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(Opposing Views)   Family of 10-year-old cancer patient flees the United States so a.) she can get a second opinion, b.) she can get treatment, or c.) she *can't* get treatment?   (opposingviews.com) divider line 173
    More: Asinine, United States, Sarah Hershberger, cancers  
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2013-11-28 01:23:32 PM
So the parents are not only idiots, they're going to murder their child because of their beliefs as well.

Good to know.

And this isn't something with a 3% survival rate. It's not Stage IV Pancreatic Cancer. It's childhood leukemia. Which has almost a 95% chance of five year survival with treatment.
 
2013-11-28 01:27:52 PM
Sarah Hershberger did not flee.  She was kidnapped.
 
2013-11-28 01:29:30 PM
FTFA: "They don't want Sarah to be taken away," attorney Maurice Thompson said.

And yet, death shall claim her soon & take her away.  Mmm-kay then.  Anyone who wishes death by (curable) cancer on their child.... just wow.  Makes you wonder if they've ever actually watched someone die from it.
 
2013-11-28 01:30:07 PM
Sorry you lose the right to keep your children.
 
2013-11-28 01:30:16 PM

JosephFinn: Sarah Hershberger did not flee.  She was kidnapped.


Done in 2.
 
2013-11-28 01:32:03 PM
They couldn't have gotten too far.
 
2013-11-28 01:33:37 PM

LisaNeedsBraces: FTFA: "They don't want Sarah to be taken away," attorney Maurice Thompson said.

And yet, death shall claim her soon & take her away.  Mmm-kay then.  Anyone who wishes death by (curable) cancer on their child.... just wow.  Makes you wonder if they've ever actually watched someone die from it.


Jesus's will. How dare you question God.
 
2013-11-28 01:35:15 PM
A man was sitting on top of a roof after a massive flood. A rowboat comes by and says "hey, I can rescue you" and the man replies "Thanks, but we're waiting for god to save us." A while later, as the water keeps rising, and another boat comes by, same conversation. Finally, the water is up to the roof and a helicopter comes by, same conversation. Then, the water covers the roof and the man drowns. He gets to heaven and asks god "Why didn't you save me from the flood?" and god says "You idiot, I sent 2 boats and a helicopter to save your dumb ass"

That's what this family reminds me of.
 
2013-11-28 01:37:10 PM
 
2013-11-28 01:37:14 PM
dudelol.com
/There is not enough popcorn in the world.
 
2013-11-28 01:38:40 PM

LisaNeedsBraces: FTFA: "They don't want Sarah to be taken away," attorney Maurice Thompson said.

And yet, death shall claim her soon & take her away.  Mmm-kay then.  Anyone who wishes death by (curable) cancer on their child.... just wow.  Makes you wonder if they've ever actually watched someone die from it.


The people selling these bunk treatments should be charged too if she dies.
 
2013-11-28 01:38:40 PM
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2013-11-28 01:39:18 PM
The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.

/Charge the parents with murder
//If she dies, she dies
 
2013-11-28 01:40:51 PM

my alt's alt's alt: Here, take a look at the other side of the story: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/family-of-amish-girl-who-fled-the-co u ntry-to-avoid-forced-experimental-chemo-tells-their-side-of-the-story/


There's nothing "experimental" about chemotherapy used to treat childhood leukemias. And "experimental therapies" cannot be forced on patients without consent - it's a violation of federal law and ethical guidelines regarding human experimentation.

Seriously. I'm 10 miles away from St. Jude. They pioneered the work in the 70s, 80s, and 90s for childhood leukemia treatment. 95% five year survival rate, versus sure death.
 
2013-11-28 01:44:16 PM

my alt's alt's alt: Here, take a look at the other side of the story: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/family-of-amish-girl-who-fled-the-co u ntry-to-avoid-forced-experimental-chemo-tells-their-side-of-the-story/


Oh that was a great read. Almost funny if some 10 year old wasn't going to be dead soon.
 
2013-11-28 01:44:23 PM

houstondragon: The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.

/Charge the parents with murder
//If she dies, she dies


They're Amish, not Drakh.
 
2013-11-28 01:45:18 PM

MFAWG: They couldn't have gotten too far.


They may have made it to Canada by now.

If they're heading to Mexiico, however, I'd place them somewhere in southern Missiouri./ northern Arkansas.
 
2013-11-28 01:46:25 PM
now imagine the company you work for is either owned by or gets bought out by a Christian Scientist or an Amish family and they decide that they don't want your health insurance plan to cover stuff like this or blood transfusions or psychiatric care.
 
2013-11-28 01:47:29 PM
And if the DCFS (or equivalent in Ohio) reports it to the FBI, since they'd been given limited Guardianship, they could actually send the FBI after them.
 
2013-11-28 01:47:52 PM

my alt's alt's alt: Here, take a look at the other side of the story: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/family-of-amish-girl-who-fled-the-co u ntry-to-avoid-forced-experimental-chemo-tells-their-side-of-the-story/


Huh.  That is interesting.  Sounds like a case of Doc-is-God ran out of control, the hospital got into court and just wouldn't take no for an answer, 5 times in a row.  Not to mention child protective services didn't want anything to do with it until the sixth court ordered it, it was an experimental protocol, and the hospital now wants to back out.

Plus they took her there and started treatments to begin with.   Not quite a christian-scientists won't let their kid be treated for measles and they're dying story.
 
2013-11-28 01:48:26 PM
Let me guess. Her parents want to treat her with coconut oil. Seriously, that stuff cures, like, everything.
 
2013-11-28 01:48:29 PM

Hobodeluxe: now imagine the company you work for is either owned by or gets bought out by a Christian Scientist or an Amish family and they decide that they don't want your health insurance plan to cover stuff like this or blood transfusions or psychiatric care.


I'd take cash value for the plan they were eliminating and go out and buy one on my own.
 
2013-11-28 01:50:22 PM

Hobodeluxe: now imagine the company you work for is either owned by or gets bought out by a Christian Scientist or an Amish family and they decide that they don't want your health insurance plan to cover stuff like this or blood transfusions or psychiatric care.


Usually the Amish DON'T pull this shiat, it's a very odd case.
 
2013-11-28 01:50:27 PM
This is my near me and in my local paper. I'm surprised at how many local rubes support this. The chemo made her feel bad, so the kid didn't want to do anymore. The parents said OK. 85% survival rate according to the hospital. But the girl can make her own decisions, according to idiots around me. I feel bad for her. The hospital would have let her alive, but we can't have the "nanny state" making her dicisions! They're evil!
 
2013-11-28 01:53:23 PM

TheZorker: And if the DCFS (or equivalent in Ohio) reports it to the FBI, since they'd been given limited Guardianship, they could actually send the FBI after them.


Fark them. This is a job for the Gosh Darn Batkid.
 
2013-11-28 01:54:17 PM
Darwin in action.
 
2013-11-28 01:54:29 PM
I unsure how I feel about this.

Children dieing needlessly, bad.

Eliminating dumbasses who believe in alternative "medicine," good.
 
2013-11-28 01:56:44 PM

TomD9938: I'd take cash value for the plan they were eliminating and go out and buy one on my own.


Keep in mind, the same people who are trying to make it so the company owners can impose their religious belief's on you also want to make it so there's no open market for healthcare AND so that you can be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions.

And I've never heard of a company offering you the cash equivalent of their share of the healthcare plan if you decide not to take part.
 
2013-11-28 01:56:49 PM

rustypouch: I unsure how I feel about this.

Children dieing needlessly, bad.

Eliminating dumbasses who believe in alternative "medicine," good.


Only the 10 year old dies you realise, not the parents?
 
2013-11-28 01:56:54 PM

Bacontastesgood: my alt's alt's alt: Here, take a look at the other side of the story: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/family-of-amish-girl-who-fled-the-co u ntry-to-avoid-forced-experimental-chemo-tells-their-side-of-the-story/

Huh.  That is interesting.  Sounds like a case of Doc-is-God ran out of control, the hospital got into court and just wouldn't take no for an answer, 5 times in a row.  Not to mention child protective services didn't want anything to do with it until the sixth court ordered it, it was an experimental protocol, and the hospital now wants to back out.

Plus they took her there and started treatments to begin with.   Not quite a christian-scientists won't let their kid be treated for measles and they're dying story.


Or it could be that you're being lied to by a alt med site trying to solicit donations to help them kill their kid.

There's also that.
 
2013-11-28 01:57:13 PM

my alt's alt's alt: Here, take a look at the other side of the story: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/family-of-amish-girl-who-fled-the-co u ntry-to-avoid-forced-experimental-chemo-tells-their-side-of-the-story/


A quack medicine website calling it "experimental"?  That's a laugh.  Do they claim Steve Jobs as a success story?
 
2013-11-28 01:59:47 PM

Bungles: rustypouch: I unsure how I feel about this.

Children dieing needlessly, bad.

Eliminating dumbasses who believe in alternative "medicine," good.

Only the 10 year old dies you realise, not the parents?


The child is related to the parents and may carry the dumbass gene.
 
2013-11-28 02:00:29 PM
Something's definitely Amish here.....
 
2013-11-28 02:00:31 PM

Russ1642: The child is related to the parents and may carry the dumbass gene.


So, just to be clear, a 10 year old child who has no choice in this matter dying a horrible death is a good thing to you?

That's pretty sociopathic.
 
2013-11-28 02:00:44 PM
Parents are idiots

Send a taxi to pick the kid up to take her to the hospital? Government is also an idiot.
 
2013-11-28 02:03:03 PM

hardinparamedic: Russ1642: The child is related to the parents and may carry the dumbass gene.

So, just to be clear, a 10 year old child who has no choice in this matter dying a horrible death is a good thing to you?

That's pretty sociopathic.


How do I know you didn't read the article?
 
2013-11-28 02:03:56 PM

hardinparamedic: Russ1642: The child is related to the parents and may carry the dumbass gene.

So, just to be clear, a 10 year old child who has no choice in this matter dying a horrible death is a good thing to you?

That's pretty sociopathic.


Not a good thing. I'm all for taking the kid away and treating them.

But it is true that this is how natural selection sometimes works. A parent kills their child because they themselves have a fault. Nobody said it was going to be pretty.
 
2013-11-28 02:04:23 PM

Active introvert: Parents are idiots

Send a taxi to pick the kid up to take her to the hospital? Government is also an idiot.



Presumably the taxi was for her and her parents. How would you wish she was transported there for cancer treatment? A 6 hour horse-and-cart ride there and back?
 
2013-11-28 02:05:45 PM

Russ1642: hardinparamedic: Russ1642: The child is related to the parents and may carry the dumbass gene.

So, just to be clear, a 10 year old child who has no choice in this matter dying a horrible death is a good thing to you?

That's pretty sociopathic.

Not a good thing. I'm all for taking the kid away and treating them.

But it is true that this is how natural selection sometimes works. A parent kills their child because they themselves have a fault. Nobody said it was going to be pretty.


For a 10 year old in 2013, it's very likely she'll only be Amish "culturally" and not actually practicing by the time she's 25.
 
2013-11-28 02:06:36 PM

Bungles: Presumably the taxi was for her and her parents. How would you wish she was transported there for cancer treatment? A 6 hour horse-and-cart ride there and back?


I think he was assuming that ONLY the kid would be allowed on the taxi.
 
2013-11-28 02:08:44 PM

Bungles: Russ1642: hardinparamedic: Russ1642: The child is related to the parents and may carry the dumbass gene.

So, just to be clear, a 10 year old child who has no choice in this matter dying a horrible death is a good thing to you?

That's pretty sociopathic.

Not a good thing. I'm all for taking the kid away and treating them.

But it is true that this is how natural selection sometimes works. A parent kills their child because they themselves have a fault. Nobody said it was going to be pretty.

For a 10 year old in 2013, it's very likely she'll only be Amish "culturally" and not actually practicing by the time she's 25.


But it's harder to make it to 25 when you're Amish, ain't it? Decades of inbreeding don't exactly strengthen the gene pool.
 
2013-11-28 02:09:39 PM

Satanic_Hamster: And I've never heard of a company offering you the cash equivalent of their share of the healthcare plan if you decide not to take part


Then I'm being asked to take a pay cut and probably a substantial one (recall the hypothetical was that they were removing an existing plan).

The last time a pay cut was put in front of me, by an employer who shall remain nameless, is the last time I quit a job.

/ it was Best Buy Co.
 
2013-11-28 02:12:23 PM

Bungles: Active introvert: Parents are idiots

Send a taxi to pick the kid up to take her to the hospital? Government is also an idiot.


Presumably the taxi was for her and her parents. How would you wish she was transported there for cancer treatment? A 6 hour horse-and-cart ride there and back?


The government kind of already proven they did want the parents involved but yes, I made that assumption. I just got this vision in my head of a yellow cab pulling up and honking the horn and the little girl wondering out all along, clutching a doll. One would think that a being a ward of the state, they would have sent a social worker to guide the child through process. But now that I think of it, a cabbie would have been more caring and less traumatizing then a social worker.
 
2013-11-28 02:12:53 PM
My oldest son was falsely diagnosed with leukemia when he was 9 months old.  When we received the initial diagnosis the only thought going through the wife's and my minds was getting him treated regardless of what it would do to our finances, lives etc.  We were then sent to to see specialists at a children's hospital several hours from here and were eternally grateful and relieved to be told the initial diagnosis was wrong.  It is beyond me how a loving parent can be told their child will die without proper medical care and then decide to sit back and see what happens.
 
2013-11-28 02:12:59 PM
There really do need to be exceptions for the Freedom of Religion when religion poses a clear and mortal threat to the lives of children.
 
2013-11-28 02:13:10 PM

hardinparamedic: Or it could be that you're being lied to by a alt med site trying to solicit donations to help them kill their kid.


Sure, that site is crap, but so is Opposing Views.  Did they really make up all that about the courts ruling for the parents and CPS saying no thanks?  Apparently not, since it's on other news sites.

Also even the hospital involved didn't give her the same chances you do - it's said 85%.  That's pretty good, but still russian roulette territory.

In short, maybe you should farking chill out before your rage over this consumes you.
 
2013-11-28 02:14:20 PM

rustypouch: hardinparamedic: Russ1642: The child is related to the parents and may carry the dumbass gene.

So, just to be clear, a 10 year old child who has no choice in this matter dying a horrible death is a good thing to you?

That's pretty sociopathic.

How do I know you didn't read the article?


I did read the article. A 10 year old who's been brainwashed by altmed and "gubament going to come and experiment on you" lunacy since he was small has no choice in the matter. 

This is literally a case of "You either get better with treatment, or you die a slow, painful death." No manner of herbs or homeopathic BS solvent is going to change that. This also isn't a case of someone being forced to take futile treatment. It's a HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL treatment regiment that is proven by science.
 
2013-11-28 02:14:30 PM
If someone with chidhood cancer dies the genepool is probably better off without them, I say let them crash.
 
2013-11-28 02:15:21 PM
If treated, doctors believe Sarah has a great chance to survive. But if she receives only the homeopathic remedies that her parents desire, she will almost certainly die.

 Stupid, stupid, stupid goddamned people. I normally have a lot of respect for the Amish, but then again, most know when to bend the rules to allow for certain technologies. These people are just gullible fools.
 
2013-11-28 02:16:52 PM

Bacontastesgood: In short, maybe you should farking chill out before your rage over this consumes you.


Things like this make me rage because I've lost someone close to me because of cancer quackery. But please, continue to white knight murderers and quacks.

lamric: It is beyond me how a loving parent can be told their child will die without proper medical care and then decide to sit back and see what happens.


Mostly because the people who believe in this kind of magical thinking also believe in various levels of paranoia against the medical establishment and the Government, and an unwillingness to accept their own mortality.
 
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