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2013-11-29 01:15:37 PM
Publish or perish, for realz biatchez.
 
2013-11-29 01:17:34 PM
This explains so much.
 
2013-11-29 01:21:52 PM
FTA: "So what you have is an increasing number of brilliant Ph.D. graduates arriving every year into the market hoping to secure a permanent position as a professor and enjoying freedom and high salaries, a bit like the rank-and-file drug dealer hoping to become a drug lord,"

Yeah, you have the freedom to choose WHICH hundred hours a week you work...
So the salary per hour works out to a bit below minimum wage.
And no, we don't get summers off!

The person who wrote this article might know something about drug cartels, but clearly has yet to score one of those "insider" academic positions.
 
2013-11-29 01:22:26 PM
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2013-11-29 01:22:47 PM
Tenure is bullshiat in the first place.
 
2013-11-29 01:25:25 PM
"secure a permanent position as a professor and enjoying freedom and high salaries "


heh
 
2013-11-29 01:26:02 PM

CruJones: Tenure is bullshiat in the first place.


I never had a problem with it.  At least someone has a little job security.    All the traditional jobs with job security were union and those are all ending.  Before long no one will have any security in income except those who are already wealthy enough not to care.
 
2013-11-29 01:27:16 PM
Freakanomics FTW
 
2013-11-29 01:27:58 PM
And the tenure system rewards mediocrity in many fields where research success is more subjective. As Kuhn wrote, cutting edge research gets slapped down by the older guardians.
 
2013-11-29 01:30:54 PM

rev. dave: CruJones: Tenure is bullshiat in the first place.

I never had a problem with it.  At least someone has a little job security.    All the traditional jobs with job security were union and those are all ending.  Before long no one will have any security in income except those who are already wealthy enough not to care.


There's also a very real issue of intellectual freedom. Right, Doctor Rice?

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Hot like a gap-toothed,  MILFY, classically trained pianist.
 
2013-11-29 01:31:46 PM
FTA: the prospect of future wealth
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2013-11-29 01:33:31 PM
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2013-11-29 01:35:36 PM

CruJones: Tenure is bullshiat in the first place.


The new dean should be allowed to fire me because I won't teach creationism in my intro course.
 
2013-11-29 01:37:24 PM
This just needs to be settled Thunderdome style...
 
2013-11-29 01:47:01 PM

FloydA: CruJones: Tenure is bullshiat in the first place.

The new dean should be allowed to fire me because I won't teach creationism in my intro course.


....how did creationism end up in college level academics? Same way it happened in public school systems?

That is honestly scary
 
2013-11-29 01:48:01 PM

FloydA: CruJones: Tenure is bullshiat in the first place.

The new dean should be allowed to fire me because I won't teach creationism in my intro course.


Absolutely. After all, the students are paying a lot of money for an education, and we wouldn't want to offend their religious beliefs.

Or those of their parents.
 
2013-11-29 01:48:43 PM
Wow, professionals are fighting over ever-more-dwindling supply of high paying jobs? Color me unsurprised, because, you know, that's what the wealth gap is all about. Where has this author been for the last 20 years, in a tenured job?
 
2013-11-29 01:51:28 PM

Coastalgrl: FloydA: CruJones: Tenure is bullshiat in the first place.

The new dean should be allowed to fire me because I won't teach creationism in my intro course.

....how did creationism end up in college level academics? Same way it happened in public school systems?

That is honestly scary


My high school bio textbook had a chapter on creationism.

Teacher covered it in about five minutes and we moved on.

Key points:

God coulda done it.
Nobody was there watching.

The rest is junk science and speculation. I read the chapter, and even 14-year-old me could spot the weasel words and doublespeak.

That was the class where I got to light shiat on fire. It was supposedly to measure calorie energy, but... Fire.
 
2013-11-29 01:54:33 PM

Satanic panic in the attic: This just needs to be settled Thunderdome style...


It's been done..."Boxing Tonight" - Jack Bodell v. Sir Kenneth Clark
 
2013-11-29 01:56:23 PM

Coastalgrl: FloydA: CruJones: Tenure is bullshiat in the first place.

The new dean should be allowed to fire me because I won't teach creationism in my intro course.

....how did creationism end up in college level academics? Same way it happened in public school systems?

That is honestly scary



It's not really happening, but if tenure is removed and it becomes easy to fire prof's for no reason, it could.

Any time anyone says "tenure is BS," they are implicitly arguing that administrators should be allowed to fire professors for political, religious, or personal reasons.
 
2013-11-29 02:02:04 PM
If you see somebody driving with their lights on, don't flash your own lights at them because they may be academic gang members. If you respond, they'll run you off of the road and bore you to death with their thesis.
 
2013-11-29 02:09:49 PM
i hate religion

FloydA: The new dean should be allowed to fire me because I won't teach creationism in my intro course.


Coastalgrl: ....how did creationism end up in college level academics? Same way it happened in public school systems?

That is honestly scary


FloydA: It's not really happening


LULZ, I wish the people that you trolled were smart enough to see the humor in your trolling

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2013-11-29 02:11:23 PM
Universities are generally run as corporations, but they're corporations who are forced to hire people who generally hate corporations. Consequently, they do what they can to keep the academics fighting amongst themselves.

This isn't the biggest thing that's wrong with academia, but it's up there. And if you don't believe it's true, you don't know any college presidents.
 
2013-11-29 02:14:15 PM
It's not a gang, it's a club!
 
2013-11-29 02:14:41 PM

FloydA: Coastalgrl: FloydA: CruJones: Tenure is bullshiat in the first place.

The new dean should be allowed to fire me because I won't teach creationism in my intro course.

....how did creationism end up in college level academics? Same way it happened in public school systems?

That is honestly scary


It's not really happening, but if tenure is removed and it becomes easy to fire prof's for no reason, it could.

Any time anyone says "tenure is BS," they are implicitly arguing that administrators should be allowed to fire professors for political, religious, or personal reasons.


Depends. If creationism wanted to get into college level instruction it would have to be written into the accreditation system.

The tenure system goes both ways as most things do in life. At my undergrad university, the administrators tried firing this one professor for 15 years before they could finally get him on something they could fire him for. The prof was an ass. He hated women with a passion and routinely gave all the women D's in his class (myself included), refused to provide any help at all to women and told me in no uncertain terms that I should quit school and my place was in the home. Now I was not an A student in the class but I never had a chance to be. When I had my exit interview with the dean (standard procedure a year before graduation, make sure there are no issues, missing forms etc) the dean asked me what had happened. I calmly explained the situation that no matter what I did, I got 0's on all the exams. The dean then asked, what grade would you like? Grade was changed to something reasonable. I dont know what they were able to fire him on but it was kept very quiet.

On the flip side, the university Im at now does not have tenure and all professors are on 3 or 5 year contracts. However, they rarely fire professors. Where tenure is useful, the Dept recently had a student who's parent's were helicopter parents (yes its at college now). The family is now suing the school because Department wouldn't let the precious snowflake skip courses she wasn't interested in and still graduate with an engineering degree. Accreditation for engineering is there for a reason. With tenure, it would protect the professors from this nut job and her parents.

I am working on a PhD and plan to return to industry after Im finished. I have no interest in academia at this time.
 
2013-11-29 02:17:16 PM

Satanic panic in the attic: This just needs to be settled Thunderdome style...


We don't need another tutor.
 
2013-11-29 02:22:19 PM

DubtodaIll: Publish or perish, for realz biatchez.


We got something similar at my job. It is called "Do your job or get fired."
 
2013-11-29 02:25:10 PM
So, if you are a teacher at a smaller charter school, the teachers from a larger institution will move in to the charter school, execute you, your parents, children, siblings, cousins, second cousins, and anybody they meet with your last name (Just in case they missed any), and put the videos of you begging for life on YouTube? Or, does that only happen at the University level?
 
2013-11-29 02:31:47 PM
A better comparison would be commuter airlines and pilots who spend scores of thousands to take a job that starts at less than $20K a year.

In my fifth year at Mesa Airlines (as a Captain), I raked in an amazing $27K. Of course the dream requires one to to leave for a major airline - a jump fewer get to make each year.But plenty come in to work cheap hoping for big bucks eventually.
 
2013-11-29 02:33:32 PM

DubtodaIll: Publish or perish, for realz biatchez.


Most just publish to keep their jobs. Hence a lot of the shiat I see getting published is mostly worthless analysis on subject matter that is of little value to the world, but it sure does have some impressive nomenclature.
 
2013-11-29 02:40:28 PM
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1. Academia
3. I used to be tenure-track like you, but then I took a pencil in the arm.
7. I've got writer's cramp
10. I would have had that finger looked at, but I don't get benefits
11. No I will not re-grade your paper
12. Put away the smartphone and pay attention to the lecture
13. Adjunct fo life
 
2013-11-29 02:47:01 PM
Our president is letting tenured professors retire while not replacing them with new tenures.

Say what you want about tenure being BS, but it is beneficial for a great mind to be able to teach and say what they want to without fear of being fired for not going with the status quo or being stuck to teaching a certain curriculum to a tee without fear of being ousted. Without tenure, universities would offer little more than a vocational school with a typical high school cookie-cutter education.

For someone like myself, the university experience was multitudes better than public high-school was in almost every facet, and I am grateful of the experiences I have had (and continue to have) in higher education, especially with professors that would likely be fired for some of the things they do and say if it weren't for the protections their tenure offers.  They actually give a fark, they actually teach you something, and they USUALLY are not on an indoctrination agenda.
 
2013-11-29 02:47:45 PM
This article applies to any profession where the people at the top hang on too long while depending on the "support staff" to continue to prop them up (and the support staff do it cause they hope they'll be the one at the top soon). Sure the tenured people used to publish and do the research (years ago), now others do the work while they sign off on it and take credit... the reason it is allowed to go on is because the support staff hope to be the lucky dog to get promoted somewhere down the line, but the job is probably going to the university president's kid instead.
 
2013-11-29 02:56:45 PM

Coastalgrl: FloydA: Coastalgrl: FloydA: CruJones: Tenure is bullshiat in the first place.

The new dean should be allowed to fire me because I won't teach creationism in my intro course.

....how did creationism end up in college level academics? Same way it happened in public school systems?

That is honestly scary


It's not really happening, but if tenure is removed and it becomes easy to fire prof's for no reason, it could.

Any time anyone says "tenure is BS," they are implicitly arguing that administrators should be allowed to fire professors for political, religious, or personal reasons.

Depends. If creationism wanted to get into college level instruction it would have to be written into the accreditation system.

The tenure system goes both ways as most things do in life. At my undergrad university, the administrators tried firing this one professor for 15 years before they could finally get him on something they could fire him for. The prof was an ass. He hated women with a passion and routinely gave all the women D's in his class (myself included), refused to provide any help at all to women and told me in no uncertain terms that I should quit school and my place was in the home. Now I was not an A student in the class but I never had a chance to be. When I had my exit interview with the dean (standard procedure a year before graduation, make sure there are no issues, missing forms etc) the dean asked me what had happened. I calmly explained the situation that no matter what I did, I got 0's on all the exams. The dean then asked, what grade would you like? Grade was changed to something reasonable. I dont know what they were able to fire him on but it was kept very quiet.

On the flip side, the university Im at now does not have tenure and all professors are on 3 or 5 year contracts. However, they rarely fire professors. Where tenure is useful, the Dept recently had a student who's parent's were helicopter parents (yes its at college now). The family is now suing the ...


Actually, in the situation you mentioned, the accreditation board is the protection.  If they hand out degrees like a diploma mill, sooner or later the accreditation board pulls their ticket which is essentially revoking their license to teach since a degree from an un-accredited school isn't worth jack squat.  So it's in the administration's interest to tell a few parents to fark off when they made absurd demands.  Better to have one kid withdraw than face the consequences.
 
2013-11-29 02:58:12 PM
The academic job market is tough. I'm currently on the market now, but I'm cautiously optimistic because I've published published published while getting my PhD. I see other people in my program with CVs as long as napkins. They'll never be employed. Well, maybe as an adjunct 4 life.
 
2013-11-29 02:58:13 PM

Satanic panic in the attic: This just needs to be settled Thunderdome style...


"I was in the small cage awaiting the announcement of my round 3 opponent for the final tenure-track position in existence on the East Coast. My luck up until that point had been holding out. Round 1 was a Russian Lit PhD from Berkeley. It was almost a joke: The bell sounded. He went for the collected works of Tolstoy hanging on the wall, I went for the high molar Sodium Hydroxide. I'm still not certain whether there was any irony in beating someone to death with Tolstoy after I blinded him, but I'm sure he knew at the time. Round 2 was a bit trickier: Chinese Molecular Biologist. Desperately quick, she managed to lodge a handful of micro-pipette tips in me before I got the Class IV laser working. The announcer's voice rang out: 'Medieval Studies Post-Doc' shiat, I thought, If there was anyone who is enjoying this, it'd be them. I just hoped they spent more time translating tapestries than dueling at renaissance fairs."
 
2013-11-29 03:05:45 PM
Seems like the natural result of giving any idiot who passed high school an endless supply of government guaranteed loans so they can spend their time getting drunk, playing video games, and occasionally going to class.
 
2013-11-29 03:11:50 PM

office_despot: FTA: "So what you have is an increasing number of brilliant Ph.D. graduates arriving every year into the market hoping to secure a permanent position as a professor and enjoying freedom and high salaries, a bit like the rank-and-file drug dealer hoping to become a drug lord,"

Yeah, you have the freedom to choose WHICH hundred hours a week you work...
So the salary per hour works out to a bit below minimum wage.
And no, we don't get summers off!

The person who wrote this article might know something about drug cartels, but clearly has yet to score one of those "insider" academic positions.


I assume they mean academic freedom.

/OTOH my grad advisor only shows up 3 days a week max
 
2013-11-29 03:13:34 PM

kliq: The academic job market is tough. I'm currently on the market now, but I'm cautiously optimistic because I've published published published while getting my PhD. I see other people in my program with CVs as long as napkins. They'll never be employed. Well, maybe as an adjunct 4 life.


Unfortunately, the number of papers you need to publish to get tenure is n + 1, where n is the number of papers you published.
 
2013-11-29 03:45:31 PM
Was the Obvious tag blowing guys for coke and a degree?
 
2013-11-29 04:02:13 PM
So having tenure gives you freedom? Hmmm, how do get tenure? Do you just waltz in and get it? No, you've got to get indoctrinated into the culture and drink their koolaid until they are satisfied you are one of them, one of them, one of them. If you don't conform, contract not renewed. And don't you dare try to change anything about what's required for tenure, or they will yell, scream, jump up on chairs and pound shoes on the table. (I have seen this with my own eyes.)

As for all the "brilliant" PhDs the article talks about, the brilliance can tend to fade quickly as soon as get away from their thesis topic.
 
DVD
2013-11-29 04:04:20 PM

Coastalgrl: FloydA: Coastalgrl: FloydA: CruJones: Tenure is bullshiat in the first place.

The new dean should be allowed to fire me because I won't teach creationism in my intro course.

....how did creationism end up in college level academics? Same way it happened in public school systems?

That is honestly scary


It's not really happening, but if tenure is removed and it becomes easy to fire prof's for no reason, it could.

Any time anyone says "tenure is BS," they are implicitly arguing that administrators should be allowed to fire professors for political, religious, or personal reasons.

Depends. If creationism wanted to get into college level instruction it would have to be written into the accreditation system.

The tenure system goes both ways as most things do in life. At my undergrad university, the administrators tried firing this one professor for 15 years before they could finally get him on something they could fire him for. The prof was an ass. He hated women with a passion and routinely gave all the women D's in his class (myself included), refused to provide any help at all to women and told me in no uncertain terms that I should quit school and my place was in the home. Now I was not an A student in the class but I never had a chance to be. When I had my exit interview with the dean (standard procedure a year before graduation, make sure there are no issues, missing forms etc) the dean asked me what had happened. I calmly explained the situation that no matter what I did, I got 0's on all the exams. The dean then asked, what grade would you like? Grade was changed to something reasonable. I dont know what they were able to fire him on but it was kept very quiet.

On the flip side, the university Im at now does not have tenure and all professors are on 3 or 5 year contracts. However, they rarely fire professors. Where tenure is useful, the Dept recently had a student who's parent's were helicopter parents (yes its at college now). The family is now suing the ...


"On the flip side, the university Im at now does not have tenure and all professors are on 3 or 5 year contracts. However, they rarely fire professors. Where tenure is useful, the Dept recently had a student who's parent's were helicopter parents (yes its at college now). The family is now suing the school because Department wouldn't let the precious snowflake skip courses she wasn't interested in and still graduate with an engineering degree. Accreditation for engineering is there for a reason. With tenure, it would protect the professors from this nut job and her parents.

I am working on a PhD and plan to return to industry after Im finished. I have no interest in academia at this time. "


Copy-pasta, sorry, but that does bring out why tenure serves as an incentive, as a shield from political influence so that the professor will actually teach rather than constantly having to look for favors.
 
2013-11-29 04:41:17 PM
I'm an adjunct working on getting a PhD. I'm optimistic because I seem to do things if value to the current Dean and school way. But I don't kid myself, I'm worried sick all the time about job security. Especially as I am chronically disabled, and my prospects for other work are so limited I have a  pension waiting for me, as I am that bad. I can't bear going back to that, I live what I do, both teaching and research. I know I'm lucky to have gotten this far but I am genuinely terrified...
 
2013-11-29 04:45:53 PM
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2013-11-29 04:46:22 PM
One of the biggest problems in academia is that it rewards specialization. This leads to people who may be very well-informed on one tiny subject, but completely ignorant of most everything else.
 
2013-11-29 04:49:18 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-29 04:50:26 PM

DrunkWithImpotence: Coastalgrl: FloydA:

Actually, in the situation you mentioned, the accreditation board is the protection. If they hand out degrees like a diploma mill, sooner or later the accreditation board pulls their ticket which is essentially revoking their license to teach since a degree from an un-accredited school isn't worth jack squat. So it's in the administration's interest to tell a few parents to fark off when they made absurd demands. Better to have one kid withdraw than face the consequences..


Indeed. I was trying to go from the perspective of the creationists or whomever as to how to further their agenda...which is a scary notion itself.

In this situation, the department nicely said perhaps this isn't the place for you and the student withdrew. Now the student is suing for emotional damages/discrimination/.

What is a more disturbing trend at this school is the repeated passing of foreign students who obviously cheat and barely speak English. They get here by buying TOEFL scores and scream discrimination at every bad grade. The school wont do anything because most of these students have loads of money and that's how they pay the school's bills. So they pass the buck and go with the logic that they wont get anywhere because they don't have any real skills and they are most likely returning to their own country 9/10. What they don't realize is sending out kids with engineering degrees and no skills eventually impacts the school's reputation. None of them will pass the PE in this country but this pass the buck mentailty comes from HS and now its in college. Professors generally don't go after cheaters because they don't want to deal with it.

Note: If you are copying and pasting for your thesis, at least do a ctrl - A and change the fonts....yes he threatened legal action and eventually got a Masters in Engineering, no he wasn't an American. It took him over a year of fighting with the school.

As for PhDs, I recommend getting experience between degrees. Ive seen plenty of PhDs who went straight through not get a job for years because they don't have anything on the resume other than school jobs. I have 1.5 btwn BS and MS and then 4.5 btwn MS and PhD. I'm hoping that helps me later.
 
2013-11-29 04:51:20 PM

bighairyguy: you've got to get indoctrinated into the culture and drink their koolaid until they are satisfied you are one of them, one of them, one of them. If you don't conform, contract not renewed


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among other things
 
2013-11-29 04:54:50 PM
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2013-11-29 04:59:39 PM

Coastalgrl: ....how did creationism end up in college level academics? Same way it happened in public school systems?

That is honestly scary


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Coastalgrl: I was trying to go from the perspective of the creationists or whomever as to how to further their agenda...which is a scary notion itself.


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Creationism MADNESS scares me !111!!1111!!

you better be careful because it will come for your white women next, just like this^ poor victim  :O

/o noez
//O NOEESSS
 
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