor and live in a 70s dodge RV but hey, at least I moved TO Colorado, where I wont get arrested for a gram of weed. You didn't have to leave because Estes Park flooded, there's motorhomes all over craigslist and lots for like $450. I love this state and will never leave unless you know I have to flee the country or something.
 
2013-11-30 08:06:02 AM

foxyshadis: hardinparamedic: UH...

[phillbarron.files.wordpress.com image 400x250]

Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.

It's a WONDERFULLY effective pallative against the horrifying side effects of chemotherapy. That's a far cry from curing cancer, obviously.

Non-addictive and No OD were the other stats I took issue with. I've met plenty of potheads who had to have their toke every few hours, and went paranoid and stressed out when they had to go clean for a week. I've personally OD'd on pot -- OD is not the same as LD50. A sativa OD will give you a very, very bad high.

Along with marijuana being a "non-depressant"; biologically, they're both nervous system depressants, while emotionally, they both make people happy and talkative far more than they make anyone sad.


LOL NOW you're claiming that it's worse to get extremely HIGH on weed than on ACID?????

To the point where you claim to have "OD'd" on pot?

You're an enormous poseur and nothing you claim ITT has any relevance to me moving forward.

/first huge belly laugh of the day.
 
2013-11-30 08:07:14 AM

RockofAges: foxyshadis: hardinparamedic: UH...

[phillbarron.files.wordpress.com image 400x250]

Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.

It's a WONDERFULLY effective pallative against the horrifying side effects of chemotherapy. That's a far cry from curing cancer, obviously.

Non-addictive and No OD were the other stats I took issue with. I've met plenty of potheads who had to have their toke every few hours, and went paranoid and stressed out when they had to go clean for a week. I've personally OD'd on pot -- OD is not the same as LD50. A sativa OD will give you a very, very bad high.

Along with marijuana being a "non-depressant"; biologically, they're both nervous system depressants, while emotionally, they both make people happy and talkative far more than they make anyone sad.

LOL NOW you're claiming that it's worse to get extremely HIGH on weed than on ACID?????

To the point where you claim to have "OD'd" on pot?

You're an enormous poseur and nothing you claim ITT has any relevance to me moving forward.

/first huge belly laugh of the day.


sorry, LD50 -> LSD on this cheap tablet. My mistake here. Surprisingly, I'm 100% sober for this boo boo!
 
2013-11-30 08:09:21 AM
"My mistake here. Surprisingly, I'm 100% sober for this boo boo!"

Oh, I doubt that. And if so, therein lies your problem.
 
2013-11-30 08:10:37 AM

RockofAges: SJKebab: hardinparamedic: foxyshadis: [fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 458x584]

Poster child #1 of the "You're not helping!" camp. This is what stoners actually believe.

/Fortunately, not every toker is so infatuated with their escape of choice.
//Still safer than alcohol.

UH...

Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.

While you're doing that, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshiat on the non-addictive and anti-depressive properties of marijuana. Damn, that's a shiatty looking infographic now.

Lots of anecdotal animus in this thread, I see.

It's pretty obvious who here has actually seen drug addiction vs. who here has seen a few stoners get pissy about running out of weed and getting a little "down" or "angry".

Hint: The same reaction as when gamers don't get the latest and greatest, or when fatties don't have enough money for a burger. Definitely way less angry than caffeine addicts (suffering a headache because they haven't gotten their morning dose) stuck in the line at Timmies (or Dunkin, or whatever).


It's not a potentially lethal withdrawal like heroin or alcohol, but there is a real addiction there. Don't call it non-addictive. In return, I won't call bullshiat.
 
2013-11-30 08:11:35 AM

RockofAges: RockofAges: foxyshadis: hardinparamedic: UH...

[phillbarron.files.wordpress.com image 400x250]

Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.

It's a WONDERFULLY effective pallative against the horrifying side effects of chemotherapy. That's a far cry from curing cancer, obviously.

Non-addictive and No OD were the other stats I took issue with. I've met plenty of potheads who had to have their toke every few hours, and went paranoid and stressed out when they had to go clean for a week. I've personally OD'd on pot -- OD is not the same as LD50. A sativa OD will give you a very, very bad high.

Along with marijuana being a "non-depressant"; biologically, they're both nervous system depressants, while emotionally, they both make people happy and talkative far more than they make anyone sad.

LOL NOW you're claiming that it's worse to get extremely HIGH on weed than on ACID?????

To the point where you claim to have "OD'd" on pot?

You're an enormous poseur and nothing you claim ITT has any relevance to me moving forward.

/first huge belly laugh of the day.

sorry, LD50 -> LSD on this cheap tablet. My mistake here. Surprisingly, I'm 100% sober for this boo boo!


A) Many people self-medicate for a slew of mental health issues with cannabis. It usually works fairly well (much better than pills), but when it's gone, it's gone. Obviously anxiety results. Given that I would argue that most of your citizen ARE encountering mental health issues (from anxiety to depression to firmer territory), this is not surprising. People also use alcohol, prescription pills, etc, but cannabis is the safest and most popular of the "street" drugs used for this purpose. Your friends are likely people who suffer neurosis of some sort. Just like most people.

B) Ever see a person go without coffee if they are a religious drinker of the stuff? Physical dependency symptoms, acute and long lasting. It could take months for the headaches from withdrawal to stop.
 
2013-11-30 08:11:56 AM
So wait, fark loves insurance executives now if they support reefer?
 
2013-11-30 08:12:10 AM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: "My mistake here. Surprisingly, I'm 100% sober for this boo boo!"

Oh, I doubt that. And if so, therein lies your problem.


LOL, it's 9:11, I just woke up about 45 mins ago, and I go to work in 30.

Swing and a miss.
 
2013-11-30 08:14:41 AM

SJKebab: RockofAges: SJKebab: hardinparamedic: foxyshadis: [fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 458x584]

Poster child #1 of the "You're not helping!" camp. This is what stoners actually believe.

/Fortunately, not every toker is so infatuated with their escape of choice.
//Still safer than alcohol.

UH...

Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.

While you're doing that, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshiat on the non-addictive and anti-depressive properties of marijuana. Damn, that's a shiatty looking infographic now.

Lots of anecdotal animus in this thread, I see.

It's pretty obvious who here has actually seen drug addiction vs. who here has seen a few stoners get pissy about running out of weed and getting a little "down" or "angry".

Hint: The same reaction as when gamers don't get the latest and greatest, or when fatties don't have enough money for a burger. Definitely way less angry than caffeine addicts (suffering a headache because they haven't gotten their morning dose) stuck in the line at Timmies (or Dunkin, or whatever).

It's not a potentially lethal withdrawal like heroin or alcohol, but there is a real addiction there. Don't call it non-addictive. In return, I won't call bullshiat.


I don't care what you call, because I have much more research (empirical and academic) under my belt on this subject. Any substance CAN be addictive, on a continuum. Sugar is extremely addictive. Look around you at your nation of fatasses sometime. More people are addicted to fast food and coffee than cannabis, and it's unhealthier by far than cannabis.

It's just that weed gets singled out because of ignorance, moralism, and contemporary sensationalism. So yes, it can be psychologically addictive, the same as sex, or any personal compulsion really. You obviously have never seen addiction if you think this qualifies as a "serious case".
 
2013-11-30 08:20:56 AM

RockofAges: sorry, LD50 -> LSD on this cheap tablet. My mistake here. Surprisingly, I'm 100% sober for this boo boo!


No worries. I had enough after one bad night that I was up all night, unable to remember who I was or retain short-term memories for about 3-4 hours. I was both intensely paranoid and certain I was dying or completely insane, despite being in bed with my girlfriend in about the safest possible place I could be. At one point I was sure that if I didn't keep consciously breathing my lungs would collapse and I'd be a goner. Hallucinations did occur for a short time, but strictly of the geometrical pattern variety, almost certainly due to increased sensitivity to aqueous humour movements. This was straight sativa, nothing else.

It's not a life-threatening OD at all, but I'd still call that an OD. It farked with me in a way that I didn't light up for a year after that. My GF was just pissed because she had to wake up early for work the next day.
 
2013-11-30 08:23:52 AM

RockofAges: SJKebab: RockofAges: SJKebab: hardinparamedic: foxyshadis: [fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 458x584]

Poster child #1 of the "You're not helping!" camp. This is what stoners actually believe.

/Fortunately, not every toker is so infatuated with their escape of choice.
//Still safer than alcohol.

UH...

Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.

While you're doing that, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshiat on the non-addictive and anti-depressive properties of marijuana. Damn, that's a shiatty looking infographic now.

Lots of anecdotal animus in this thread, I see.

It's pretty obvious who here has actually seen drug addiction vs. who here has seen a few stoners get pissy about running out of weed and getting a little "down" or "angry".

Hint: The same reaction as when gamers don't get the latest and greatest, or when fatties don't have enough money for a burger. Definitely way less angry than caffeine addicts (suffering a headache because they haven't gotten their morning dose) stuck in the line at Timmies (or Dunkin, or whatever).

It's not a potentially lethal withdrawal like heroin or alcohol, but there is a real addiction there. Don't call it non-addictive. In return, I won't call bullshiat.

I don't care what you call, because I have much more research (empirical and academic) under my belt on this subject. Any substance CAN be addictive, on a continuum. Sugar is extremely addictive. Look around you at your nation of fatasses sometime. More people are addicted to fast food and coffee than cannabis, and it's unhealthier by far than cannabis.

It's just that weed gets singled out because of ignorance, moralism, and contemporary sensationalism. So yes, it can be psychologically addictive, the same as sex, or any personal compulsion really. You obviously have never seen addiction if you think this qualifies as a "serious case".


You've shifted the goalposts sunshine. I never said anything about "serious cases". I took issue with marijuana being labelled as "non-addictive".

/I wish I could just quote the relevant part of the post rather than quoting everything while using my mobile phone.
 
2013-11-30 08:24:37 AM

foxyshadis: RockofAges: sorry, LD50 -> LSD on this cheap tablet. My mistake here. Surprisingly, I'm 100% sober for this boo boo!

No worries. I had enough after one bad night that I was up all night, unable to remember who I was or retain short-term memories for about 3-4 hours. I was both intensely paranoid and certain I was dying or completely insane, despite being in bed with my girlfriend in about the safest possible place I could be. At one point I was sure that if I didn't keep consciously breathing my lungs would collapse and I'd be a goner. Hallucinations did occur for a short time, but strictly of the geometrical pattern variety, almost certainly due to increased sensitivity to aqueous humour movements. This was straight sativa, nothing else.

It's not a life-threatening OD at all, but I'd still call that an OD. It farked with me in a way that I didn't light up for a year after that. My GF was just pissed because she had to wake up early for work the next day.


Some people shouldn't smoke, or at least, should be much more cautious about it. Heck, nobody advocates that everyone enjoy cannabis. Some people just shouldn't do it.

I guess I'm not trying to be negative about this but really, this sounds tamer than most people's heavy drunks / hangovers -- mostly personal paranoia and anxiety but no real danger. Maybe recreational drugs are just too intense for you personally?
 
2013-11-30 08:28:16 AM

SJKebab: RockofAges: SJKebab: RockofAges: SJKebab: hardinparamedic: foxyshadis: [fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net image 458x584]

Poster child #1 of the "You're not helping!" camp. This is what stoners actually believe.

/Fortunately, not every toker is so infatuated with their escape of choice.
//Still safer than alcohol.

UH...

Marijuana does not cure cancer. Highly purified, cannibidol-derived compounds have shown in-vitro efficacy in a lab setting against solid tumor cell cultures, but calling it a cancer "cure" is highly misleading, and dangerous - bordering on promoting false hope.

Also, I'm going to call [Citation Needed] On the "growing brain cells" bit.

While you're doing that, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshiat on the non-addictive and anti-depressive properties of marijuana. Damn, that's a shiatty looking infographic now.

Lots of anecdotal animus in this thread, I see.

It's pretty obvious who here has actually seen drug addiction vs. who here has seen a few stoners get pissy about running out of weed and getting a little "down" or "angry".

Hint: The same reaction as when gamers don't get the latest and greatest, or when fatties don't have enough money for a burger. Definitely way less angry than caffeine addicts (suffering a headache because they haven't gotten their morning dose) stuck in the line at Timmies (or Dunkin, or whatever).

It's not a potentially lethal withdrawal like heroin or alcohol, but there is a real addiction there. Don't call it non-addictive. In return, I won't call bullshiat.

I don't care what you call, because I have much more research (empirical and academic) under my belt on this subject. Any substance CAN be addictive, on a continuum. Sugar is extremely addictive. Look around you at your nation of fatasses sometime. More people are addicted to fast food and coffee than cannabis, and it's unhealthier by far than cannabis.

It's just that weed gets singled out because of ignorance, moralism, and contemporary sensationalism. So yes, ...


Everything is addictive. Therefor I could never, under your understanding of addiction, name something that isn't addictive (gross stuff like brussel sprouts? Some people probably are addicted to them, I guess... not fair of me to judge...).

When we speak of addiction, we actually generally speak (medically) of physical addiction or, in other words, dependency.

Cannabis has a very low propensity for addiction, because it is NOT physically addictive (like alcohol, or caffeine even) -- however, because it alleviates many symptoms that make people "feel bad" (nausea, anxiety, depression, headaches, any pain at all really) it is a VERY common (and cheap) regime to treat these symptoms. However, like any other bandage applied to a deeper problem, it is only a symptom-reliever and not a cure for these issues. That takes time, and sometimes, expertise.

I was merely pointing out how cherry-picked your interpretations are.
 
2013-11-30 08:29:24 AM

RockofAges: A) Many people self-medicate for a slew of mental health issues with cannabis. It usually works fairly well (much better than pills), but when it's gone, it's gone. Obviously anxiety results. Given that I would argue that most of your citizen ARE encountering mental health issues (from anxiety to depression to firmer territory), this is not surprising. People also use alcohol, prescription pills, etc, but cannabis is the safest and most popular of the "street" drugs used for this purpose. Your friends are likely people who suffer neurosis of some sort. Just like most people.


As a serious undiagnosed alcoholic, like most of Fark, I understand completely. I don't look down on addicts. But it is what it is, weed is still an addictive drug because it makes you feel much better when you're on it than when you're not, and lots of people use it as their crutch to keep from facing their demons sober. Addiction is when someone's panicky and desperate to keep from losing their supply.

Alcohol, caffeine, heroin, cocaine, and meth just double down on that by farking you up so much worse than you were before you started. They're basically addictive and abusive.

If you have a choice, vaporize weed or munch edibles, don't start drinking hard. It doesn't end well. Weed has a much gentler detox.
 
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