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(Arkansas Matters)   Waitress fired for calling police on breastfeeding mother boozing it up. It's like the perfect storm for Fark headlines   (arkansasmatters.com) divider line 23
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2013-11-28 10:10:59 AM
3 votes:
Okay.  Drinking and nursing at the same time isn't a good idea.  But what gives the server the right to call the cops on the mother?

If she feels so strongly she could have gotten with the manager and had her cut off.
2013-11-28 02:07:21 PM
2 votes:

homelessdude: She should have alerted the management. That is what she should have done.
Let mgmt then deal with actual issue including calls to police. That is what they do.


Keep in mind in reading the following that Conway is a heavily Baptist area where many regard drinking as a sin. I doubt that Arkansas really has a law that says breast feeding while consuming alcohol is child endangerment, or if it has any basis in reality.

http://www2.fox16.com/news/local/story/Server-Fired-After-Reporting- Bo ozing/tlz90qSoqEaXy8MEXcl7sQ.cspx?rss=315
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Conners says her concerns that night grew to shock when she saw what 28-year-old Tasha Adams was doing. "She picked up her drink and took a drink of it while her baby was breastfeeding," Conners said.

Conners says she watched Adams consume drink after drink even after managers were notified what was going on.
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"She was fired, but that wasn't the main reason," on-duty Gusanos manager William Clark said Wednesday.
Clark said he was not there last Wednesday and wouldn't elaborate on the "main reason" Conners was terminated.
When asked whether someone in Conners' position should have called police, Clark responded:
"That is something that were discussing with corporate as to how to adhere with that policy."


(what policy?)
2013-11-28 01:04:54 PM
2 votes:

FloydA: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant. My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call. Alert the management and get them to handle it.


It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law? No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.
2013-11-28 12:48:42 PM
2 votes:

Giltric: what law was being broken?


FTFA: The server called police on 28-year-old Tasha Adams, who was arrested after the incident last Wednesday and charged with endangering the welfare of a minor.

You only had to read two sentences to discover this.
2013-11-28 12:41:11 PM
2 votes:
I will need to see pictures of the bewbies in question to properly calibrate my outrage.
2013-11-28 11:38:33 AM
2 votes:
The government loves the new "it's okay to narc out everyone you know or see" people.

/and the post everything on facebook people
2013-11-28 10:45:08 AM
2 votes:
Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA
2013-11-28 09:33:47 PM
1 votes:

drumhellar: What legal consequences could there possibly be for calling the cops


Cops will shoot your dog, search your bowels, arrest you for "disorderly conduct" aka Contempt of Cop, revoke your liquor license (or any license), go full Civil Forfeiture on any money they see, and endless other hideous actions. Don't call cops, just don'e,  unless there is really no alternative. Cops are NOT your friends.
2013-11-28 04:15:13 PM
1 votes:

mscleo: I need more information before I can get outraged. It really depends on how much she was drinking.


I don't think you could introduce a significant amount of alcohol to they baby that way.  The only issue would be if she was becoming to drunk to responsibly look after the baby.
2013-11-28 03:22:43 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: This has nothing to do with whether or not calling the cops was the right decision (it was). It has EVERYTHING to do with who is responsible for making that decision.


This is only true if reporting to the manager absolves the waitress of all responsibility. When it comes to witnessing and reporting crimes, it doesn't. Saying, "I told my manager" doesn't release you of your civic responsibility in this situation.
2013-11-28 02:46:19 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: The point I am making, The Whole Entire Point that I am making, is that it is not the waitstaff's responsibility to make that kind of judgement call.


From a business policy perspective, sure. Whatever. From a moral perspective, it is everyone's responsibility to take action if they see a child endangered.
2013-11-28 02:29:14 PM
1 votes:
There are a couple of things the corporate lackeys hate. 1. You making a decision by yourself, without asking the higher up gods what to do first (and they would have said do nothing, well...until she pays up.) and 2. The worker actually doing the right thing to save someone. and 3. Anyone calling the police without management getting credit for it. I would imagine that if the manager had been the one to actually call (which he wouldn't) there would be no problem. and finally...4. Anything that gives the place bad press, or...most importantly, makes the management do something to earn their paycheck.

/and yes, she did the right thing.
2013-11-28 02:11:02 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: bangmaid: jst3p: bangmaid: aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.

Any establishment can reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

In theory, that is true. In reality try "any reason" being "because you are Jewish" and see how that works out for you. "Because she was pregnant" will get you sued too.

Right. If you say that. But there's no reason you have to say that.

"I won't serve you. You need to leave"
"why? "
"because I said so"

You are right, that wont get you sued, just fired. And maybe sued.


People get kicked out of bars all the time. Sometimes it's for being drunk, and sometimes it's for no reason. You're saying people sue for that? Good luck. That case would be laughed out of court.
2013-11-28 02:10:44 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: Please read this carefully.


Your hypothetical situation is meaningless, because it  works equally well in the other direction.

IF the the manager says not to call the police, and IF somebody is injured (or the baby is injured) as a result of the mom getting drunk, then somebody (or another member of the child's family) sues because the waitress, naming her as personally liable since she's the one that actually saw the woman getting drunk, while the manager may not have.

Considering the risk of injury to somebody, that's just as likely as suing the restaurant for harassment for being hassled by the cops one time.

What if the manager said not to call the cops because she's a good customer? What then? The woman is still endangering a child.

So, fark the hypothetical. Any number of hypothetical situations could have happened. Id' say the actual, end result is what mattered: The woman was found to be endangering a minor, and was arrested. The waitress did the right thing, and shouldn't have gotten fired for calling the police for somebody breaking and endangering another person.
2013-11-28 02:03:33 PM
1 votes:
Carrying around a baby while falling-down drunk might be considered endangering a child, too.
2013-11-28 01:40:03 PM
1 votes:
Breast milk isn't produced by the body on the spot, it's slowly made over the course of hours and stored in the mammary glands. It works much like your bladder. It slowly fills up until it gets full and you feel the urge to pee. If you were to drink a glass of water while you're pissing that water isn't going to immediately start coming out your dick.

For all anybody knows she may have had every intention of pumping and dumping her breast milk the next time she filled up.
2013-11-28 01:30:29 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: jst3p: orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.

And the fact that the mother was actually arrested means that she isn't going to suffer any legal consequences at all.


Yes, that's how it turned out, and that's good.  The point is that the waitress had no way to know that it would turn out that way, and it's not her responsibility to make that kind of decision.


It is anyone's responsibility to call the cops when they see a child endangered. What the hell are you on?
2013-11-28 01:23:32 PM
1 votes:

drumhellar: Giltric: So now she was getting hammered?

I hope so. Jail sucks when you're sober.


So does parenting an infant actually.
2013-11-28 01:22:27 PM
1 votes:

Giltric: jst3p: Giltric: drumhellar: FloydA: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant. My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call. Alert the management and get them to handle it.

It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law? No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.

So now she was getting hammered?

what article was that in?

If the wait staff knows the law, why are they wait staff making 10k a year instead of cops making 100k a year?

Did she get arrested? The officer knows more detail than you or I, let's go with his judgement until we know more. Since the officer agreed with the waitress why are you claiming to know better than her?

Because I know what being arrested means and what being charged and found guilty means.

They don't mean the same thing.

Being arrested means well ok I got called out here and because of how it inconvienenced me I'm going to arrest you and let the DA figure out if we should keep you.


Cops don't arrest people just because they get called out. In fact my brother in law, who is a cop, tells me that in fuzzy cases they look for excuses not to arrest people, the paperwork isn't worth it. Either she was actually endangering the child or she was mouthing off and being a biatch to the cops. Either way, the fact that she was actually arrested means that in civil suit her lawyer would say "she wasn't sure if any laws were being broken and in the estimation of the police there was cause to arrest her, my client was just being cautious in the best interests of the baby."
2013-11-28 01:04:57 PM
1 votes:

orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.


And the fact that the mother was actually arrested means that she isn't going to suffer any legal consequences at all.
2013-11-28 01:00:48 PM
1 votes:
What does "drink after drink" mean? Two? Ten?

So this "Being a mother myself" busybody decides to involve herself in a situation she doesn't belong and loses her job. Good.

I'm a server myself, and I know my role. A lot of my job is just biting my tongue. I don't agree with everyone's actions, but it just isn't my place to impart my own judgement or opinions on a customer. My restaurant has a fair share of breastfeeding mothers (we're quite family friendly) and guess what? GASP! some of them have a drink or three. One of my favorite tables breastfeeds as she works into her first drink, and usually the baby is full before the second. The amount of alcohol making it to the milk is minuscule.

Server should have STFU.
2013-11-28 12:43:35 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: This. She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences. The management should have been informed; she was foolish to take on that responsibility herself.


What legal consequences could there possibly be for calling the cops on somebody who is apparently breaking the law?
2013-11-28 10:45:48 AM
1 votes:
Depends on what she was drinking and how much, really.  My cousin was having a lot of trouble breastfeeding, certain beers were recommended to help stimulate milk production, and sometimes she multi-tasked.  Pounding several shots is likely not recommended.
 
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