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(Fox 59)   Caught on video: two police officers hold down grandfather while he's shot in the back with a Taser by another officer... all in front of a gathering of schoolchildren   (fox59.com) divider line 137
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2013-11-29 03:43:16 PM

kerrigand: PsiChick: Farty McPooPants: From TFA: "He was shot with the Taser in a middle school gym on Wednesday, and the town clerk treasurer followed for what also became a teaching tool for young kids. A K9 officer also showed the crowd what his partner could do. "

I have a real problem with this.

They solicited "donations" after this show of force?

This is all kinds of farked up.

This is what they show kids nowadays. 'Behave or we do X.' I would  hate to be in elementary school right now, I was scared enough of cops when I was a little kid.

How about the situation of where they show you "if you're a fark up and you fark up, we'll do this to you?" I wouldn't want to be elementary school right now, because of all of the snowflakes that are being taught that cops are beneath them and they don't have to listen to anyone but mommy.


Because thinking that showing a bunch of elementary-school kids someone being tazered is a bad idea is exactly the same as thinking cops are beneath you and you don't have to listen to anyone but mommy. Not like kids can get scared easily or get the wrong idea or anything, and  certainly not like we'd want to teach them to follow the rules because they  want to, not because someone's going to beat the shiat out of them if they don't, oh no...
 
2013-11-29 03:53:13 PM

PsiChick: kerrigand: PsiChick: Farty McPooPants: From TFA: "He was shot with the Taser in a middle school gym on Wednesday, and the town clerk treasurer followed for what also became a teaching tool for young kids. A K9 officer also showed the crowd what his partner could do. "

I have a real problem with this.

They solicited "donations" after this show of force?

This is all kinds of farked up.

This is what they show kids nowadays. 'Behave or we do X.' I would  hate to be in elementary school right now, I was scared enough of cops when I was a little kid.

How about the situation of where they show you "if you're a fark up and you fark up, we'll do this to you?" I wouldn't want to be elementary school right now, because of all of the snowflakes that are being taught that cops are beneath them and they don't have to listen to anyone but mommy.

Because thinking that showing a bunch of elementary-school kids someone being tazered is a bad idea is exactly the same as thinking cops are beneath you and you don't have to listen to anyone but mommy. Not like kids can get scared easily or get the wrong idea or anything, and  certainly not like we'd want to teach them to follow the rules because they  want to, not because someone's going to beat the shiat out of them if they don't, oh no..


Your right, we need to rely on elementary school kids on having the knowledge to do "right" and not worry about what mommy says. It seems to me "most" of us. Note how I quote.."most", most of us, understood that if we screwed up, where we would end up and what would happen to us. Nowadays, it's not about where we might end up or what might happen to us, it's, what will mommy say and where's daddy? He'll take care of this and you're gonna be in big trouble for arresting me for robbing that store.

Dramatic much? yeah, sometimes I am, but sometimes that's what it takes to get through to people.
 
2013-11-29 03:54:42 PM
The backlash of this is that these kids will leave with TWO impressions, and my that I mean some will have one and some will get the other:

A) Do what the law enforcement officers say always like good little citizens or they will use a taser on you and it hurts

or

B) Don't give a crap about the pigs because they will only tase you which really only hurts a bit for a second and they're stupid thugs

that's pretty much what they taught those kids....
O that and, "you can get tased for charity / cops need hummers"

/source: knows lots of stupid kids
 
2013-11-29 04:03:37 PM

kerrigand: Your right, we need to rely on elementary school kids on having the knowledge to do "right" and not worry about what mommy says. It seems to me "most" of us. Note how I quote.."most", most of us, understood that if we screwed up, where we would end up and what would happen to us. Nowadays, it's not about where we might end up or what might happen to us, it's, what will mommy say and where's daddy? He'll take care of this and you're gonna be in big trouble for arresting me for robbing that store.

Dramatic much? yeah, sometimes I am, but sometimes that's what it takes to get through to people.


...Please never breed. Dear god, I don't think I'd trust you babysitting, let alone responsible for a kid.

Seriously, kids  want to be good. That is one of their most basic functions. And you can get them to be good  really farking easily, without scaring them. I've never needed to scare my sister, and I was her primary caretaker for a year. The kid is one of the politest, most well-behaved kids in her group, as noted by  other adults, regularly. Even dealing with pain-in-the-ass kids, they want to be good and they will be if you give them opportunities. Scaring the shiat out of them is never required.
 
2013-11-29 04:03:53 PM

PacManDreaming: You know how they could've made a shiat-ton of cash? Have people bid on who gets to shock the cop with a Taser.


This!
 
2013-11-29 04:11:07 PM

PsiChick: kerrigand: Your right, we need to rely on elementary school kids on having the knowledge to do "right" and not worry about what mommy says. It seems to me "most" of us. Note how I quote.."most", most of us, understood that if we screwed up, where we would end up and what would happen to us. Nowadays, it's not about where we might end up or what might happen to us, it's, what will mommy say and where's daddy? He'll take care of this and you're gonna be in big trouble for arresting me for robbing that store.

Dramatic much? yeah, sometimes I am, but sometimes that's what it takes to get through to people.

...Please never breed. Dear god, I don't think I'd trust you babysitting, let alone responsible for a kid.

Seriously, kids  want to be good. That is one of their most basic functions. And you can get them to be good  really farking easily, without scaring them. I've never needed to scare my sister, and I was her primary caretaker for a year. The kid is one of the politest, most well-behaved kids in her group, as noted by  other adults, regularly. Even dealing with pain-in-the-ass kids, they want to be good and they will be if you give them opportunities. Scaring the shiat out of them is never required.


Trust me, I'd never want you to be responsible for one either.

I never said it was needed to scare kids. But you do you have to teach them respect and responsibility. They do need to understand life, and shiat like this is real life. Trying to keep them from dealing with real life is one of the reasons why we're having this discussion.
Shiat happens in life and shiat like this happens in life. You can't shield them from everything that happens. If you try to, you're only building upon the snowflake issue. YOU can't shield them from everything, so the sooner you teach them, the sooner they learn. This BS of hiding them from real life, is a snowflake issue. You can try to argue this until hell freezes over. You know it's true.
 
2013-11-29 04:22:33 PM

kerrigand: PsiChick: kerrigand: Your right, we need to rely on elementary school kids on having the knowledge to do "right" and not worry about what mommy says. It seems to me "most" of us. Note how I quote.."most", most of us, understood that if we screwed up, where we would end up and what would happen to us. Nowadays, it's not about where we might end up or what might happen to us, it's, what will mommy say and where's daddy? He'll take care of this and you're gonna be in big trouble for arresting me for robbing that store.

Dramatic much? yeah, sometimes I am, but sometimes that's what it takes to get through to people.

...Please never breed. Dear god, I don't think I'd trust you babysitting, let alone responsible for a kid.

Seriously, kids  want to be good. That is one of their most basic functions. And you can get them to be good  really farking easily, without scaring them. I've never needed to scare my sister, and I was her primary caretaker for a year. The kid is one of the politest, most well-behaved kids in her group, as noted by  other adults, regularly. Even dealing with pain-in-the-ass kids, they want to be good and they will be if you give them opportunities. Scaring the shiat out of them is never required.

Trust me, I'd never want you to be responsible for one either.

I never said it was needed to scare kids. But you do you have to teach them respect and responsibility. They do need to understand life, and shiat like this is real life. Trying to keep them from dealing with real life is one of the reasons why we're having this discussion.
Shiat happens in life and shiat like this happens in life. You can't shield them from everything that happens. If you try to, you're only building upon the snowflake issue. YOU can't shield them from everything, so the sooner you teach them, the sooner they learn. This BS of hiding them from real life, is a snowflake issue. You can try to argue this until hell freezes over. You know it's true.


My method has actually produced a healthy, happy, productive child. Your method has produced...well, apparently you, who thinks that 'you know it's true' is a valid argument.
 
2013-11-29 04:23:46 PM
Subby,

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/deserves Misleading Headline of the Year, you magnificent bastard
 
2013-11-29 04:33:45 PM

PsiChick: kerrigand: PsiChick: kerrigand: Your right, we need to rely on elementary school kids on having the knowledge to do "right" and not worry about what mommy says. It seems to me "most" of us. Note how I quote.."most", most of us, understood that if we screwed up, where we would end up and what would happen to us. Nowadays, it's not about where we might end up or what might happen to us, it's, what will mommy say and where's daddy? He'll take care of this and you're gonna be in big trouble for arresting me for robbing that store.

Dramatic much? yeah, sometimes I am, but sometimes that's what it takes to get through to people.

...Please never breed. Dear god, I don't think I'd trust you babysitting, let alone responsible for a kid.

Seriously, kids  want to be good. That is one of their most basic functions. And you can get them to be good  really farking easily, without scaring them. I've never needed to scare my sister, and I was her primary caretaker for a year. The kid is one of the politest, most well-behaved kids in her group, as noted by  other adults, regularly. Even dealing with pain-in-the-ass kids, they want to be good and they will be if you give them opportunities. Scaring the shiat out of them is never required.

Trust me, I'd never want you to be responsible for one either.

I never said it was needed to scare kids. But you do you have to teach them respect and responsibility. They do need to understand life, and shiat like this is real life. Trying to keep them from dealing with real life is one of the reasons why we're having this discussion.
Shiat happens in life and shiat like this happens in life. You can't shield them from everything that happens. If you try to, you're only building upon the snowflake issue. YOU can't shield them from everything, so the sooner you teach them, the sooner they learn. This BS of hiding them from real life, is a snowflake issue. You can try to argue this until hell freezes over. You know it's true.

My method has actu ...


Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to argue with you about kids being good. They're all good. That's what they know. They don't know good from bad. That's why you have to teach them. You're getting bent out of shape because you think I'm saying all kids are bad. That's not the case in any way, shape or form. But you do have to teach them, and you can't shield them from life. I'm glad that in your caretaking of 1 year that you were able to help shape a young child into a productive person. But that's not really relevant here now is it? Are you going to be one of those mommies that demand her child gets a participation trophy? If so, then bad on you. If not, then congrats, you might actually have a clue as to how to raise children.
 
2013-11-29 04:44:42 PM

kerrigand: Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to argue with you about kids being good. They're all good. That's what they know. They don't know good from bad. That's why you have to teach them. You're getting bent out of shape because you think I'm saying all kids are bad. That's not the case in any way, shape or form. But you do have to teach them, and you can't shield them from life. I'm glad that in your caretaking of 1 year that you were able to help shape a young child into a productive person. But that's not really relevant here now is it? Are you going to be one of those mommies that demand her child gets a participation trophy? If so, then bad on you. If not, then congrats, you might actually have a clue as to how to raise children.


I'm 'bent out of shape' because you think that showing kids a man being held down and tazed is a  good idea. That's like saying that 2+2=5--it doesn't mean you're right, it means you're an idiot who doesn't know the most basic thing they're talking about. Having 'feelings in your gut' is not a substitute for actually knowing what the hell you're doing.
 
2013-11-29 04:47:25 PM

PsiChick: kerrigand: Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to argue with you about kids being good. They're all good. That's what they know. They don't know good from bad. That's why you have to teach them. You're getting bent out of shape because you think I'm saying all kids are bad. That's not the case in any way, shape or form. But you do have to teach them, and you can't shield them from life. I'm glad that in your caretaking of 1 year that you were able to help shape a young child into a productive person. But that's not really relevant here now is it? Are you going to be one of those mommies that demand her child gets a participation trophy? If so, then bad on you. If not, then congrats, you might actually have a clue as to how to raise children.

I'm 'bent out of shape' because you think that showing kids a man being held down and tazed is a  good idea. That's like saying that 2+2=5--it doesn't mean you're right, it means you're an idiot who doesn't know the most basic thing they're talking about. Having 'feelings in your gut' is not a substitute for actually knowing what the hell you're doing.


4 kids, 7 grandchildren and helped out with numerous others. Until you get there, don't even talk to me about that. You don't have the qualification. When you do, you just let me know. Then and only then, will you be able to hold a qualified conversation.
 
2013-11-29 04:52:29 PM

PsiChick: kerrigand: Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to argue with you about kids being good. They're all good. That's what they know. They don't know good from bad. That's why you have to teach them. You're getting bent out of shape because you think I'm saying all kids are bad. That's not the case in any way, shape or form. But you do have to teach them, and you can't shield them from life. I'm glad that in your caretaking of 1 year that you were able to help shape a young child into a productive person. But that's not really relevant here now is it? Are you going to be one of those mommies that demand her child gets a participation trophy? If so, then bad on you. If not, then congrats, you might actually have a clue as to how to raise children.

I'm 'bent out of shape' because you think that showing kids a man being held down and tazed is a  good idea. That's like saying that 2+2=5--it doesn't mean you're right, it means you're an idiot who doesn't know the most basic thing they're talking about. Having 'feelings in your gut' is not a substitute for actually knowing what the hell you're doing.


I'll go ya one more on this one. The only thing a real parent has to go by it a "gut" feeling. That's the only thing. You'll realize that when you become a parent. It's not a substitute for any, it's the only thing.
 
2013-11-29 04:59:43 PM

kerrigand: PsiChick: kerrigand: Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to argue with you about kids being good. They're all good. That's what they know. They don't know good from bad. That's why you have to teach them. You're getting bent out of shape because you think I'm saying all kids are bad. That's not the case in any way, shape or form. But you do have to teach them, and you can't shield them from life. I'm glad that in your caretaking of 1 year that you were able to help shape a young child into a productive person. But that's not really relevant here now is it? Are you going to be one of those mommies that demand her child gets a participation trophy? If so, then bad on you. If not, then congrats, you might actually have a clue as to how to raise children.

I'm 'bent out of shape' because you think that showing kids a man being held down and tazed is a  good idea. That's like saying that 2+2=5--it doesn't mean you're right, it means you're an idiot who doesn't know the most basic thing they're talking about. Having 'feelings in your gut' is not a substitute for actually knowing what the hell you're doing.

4 kids, 7 grandchildren and helped out with numerous others. Until you get there, don't even talk to me about that. You don't have the qualification. When you do, you just let me know. Then and only then, will you be able to hold a qualified conversation.


Respond to the bolded part. Explain to me, logically, what you think that bolded part is going to do.
 
2013-11-29 05:01:15 PM

kerrigand: PsiChick: kerrigand: Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to argue with you about kids being good. They're all good. That's what they know. They don't know good from bad. That's why you have to teach them. You're getting bent out of shape because you think I'm saying all kids are bad. That's not the case in any way, shape or form. But you do have to teach them, and you can't shield them from life. I'm glad that in your caretaking of 1 year that you were able to help shape a young child into a productive person. But that's not really relevant here now is it? Are you going to be one of those mommies that demand her child gets a participation trophy? If so, then bad on you. If not, then congrats, you might actually have a clue as to how to raise children.

I'm 'bent out of shape' because you think that showing kids a man being held down and tazed is a  good idea. That's like saying that 2+2=5--it doesn't mean you're right, it means you're an idiot who doesn't know the most basic thing they're talking about. Having 'feelings in your gut' is not a substitute for actually knowing what the hell you're doing.

I'll go ya one more on this one. The only thing a real parent has to go by it a "gut" feeling. That's the only thing. You'll realize that when you become a parent. It's not a substitute for any, it's the only thing.


Wait.... what?
 
2013-11-29 05:04:07 PM

PsiChick: Seriously, kids want to be good. That is one of their most basic functions. And you can get them to be good really farking easily,



I would have eaten you alive. No offense, but it's pretty naive to believe that your one approach works for everyone, or even anyone else besides your one family example.

Seriously, I was a hellion. I would have taken advantage of your naivety badly.
 
2013-11-29 05:08:24 PM

PsiChick: kerrigand: PsiChick: kerrigand: Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to argue with you about kids being good. They're all good. That's what they know. They don't know good from bad. That's why you have to teach them. You're getting bent out of shape because you think I'm saying all kids are bad. That's not the case in any way, shape or form. But you do have to teach them, and you can't shield them from life. I'm glad that in your caretaking of 1 year that you were able to help shape a young child into a productive person. But that's not really relevant here now is it? Are you going to be one of those mommies that demand her child gets a participation trophy? If so, then bad on you. If not, then congrats, you might actually have a clue as to how to raise children.

I'm 'bent out of shape' because you think that showing kids a man being held down and tazed is a  good idea. That's like saying that 2+2=5--it doesn't mean you're right, it means you're an idiot who doesn't know the most basic thing they're talking about. Having 'feelings in your gut' is not a substitute for actually knowing what the hell you're doing.

4 kids, 7 grandchildren and helped out with numerous others. Until you get there, don't even talk to me about that. You don't have the qualification. When you do, you just let me know. Then and only then, will you be able to hold a qualified conversation.

Respond to the bolded part. Explain to me, logically, what you think that bolded part is going to do.



I don't know, what is it supposed to show them? Maybe that, police aren't the bad people that you make them out to be? Maybe that, not only are they police officers, but they're also people? Maybe, that they're your neighbors and they're up for the people just as much as you? That they're here for you as much as they would like for you to be for them? That they're willing to do for you as much as themselves? In Briarwood California, I doubt any of this would even register to you. But in Smallville, US, which is where most people actually live. It means a lot. Not only to the people, but to the kids.  Enlighten us.  What is it supposed to show them?
 
2013-11-29 05:15:25 PM

FarkinHostile: PsiChick: Seriously, kids want to be good. That is one of their most basic functions. And you can get them to be good really farking easily,


I would have eaten you alive. No offense, but it's pretty naive to believe that your one approach works for everyone, or even anyone else besides your one family example.

Seriously, I was a hellion. I would have taken advantage of your naivety badly.


So was my brother. My mom used exactly the same bag of tricks, and he turned out fine.

/Admittedly, he ended up in his room a lot more than the rest of us, but.
//Also, channeling pyromania turned out to involve creativity.

kerrigand: PsiChick: kerrigand: PsiChick: kerrigand: Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to argue with you about kids being good. They're all good. That's what they know. They don't know good from bad. That's why you have to teach them. You're getting bent out of shape because you think I'm saying all kids are bad. That's not the case in any way, shape or form. But you do have to teach them, and you can't shield them from life. I'm glad that in your caretaking of 1 year that you were able to help shape a young child into a productive person. But that's not really relevant here now is it? Are you going to be one of those mommies that demand her child gets a participation trophy? If so, then bad on you. If not, then congrats, you might actually have a clue as to how to raise children.

I'm 'bent out of shape' because you think that showing kids a man being held down and tazed is a  good idea. That's like saying that 2+2=5--it doesn't mean you're right, it means you're an idiot who doesn't know the most basic thing they're talking about. Having 'feelings in your gut' is not a substitute for actually knowing what the hell you're doing.

4 kids, 7 grandchildren and helped out with numerous others. Until you get there, don't even talk to me about that. You don't have the qualification. When you do, you just let me know. Then and only then, will you be able to hold a qualified conversation.

Respond to the bolded part. Explain to me, logically, what you think that bolded part is going to do.


I don't know, what is it supposed to show them? Maybe that, police aren't the bad people that you make them out to be? Maybe that, not only are they police officers, but they're also people? Maybe, that they're your neighbors and they're up for the people just as much as you? That they're here for you as much as they would like for you to be for them? That they're willing to do for you as much as themselves? In Briarwood California, I doubt any of this would even register to you. But in Smallvil ...


A) They're seeing a guy get zapped with a taser. If you think the 'charity' part registers, you are highly overestimating the intelligence of, say, your average second-grader.

B) ...I can't tell if you missed the fact that 'Briarwood, California' isn't a real city, or if that Smallville comment just made it pretty epic.
 
2013-11-29 05:21:41 PM

PsiChick: FarkinHostile: PsiChick: Seriously, kids want to be good. That is one of their most basic functions. And you can get them to be good really farking easily,


I would have eaten you alive. No offense, but it's pretty naive to believe that your one approach works for everyone, or even anyone else besides your one family example.

Seriously, I was a hellion. I would have taken advantage of your naivety badly.

So was my brother. My mom used exactly the same bag of tricks, and he turned out fine.

/Admittedly, he ended up in his room a lot more than the rest of us, but.
//Also, channeling pyromania turned out to involve creativity.

kerrigand: PsiChick: kerrigand: PsiChick: kerrigand: Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to argue with you about kids being good. They're all good. That's what they know. They don't know good from bad. That's why you have to teach them. You're getting bent out of shape because you think I'm saying all kids are bad. That's not the case in any way, shape or form. But you do have to teach them, and you can't shield them from life. I'm glad that in your caretaking of 1 year that you were able to help shape a young child into a productive person. But that's not really relevant here now is it? Are you going to be one of those mommies that demand her child gets a participation trophy? If so, then bad on you. If not, then congrats, you might actually have a clue as to how to raise children.

I'm 'bent out of shape' because you think that showing kids a man being held down and tazed is a  good idea. That's like saying that 2+2=5--it doesn't mean you're right, it means you're an idiot who doesn't know the most basic thing they're talking about. Having 'feelings in your gut' is not a substitute for actually knowing what the hell you're doing.

4 kids, 7 grandchildren and helped out with numerous others. Until you get there, don't even talk to me about that. You don't have the qualification. When you do, you just let me know. Then and only then, will you ...



Look I realize you're trying to deflect your ignorance upon others. I don't really hold that against you. But, until you raise your own kids, you really don't need to be trying to tell others how to raise theirs. There is no set in stone way raise each child. I know you think there is, but there isn't. Like I said earlier, when you get to where I am, and you haven't killed anyone of them or yourself. Then let me know. Then you can have a qualified chat with the people that have.
 
2013-11-29 05:45:44 PM

kerrigand: Look I realize you're trying to deflect your ignorance upon others.


Funny. I've provided the (entirely logical) assertion that seeing someone tazed will scare kids. You haven't provided a single reason why it wouldn't, and only brought up your credentials when you wanted to avoid answering me. Which of us is deflecting, again?
 
2013-11-29 05:59:00 PM

PsiChick: kerrigand: Look I realize you're trying to deflect your ignorance upon others.

Funny. I've provided the (entirely logical) assertion that seeing someone tazed will scare kids. You haven't provided a single reason why it wouldn't, and only brought up your credentials when you wanted to avoid answering me. Which of us is deflecting, again?



What is it supposed to show them? Not to get into a situation that you need to be tazed? Was it fun for the kids? I would ask you to ask them. I would be willing to bet that most weren't scared as much as they had fun and enjoyed what they were seeing. Something that they wouldn't want to happen to them. If you asked them if it scared them, I'd say most of them would say that it didn't. But, I would be willing to bet if you asked them if they had respect for it afterwards, I'd bet most of them would say that they did. Now I know you're just going to try to come up with something else to degrade what this guy did for the community, so go ahead. Get it off your chest and let's see what your next issue or problem is. I know, it might've scared a child or two. You never been scared? According to you, you turned out just fine.

Now, let's get to the question that I asked you and you deflected from answering? What was it supposed to have shown them?

M
 
2013-11-29 06:07:44 PM

kerrigand: PsiChick: kerrigand: Look I realize you're trying to deflect your ignorance upon others.

Funny. I've provided the (entirely logical) assertion that seeing someone tazed will scare kids. You haven't provided a single reason why it wouldn't, and only brought up your credentials when you wanted to avoid answering me. Which of us is deflecting, again?


What is it supposed to show them? Not to get into a situation that you need to be tazed? Was it fun for the kids? I would ask you to ask them. I would be willing to bet that most weren't scared as much as they had fun and enjoyed what they were seeing. Something that they wouldn't want to happen to them. If you asked them if it scared them, I'd say most of them would say that it didn't. But, I would be willing to bet if you asked them if they had respect for it afterwards, I'd bet most of them would say that they did. Now I know you're just going to try to come up with something else to degrade what this guy did for the community, so go ahead. Get it off your chest and let's see what your next issue or problem is. I know, it might've scared a child or two. You never been scared? According to you, you turned out just fine.

Now, let's get to the question that I asked you and you deflected from answering? What was it supposed to have shown them?

M


I think what he did for the community was admirable. It's the doing-in-front-of-kids part that I take issue with. Yes, it was  supposed to show them a guy being loyal to his community, I think. (I'm not honestly sure what they were thinking.) I doubt it actually came through that way. Is that clear enough?
 
2013-11-29 06:19:14 PM

PsiChick: kerrigand: PsiChick: kerrigand: Look I realize you're trying to deflect your ignorance upon others.

Funny. I've provided the (entirely logical) assertion that seeing someone tazed will scare kids. You haven't provided a single reason why it wouldn't, and only brought up your credentials when you wanted to avoid answering me. Which of us is deflecting, again?


What is it supposed to show them? Not to get into a situation that you need to be tazed? Was it fun for the kids? I would ask you to ask them. I would be willing to bet that most weren't scared as much as they had fun and enjoyed what they were seeing. Something that they wouldn't want to happen to them. If you asked them if it scared them, I'd say most of them would say that it didn't. But, I would be willing to bet if you asked them if they had respect for it afterwards, I'd bet most of them would say that they did. Now I know you're just going to try to come up with something else to degrade what this guy did for the community, so go ahead. Get it off your chest and let's see what your next issue or problem is. I know, it might've scared a child or two. You never been scared? According to you, you turned out just fine.

Now, let's get to the question that I asked you and you deflected from answering? What was it supposed to have shown them?

M

I think what he did for the community was admirable. It's the doing-in-front-of-kids part that I take issue with. Yes, it was  supposed to show them a guy being loyal to his community, I think. (I'm not honestly sure what they were thinking.) I doubt it actually came through that way. Is that clear enough?


Your rationale, while quite admirable, isn't a good one. I most certainly want to protect the kids as much as you do, if not more. But, when you start denying them reality, then that's when they lose. Now, while I agree that this, if in another context happened, it might be a shock to a lot of kids. But to most in this situation, this was a guy they knew. He was a neighbor, a friend, maybe even a dad of one of the kids. It wasn't like that this happened out of the blue and was some guy that fell down in front of them from a taser after robbing a quick-e-mart. The people of the town knew this ahead of time, they made the choice, they, not you, not me, they, made the choice and they alone thought the kids we're up to understand what was going on. It's not up to you, nor me, to tell them or even really judge them on what they chose to do. You're welcome to your opinion as well as I am to mine. You just have no right to impress it upon them as if you were their parents. Nor do I. We done? We good?
 
2013-11-29 08:01:43 PM
A 63-yo tasered for donations?

They are being accepted at the Knightstown Police Department:

They are being accepted posthumously, I assume.
 
2013-11-29 08:27:29 PM

PsiChick: Farty McPooPants: From TFA: "He was shot with the Taser in a middle school gym on Wednesday, and the town clerk treasurer followed for what also became a teaching tool for young kids. A K9 officer also showed the crowd what his partner could do. "

I have a real problem with this.

They solicited "donations" after this show of force?

This is all kinds of farked up.

This is what they show kids nowadays. 'Behave or we do X.' I would  hate to be in elementary school right now, I was scared enough of cops when I was a little kid.


It's pretty sad that this seems to be lost on 3/4 of the people in this thread.

A demonstration for kids with k9 and tazers? I remember those gatherings in the school auditorium from growing up in the backwoods. They used to have youth events in my town for teenagers (teens only swimming, etc) where the cops would show up beforehand, unadvertised, and force us to listen to a detailed explanation of what happens when your stomach gets pumped for drugs. Let's just say there was no indication we were allowed to leave if we didn't want to hear it. (Sometimes the k9 guys would hang out by the exit with the dog sitting in front of it)

farking cops. I wish this dipshiat died.
 
2013-11-29 08:43:48 PM
Now that's some liberal greatness there.

We have one that's scared of their own shadow and another one that wants people to die.

/Imagine that.
//typical
 
2013-11-29 08:50:16 PM

kerrigand:

Dramatic much?

Just dumb.

4 kids, 7 grandchildren and helped out with numerous others. Until you get there, don't even talk to me about that. You don't have the qualification. When you do, you just let me know. Then and only then, will you be able to hold a qualified conversation.

I'm a parent. Not that it really means anything to you. Next it will be, "Until you have the same number of grandchildren as me you can't have opinions!"

kerrigand: I most certainly want to protect the kids as much as you do, if not more. But, when you start denying them reality,


No, you really don't. I agree that kids should be told about the reality of the situation, that cops are a protected class of citizen who are allowed to bully, torture, and murder the rest of us without repercussion, but that doesn't mean I approve of or encourage it.
 
2013-11-29 08:54:49 PM

Kurgan Warlord: Now that's some liberal greatness there.

We have one that's scared of their own shadow and another one that wants people to die.

/Imagine that.
//typical


You keep using that word. A liberal is to me what a housecat is to a salamander. Two different animals. Try not to strain yourself by imagining something other than dichotomy.

Also, I wish cops would die, not people.
 
2013-11-29 08:56:59 PM

Bandito King: kerrigand:

Dramatic much?

Just dumb.

4 kids, 7 grandchildren and helped out with numerous others. Until you get there, don't even talk to me about that. You don't have the qualification. When you do, you just let me know. Then and only then, will you be able to hold a qualified conversation.

I'm a parent. Not that it really means anything to you. Next it will be, "Until you have the same number of grandchildren as me you can't have opinions!"

kerrigand: I most certainly want to protect the kids as much as you do, if not more. But, when you start denying them reality,

No, you really don't. I agree that kids should be told about the reality of the situation, that cops are a protected class of citizen who are allowed to bully, torture, and murder the rest of us without repercussion, but that doesn't mean I approve of or encourage it.


You really sound butthurt.  Seen the backseat of a few cruisers, have ya?
 
2013-11-29 08:57:39 PM

kerrigand: But, when you start denying them reality


Would you also like to discuss that in Africa rape is a military tactic? The  point of kids is to protect them from reality, and introduce them slowly. Kids in, say, kindergarten, don't need to know cops can hurt you, so let's not farking tell them.
 
2013-11-29 08:58:21 PM

Bandito King: Kurgan Warlord: Now that's some liberal greatness there.

We have one that's scared of their own shadow and another one that wants people to die.

/Imagine that.
//typical

You keep using that word. A liberal is to me what a housecat is to a salamander. Two different animals. Try not to strain yourself by imagining something other than dichotomy.

Also, I wish cops would die, not people.


What world do you live in? Last time I checked they were one and the same.
Wanna try again?
 
2013-11-29 09:07:32 PM

Kurgan Warlord:

You really sound butthurt.  Seen the backseat of a few cruisers, have ya?

Seen a hell of a lot worse than that.

Kurgan Warlord: Last time I checked they were one and the same.
Wanna try again?


No need, you're mistaken. Police consider themselves a separate breed and I support them in this.
 
2013-11-30 01:39:48 AM
That's some fine trolling there Lou.
 
2013-11-30 05:15:29 AM
Ha! It got posted on Facebook as: "Have you ever seen such cruelty?"

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-11-30 09:07:37 AM

Snarfangel: SecretAgentWoman: Oh, subby needs a cockpunch for this one.

But cockfighting is illegal!


You owe me a new keyboard.
 
2013-11-30 10:23:10 AM
Meh he got done once ONCE!!! Now let him get hit mutliple times whilst his arm is being bent behind him and there is a knee in the back of his neck.
 
2013-11-30 02:44:37 PM
i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-12-01 02:15:26 AM
I got trolled right on in.  I'm not fond of that.
 
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