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(Arkansas Matters)   Waitress fired for calling police on breastfeeding mother boozing it up. It's like the perfect storm for Fark headlines   (arkansasmatters.com) divider line 115
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2013-11-28 04:15:13 PM

mscleo: I need more information before I can get outraged. It really depends on how much she was drinking.


I don't think you could introduce a significant amount of alcohol to they baby that way.  The only issue would be if she was becoming to drunk to responsibly look after the baby.
 
2013-11-28 04:30:17 PM
I hope Tasha Adams sues the pants of that wowzer waitress, the chain, and the police.

The rational for the arrest, that a minor was endangered, is ridiculous. The alcohol in the milk the baby consumed was somewhere around the equivalent of a teaspoon of beer. That is unless Arkansas has laws against giving minors any amount of alcohol -  in that case they should arrest people that use child medicines with a trace of alcohol or Mohels who perform a traditional bris in which the infant is given a few drops of wine.

I don't know the exact effect of second hand smoke on children, though it is probably more serious than miniscule exposure to alcohol. Why don't they start arresting every adult who smokes in the presence of a child?
 
2013-11-28 05:22:41 PM
In MN it is OK to call the law on women drinking who are pregnant.  Not sure about the boobie exposure however.
 
2013-11-28 06:12:26 PM

jst3p: jtown: Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA

And a nursing baby weighs what?  10-20 pounds?  They've got no tolerance for booze.  Half a wine cooler and the kid's passed out with his buddies drawing on his face with sharpies.  Sharpies if he's lucky.

But seriously, a little alcohol goes a long way in a tiny body.

Not that I condone the actions of the mom in TFA (even though her actions are not clear) but you are talking out of your ass. Several people in this thread have commented that doctors commonly advise nursing mothers to drink a beer to help with milk production.

Tell us Saul T. Balzac M.D.,how specifically does one or two beers imbibed by a nursing mother adversely affect a baby? Be specific.



It wasn't me who claimed that a mom drinking half a wine cooler would make her baby drunk.  It was that other guy, jtown.  He's the moron here.
 
2013-11-28 06:19:40 PM
ReapTheChaos:For all anybody knows she may have had every intention of pumping and dumping her breast milk the next time she filled up.

 Yes, I forgot about this.  Our lactation consultant* called this "pump and dump."  Mom could go out, drink, have a good time, but not give the kiddo any milk from her body that night; instead, she would give the kid some "clean" milk from the fridge.

*thanks, modern parenting standards, for making me attend that class.
 
2013-11-28 09:33:47 PM

drumhellar: What legal consequences could there possibly be for calling the cops


Cops will shoot your dog, search your bowels, arrest you for "disorderly conduct" aka Contempt of Cop, revoke your liquor license (or any license), go full Civil Forfeiture on any money they see, and endless other hideous actions. Don't call cops, just don'e,  unless there is really no alternative. Cops are NOT your friends.
 
2013-11-28 09:49:29 PM
Giltric:  on [any basis to claims that drunks' milk poison their babies}

Yes republican laws based on republican science in a republican state.....


From wikipedia:
The current Governor of Arkansas is Mike Beebe, a Democrat,...
The Republican Party majority status in the Arkansas State House of Representatives following the 2012 elections is the party's first since 1874.

So STFU.  While Repubs certainly can be stupid, it's mostly Democrats who want to be the nanny of everybody.  A pox on both their houses.
 
2013-11-28 10:27:42 PM

Giltric: HairBolus: Is there any documented case of a baby being affected by drinking the milk from a drunk?

From Alcohol in breast milk http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3862407

"... alcohol appeared quickly in both fore- and hind-milk at a level equivalent to or higher than the corresponding blood samples. ...  the large dilution of the alcohol contained in the milk by the baby's body water renders the baby's resultant blood alcohol level very low in all but the most extreme cases."

Roughly, if mom has a BAC of .2 (stupor level) then the milk contains .2% alcohol. If you gave the baby 1oz of 4% beer, it would have to drink 20oz of "alcoholic milk" for the same effect.

While a drunk mom is probably not a good mom, is there any basis to claims that drunks'  milk poison their babies?

Yes republican laws based on republican science in a republican state.....

Look at how many authoritarians in this thread practice republican science.


You got your politics in my breast feeding thread, and simultaneously proved you don't know much about political principles.
 
2013-11-28 10:29:11 PM
This is how Oscar Wilde got started.
 
2013-11-28 11:01:59 PM

HairBolus: Roughly, if mom has a BAC of .2 (stupor level) then the milk contains .2% alcohol. If you gave the baby 1oz of 4% beer, it would have to drink 20oz of "alcoholic milk" for the same effect.

While a drunk mom is probably not a good mom, is there any basis to claims that drunks' milk poison their babies?


Unless the mother was throwing back shots or drinking pitcher after pitcher I would give the mother the benefit of the doubt.
 
2013-11-29 12:09:27 AM
Let this be a lesson to us all. Don't bring your kids to restaurants.

/damn kids, always causing trouble
//my lawn, get off
 
2013-11-29 02:21:07 AM
Alcohol enters breast milk at the same rate it enters the blood stream, peaking roughly 60-90 minutes after consumption, it is also filtered within the body so there is no need to pump and dump, once you are sober again your milk is free of alcohol.

The amount of alcohol in once breast milk is about .2% of whatever you're drinking, so if you've ever given your child cough syrup it probably had more alcohol in it.

/spent 5 years breast feeding multiple kiddos
//really like beer
 
2013-11-29 10:35:13 AM
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2013-11-29 01:02:09 PM

piperTom: Giltric:  on [any basis to claims that drunks' milk poison their babies}

Yes republican laws based on republican science in a republican state.....

From wikipedia:
The current Governor of Arkansas is Mike Beebe, a Democrat,...
The Republican Party majority status in the Arkansas State House of Representatives following the 2012 elections is the party's first since 1874.

So STFU.  While Repubs certainly can be stupid, it's mostly Democrats who want to be the nanny of everybody.  A pox on both their houses.


Kindly explain who is stupid enough to pick a side on Fark?
DFL and GOP are neck and neck in the Stupid Old White Man's Religeosious Stupidity Race.
And yes, that is racist. With extreme prejudice.
 
2013-11-29 05:02:15 PM

tzzhc4: HairBolus: Roughly, if mom has a BAC of .2 (stupor level) then the milk contains .2% alcohol. If you gave the baby 1oz of 4% beer, it would have to drink 20oz of "alcoholic milk" for the same effect.

While a drunk mom is probably not a good mom, is there any basis to claims that drunks' milk poison their babies?

Unless the mother was throwing back shots or drinking pitcher after pitcher I would give the mother the benefit of the doubt.


if she takes her child out with her while she's drinking, then regardless of alcohol content in the breast milk, she is quite obviously engaging in behavior dangerous to the child.  the "breastfeeding/child potentially consuming alcohol" was never the issue.  it was "how are they safely getting home?"  if there was a DD, fine, but i'd still want to punch someone who let their friend drink while their (or their friend's) child was actually in their friend's arms... and if the child wasn't being held, that's a-whole-nother level of cps.
 
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