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(Washington Times)   Long may it wave? Maybe not. Stars and Stripes - the military newspaper founded during the Civil War - now in the Battle of the Budget Cuts   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 58
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2013-11-28 11:49:20 AM
Who needs objective journalism in the American military? Nothing bad ever happens, right?
 
2013-11-28 12:08:01 PM

AirForceVet: Who needs objective journalism in the American military? Nothing bad ever happens, right?


Journalists from privately owned papers still report on the military and are embedded in war. As well as that, Stars and Stripes really doesn't print ground breaking stories. Its pretty much mostly fluff and propaganda
 
2013-11-28 12:13:07 PM
I always thought of it as a training ground for journalists. They gotta learn their craft.
 
2013-11-28 12:33:18 PM
Please no! This was the only thing to keep me sane while stationed in South Korea with my dad (Army) in the 80s. I discovered Bloom County in that paper!
 
2013-11-28 01:11:13 PM
Sell it off to Rupert Murdoch.
 
2013-11-28 01:39:07 PM
I'm all for it.  We need to kill the Stars and Stripes, close commissaries, and cut all the pay and benefits we can to protect our job-creating defense contractors.
 
2013-11-28 01:44:50 PM
How bout ending both S&S AND the Washington Times?
 
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2013-11-28 01:58:25 PM
Well, the 256th Bombardment Squadron is never going to make it into The Stars and Stripes now!
 
2013-11-28 02:54:48 PM

cman: Journalists from privately owned papers

...

Stop right there and think for a minute.
 
2013-11-28 03:45:28 PM

cman: AirForceVet: Who needs objective journalism in the American military? Nothing bad ever happens, right?

Journalists from privately owned papers still report on the military and are embedded in war. As well as that, Stars and Stripes really doesn't print ground breaking stories. Its pretty much mostly fluff and propaganda


Yes corporate journalists are embedded in units during war, but what about in peacetime?

Me, I liked reading the S&S in Germany, England, Korea, other overseas deployments and now that I've retired. Also, they do do investigative stories on the military and address military unique issues like sexual abuse and harassment in the services.

The cuts discussed like this show how unpatriotic many Americans are. Instead of raising taxes to pay for 2 wars, they welcomed tax cuts in 2001 & 2003 while other peoples' kids fought in those wars. Now, over 12 years later, those same "American patriots" are wanting more tax cuts on the backs of the poor, disabled, elderly, vets and active duty service members.

THIS ... is why Republicans, especially Teabaggers, disgust me at times.
 
2013-11-28 03:59:26 PM
The important thing is that cut solves once and for all the need to ever talk about defense dollars spent.
 
2013-11-28 04:00:04 PM
I'm sure the Washington Times was just as upset about cutting funding for PBS right?
 
2013-11-28 04:01:00 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The important thing is that cut solves once and for all the need to ever talk about defense dollars spent.


Well of course.  That defense contract money pit is funding jobs somewhere right?
 
2013-11-28 04:04:19 PM
I just thought it was more like a newsletter than an actual newspaper.
 
2013-11-28 04:04:45 PM

AirForceVet: The cuts discussed like this show how unpatriotic many Americans are. Instead of raising taxes to pay for 2 wars, they welcomed tax cuts in 2001 & 2003 while other peoples' kids fought in those wars. Now, over 12 years later, those same "American patriots" are wanting more tax cuts on the backs of the poor, disabled, elderly, vets and active duty service members.


This is why Republicans can eat a dick.  When I was deployed I never felt like a Chinese-made yellow ribbon magnet on the back of a minivan was actually supporting me.

If you don't want to pay for your war, you don't support your troops.  Yes, it really is that simple.
 
2013-11-28 04:12:06 PM
 4212. Basic Military Journalism. You gotta be shiattin' me, Joker. You think you're Mickey Spillane? You think you're some kind of a farkin' writer?
 
2013-11-28 04:14:25 PM
So Patton finally gets his revenge on Mauldin.
 
2013-11-28 04:26:36 PM

doyner: AirForceVet: The cuts discussed like this show how unpatriotic many Americans are. Instead of raising taxes to pay for 2 wars, they welcomed tax cuts in 2001 & 2003 while other peoples' kids fought in those wars. Now, over 12 years later, those same "American patriots" are wanting more tax cuts on the backs of the poor, disabled, elderly, vets and active duty service members.

This is why Republicans can eat a dick.  When I was deployed I never felt like a Chinese-made yellow ribbon magnet on the back of a minivan was actually supporting me.

If you don't want to pay for your war, you don't support your troops.  Yes, it really is that simple.


Very well said, but even when the coffers open and the silver comes, not everyone "supports" their troops.

www.instash.com
 
2013-11-28 04:26:56 PM

doyner: AirForceVet: The cuts discussed like this show how unpatriotic many Americans are. Instead of raising taxes to pay for 2 wars, they welcomed tax cuts in 2001 & 2003 while other peoples' kids fought in those wars. Now, over 12 years later, those same "American patriots" are wanting more tax cuts on the backs of the poor, disabled, elderly, vets and active duty service members.

This is why Republicans can eat a dick.  When I was deployed I never felt like a Chinese-made yellow ribbon magnet on the back of a minivan was actually supporting me.


Turned sideways because JESUS.
 
2013-11-28 04:37:25 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Please no! This was the only thing to keep me sane while stationed in South Korea with my dad (Army) in the 80s. I discovered Bloom County in that paper!


I feel like most of the people expressing outrage could similarly date their experience.
 
2013-11-28 04:47:23 PM
The generals/admirals will not lift a finger to save S&S.  They have done some excellent investigative journalism in the past, and people with stars have very long memories.  It's a shame; S&S was something I looked forward to every day on my overseas tours.
 
2013-11-28 04:47:56 PM
When I was in the Nam back in 1968, I could give a shiat about S&S as long as I still kept receiving my copies of Playboy, Ramparts and Creem kept getting to me.
 
2013-11-28 04:52:55 PM

Churchill2004: SecretAgentWoman: Please no! This was the only thing to keep me sane while stationed in South Korea with my dad (Army) in the 80s. I discovered Bloom County in that paper!

I feel like most of the people expressing outrage could similarly date their experience.


OK. Stars and Stripes was a welcome distraction and morale booster when I served 1982-88 and 2007 to present.

Here's a link to the article they did on our cat:

http://www.stripes.com/news/photo-of-soldier-furry-friend-makes-a-vi ra l-splash-on-the-web-1.206288
 
2013-11-28 04:59:15 PM
A good start. Now get rid of the bands too.
 
2013-11-28 05:06:22 PM
Heh. "Budget cuts."

I wonder if they cut one drone how many years Stars and Stripes and the Pentagon Channel could run?
 
2013-11-28 05:11:04 PM
I'm not in the military and I can't read, why should my tax dollars go to support that rag?
 
2013-11-28 05:19:03 PM
Hey, those tax cuts won't pay for themselves.....wait a minute.
 
2013-11-28 05:20:59 PM
I bet the Republicans are up in arms about this. Just like the Post office cuts being suggested.

They always want cuts but then butt hurt if anything they like get's cut.
 
2013-11-28 05:22:41 PM

whidbey: Heh. "Budget cuts."

I wonder if they cut one drone how many years Stars and Stripes and the Pentagon Channel could run?


Right because it's so much cheaper to invade countries or send in manned missions to attack people then sending in a drone.

You do understand if they didn't use drones they wouldn't just not go after military targets right?
 
2013-11-28 05:26:23 PM

Corvus: I bet the Republicans are up in arms about this. Just like the Post office cuts being suggested.

They always want cuts but then butt hurt if anything they like get's cut.


Of course, just like democrats are butt hurt when anything they like gets cut? And "get's" cut? What are you twelve?

/No apostrophe needed
 
2013-11-28 05:27:39 PM
I hate to be the guy who actually says this but this is the very definition of "this why we can't have nice things"
 
2013-11-28 05:29:15 PM

AirForceVet: cman: AirForceVet: Who needs objective journalism in the American military? Nothing bad ever happens, right?

Journalists from privately owned papers still report on the military and are embedded in war. As well as that, Stars and Stripes really doesn't print ground breaking stories. Its pretty much mostly fluff and propaganda

Yes corporate journalists are embedded in units during war, but what about in peacetime?

Me, I liked reading the S&S in Germany, England, Korea, other overseas deployments and now that I've retired. Also, they do do investigative stories on the military and address military unique issues like sexual abuse and harassment in the services.

The cuts discussed like this show how unpatriotic many Americans are. Instead of raising taxes to pay for 2 wars, they welcomed tax cuts in 2001 & 2003 while other peoples' kids fought in those wars. Now, over 12 years later, those same "American patriots" are wanting more tax cuts on the backs of the poor, disabled, elderly, vets and active duty service members.

THIS ... is why Republicans, especially Teabaggers, disgust me at times.


Only at times?
 
2013-11-28 05:44:01 PM

Churchill2004: SecretAgentWoman: Please no! This was the only thing to keep me sane while stationed in South Korea with my dad (Army) in the 80s. I discovered Bloom County in that paper!

I feel like most of the people expressing outrage could similarly date their experience.


There's a lot of truth to that.  S&S was big in my life from 82-86 when I was in London and from 88-90 in Italy...  Not so much since I joined in '97.
 
2013-11-28 05:46:37 PM

Corvus: I bet the Republicans are up in arms about this. Just like the Post office cuts being suggested.


What Post Office cuts? The USPS doesn't get any money from the government (except for money borrowed from the Treasury, but it has to pay that back). Or did you mean service cuts?
 
2013-11-28 06:14:30 PM
Anyone who saw Good Morning Vietnam should take that as a pretty good take on how the editorial policy at S&S and AFRTS works.  They are the voice of the military establishment.

On a serious note, in the 21st century I don't think they serve a useful purpose.  You can read your home town newpaper every day online.  No more week or two delay while your newspapers were mailed to you.  It has outlived it's usefulness.  Unless it's true purpose is to provide a conduit for the official views of the command structure.
 
2013-11-28 06:15:51 PM
www.loc.gov

Frowning on these shenanigans...
 
2013-11-28 06:58:46 PM

glmorrs1: AirForceVet: cman: AirForceVet: Who needs objective journalism in the American military? Nothing bad ever happens, right?

Journalists from privately owned papers still report on the military and are embedded in war. As well as that, Stars and Stripes really doesn't print ground breaking stories. Its pretty much mostly fluff and propaganda

Yes corporate journalists are embedded in units during war, but what about in peacetime?

Me, I liked reading the S&S in Germany, England, Korea, other overseas deployments and now that I've retired. Also, they do do investigative stories on the military and address military unique issues like sexual abuse and harassment in the services.

The cuts discussed like this show how unpatriotic many Americans are. Instead of raising taxes to pay for 2 wars, they welcomed tax cuts in 2001 & 2003 while other peoples' kids fought in those wars. Now, over 12 years later, those same "American patriots" are wanting more tax cuts on the backs of the poor, disabled, elderly, vets and active duty service members.

THIS ... is why Republicans, especially Teabaggers, disgust me at times.

Only at times?


Well not all Republicans are bad, and while i disagree with them on a lot of issues, holding hate against them leads one down the path of the dark side.
 
2013-11-28 07:13:54 PM

AnonAmbientLight: glmorrs1: AirForceVet: cman: AirForceVet: Who needs objective journalism in the American military? Nothing bad ever happens, right?

Journalists from privately owned papers still report on the military and are embedded in war. As well as that, Stars and Stripes really doesn't print ground breaking stories. Its pretty much mostly fluff and propaganda

Yes corporate journalists are embedded in units during war, but what about in peacetime?

Me, I liked reading the S&S in Germany, England, Korea, other overseas deployments and now that I've retired. Also, they do do investigative stories on the military and address military unique issues like sexual abuse and harassment in the services.

The cuts discussed like this show how unpatriotic many Americans are. Instead of raising taxes to pay for 2 wars, they welcomed tax cuts in 2001 & 2003 while other peoples' kids fought in those wars. Now, over 12 years later, those same "American patriots" are wanting more tax cuts on the backs of the poor, disabled, elderly, vets and active duty service members.

THIS ... is why Republicans, especially Teabaggers, disgust me at times.

Only at times?

Well not all Republicans are bad, and while i disagree with them on a lot of issues, holding hate against them leads one down the path of the dark side.


JUST what Darth Cheney wants!

/more machine now than man, twisted and evil
 
2013-11-28 07:19:49 PM
Private Joker reporting for duty.
 
2013-11-28 07:36:26 PM

Phony_Soldier: Corvus: I bet the Republicans are up in arms about this. Just like the Post office cuts being suggested.

They always want cuts but then butt hurt if anything they like get's cut.

Of course, just like democrats are butt hurt when anything they like gets cut? And "get's" cut? What are you twelve?

/No apostrophe needed


And the Democrats are the one demanding deep cuts in government spending? You seemed to kind of missed that important part of what I said didn't you?

"No apostrophe needed " you aware sentences actually need verbs?
 
2013-11-28 07:37:30 PM

fusillade762: Corvus: I bet the Republicans are up in arms about this. Just like the Post office cuts being suggested.

What Post Office cuts? The USPS doesn't get any money from the government (except for money borrowed from the Treasury, but it has to pay that back). Or did you mean service cuts?


http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-08-01/postal-s er vice-rural-cutbacks-post-office/56669252/1
 
2013-11-28 07:38:07 PM
How much is the budget for the magazine?
 
2013-11-28 07:55:55 PM
Since that last three wars we fought were to keep the oil flowing, a nickel surcharge on a gallon of gasoline could keep Stars and Stripes afloat.
Then add a couple bucks a gallon for the defense department and we're all set.
 
2013-11-28 08:20:59 PM
Sorry General... they got this here depression on.

Cut the newspaper.
 
2013-11-28 08:59:58 PM
These are not the military budget cuts that Liberals were looking for.

How many fiscal years of S&S does a Zumwalt cost, anyway?
 
2013-11-28 09:04:52 PM

AirForceVet: cman: AirForceVet: Who needs objective journalism in the American military? Nothing bad ever happens, right?

Journalists from privately owned papers still report on the military and are embedded in war. As well as that, Stars and Stripes really doesn't print ground breaking stories. Its pretty much mostly fluff and propaganda

Yes corporate journalists are embedded in units during war, but what about in peacetime?

Me, I liked reading the S&S in Germany, England, Korea, other overseas deployments and now that I've retired. Also, they do do investigative stories on the military and address military unique issues like sexual abuse and harassment in the services.

The cuts discussed like this show how unpatriotic many Americans are. Instead of raising taxes to pay for 2 wars, they welcomed tax cuts in 2001 & 2003 while other peoples' kids fought in those wars. Now, over 12 years later, those same "American patriots" are wanting more tax cuts on the backs of the poor, disabled, elderly, vets and active duty service members.

THIS ... is why Republicans, especially Teabaggers, disgust me at times.


Army Times is 1,000 times better at muckraking than the S&S.
 
2013-11-28 09:07:29 PM
Well, if we cut Stars & Stripes, we can afford to pay for the tanks, planes, and subs that the Pentagon continues to say that they don't want!

/freedom
 
2013-11-28 09:25:30 PM

olderbudnoweiser: doyner: AirForceVet: The cuts discussed like this show how unpatriotic many Americans are. Instead of raising taxes to pay for 2 wars, they welcomed tax cuts in 2001 & 2003 while other peoples' kids fought in those wars. Now, over 12 years later, those same "American patriots" are wanting more tax cuts on the backs of the poor, disabled, elderly, vets and active duty service members.

This is why Republicans can eat a dick.  When I was deployed I never felt like a Chinese-made yellow ribbon magnet on the back of a minivan was actually supporting me.

Turned sideways because JESUS.


Wait. That's a thing?

/I have a yellow ribbon on my car. Got it at a VFW fundraiser.
//4 years and two deployments (Kosovo and Iraq) for me.
 
2013-11-28 11:41:36 PM

Churchill2004: SecretAgentWoman: Please no! This was the only thing to keep me sane while stationed in South Korea with my dad (Army) in the 80s. I discovered Bloom County in that paper!

I feel like most of the people expressing outrage could similarly date their experience.


Yeah, though I was in Korea with my dad in '95. When we moved there, there was one tv station in English (AFRTS) on a tiny base (Camp Hialeah, something like 0.2 square miles). So reading was just something to do to kill the time, especially in winter. But even while I was living there they introduced basic cable and BBS access reducing boredom levels quite a bit.

Of course now the base is gone and that makes me feel old, especially since the base we moved to afterwards is also now gone.
 
2013-11-29 12:14:04 AM

mgshamster: Wait. That's a thing?


www.xeromag.com

Turn it to the right because SOCIALISM.

/Thank you for your service.
 
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