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2013-11-28 05:57:48 PM  
The traffic at the intersection this stadium is being built on was already horrible. This should help push things into parking lot territory.
 
2013-11-28 06:13:28 PM  
It's not entirely taxpayer-funded, subby.  Only the first 300 million or so.
 
2013-11-28 06:37:55 PM  
as a former Braves fan, I can only say I hope this stadium project does what every stadium project does: practically bankrupt some regional government who thinks it provides net growth.

Enjoy having 300 million that was earmarked for something else taken to give a bunch of billionaires welfare, Cobbites
 
2013-11-28 06:41:18 PM  
According to the article it's going to be paid for by tax increases on businesses and tourism, so, at least that's good, it won't fall on the residents to pay for it.
 
2013-11-28 06:43:16 PM  
like the ACA in a parliamentary trick on new years eve.
 
2013-11-28 06:45:15 PM  

Cheeseface: as a former Braves fan, I can only say I hope this stadium project does what every stadium project does: practically bankrupt some regional government who thinks it provides net growth.

Enjoy having 300 million that was earmarked for something else taken to give a bunch of billionaires welfare, Cobbites


Sorry to say but once a team fan always a team fan. There's no cancellation policy. No card you can turn in. Any news item about 'local team' will always turn your head no matter how far you move away.
 
2013-11-28 06:46:17 PM  
Apparently Cobb County had to cut teachers because they couldn't afford them but were able to afford a brand-new stadium for the Braves.

TuteTibiImperes: According to the article it's going to be paid for by tax increases on businesses and tourism, so, at least that's good, it won't fall on the residents to pay for it.


They're just taking it from the revenue that's supposed to pay for the parks there.

The memorandum of understanding between the county, the Cobb-Marietta Coliseum Exhibit Hall Authority and the Braves that was voted on by the commission calls for $300 million in upfront taxpayer support for the stadium. The payment would come from existing property taxes that now pay off debt for park projects and from lodging taxes, a rental car tax and levies on business in a special commercial district around the stadium site.
 
2013-11-28 06:58:09 PM  
Tuesday was the day before Thanksgiving?
 
2013-11-28 06:58:24 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: like the ACA in a parliamentary trick on new years eve.


A lot of political skulduggery goes on before holidays. What's your point?
 
2013-11-28 07:03:21 PM  
I don't get these stadiums. What other commercial business demands the taxpayer be forced to provide them with the store to sell their product in?
 
2013-11-28 07:06:25 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: According to the article it's going to be paid for by tax increases on businesses and tourism, so, at least that's good, it won't fall on the residents to pay for it.


Back when I was a kid, I remember dad packing up the car and driving down to Cobb County for our cherished family vacation.  They had the best Applebee's.  I tell ya, you can't get an Xtreme Cheezy Taco Tower like that anymore.
 
2013-11-28 07:07:31 PM  

Mobius strip of human stupidity: I don't get these stadiums. What other commercial business demands the taxpayer be forced to provide them with the store to sell their product in?


Many do.  A major offender is ....  you might be shocked....
 
2013-11-28 07:09:21 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Mobius strip of human stupidity: I don't get these stadiums. What other commercial business demands the taxpayer be forced to provide them with the store to sell their product in?

Many do.  A major offender is ....  you might be shocked....


Forgot the second part link I meant to give
http://www.walmartsubsidywatch.org/
 
2013-11-28 07:10:37 PM  
Mrtraveler01:

Technically, the county is creating 30 year bonds that will be paid off with those taxes.  From another source.

The county's proposed $300 million share consists of $24 million up-front and $276 million from proceeds of bonds that will be repaid over 30 years from a mix of existing property taxes, existing hotel-motel taxes, a new 3 percent car-rental tax, a new $3-per-night room charge for Cumberland area hotels and a new tax on Cumberland area commercial property and apartment complexes.

I wonder what the rate will be.
 
2013-11-28 07:13:07 PM  
or do like our city and swear tax payer dollars won't be involved even though they will and claim they don't need any stinking vote, then build it anyways against everyones wishes
 
2013-11-28 07:16:07 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Mrtraveler01:

Technically, the county is creating 30 year bonds that will be paid off with those taxes.  From another source.

The county's proposed $300 million share consists of $24 million up-front and $276 million from proceeds of bonds that will be repaid over 30 years from a mix of existing property taxes, existing hotel-motel taxes, a new 3 percent car-rental tax, a new $3-per-night room charge for Cumberland area hotels and a new tax on Cumberland area commercial property and apartment complexes.

I wonder what the rate will be.


Alright, I have to ask this, but who outside of locals would rent a car in Cobb County? It's not even in the same county as Hartsfield-Jackson.

I really hope they aren't expecting much revenue for that.
 
2013-11-28 07:18:32 PM  

unyon: It's not entirely taxpayer-funded, subby.  Only the first 300 million or so.


LOL!
 
2013-11-28 07:19:01 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Mobius strip of human stupidity: I don't get these stadiums. What other commercial business demands the taxpayer be forced to provide them with the store to sell their product in?

Many do.  A major offender is ....  you might be shocked....


Wow, that's asinine.  This is the dreaded "government picking winners and losers" that everyone says they hate.
 
2013-11-28 07:19:15 PM  

Mobius strip of human stupidity: I don't get these stadiums. What other commercial business demands the taxpayer be forced to provide them with the store to sell their product in?


Airlines.
 
2013-11-28 07:20:06 PM  

Nickster79: The traffic at the intersection this stadium is being built on was already horrible. This should help push things into parking lot territory.


Sounds like Dale Mabry, the only road you can get to the Bucs stadium in Tampa. It's a nightmare when there isn't a game.
 
2013-11-28 07:21:22 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Rapmaster2000: Mrtraveler01:

Technically, the county is creating 30 year bonds that will be paid off with those taxes.  From another source.

The county's proposed $300 million share consists of $24 million up-front and $276 million from proceeds of bonds that will be repaid over 30 years from a mix of existing property taxes, existing hotel-motel taxes, a new 3 percent car-rental tax, a new $3-per-night room charge for Cumberland area hotels and a new tax on Cumberland area commercial property and apartment complexes.

I wonder what the rate will be.

Alright, I have to ask this, but who outside of locals would rent a car in Cobb County? It's not even in the same county as Hartsfield-Jackson.

I really hope they aren't expecting much revenue for that.


I believe the plan is that the stadium will create tourism and revenue through development.  Just like the old stadium did for its neighborhood.
 
2013-11-28 07:22:17 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Mrtraveler01: Rapmaster2000: Mrtraveler01:

Technically, the county is creating 30 year bonds that will be paid off with those taxes.  From another source.

The county's proposed $300 million share consists of $24 million up-front and $276 million from proceeds of bonds that will be repaid over 30 years from a mix of existing property taxes, existing hotel-motel taxes, a new 3 percent car-rental tax, a new $3-per-night room charge for Cumberland area hotels and a new tax on Cumberland area commercial property and apartment complexes.

I wonder what the rate will be.

Alright, I have to ask this, but who outside of locals would rent a car in Cobb County? It's not even in the same county as Hartsfield-Jackson.

I really hope they aren't expecting much revenue for that.

I believe the plan is that the stadium will create tourism and revenue through development.  Just like the old stadium did for its neighborhood.


Don't forget the jobs.

Average job created will likely pay $1 million a year.
 
2013-11-28 07:23:59 PM  

Rapmaster2000: believe the plan is that the stadium will create tourism and revenue through development.  Just like the old stadium did for its neighborhood.


Yeah, hasn't he ever played Sim City?
 
2013-11-28 07:26:17 PM  

mcreadyblue: Mobius strip of human stupidity: I don't get these stadiums. What other commercial business demands the taxpayer be forced to provide them with the store to sell their product in?

Airlines.


I suppose one could at least argue that airlines are a useful and vital product, unlike baseball.
 
2013-11-28 07:30:01 PM  

LockeOak: mcreadyblue: Mobius strip of human stupidity: I don't get these stadiums. What other commercial business demands the taxpayer be forced to provide them with the store to sell their product in?

Airlines.

I suppose one could at least argue that airlines provide a useful and vital product, unlike baseball.


FTFM
 
2013-11-28 07:30:49 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Mrtraveler01: Rapmaster2000: Mrtraveler01:

Technically, the county is creating 30 year bonds that will be paid off with those taxes.  From another source.

The county's proposed $300 million share consists of $24 million up-front and $276 million from proceeds of bonds that will be repaid over 30 years from a mix of existing property taxes, existing hotel-motel taxes, a new 3 percent car-rental tax, a new $3-per-night room charge for Cumberland area hotels and a new tax on Cumberland area commercial property and apartment complexes.

I wonder what the rate will be.

Alright, I have to ask this, but who outside of locals would rent a car in Cobb County? It's not even in the same county as Hartsfield-Jackson.

I really hope they aren't expecting much revenue for that.

I believe the plan is that the stadium will create tourism and revenue through development.  Just like the old stadium did for its neighborhood.


Yeah, the Cardinals proposed something similar to this. Shops and restaurants and offices and apartments and the whole gambit.

This is what it was supposed to look like this:

www.dailystatesman.com

It actually ended up looking like this (because of the bubble popping):

respublica.typepad.com

Then they filled the hole in and turned it into parking lot:

bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com

Then after being open for 8 years, the project is finally moving forward (at a much scaled-down version of the original plan) and will look like this:

www.slfp.com

/Long story short, I'm skeptical of the Braves' plans for that area
 
2013-11-28 07:33:44 PM  
All these billions of taxpayer dollars for stadiums?  These sports teams aren't too bootstrappy.
 
2013-11-28 07:49:04 PM  

Job Creator: All these billions of taxpayer dollars for stadiums?  These sports teams aren't too bootstrappy.


They have government sanctioned monopolies as well.

Fun fact: despite making a killing in licensing the NFL does pay taxes since they are technically a nonprofit. They are still a hair better than the NCAA since NFL players get paid well.
 
2013-11-28 08:00:55 PM  

Nickster79: The traffic at the intersection this stadium is being built on was already horrible. This should help push things into parking lot territory.


Good, 'cause I don't see any provision for parking in that render.
 
2013-11-28 08:01:01 PM  

js34603: Tuesday was the day before Thanksgiving?


It's not like anything gets done on Wednesday.
 
2013-11-28 08:05:49 PM  

dionysusaur: Nickster79: The traffic at the intersection this stadium is being built on was already horrible. This should help push things into parking lot territory.

Good, 'cause I don't see any provision for parking in that render.


They're going to have trams.  Not buses, but Disneyland style trams.  So you'll park some ways away, and a tram will pick you up.

The plan is for the "spillover" traffic to park in lots at local malls, hotels, and office parks. From there, fans will take trams to the ballpark. Not buses, as in downtown Atlanta, but "golf-like trams."
 
2013-11-28 08:11:18 PM  
As someone with a vested interest in property in Cobb County, I SO farkING WANT THIS SUBBY.


HAAHAHAHHA

/drinks Champagne
 
2013-11-28 08:12:26 PM  
I reside in Cobb but I won't be here when this shiat goes down thankfully. I expect there will be some type of road rage massacre during the inaugural season at this stadium. I worked about 10m south of the airport and it took an hour and 15 to get home at the end of the workday, and that's using the HOV lanes and going 80 whenever possible. I started coming in later and leaving at 7 just to avoid that shiat. Dealing with even more traffic at Cumberland Blvd and I would definitely have to install machine gun turrets in my car plus a "poison pill" doomsday bomb with remote detonator that I keep on my wrist.
 
2013-11-28 08:18:06 PM  
It's only redistribution of wealth when Those People get the money.
 
2013-11-28 08:18:52 PM  

Cheeseface: as a former Braves fan, I can only say I hope this stadium project does what every stadium project does: practically bankrupt some regional government who thinks it provides net growth.

Enjoy having 300 million that was earmarked for something else taken to give a bunch of billionaires welfare, Cobbites


Oh, don't worry. The people making the decisions here have already positioned themselves to profit somehow. I'll be the poor, the children and the elderly who will get screwed. Just like always.
 
2013-11-28 08:19:06 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Yeah, the Cardinals proposed something similar to this. Shops and restaurants and offices and apartments and the whole gambit.


At least it is in/near the city center. Stadiums built far from the city center are infinitely more hopeless
 
2013-11-28 08:27:37 PM  
People still go to baseball games?
 
2013-11-28 08:29:53 PM  
Whoa!...Fark certainly has a hard on for this new Braves stadium....how many threads
is this now?
 
2013-11-28 08:34:29 PM  

Cheeseface: as a former Braves fan, I can only say I hope this stadium project does what every stadium project does: practically bankrupt some regional government who thinks it provides net growth.

Enjoy having 300 million that was earmarked for something else taken to give a bunch of billionaires welfare, Cobbites


"Jobs" and "economic benefit" is just the public excuse that's always used. The real reason is pols getting greased by the gazillionaires, plus the skyboxes "the city" gets where selfsame pols and their guests get to hog down the free buffet food and watch the games. San Diego signed up for one of those deals, which was the worst in the known universe. Somehow the Spanos family (Chargers owners) conned the city into picking up the tab for unsold seats, for God's sake. The only bright spot was that when the public figured out how bad it was, and how much the city was spending on the ticket guarantee, it ended then-mayor Susan Golding's career. A few years too late, unfortunately.
 
2013-11-28 08:34:34 PM  

unyon: It's not entirely taxpayer-funded, subby.  Only the first 300 million or so.


Just like the Falcon's stadium will only cost the public $200,000,000 but will really be somewhere around $940,000,000, the Cobb Braves deal is full of extras that are going to run the cost up. Both the Falcons and the Braves have been smart to say they're responsible for cost overruns on construction but then also pack the agreements full of back channel ways of sucking in more public money. Peach Pundit has a break down of the costs of the deal revealed so far. As one of the commenters on that site posted, the Braves are negotiating like business owners, the county commission is negotiating like sports fans. The county is getting taken to the cleaners while the public is being told to shutup and be grateful for the added burden.
 
2013-11-28 08:38:41 PM  
farm4.staticflickr.com

bigsteve3OOO is a complete farking liar.
 
2013-11-28 09:41:15 PM  

EngineerAU: unyon: It's not entirely taxpayer-funded, subby.  Only the first 300 million or so.

Just like the Falcon's stadium will only cost the public $200,000,000 but will really be somewhere around $940,000,000, the Cobb Braves deal is full of extras that are going to run the cost up. Both the Falcons and the Braves have been smart to say they're responsible for cost overruns on construction but then also pack the agreements full of back channel ways of sucking in more public money. Peach Pundit has a break down of the costs of the deal revealed so far. As one of the commenters on that site posted, the Braves are negotiating like business owners, the county commission is negotiating like sports fans. The county is getting taken to the cleaners while the public is being told to shutup and be grateful for the added burden.


The extra police and the new anti-terrorism division will suck up a lot of county money along with the new police tanks and fire engines for the nearby towns.
 
2013-11-28 09:42:32 PM  
Look: They needed more parking space. Simple as that.

Sure, this stadium will have 2500 FEWER parking spots, but that is actually more.

Quit complaining.
 
2013-11-28 09:43:28 PM  
Did this headline accidentally the whole thing?

Or am I reading that wrong?
 
2013-11-28 09:46:03 PM  
Ah, nvm, yes. Missing a "for" or maybe an "on".

Sorry to threadjack.

Thanksdrinking.
 
2013-11-28 09:46:18 PM  
I reside in Cobb and work in Fulton.  Unless I'm heading to the airport or elsewhere on vacation I generally don't take that stretch of I-75.  If I'm not paying additional taxes, I couldn't care less what they do down there.

They will be adding the HOV lanes around the time of the new stadium.  If they are smart they will add an entrance ramp to the HOV lanes.  Between that, I-75, 285, Cobb Parkway, and a few 'secret' roads it shouldn't be that terrible to get out of there.

There would have been MARTA at the Ted, but back when Fulton County owned Fulton County Stadium, they owned the parking lots too and didn't want MARTA to compete with them.
 
2013-11-28 10:21:05 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: According to the article it's going to be paid for by tax increases on businesses and tourism, so, at least that's good, it won't fall on the residents to pay for it.


No, it's going to be paid for by either taking out a loan, or withdrawing $300 million from Cobb County's bank account.  That money will supposedly be paid back for by "existing property taxes that now pay off debt for park projects and from lodging taxes, a rental car tax and levies on business in a special commercial district around the stadium site."

They're basically spending taxes that are already earmarked to pay off other debts to finance new debts.  Which they don't even need because they're nothing wrong with the teams current home at Turner Field.  Or at least, nothing I can think of that's worth a third of a billion dollars to fix.
 
2013-11-28 10:23:56 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Mrtraveler01: Rapmaster2000: Mrtraveler01:

Technically, the county is creating 30 year bonds that will be paid off with those taxes.  From another source.

The county's proposed $300 million share consists of $24 million up-front and $276 million from proceeds of bonds that will be repaid over 30 years from a mix of existing property taxes, existing hotel-motel taxes, a new 3 percent car-rental tax, a new $3-per-night room charge for Cumberland area hotels and a new tax on Cumberland area commercial property and apartment complexes.

I wonder what the rate will be.

Alright, I have to ask this, but who outside of locals would rent a car in Cobb County? It's not even in the same county as Hartsfield-Jackson.

I really hope they aren't expecting much revenue for that.

I believe the plan is that the stadium will create tourism and revenue through development.  Just like the old stadium did for its neighborhood.


The old stadium created tourism and development for the local neighborhood?  Then 2017 is going to absolutely suck for anyone with a restaurant there.
 
2013-11-28 10:25:26 PM  
First, I am not a fan of this project, or the one to replace the GA Dome.

But, Tuesday is not the day before Thanksgiving AND the commission meeting on Tuesday was packed with both supporters and those opposed to the project.

I cannot imagine how the engineers/planners are going to work this so traffic will flow on gameday.  The good news is, I-75 in that area can serve as the parking lot, so they will save money there.
 
2013-11-28 10:29:09 PM  

Mobius strip of human stupidity: I don't get these stadiums. What other commercial business demands the taxpayer be forced to provide them with the store to sell their product in?


Maybe they don't demand the store itself, but many businesses that fight against increasing the minimum wage, providing health insurance, etc. are basically demanding the same handout.  The taxpayers pay their employees in the form of SNAP, welfare, and other social services because the business doesn't have to pay a living wage for its workers.  But it's not socialism when fortune 100 companies want a gubmint handout, only when the poor want one.
 
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