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(Cincinnati Enquirer)   Ohio Democrat's gubernatorial candidate does the impossible: Makes Sarah Palin's selection as a running mate look well-vetted   (cincinnati.com) divider line 50
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2013-11-29 12:51:49 PM  
14 grand is fiscally responsible compared to a couple hundred grand?
 
2013-11-29 01:15:00 PM  

mediablitz: 14 grand is fiscally responsible compared to a couple hundred grand?


And being dumb as a farking rock?

Subby be trollin.
 
2013-11-29 01:37:16 PM  
To compare this to Palin is obviously stupid, but debt is a legitimate issue to be concerned about. Elected officials are routinely in the position to be bribed. Lots take that opportunity.
 
2013-11-29 01:44:45 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: To compare this to Palin is obviously stupid, but debt is a legitimate issue to be concerned about. Elected officials are routinely in the position to be bribed. Lots take that opportunity.


In Canada, credit issues can cost you your security clearance.  However, you don't need any security clearance to be elected to any office.  A fact that always disturbed me.
 
2013-11-29 01:46:07 PM  
CC debt?  Oh my...that makes Sarah Palin look like Winston Churchill
 
2013-11-29 02:04:04 PM  

mrshowrules: Three Crooked Squirrels: To compare this to Palin is obviously stupid, but debt is a legitimate issue to be concerned about. Elected officials are routinely in the position to be bribed. Lots take that opportunity.

In Canada, credit issues can cost you your security clearance.  However, you don't need any security clearance to be elected to any office.  A fact that always disturbed me.


forget credit, how about IQ tests ... common sense ... being able to pass a reading comprehension test ... being able to put a sentence together ... being able to admit that you dont know something ... that you were wrong about something
 
2013-11-29 02:25:23 PM  
It's not just the credit card settlement, it's the several hundred thousand dollars he owes in federal and state taxes.  That's not going to play well in Ohio among independent voters regardless of the cause.
 
2013-11-29 02:37:23 PM  

drewbob21: It's not just the credit card settlement, it's the several hundred thousand dollars he owes in federal and state taxes.  That's not going to play well in Ohio among independent voters regardless of the cause.


Well, it could conceivably play well among the "sovereign citizen" crowd if he spun it as deliberately objecting to those taxes instead of just skipping out on them. But I somehow don't think he's gonna try that one, quite aside from the fact that that's a tiny sliver of people in the first place.
 
2013-11-29 02:37:33 PM  
Seems as if he had debt mostly related to a failed family business and has made arrangements to pay and is currently paying it down. What is the problem with that?
 
2013-11-29 02:38:11 PM  

ongbok: Seems as if he had debt mostly related to a failed family business and has made arrangements to pay and is currently paying it down. What is the problem with that?


well you see,
 
2013-11-29 02:39:21 PM  
This is bad.  This does not compare to Sarah Palin.
 
2013-11-29 02:39:58 PM  

Jackson Herring: ongbok: Seems as if he had debt mostly related to a failed family business and has made arrangements to pay and is currently paying it down. What is the problem with that?

well you see,


Study it out
 
2013-11-29 02:40:01 PM  
Having a problem with credit card bills is nothing like the swirling vortex of batsh*t crazy and pure evil that is Sarah Palin, Subbo.
 
2013-11-29 02:42:34 PM  
Seems like he was well vetted to me.

Failing to notice that Palin was dumber than a bag of hammers was quite an oversight for someone who was to be 1 heartbeat from the nook-ya-lur codes.
 
2013-11-29 02:56:06 PM  
finally! proof that both sides are bad.

/but for whom should i vote?
 
2013-11-29 02:57:46 PM  

mrshowrules: Three Crooked Squirrels: To compare this to Palin is obviously stupid, but debt is a legitimate issue to be concerned about. Elected officials are routinely in the position to be bribed. Lots take that opportunity.

In Canada, credit issues can cost you your security clearance.  However, you don't need any security clearance to be elected to any office.  A fact that always disturbed me.


It's the same thing here. I think they like pulling security clearances for financial mismanagement. I saw someone lose their TS/SCI for not paying a $1200 debt for a store credit card.
 
2013-11-29 02:58:21 PM  
Democrat  Eric Kearney,who is Ohio Democratic Governor Candidate  Ed Fitzgerald's Lt. Governor pick, had credit card troubles in 2012

Well the nation as a whole has orders of magnitude more debt than that and no one seems to give a shiat.
 
2013-11-29 02:59:54 PM  
3% interest? Per month, or what?
 
2013-11-29 03:01:43 PM  
The voters likely have debt, do this is on politician that actually gets them.
 
2013-11-29 03:09:10 PM  
Palin was a worse choice.
 
2013-11-29 03:10:55 PM  
Can't this "issue" be dismissed with a "We get it...he's blah" or a "Your blog sucks"?
 
2013-11-29 03:14:49 PM  

dmaestaz: It's the same thing here. I think they like pulling security clearances for financial mismanagement. I saw someone lose their TS/SCI for not paying a $1200 debt for a store credit card.


You won't necessarily lose your clearance because of a debt.  Even a large one.  You will lose it for lying about it.  Then again - there are so many people with clearances today - its become almost meaningless.

/bad credit will also not get you hired at a lot of banks
 
2013-11-29 03:22:01 PM  

ongbok: Seems as if he had debt mostly related to a failed family business and has made arrangements to pay and is currently paying it down. What is the problem with that?


This.

The story lacks enough details to make an educated judgement. He could be a perfectly decent person in a bad situation, especially if the debts were created by a family member who is no longer responsible for them. But he might also be an unethical creep looking to benefit from public "service".
 
2013-11-29 03:23:50 PM  
So, stemming from the article, I can surmise that subby is hopelessly stupid and should be sterilized so that they cannot reproduce.
 
2013-11-29 03:34:08 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: To compare this to Palin is obviously stupid, but debt is a legitimate issue to be concerned about. Elected officials are routinely in the position to be bribed. Lots take that opportunity.


I'd also argue that if you can't manage your presonal finances, how well can you be expected to handle the public's?
 
2013-11-29 03:35:26 PM  
Kasich is such a dickwad that they really had to try to fark up the Democratic nominees.  And yet Ohio Dems somehow managed to do it.
 
2013-11-29 03:36:56 PM  

dmaestaz: mrshowrules: Three Crooked Squirrels: To compare this to Palin is obviously stupid, but debt is a legitimate issue to be concerned about. Elected officials are routinely in the position to be bribed. Lots take that opportunity.

In Canada, credit issues can cost you your security clearance.  However, you don't need any security clearance to be elected to any office.  A fact that always disturbed me.

It's the same thing here. I think they like pulling security clearances for financial mismanagement. I saw someone lose their TS/SCI for not paying a $1200 debt for a store credit card.


They can also pull it if you are secretly gay.  They don't mind if someone is gay but they want to make sure everyone knows it and it is not something people can use to blackmail you.
 
2013-11-29 03:37:37 PM  

dmaestaz: mrshowrules: Three Crooked Squirrels: To compare this to Palin is obviously stupid, but debt is a legitimate issue to be concerned about. Elected officials are routinely in the position to be bribed. Lots take that opportunity.

In Canada, credit issues can cost you your security clearance.  However, you don't need any security clearance to be elected to any office.  A fact that always disturbed me.

It's the same thing here. I think they like pulling security clearances for financial mismanagement. I saw someone lose their TS/SCI for not paying a $1200 debt for a store credit card.


That's kind of odd. I won't go into detail but I had a similar issue with my clearance and all I had to tell the investigator was, "If it turns out I owe the debt [I was in a dispute at the time], I'll pay it." That was good enough for them.
 
2013-11-29 03:38:48 PM  
Deeply in debt?    Incapable of running business?

He may just be perfect for Ohio Government office...
 
2013-11-29 03:41:42 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Seems like he was well vetted to me.

Failing to notice that Palin was dumber than a bag of hammers was quite an oversight for someone who was to be 1 heartbeat from the nook-ya-lur codes.


And that's before you factor in the fact that that one heartbeat would have belonged to an elderly cancer patient.
 
2013-11-29 03:48:38 PM  

TheSelphie: Kasich is such a dickwad that they really had to try to fark up the Democratic nominees.  And yet Ohio Dems somehow managed to do it.


By bringing up a Lt. Gov with maybe a little more debt than the average homeowner?

/Besides, if they really wanted to fark up the Democratic nomination, they could let Ted "Let's get Jesus into the Democratic Party platform, stat!" Strickland to run again.
 
2013-11-29 03:48:46 PM  
OMG!!! He has debts that he's faithfully paying down???!!!
 
2013-11-29 03:56:09 PM  

propasaurus: OMG!!! He has debts that he's faithfully paying down???!!!


HISTORY'S (second or third) GREATEST MONSTER

/at best, a turncoat ewok
 
2013-11-29 03:56:41 PM  

King Something: And that's before you factor in the fact that that one heartbeat would have belonged to an elderly cancer patient.


Oh yeah. The Presidency is a stressful job. You see how all of them age terribly (except Dubya, because he didn't know what was going on). McCain would be dead in the first week and the launch codes would be stuck to the fridge next to the grilled moose recipe.
 
2013-11-29 04:03:24 PM  

namatad: mrshowrules: Three Crooked Squirrels: To compare this to Palin is obviously stupid, but debt is a legitimate issue to be concerned about. Elected officials are routinely in the position to be bribed. Lots take that opportunity.

In Canada, credit issues can cost you your security clearance.  However, you don't need any security clearance to be elected to any office.  A fact that always disturbed me.

forget credit, how about IQ tests ... common sense ... being able to pass a reading comprehension test ... being able to put a sentence together ... being able to admit that you dont know something ... that you were wrong about something


Being able to make it through a debate on the basis of your quick wit and knowledge rather than eye-banging all of lonely, bitter men in the audience...
 
2013-11-29 04:10:56 PM  

TheSelphie: Kasich is such a dickwad that they really had to try to fark up the Democratic nominees.  And yet Ohio Dems somehow managed to do it.


And Boehner nearly always runs unopposed....
 
2013-11-29 04:26:22 PM  

drewbob21: It's not just the credit card settlement, it's the several hundred thousand dollars he owes in federal and state taxes.  That's not going to play well in Ohio among independent voters regardless of the cause.


There are no independent voters in this case. Kasich and Fitz are not easily confused. One is gung-ho Union, one is gung-ho anti-Union. It's like this for basically every issue. Either side could pick a serial killer as running mate, it wouldn't change much. Kasich's current Lt Gvnr. is is a typical, corrupt, race-baiting politician, it didn't hurt him.
 
2013-11-29 04:58:05 PM  

gingerjet: dmaestaz: It's the same thing here. I think they like pulling security clearances for financial mismanagement. I saw someone lose their TS/SCI for not paying a $1200 debt for a store credit card.

You won't necessarily lose your clearance because of a debt.  Even a large one.  You will lose it for lying about it.  Then again - there are so many people with clearances today - its become almost meaningless.

/bad credit will also not get you hired at a lot of banks


They now use debt to income ratio's (least they did in 2011 when I got out). Lying about it, or having too much gets it taken away nowadays. Can't speak about gov't employees and contractors though. I never dealt with them.
 
2013-11-29 05:01:35 PM  

jjorsett: Three Crooked Squirrels: To compare this to Palin is obviously stupid, but debt is a legitimate issue to be concerned about. Elected officials are routinely in the position to be bribed. Lots take that opportunity.

I'd also argue that if you can't manage your presonal finances, how well can you be expected to handle the public's?


Lots of factors to consider.

How they got into the debt and what they are doing to get out of it are pretty important to make any judgement.

And the latter part looks pretty good because it appears that they are well on their way to paying of their debt.


As for getting into debt, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to do so, some that may have largely been outside of his control.

You need some details before condemning the man. But it will play pretty poorly for him on 30 second TV ads.
 
2013-11-29 05:03:50 PM  

jjorsett: dmaestaz: mrshowrules: Three Crooked Squirrels: To compare this to Palin is obviously stupid, but debt is a legitimate issue to be concerned about. Elected officials are routinely in the position to be bribed. Lots take that opportunity.

In Canada, credit issues can cost you your security clearance.  However, you don't need any security clearance to be elected to any office.  A fact that always disturbed me.

It's the same thing here. I think they like pulling security clearances for financial mismanagement. I saw someone lose their TS/SCI for not paying a $1200 debt for a store credit card.

That's kind of odd. I won't go into detail but I had a similar issue with my clearance and all I had to tell the investigator was, "If it turns out I owe the debt [I was in a dispute at the time], I'll pay it." That was good enough for them.


What clearance did you have? On my last ship, I was the assistant security manager (which because the command security manager was an LCDR, I pretty much did most of the legwork, and was the one who had to deal with clearance issues. Normally at the Secret level, they can be lenient and more forgiving as long as you make an attempt to correct it, and remain truthful.

 They tend to get real anal when it comes to Top Secret and SCI levels.
 
2013-11-29 05:48:50 PM  
The guys family business tanked, he took on some of the debt on credit cards to try and save it? What a monster.
 
2013-11-29 06:11:30 PM  

Yakk: The guys family business tanked, he took on some of the debt on credit cards to try and save it? What a monster.


But... but... he's paying it back!!
 
2013-11-29 06:20:33 PM  
Does the GOP ever get tired of essentially saying things like, "here's a democrat that makes that complete moron we ran look like Albert Einstein!"

Perhaps the solution is to find good candidates rather than trying to invent controversy about others.  Oh wait, that would require work, and there is nothing the GOP hates more than that.
 
2013-11-29 06:26:13 PM  

iaazathot: Does the GOP ever get tired of essentially saying things like, "here's a democrat that makes that complete moron we ran look like Albert Einstein!"


Well it's the same mindset whenever there's a made up controversy about Obama that it's "Obama's Katrina". Katrina, that fark up Bush committed that we didn't admit was a fark up until we decided to use it in an analogy for Obama's made up fark ups.
 
2013-11-29 07:14:09 PM  

TheSelphie: Kasich is such a dickwad that they really had to try to fark up the Democratic nominees.  And yet Ohio Dems somehow managed to do it.


Well, Kasich has earned a little leeway with me for his past transgressions with him forcing through Medicaid expansion, naturally pissing off Report state legislators.

Hopefully he will behave more if he stays in office.
 
2013-11-29 08:41:35 PM  

IlGreven: TheSelphie: Kasich is such a dickwad that they really had to try to fark up the Democratic nominees.  And yet Ohio Dems somehow managed to do it.

By bringing up a Lt. Gov with maybe a little more debt than the average homeowner?


The average homeowner has $1 mil (if you include his company, over $200k if you just include personal) in tax liens?
 
2013-11-29 09:08:48 PM  

propasaurus: Yakk: The guys family business tanked, he took on some of the debt on credit cards to try and save it? What a monster.

But... but... he's paying it back!!


The problem here, however, is that Ed Fitzgerald should have known better than to choose somebody with some significant financial controversy that could make it easier to compromise their integrity.  Considering the only reason why he's (Ed Fitzgerald) running for governor is because he was elected commissioner of my county...after the Fitzgerald administration replaced the Democrat cabal who all essentially got thrown in jail for some...significant financial controversy (and bribing...LOTS of bribing).
 
2013-11-29 10:25:33 PM  

mrshowrules: Three Crooked Squirrels: To compare this to Palin is obviously stupid, but debt is a legitimate issue to be concerned about. Elected officials are routinely in the position to be bribed. Lots take that opportunity.

In Canada, credit issues can cost you your security clearance.  However, you don't need any security clearance to be elected to any office.  A fact that always disturbed me.


Same in the US. A buddy of mine had a sick parent in (for a couple years by then) 2002. I mean sick like dying cancer sick. You want the quickest way to go broke in America back then, other than lighting all your assets on fire, get sick. The irony being it dragged on so long, and his parents were so in debt, that it ended up affecting my friend's security clearance.

Had he been a politician, it wouldn't have affected him.
 
2013-11-29 11:02:48 PM  
"Ohio Democrat's gubernatorial candidate?"

a democrat is fielding his own personal candidate for governor? i'm seriously confused by the headline.
 
2013-11-29 11:54:25 PM  

FlashHarry: "Ohio Democrat's gubernatorial candidate?"

a democrat is fielding his own personal candidate for governor? i'm seriously confused by the headline.


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