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2013-11-28 11:23:35 PM
Oh crap. I JUST bought TWO of those from Newegg.
I haven't even opened the boxes yet.
 
2013-11-29 12:07:47 AM

TommyymmoT: Oh crap. I JUST bought TWO of those from Newegg.
I haven't even opened the boxes yet.


Send them back for an exchange.  OCZ drives have not been worth purchasing for a while now.
 
2013-11-29 12:15:20 AM
When I was researching which SSD to get some 3 years ago OCZ constantly popped up with the most failures at that time. I believe they had issues with the firmware and the sandforce controllers. Kinda glad I stayed away from them. I've bought 2 crucial and 2 Toshiba ones and they've been great so far.
 
2013-11-29 12:22:48 AM
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I have requested two RMAs in my life--both were for OCZs drives.
 
2013-11-29 12:26:02 AM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: TommyymmoT: Oh crap. I JUST bought TWO of those from Newegg.
I haven't even opened the boxes yet.

Send them back for an exchange.  OCZ drives have not been worth purchasing for a while now.


Pretty much this.

My only OCZ lasted less than a week before flaking out.

/Credit where it's due, they offered to refund my money if microcenter didn't, but microcenter did... so all was well.
 
2013-11-29 12:31:01 AM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: TommyymmoT: Oh crap. I JUST bought TWO of those from Newegg.
I haven't even opened the boxes yet.

Send them back for an exchange.  OCZ drives have not been worth purchasing for a while now.


About how long a while would you say? My computer's had one as it's C drive almost since they were available.
 
2013-11-29 12:38:12 AM

rockspin: Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I have requested two RMAs in my life--both were for OCZs drives.


Their power supplies sucked as well. I had one of their units emit a loud "POP" one day, and it turned out to be chock full of bad capacitors. I was lucky it didn't take anything else with it.
 
2013-11-29 12:56:50 AM

Fubegra: rockspin: Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I have requested two RMAs in my life--both were for OCZs drives.

Their power supplies sucked as well. I had one of their units emit a loud "POP" one day, and it turned out to be chock full of bad capacitors. I was lucky it didn't take anything else with it.


I've never had a problem with their power supplies so far. I've had the one I'm currently using for a little over 3 years and my computer runs almost constantly.  I have heard mixed reviews on their SSD's though so I haven't bothered.
 
2013-11-29 01:00:51 AM
Thanks all for the information everyone, even if it was very disappointing.

Any suggestions for somewhat affordable SSDs, 120GB or more?
I need two of them for a RAID 0 configuration to accommodate ProTools, and AVID.
 
2013-11-29 01:00:52 AM

Sim Tree: About how long a while would you say? My computer's had one as it's C drive almost since they were available.


Since their first ever SSD rolled off the lines.  OCZ ran the highest failure rate of any SSD brand, whilst newegg and other US retailers don't/won't report per manu/brand returns the European ones can and do, OCZ is unfortunately at the top of the list and has been for years.

So congrats your ticking time bomb of an SSD hasn't detonated yet.   You might want to have a good backup policy.
 
2013-11-29 01:01:49 AM

TommyymmoT: Any suggestions for somewhat affordable SSDs, 120GB or more?
I need two of them for a RAID 0 configuration to accommodate ProTools, and AVID.


Samsung or Intel.  Anything else avoid.
 
2013-11-29 01:02:07 AM

Sim Tree: Inquisitive Inquisitor: TommyymmoT: Oh crap. I JUST bought TWO of those from Newegg.
I haven't even opened the boxes yet.

Send them back for an exchange.  OCZ drives have not been worth purchasing for a while now.

About how long a while would you say? My computer's had one as it's C drive almost since they were available.


Like any quality control problem it varies between the manufacturing center.  You received an OCZ drive that works, so have a number of people.  Others like myself received one drive after another that failed within a week or two.  It's now become a well known problem.

If the company was solvent it might be worth keeping the drives and hoping for the best.  Now that there's a risk of liquidation it's better to try for an exchange and pick up a drive from a company that will still be in business.
 
2013-11-29 01:07:01 AM

Vaneshi: TommyymmoT: Any suggestions for somewhat affordable SSDs, 120GB or more?
I need two of them for a RAID 0 configuration to accommodate ProTools, and AVID.

Samsung or Intel.  Anything else avoid.


Agreed. I have a Samsung 840 (or 740 or I don't remember) 256gb that has been used heavily for a year and seems fine.
 
2013-11-29 01:12:33 AM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Sim Tree: Inquisitive Inquisitor: TommyymmoT: Oh crap. I JUST bought TWO of those from Newegg.
I haven't even opened the boxes yet.

Send them back for an exchange.  OCZ drives have not been worth purchasing for a while now.

About how long a while would you say? My computer's had one as it's C drive almost since they were available.

Like any quality control problem it varies between the manufacturing center.  You received an OCZ drive that works, so have a number of people.  Others like myself received one drive after another that failed within a week or two.  It's now become a well known problem.

If the company was solvent it might be worth keeping the drives and hoping for the best.  Now that there's a risk of liquidation it's better to try for an exchange and pick up a drive from a company that will still be in business.



Ummm, they were sold to me as "refurbished", and now I'm thinking that the word "refurbished" really means "junk that was sent back, and we're gonna try to sell again.

Spiffy packaging though.
 
2013-11-29 01:14:04 AM
Samsung SSDs are all I need...
 
2013-11-29 01:27:42 AM

TommyymmoT: Thanks all for the information everyone, even if it was very disappointing.

Any suggestions for somewhat affordable SSDs, 120GB or more?
I need two of them for a RAID 0 configuration to accommodate ProTools, and AVID.


Samsung's 840 EVO or the Intel 5x0 series - I like the 530 for best performance, 520 for best price.

Anything else you're just spinning wheels, IMHO.

Newegg has the 530 240gb for 159$, 40$ off regular,  a fantastic price for a great one.
 
2013-11-29 01:36:22 AM

TommyymmoT: Ummm, they were sold to me as "refurbished", and now I'm thinking that the word "refurbished" really means "junk that was sent back, and we're gonna try to sell again.


Sounds like time to go buy a Samsung and use whatever time you've got left with the OCZ's as scratch disks, after all when they pop and take your swapfiles with em who gives a crap?
 
2013-11-29 01:50:14 AM
Thanks to the mysterious person for the 1 month TF.  \o/
 
2013-11-29 01:57:37 AM
I still don't trust SSDs yet. When they die (and they will) they are dead, you can't get your data back and you don't get any warning.
 
2013-11-29 01:58:22 AM

Vaneshi: TommyymmoT: Ummm, they were sold to me as "refurbished", and now I'm thinking that the word "refurbished" really means "junk that was sent back, and we're gonna try to sell again.

Sounds like time to go buy a Samsung and use whatever time you've got left with the OCZ's as scratch disks, after all when


I gotta sleep right now, it's been a very long day that included some extremely fine wine, and beers.
Thanks' for the advice.

I added some graffiti next to your log in.
THANK YOU !
GOOD NIGHT !

Drunk?
Yupper, that's a Roger.
 
2013-11-29 02:12:23 AM

Sim Tree: Inquisitive Inquisitor: TommyymmoT: Oh crap. I JUST bought TWO of those from Newegg.
I haven't even opened the boxes yet.

Send them back for an exchange.  OCZ drives have not been worth purchasing for a while now.

About how long a while would you say? My computer's had one as it's C drive almost since they were available.


My OCZ SSD has been working for two years now, no problems.

Hand Banana: I still don't trust SSDs yet. When they die (and they will) they are dead, you can't get your data back and you don't get any warning.


I feel the same way, so I just keep important stuff on another HD. Not trying to sound douchey, but I have 4 drives and need something to do with all of them
 
2013-11-29 02:34:18 AM
orz
 
2013-11-29 04:39:24 AM

RottNDude: Vaneshi: TommyymmoT: Any suggestions for somewhat affordable SSDs, 120GB or more?
I need two of them for a RAID 0 configuration to accommodate ProTools, and AVID.

Samsung or Intel.  Anything else avoid.

Agreed. I have a Samsung 840 (or 740 or I don't remember) 256gb that has been used heavily for a year and seems fine.


I've got the 120 gig 840, and it's never given me an issue running Skyrim, Windows and WoW, even at the same time
 
2013-11-29 05:44:01 AM
I think Toshiba are the highest bidders, lets see how they handle the situation.
 
2013-11-29 06:15:17 AM
I was looking at SSD prices the other day; I was considering whether to swap out my laptop's HD, but I'll probably wait until next year after the warranty is out on the laptop.
 
2013-11-29 07:18:33 AM

Fubegra: rockspin: Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I have requested two RMAs in my life--both were for OCZs drives.

Their power supplies sucked as well. I had one of their units emit a loud "POP" one day, and it turned out to be chock full of bad capacitors. I was lucky it didn't take anything else with it.


OCZ power supplies suck, but they bought out PC Power & Cooling a while back, which were top of the line. I havent kept up, dont know if they tarnished that brand or not...
 
2013-11-29 07:47:53 AM

TommyymmoT: Thanks all for the information everyone, even if it was very disappointing.

Any suggestions for somewhat affordable SSDs, 120GB or more?
I need two of them for a RAID 0 configuration to accommodate ProTools, and AVID.


120GB for protools? you should get bigger drives, if you insist get Samsung.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 $8 5.99

I've got one, it's pretty fast.
 
2013-11-29 07:51:59 AM
So a company that sells overpriced junk is going out of business? The is truly a shocking turn of events.
 
2013-11-29 08:21:56 AM
Samsung 840 series if you mainly need read speed. 840 Pro series if you want fast writes as well.
 
2013-11-29 08:26:07 AM
I took a chance on an OCZ Vertex2 SSD drive a few years ago.  Seemed to work well for a while but then anomalies started cropping up:  files that I modified would return to their unmodified state after rebooting the machine.  It was almost like the drive would revert to an earlier state.  That's probably okay for a read-only filesystem but useless for anything else.  Refused to buy OCZ after that.

Financially, OCZ's problem is they don't have any fab capabilities.  They're forced to contract with flash suppliers like Samsung and Sandisk who've invested billions in their own fabs.  Problem is these companies also produce their own lines of SSDs so they'll always have a pricing and supply advantage.
 
2013-11-29 08:55:29 AM
Not sad, more of a relief. The one OCZ drive I bought would pause at the most inopportune times (during my WoW career). So much for added speed. I replaced it with a Crucial SSD, the problem went away, and that's been my drive brand of choice ever since.

The OCZ is now a glorified flash drive.
 
2013-11-29 08:57:00 AM
OCZ has always been shiat.  Flashy junk for ignorant people.  They consistently sacrificed quality for profit across their entire product line, and I cannot think of a single thing they've ever done well. Always lots of reports of failed units, DOA merch, and poor quality of service.

Good riddance to  OMG GAMERZ gear.
 
2013-11-29 08:59:40 AM

Cyno01: dont know if they tarnished that brand or not...


They put cheap Chinese capacitors in and replaced all the resistors with flashing LED lights that were within 25% tolerance of the resistors they replaced. Then they slapped an OCZ sticker on it and marketed it to gamers by telling them they can overclock their power supply with go faster stickers.
 
2013-11-29 09:02:03 AM
FTFA: OCZ was seen as a lower-cost alternative ... a long string of failures

THIS, is OCZ's legacy. Low cost crap. Marketed in particular to gamers.
 
2013-11-29 09:04:44 AM
An OCZ drive would be useful for an L2ARC (cache) device on a ZFS storage pool, but I wouldn't consider using it for anything else. Since ZFS checksums every block it writes, it can detect a failed read and fall back to the storage drives. Better to get a performance hit than corrupted data.
 
2013-11-29 09:15:20 AM
Built two Win7 machines.. Intel i5 cpus, Intel 120gb SSDs, WD 500gb SATAs.. boot time is 20 seconds...  no problems at all.. don't mind spending more for quality, beats wasting time with reinstalls and returning iffy parts.....
 
2013-11-29 09:34:19 AM

TommyymmoT: Oh crap. I JUST bought TWO of those from Newegg.
I haven't even opened the boxes yet.


Congratulations on your box of shiat.
 
2013-11-29 10:11:44 AM

Intrepid00: TommyymmoT: Oh crap. I JUST bought TWO of those from Newegg.
I haven't even opened the boxes yet.

Congratulations on your box of shiat.


Cheap RAID.
 
2013-11-29 10:50:08 AM
I bought two Intel 520 180GB drives last year (during the thanksgiving sales, actually... I was patient and got each for $80).

I could not possibly be more happy with their performance. Blazing fast for games, boots to a usable state in less than 10 seconds. The 5 year warranty is great too.
 
2013-11-29 10:53:45 AM
OCZ is a sad story... they made some really good stuff a while back, reliable hdds and power supplies with good parts, good caps, good everything... then they got popular, got bigger, and decided they could trade on their name... they started cutting corners, cheaping out on parts (most notably capacitors in power supplies, which became notorious for cooking boards)... and now hundreds of people are out of jobs because some MBAs at the top thought they could sell a name better than they could sell a quality product.
 
2013-11-29 11:00:47 AM
I just bought a couple of the Vertex 2 120GBs as cheap upgrades for my girlfriend's and her daughter's PCs.  One of them was still booting from an 80GB IDE drive.  I hope they last, but it's no big deal if they fail.  No critical data is being stored on them.  A lot of the problems with OCZ SSDs was related to the firmware, so if you have one, make sure the firmware is up to date.
 
2013-11-29 11:05:58 AM

Sea Monkey: A lot of the problems with OCZ SSDs was related to the firmware


And not including those Pesky supercapacitors that were in the spec for sandforce. That they left out to save money.  Power blip? say goodbye to your filesystem.
 
2013-11-29 11:22:38 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Intrepid00: TommyymmoT: Oh crap. I JUST bought TWO of those from Newegg.
I haven't even opened the boxes yet.

Congratulations on your box of shiat.

Cheap RAID.


Who needs trim support?
 
2013-11-29 11:23:40 AM
I've had a set of Mushkin SSD's in my server for about 2 years... they've gone thru all sorts of abject hell, and they are still kicking (and performing perfectly). Never bought an OCZ anything, and likely never will.
 
2013-11-29 11:26:34 AM

Aezetyr: I've had a set of Mushkin SSD's in my server for about 2 years... they've gone thru all sorts of abject hell, and they are still kicking (and performing perfectly). Never bought an OCZ anything, and likely never will.


Intel SSD running 24/7 on my PC. OS, Pagefile, etc, etc. All that stuff that "wears out your SSD fast"

/2 years, wear indicator says it's still only 10% worn out.
 
2013-11-29 11:46:23 AM
Sad to see their decline and fall.  FWIW I have been running one of their pcie boards 24/7 for 3 years without a hitch, and another nearly as much for 2 years with no problems. But it's Samsung ssds for now and the future.
 
2013-11-29 12:26:23 PM

fluffy2097: Cyno01: dont know if they tarnished that brand or not...

They put cheap Chinese capacitors in and replaced all the resistors with flashing LED lights that were within 25% tolerance of the resistors they replaced. Then they slapped an OCZ sticker on it and marketed it to gamers by telling them they can overclock their power supply with go faster stickers.


That makes me sad. I've been using one of their power supplies for about 7 years now, and the thing's rock solid. Whose stuff is good these days?
 
2013-11-29 12:35:06 PM

Unobtanium: I was looking at SSD prices the other day; I was considering whether to swap out my laptop's HD, but I'll probably wait until next year after the warranty is out on the laptop.


Don't worry about voiding the warranty.  It's a quick/easy swap for most laptops.  If you need warranty service, just swap the old one back in.
 
2013-11-29 12:36:15 PM

Hand Banana: I still don't trust SSDs yet. When they die (and they will) they are dead, you can't get your data back and you don't get any warning.


Any important data should always be backed up, rendering this moot.
 
2013-11-29 12:40:38 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: TommyymmoT: Oh crap. I JUST bought TWO of those from Newegg.
I haven't even opened the boxes yet.

Send them back for an exchange.  OCZ drives have not been worth purchasing for a while now.


OCZ is the brand for over clocker kiddies.  I have been dealing with their crappy memory being installed in the city network due to the previous IT admins complete lack of understanding on how to spec workstations.  Their memory is crap and their SSDs have a very high failure rate.
 
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