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2013-11-28 10:10:59 AM  
Okay.  Drinking and nursing at the same time isn't a good idea.  But what gives the server the right to call the cops on the mother?

If she feels so strongly she could have gotten with the manager and had her cut off.
 
2013-11-28 10:45:08 AM  
Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA
 
2013-11-28 10:45:48 AM  
Depends on what she was drinking and how much, really.  My cousin was having a lot of trouble breastfeeding, certain beers were recommended to help stimulate milk production, and sometimes she multi-tasked.  Pounding several shots is likely not recommended.
 
2013-11-28 11:38:33 AM  
The government loves the new "it's okay to narc out everyone you know or see" people.

/and the post everything on facebook people
 
2013-11-28 11:43:46 AM  

Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA


I don't know that I would breastfeed while drinking, but everything I've read on the subject indicates that if you're ok to drive, you're ok to breastfeed.
 
2013-11-28 12:32:05 PM  

Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA


The article said she was consuming "drink after drink."  Whether than means 2 or 12 seems like a relevant factor that the article should have mentioned, but apparently, it was enough for the cops to arrest her and release the kid to relatives.

BizarreMan: Okay.  Drinking and nursing at the same time isn't a good idea.  But what gives the server the right to call the cops on the mother?

If she feels so strongly she could have gotten with the manager and had her cut off.


This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.  The management should have been informed; she was foolish to take on that responsibility herself.
 
2013-11-28 12:41:11 PM  
I will need to see pictures of the bewbies in question to properly calibrate my outrage.
 
2013-11-28 12:41:27 PM  
It's not instant.

It takes some time for the alcohol to get into the milk.
 
2013-11-28 12:43:18 PM  

Jument: I will need to see pictures of the bewbies in question to properly calibrate my outrage.


Exactly. Was either of them hot?
 
2013-11-28 12:43:35 PM  

FloydA: This. She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences. The management should have been informed; she was foolish to take on that responsibility herself.


What legal consequences could there possibly be for calling the cops on somebody who is apparently breaking the law?
 
2013-11-28 12:43:37 PM  

Jument: I will need to see pictures of the bewbies in question to properly calibrate my outrage.


Breast feeding pictures are considered pornography by the FCC, Facebook, Twitter.......stick to pictures of Miley Virus twerking, grinding her ass against things, and practicing simulated fellatio on objects...cause that seems to be ok with the FCC, FB, Twitter....
 
2013-11-28 12:43:47 PM  

BizarreMan: But what gives the server the right to call the cops on the mother?


I don't think there's any such thing as rights.
 
2013-11-28 12:44:04 PM  

Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA


I'll be the judge of that...
 
2013-11-28 12:44:37 PM  

drumhellar: FloydA: This. She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences. The management should have been informed; she was foolish to take on that responsibility herself.

What legal consequences could there possibly be for calling the cops on somebody who is apparently breaking the law?


what law was being broken?
 
2013-11-28 12:48:42 PM  

Giltric: what law was being broken?


FTFA: The server called police on 28-year-old Tasha Adams, who was arrested after the incident last Wednesday and charged with endangering the welfare of a minor.

You only had to read two sentences to discover this.
 
2013-11-28 12:53:21 PM  

drumhellar: Giltric: what law was being broken?

FTFA: The server called police on 28-year-old Tasha Adams, who was arrested after the incident last Wednesday and charged with endangering the welfare of a minor.

You only had to read two sentences to discover this.


Yeah that law is like a disorderly conduct charge.

Or NYs felony annoyance law.

Would she be endangering the welfare of a child if she drove home with a .03 bac?
 
2013-11-28 12:55:41 PM  
I need more information before I can get outraged. It really depends on how much she was drinking.
 
2013-11-28 12:56:32 PM  
I need to know how much the tip was before I can determine the appropriate amount of outrage.
 
2013-11-28 12:57:24 PM  

drumhellar: FloydA: This. She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences. The management should have been informed; she was foolish to take on that responsibility herself.

What legal consequences could there possibly be for calling the cops on somebody who is apparently breaking the law?



I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant.  My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call.  Alert the management and get them to handle it.   (Apparently, the restaurant agrees because the waitress was fired.)
 
2013-11-28 12:58:24 PM  
I don't always drink breast milk, but when I do,,,
 
2013-11-28 12:58:35 PM  
Id help 28 year old Tasha Adams to release the alcohol content of her booze filled titties
 
2013-11-28 01:00:02 PM  
For a perfect storm, it needs tipping and a HOA.
 
2013-11-28 01:00:48 PM  
What does "drink after drink" mean? Two? Ten?

So this "Being a mother myself" busybody decides to involve herself in a situation she doesn't belong and loses her job. Good.

I'm a server myself, and I know my role. A lot of my job is just biting my tongue. I don't agree with everyone's actions, but it just isn't my place to impart my own judgement or opinions on a customer. My restaurant has a fair share of breastfeeding mothers (we're quite family friendly) and guess what? GASP! some of them have a drink or three. One of my favorite tables breastfeeds as she works into her first drink, and usually the baby is full before the second. The amount of alcohol making it to the milk is minuscule.

Server should have STFU.
 
2013-11-28 01:02:12 PM  

FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.


Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.
 
2013-11-28 01:02:31 PM  
Now, are we talking titty bar, or what?

Eureka! this is gonna take infused liquor to a whole new level.
 
2013-11-28 01:04:08 PM  

orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.


Is that like a city saying the cop was working on his own when he violated your civil rights and he was not a agent of the city at the time even though on duty?
 
2013-11-28 01:04:25 PM  
In days gone by (1950s), Guinness would supply a bottle of the stuff for the lunch-tray of every mother in the maternity ward.  As a woman of very scrawny build, when I was breast-feeding my boys I had trouble meeting demand, my midwife recommended the same (amongst other things) to help; after trying a variety (not a beer drinker usually) I settled on Marston's Oyster Stout and my eldest is now a strapping teenager with all of his mental faculties, despite the fact he was fed by a mother who drank a beer a day for the first six months of his life.  The other two appear similarly unaffected; born in the U.S. though, they weren't so lucky and had to make do with Guinness since that was my only choice here.

/An alcoholic shouldn't breast-feed, but then ideally an alcoholic shouldn't get pregnant.
//Still don't really like Guinness
//Still not much of a beer drinker
 
2013-11-28 01:04:49 PM  
Was the baby circumcised? Did she bring her declawed pit bull with her? Did she leave a tip? I bet she prefers Chicago-style pizza, which is clearly the best. What kind of beer was she drinking? That's an awful choice!

/DNRTFA
//obviously
 
2013-11-28 01:04:54 PM  

FloydA: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant. My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call. Alert the management and get them to handle it.


It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law? No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.
 
2013-11-28 01:04:57 PM  

orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.


And the fact that the mother was actually arrested means that she isn't going to suffer any legal consequences at all.
 
2013-11-28 01:07:32 PM  

Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA


And a nursing baby weighs what?  10-20 pounds?  They've got no tolerance for booze.  Half a wine cooler and the kid's passed out with his buddies drawing on his face with sharpies.  Sharpies if he's lucky.

But seriously, a little alcohol goes a long way in a tiny body.
 
2013-11-28 01:10:02 PM  

drumhellar: FloydA: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant. My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call. Alert the management and get them to handle it.

It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law? No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.


So now she was getting hammered?

what article was that in?

If the wait staff knows the law, why are they wait staff making 10k a year instead of cops making 100k a year?
 
2013-11-28 01:11:11 PM  

jtown: Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA

And a nursing baby weighs what?  10-20 pounds?  They've got no tolerance for booze.  Half a wine cooler and the kid's passed out with his buddies drawing on his face with sharpies.  Sharpies if he's lucky.

But seriously, a little alcohol goes a long way in a tiny body.


Not that I condone the actions of the mom in TFA (even though her actions are not clear) but you are talking out of your ass. Several people in this thread have commented that doctors commonly advise nursing mothers to drink a beer to help with milk production.

Tell us Saul T. Balzac M.D.,how specifically does one or two beers imbibed by a nursing mother adversely affect a baby? Be specific.
 
2013-11-28 01:11:59 PM  

jst3p: orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.

And the fact that the mother was actually arrested means that she isn't going to suffer any legal consequences at all.


Arrested like that Sampson kid in Miami Gardens was over 200 times?

Being arrested doesn't mean dick. Being charged and found guilty does.
 
2013-11-28 01:12:57 PM  

Giltric: drumhellar: FloydA: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant. My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call. Alert the management and get them to handle it.

It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law? No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.

So now she was getting hammered?

what article was that in?

If the wait staff knows the law, why are they wait staff making 10k a year instead of cops making 100k a year?


Did she get arrested? The officer knows more detail than you or I, let's go with his judgement until we know more. Since the officer agreed with the waitress why are you claiming to know better than her?
 
2013-11-28 01:13:40 PM  

Giltric: jst3p: orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.

And the fact that the mother was actually arrested means that she isn't going to suffer any legal consequences at all.

Arrested like that Sampson kid in Miami Gardens was over 200 times?

Being arrested doesn't mean dick. Being charged and found guilty does.


It means more than if the police were called and she wasn't arrested.
 
2013-11-28 01:15:10 PM  

jst3p: Giltric: drumhellar: FloydA: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant. My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call. Alert the management and get them to handle it.

It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law? No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.

So now she was getting hammered?

what article was that in?

If the wait staff knows the law, why are they wait staff making 10k a year instead of cops making 100k a year?

Did she get arrested? The officer knows more detail than you or I, let's go with his judgement until we know more. Since the officer agreed with the waitress why are you claiming to know better than her?


Because I know what being arrested means and what being charged and found guilty means.

They don't mean the same thing.

Being arrested means well ok I got called out here and because of how it inconvienenced me I'm going to arrest you and let the DA figure out if we should keep you.
 
2013-11-28 01:15:48 PM  

Di Atribe: Was the baby circumcised? Did she bring her declawed pit bull with her? Did she leave a tip? I bet she prefers Chicago-style pizza, which is clearly the best. What kind of beer was she drinking? That's an awful choice!

/DNRTFA
//obviously


*twitch*
 
2013-11-28 01:15:57 PM  
Is there any documented case of a baby being affected by drinking the milk from a drunk?

From Alcohol in breast milk http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3862407

"... alcohol appeared quickly in both fore- and hind-milk at a level equivalent to or higher than the corresponding blood samples. ...  the large dilution of the alcohol contained in the milk by the baby's body water renders the baby's resultant blood alcohol level very low in all but the most extreme cases."

Roughly, if mom has a BAC of .2 (stupor level) then the milk contains .2% alcohol. If you gave the baby 1oz of 4% beer, it would have to drink 20oz of "alcoholic milk" for the same effect.

While a drunk mom is probably not a good mom, is there any basis to claims that drunks'  milk poison their babies?
 
2013-11-28 01:17:29 PM  

HairBolus: Is there any documented case of a baby being affected by drinking the milk from a drunk?

From Alcohol in breast milk http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3862407

"... alcohol appeared quickly in both fore- and hind-milk at a level equivalent to or higher than the corresponding blood samples. ...  the large dilution of the alcohol contained in the milk by the baby's body water renders the baby's resultant blood alcohol level very low in all but the most extreme cases."

Roughly, if mom has a BAC of .2 (stupor level) then the milk contains .2% alcohol. If you gave the baby 1oz of 4% beer, it would have to drink 20oz of "alcoholic milk" for the same effect.

While a drunk mom is probably not a good mom, is there any basis to claims that drunks'  milk poison their babies?


Yes republican laws based on republican science in a republican state.....

Look at how many authoritarians in this thread practice republican science.
 
2013-11-28 01:18:19 PM  

Giltric: So now she was getting hammered?


I hope so. Jail sucks when you're sober.
 
2013-11-28 01:19:55 PM  
I hope this busybody can't afford gifts for her family now that she's unemployed and they throw her out on the streets. I hope she is so hungry that she is forced to feed from the breast of a crackhead.
 
2013-11-28 01:22:27 PM  

Giltric: jst3p: Giltric: drumhellar: FloydA: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant. My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call. Alert the management and get them to handle it.

It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law? No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.

So now she was getting hammered?

what article was that in?

If the wait staff knows the law, why are they wait staff making 10k a year instead of cops making 100k a year?

Did she get arrested? The officer knows more detail than you or I, let's go with his judgement until we know more. Since the officer agreed with the waitress why are you claiming to know better than her?

Because I know what being arrested means and what being charged and found guilty means.

They don't mean the same thing.

Being arrested means well ok I got called out here and because of how it inconvienenced me I'm going to arrest you and let the DA figure out if we should keep you.


Cops don't arrest people just because they get called out. In fact my brother in law, who is a cop, tells me that in fuzzy cases they look for excuses not to arrest people, the paperwork isn't worth it. Either she was actually endangering the child or she was mouthing off and being a biatch to the cops. Either way, the fact that she was actually arrested means that in civil suit her lawyer would say "she wasn't sure if any laws were being broken and in the estimation of the police there was cause to arrest her, my client was just being cautious in the best interests of the baby."
 
2013-11-28 01:23:32 PM  

drumhellar: Giltric: So now she was getting hammered?

I hope so. Jail sucks when you're sober.


So does parenting an infant actually.
 
2013-11-28 01:25:16 PM  

FloydA: This. She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences. The management should have been informed; she was foolish to take on that responsibility herself.


Getting management involved would have put the restaurant on the hook for legal consequences since management is employed by the restaurant. Having an officer of the law decide on how to handle the situation makes it the state's problem, not the restaurant's. If an employee made a citizen's arrest, you might have a point but that's not what happened. She protected the restaurant from legal consequences rather than made it liable for them. Maybe the police department now gets sued but that's pretty doubtful. The mother can sue the restaurant if she wishes but it'll quickly be dismissed and mom will be out whatever fees the bottom dwelling lawyer who takes the case knowing it will be dismissed charges.
 
2013-11-28 01:27:22 PM  
I better not call the cops on my neighbors for being loud, because if they end up getting arrested they might sue me!
 
2013-11-28 01:28:06 PM  

orbister:

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.


You're kidding, right?


drumhellar:

It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law?


Please read this carefully.  IF the breastfeeding woman had been within the legal limits, the cops would not have arrested her, but she would certainly have felt "harassed" by the waitress.  IF that had happened, and the breastfeeder decided to lawyer up, she would have gone after the restaurant, not the individual waitress.  The restaurant was responsible for hiring the waitress, so any competent lawyer would sue the restaurant.

As it turns out, the breastfeeder WAS over the limit and got arrested, so that scenario won't play out.  However, it is NOT up to employees to unilaterally decide to institute a policy that could have any legal repercussions on their employer.  The waitress had no way to know whether the cops would arrest the breastfeeder.  If they hadn't, the breastfeeder could easily have sued and quite possibly won.  This is why restaurants have a chain of command in the first place.

No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.


The article mentions "drink after drink," but does not specify how many that actually is, nor what the woman's tolerance, body mass, body fat, etc. are, so concluding that she was "getting hammered" is not warranted by the available evidence.

I agree that employees should not be fired for reporting a crime, so don't misunderstand my point.  I'm just saying that the waitress should have first reported the problem to the manager on duty, rather than going directly to the cops.  The manager's job at a restaurant is to make sure that entry-level employees don't  have to make policy decisions.

(Also, this event took place in Arkansas, not Alaska.)


jst3p: orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.

And the fact that the mother was actually arrested means that she isn't going to suffer any legal consequences at all.



Yes, that's how it turned out, and that's good.  The point is that the waitress had no way to know that it would turn out that way, and it's not her responsibility to make that kind of decision.
 
2013-11-28 01:29:42 PM  
When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.
 
2013-11-28 01:30:29 PM  

FloydA: jst3p: orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.

And the fact that the mother was actually arrested means that she isn't going to suffer any legal consequences at all.


Yes, that's how it turned out, and that's good.  The point is that the waitress had no way to know that it would turn out that way, and it's not her responsibility to make that kind of decision.


It is anyone's responsibility to call the cops when they see a child endangered. What the hell are you on?
 
2013-11-28 01:31:02 PM  

jst3p: jtown: Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA

And a nursing baby weighs what?  10-20 pounds?  They've got no tolerance for booze.  Half a wine cooler and the kid's passed out with his buddies drawing on his face with sharpies.  Sharpies if he's lucky.

But seriously, a little alcohol goes a long way in a tiny body.

Not that I condone the actions of the mom in TFA (even though her actions are not clear) but you are talking out of your ass. Several people in this thread have commented that doctors commonly advise nursing mothers to drink a beer to help with milk production.

Tell us Saul T. Balzac M.D.,how specifically does one or two beers imbibed by a nursing mother adversely affect a baby? Be specific.


A beer, not drink after drink, jackass.
 
2013-11-28 01:33:37 PM  

Spiffariffic: For a perfect storm, it needs tipping and a HOA.


and a circumcision.
 
2013-11-28 01:33:46 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-28 01:34:52 PM  

orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.


Perhaps you don't understand what the phrase means taking the matter into her own hands. She was an employee of a business, and while conducting her duties at said business, called the police on someone. She doesn't have to be a nationally recognized spokesman of the business for her to be considered acting on behalf of the business.
 
2013-11-28 01:35:45 PM  

jtown: jst3p: jtown: Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA

And a nursing baby weighs what?  10-20 pounds?  They've got no tolerance for booze.  Half a wine cooler and the kid's passed out with his buddies drawing on his face with sharpies.  Sharpies if he's lucky.

But seriously, a little alcohol goes a long way in a tiny body.

Not that I condone the actions of the mom in TFA (even though her actions are not clear) but you are talking out of your ass. Several people in this thread have commented that doctors commonly advise nursing mothers to drink a beer to help with milk production.

Tell us Saul T. Balzac M.D.,how specifically does one or two beers imbibed by a nursing mother adversely affect a baby? Be specific.

A beer, not drink after drink, jackass.


You said a little alcohol goes a long way in a tiny body. A beer is "a little", tell me what a "long way" it goes.
 
2013-11-28 01:36:41 PM  

xxdangerbobxx: orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.

Perhaps you don't understand what the phrase means taking the matter into her own hands. She was an employee of a business, and while conducting her duties at said business, called the police on someone. She doesn't have to be a nationally recognized spokesman of the business for her to be considered acting on behalf of the business.


And as soon as the cops arrested her it vindicated her concerns. She, nor the business will lose a lawsuit over this.
 
2013-11-28 01:36:43 PM  

aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.


This is pretty sick, you would think the woman could be arrested for child endangerment - but I guess this is another argument because the "fetus" isn't born yet blah blah - but she is purposely putting a soon to be child at risk for serious birth defects. I just don't understand why if you call the cops they won't do anything about it.

/seen a woman drop dead drunk and chain smoking while at least 7+ months pregnant, I really don't even want to know what birth defects that kid faces - much as I wish he would be ok I seriously doubt it. Sad part is the bar continued to serve her because it was "ladies" night - and while she was obviously smashed drunk, the bartender kept serving anyway
 
2013-11-28 01:40:03 PM  
Breast milk isn't produced by the body on the spot, it's slowly made over the course of hours and stored in the mammary glands. It works much like your bladder. It slowly fills up until it gets full and you feel the urge to pee. If you were to drink a glass of water while you're pissing that water isn't going to immediately start coming out your dick.

For all anybody knows she may have had every intention of pumping and dumping her breast milk the next time she filled up.
 
2013-11-28 01:40:44 PM  

Misconduc: aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.

This is pretty sick, you would think the woman could be arrested for child endangerment - but I guess this is another argument because the "fetus" isn't born yet blah blah - but she is purposely putting a soon to be child at risk for serious birth defects. I just don't understand why if you call the cops they won't do anything about it.

/seen a woman drop dead drunk and chain smoking while at least 7+ months pregnant, I really don't even want to know what birth defects that kid faces - much as I wish he would be ok I seriously doubt it. Sad part is the bar continued to serve her because it was "ladies" night - and while she was obviously smashed drunk, the bartender kept serving anyway


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2013-11-28 01:41:52 PM  

poughdrew: Spiffariffic: For a perfect storm, it needs tipping and a HOA.

and a circumcision.


Dammit I forgot the HoA! Next time, friends.
 
2013-11-28 01:44:06 PM  

Tunacrab: What does "drink after drink" mean? Two? Ten?


It's basically a Weasel Word statement. Whether intentional or not, it is statement that lays a thought in your head without stating a fact. Add to that the "Me being a mom...." declaration, and reasoned discussion is untenable.

She should have alerted the management. That is what she should have done.
Let mgmt then deal with actual issue including calls to police. That is what they do.

The restaurant was absolutely correct in firing her over this.
 
2013-11-28 01:45:32 PM  
s2.quickmeme.com
 
2013-11-28 01:48:10 PM  

aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.


Any establishment can reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.
 
2013-11-28 01:49:34 PM  

aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.


One drink or five? If one, you are a jackass. If five, fine. But OTOH, you aren't the boss of everybody.
 
2013-11-28 01:50:18 PM  

bangmaid: aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.

Any establishment can reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.


In theory, that is true. In reality try "any reason" being "because you are Jewish" and see how that works out for you. "Because she was pregnant" will get you sued too.
 
2013-11-28 01:53:45 PM  

aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.


Also, isn't that a judgement call?

"your honor, it was my opinion that the pregnant woman ordering a drink was already intoxicated. Serving her would put many parties at risk. "

No one can prove that was not your opinion as a bartender.

/not trying to pick on you.
//I just hate when people have a problem with doing the right thing.
 
2013-11-28 01:55:11 PM  
Hey, the kid ordered a White Russian -- who are we to judge?
 
2013-11-28 01:56:30 PM  

jst3p: bangmaid: aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.

Any establishment can reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

In theory, that is true. In reality try "any reason" being "because you are Jewish" and see how that works out for you. "Because she was pregnant" will get you sued too.


Right. If you say that. But there's no reason you have to say that.

"I won't serve you. You need to leave"
"why? "
"because I said so"
 
2013-11-28 01:58:24 PM  

bangmaid: jst3p: bangmaid: aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.

Any establishment can reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

In theory, that is true. In reality try "any reason" being "because you are Jewish" and see how that works out for you. "Because she was pregnant" will get you sued too.

Right. If you say that. But there's no reason you have to say that.

"I won't serve you. You need to leave"
"why? "
"because I said so"


You are right, that wont get you sued, just fired. And maybe sued.
 
2013-11-28 01:58:27 PM  

Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA


The same amount of alcohol that makes it into the moms bloodstream makes it into the breast milk.
It is pretty much instant. A mother should wait at least two hours after drinking to breastfeed to let the alcohol clear her systems. I mean a baby can't handle that shait!
 
2013-11-28 01:59:03 PM  

bangmaid: aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.

Any establishment can reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.


Such as being black, or irish, or a woman.
 
2013-11-28 02:03:33 PM  
Carrying around a baby while falling-down drunk might be considered endangering a child, too.
 
2013-11-28 02:05:45 PM  

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2013-11-28 02:07:21 PM  

homelessdude: She should have alerted the management. That is what she should have done.
Let mgmt then deal with actual issue including calls to police. That is what they do.


Keep in mind in reading the following that Conway is a heavily Baptist area where many regard drinking as a sin. I doubt that Arkansas really has a law that says breast feeding while consuming alcohol is child endangerment, or if it has any basis in reality.

http://www2.fox16.com/news/local/story/Server-Fired-After-Reporting- Bo ozing/tlz90qSoqEaXy8MEXcl7sQ.cspx?rss=315
...
Conners says her concerns that night grew to shock when she saw what 28-year-old Tasha Adams was doing. "She picked up her drink and took a drink of it while her baby was breastfeeding," Conners said.

Conners says she watched Adams consume drink after drink even after managers were notified what was going on.
...
"She was fired, but that wasn't the main reason," on-duty Gusanos manager William Clark said Wednesday.
Clark said he was not there last Wednesday and wouldn't elaborate on the "main reason" Conners was terminated.
When asked whether someone in Conners' position should have called police, Clark responded:
"That is something that were discussing with corporate as to how to adhere with that policy."


(what policy?)
 
2013-11-28 02:07:30 PM  

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2013-11-28 02:08:48 PM  
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2013-11-28 02:10:04 PM  
www.failfunnies.com
 
2013-11-28 02:10:44 PM  

FloydA: Please read this carefully.


Your hypothetical situation is meaningless, because it  works equally well in the other direction.

IF the the manager says not to call the police, and IF somebody is injured (or the baby is injured) as a result of the mom getting drunk, then somebody (or another member of the child's family) sues because the waitress, naming her as personally liable since she's the one that actually saw the woman getting drunk, while the manager may not have.

Considering the risk of injury to somebody, that's just as likely as suing the restaurant for harassment for being hassled by the cops one time.

What if the manager said not to call the cops because she's a good customer? What then? The woman is still endangering a child.

So, fark the hypothetical. Any number of hypothetical situations could have happened. Id' say the actual, end result is what mattered: The woman was found to be endangering a minor, and was arrested. The waitress did the right thing, and shouldn't have gotten fired for calling the police for somebody breaking and endangering another person.
 
2013-11-28 02:11:02 PM  

jst3p: bangmaid: jst3p: bangmaid: aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.

Any establishment can reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

In theory, that is true. In reality try "any reason" being "because you are Jewish" and see how that works out for you. "Because she was pregnant" will get you sued too.

Right. If you say that. But there's no reason you have to say that.

"I won't serve you. You need to leave"
"why? "
"because I said so"

You are right, that wont get you sued, just fired. And maybe sued.


People get kicked out of bars all the time. Sometimes it's for being drunk, and sometimes it's for no reason. You're saying people sue for that? Good luck. That case would be laughed out of court.
 
2013-11-28 02:13:13 PM  

xria: bangmaid: aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.

Any establishment can reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

Such as being black, or irish, or a woman.


"for any reason" doesn't mean you can literally give any reason. It means you don't have to give a reason. Big difference.
 
2013-11-28 02:14:08 PM  
Mind your own farking business, skank!
 
2013-11-28 02:14:15 PM  

bangmaid: jst3p: bangmaid: jst3p: bangmaid: aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.

Any establishment can reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

In theory, that is true. In reality try "any reason" being "because you are Jewish" and see how that works out for you. "Because she was pregnant" will get you sued too.

Right. If you say that. But there's no reason you have to say that.

"I won't serve you. You need to leave"
"why? "
"because I said so"

You are right, that wont get you sued, just fired. And maybe sued.

People get kicked out of bars all the time. Sometimes it's for being drunk, and sometimes it's for no reason. You're saying people sue for that? Good luck. That case would be laughed out of court.


People sue for any reason at all. Seriously if you make a habit of not serving people who are of a protected class "for no reason" you will eventually get sued.
 
2013-11-28 02:16:52 PM  

bangmaid: xria: bangmaid: aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.

Any establishment can reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

Such as being black, or irish, or a woman.

"for any reason" doesn't mean you can literally give any reason. It means you don't have to give a reason. Big difference.


If you make a habit of refusing to serve people who are of a protected class, you are at risk of being sued. You seem to live in "theory". Reality is a different world.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-bar-peggy-o-neil-sue d- allowing-black-patrons-owner-denies-accusations-article-1.949829
 
2013-11-28 02:21:09 PM  
slacktory.com

Maybe the babby was her designated driver.
 
2013-11-28 02:29:14 PM  
There are a couple of things the corporate lackeys hate. 1. You making a decision by yourself, without asking the higher up gods what to do first (and they would have said do nothing, well...until she pays up.) and 2. The worker actually doing the right thing to save someone. and 3. Anyone calling the police without management getting credit for it. I would imagine that if the manager had been the one to actually call (which he wouldn't) there would be no problem. and finally...4. Anything that gives the place bad press, or...most importantly, makes the management do something to earn their paycheck.

/and yes, she did the right thing.
 
2013-11-28 02:30:10 PM  
The biggest problem with a drunk woman breastfeeding is that the baby's head blocks the view.
 
2013-11-28 02:30:44 PM  

jst3p: xxdangerbobxx: orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.

Perhaps you don't understand what the phrase means taking the matter into her own hands. She was an employee of a business, and while conducting her duties at said business, called the police on someone. She doesn't have to be a nationally recognized spokesman of the business for her to be considered acting on behalf of the business.

And as soon as the cops arrested her it vindicated her concerns. She, nor the business will lose a lawsuit over this.


What a naive sentence.
 
2013-11-28 02:41:10 PM  

jst3p: bangmaid: xria: bangmaid: aimtastic: When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.

Any establishment can reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

Such as being black, or irish, or a woman.

"for any reason" doesn't mean you can literally give any reason. It means you don't have to give a reason. Big difference.

If you make a habit of refusing to serve people who are of a protected class, you are at risk of being sued. You seem to live in "theory". Reality is a different world.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-bar-peggy-o-neil-sue d- allowing-black-patrons-owner-denies-accusations-article-1.949829


I wasn't condoning making a habit of anything. As per the article, I was talking about unusual circumstances. I know people sue all the time. Doesn't mean they win.
 
2013-11-28 02:44:11 PM  

drumhellar: FloydA: Please read this carefully.

Your hypothetical situation is meaningless, because it  works equally well in the other direction.

IF the the manager says not to call the police, and IF somebody is injured (or the baby is injured) as a result of the mom getting drunk, then somebody (or another member of the child's family) sues because the waitress, naming her as personally liable since she's the one that actually saw the woman getting drunk, while the manager may not have.

Considering the risk of injury to somebody, that's just as likely as suing the restaurant for harassment for being hassled by the cops one time.

What if the manager said not to call the cops because she's a good customer? What then? The woman is still endangering a child.

So, fark the hypothetical. Any number of hypothetical situations could have happened. Id' say the actual, end result is what mattered: The woman was found to be endangering a minor, and was arrested. The waitress did the right thing, and shouldn't have gotten fired for calling the police for somebody breaking and endangering another person.


Do I have to use smaller words here?  The point I am making, The Whole Entire Point that I am making, is that it is not the waitstaff's responsibility to make that kind of judgement call.  If it were, restaurants would not need to hire managers at all.

If the manager called the cops him/herself, or if the manager told the waitress to call the cops, or if the manager told the waitress not to call the cops, it would still be the manager's decision, not the waitress.

If I decided to just go over my boss' head and start making decisions about what my place of employment should do, I would be fired, and rightly so.  Businesses hire managers, and pay them more than the rest of the staff, specifically  because they want someone to make decisions.  The waitstaff are not authorized to usurp the managers' authority.

This is a very simple point.

This has nothing to do with whether or not calling the cops was the right decision (it was).  It has EVERYTHING to do with who is responsible for making that decision.  The manager is, the employee is not.  That's exactly why the manager is there in the first place.  That's what they are for.
 
2013-11-28 02:46:19 PM  

FloydA: The point I am making, The Whole Entire Point that I am making, is that it is not the waitstaff's responsibility to make that kind of judgement call.


From a business policy perspective, sure. Whatever. From a moral perspective, it is everyone's responsibility to take action if they see a child endangered.
 
2013-11-28 02:52:07 PM  

jst3p: FloydA: The point I am making, The Whole Entire Point that I am making, is that it is not the waitstaff's responsibility to make that kind of judgement call.

From a business policy perspective, sure. Whatever. From a moral perspective, it is everyone's responsibility to take action if they see a child endangered.


Yes, and the most appropriate action for the waitress to take is to inform her manager of the problem.
 
2013-11-28 02:55:54 PM  

FloydA: jst3p: FloydA: The point I am making, The Whole Entire Point that I am making, is that it is not the waitstaff's responsibility to make that kind of judgement call.

From a business policy perspective, sure. Whatever. From a moral perspective, it is everyone's responsibility to take action if they see a child endangered.

Yes, and the most appropriate action for the waitress to take is to inform her manager of the problem.


Highly subjective.

When a delivery driver for Papa John's called the cops on some parents in Denver because he smelled pot and it turned out the parents had a scrip and the cops found no wrong doing the CEO praised the driver.

You are arguing vehemently over an opinion.
 
2013-11-28 03:03:49 PM  

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2013-11-28 03:07:21 PM  

jst3p: FloydA: jst3p: FloydA: The point I am making, The Whole Entire Point that I am making, is that it is not the waitstaff's responsibility to make that kind of judgement call.

From a business policy perspective, sure. Whatever. From a moral perspective, it is everyone's responsibility to take action if they see a child endangered.

Yes, and the most appropriate action for the waitress to take is to inform her manager of the problem.

Highly subjective.

When a delivery driver for Papa John's called the cops on some parents in Denver because he smelled pot and it turned out the parents had a scrip and the cops found no wrong doing the CEO praised the driver.

You are arguing vehemently over an opinion.



Me?  I've simply stated the reasonable course of action and pointed out why the waitress was not acting wisely.  Then a bunch of "oh noes think of the chrildensz!!!!" nitwits started jumping all over me.

But whatever, I don't really care.  Your inability to understand simple points does not constitute a problem for me.
 
2013-11-28 03:22:43 PM  

FloydA: This has nothing to do with whether or not calling the cops was the right decision (it was). It has EVERYTHING to do with who is responsible for making that decision.


This is only true if reporting to the manager absolves the waitress of all responsibility. When it comes to witnessing and reporting crimes, it doesn't. Saying, "I told my manager" doesn't release you of your civic responsibility in this situation.
 
2013-11-28 03:25:30 PM  

drumhellar: FloydA: This has nothing to do with whether or not calling the cops was the right decision (it was). It has EVERYTHING to do with who is responsible for making that decision.

This is only true if reporting to the manager absolves the waitress of all responsibility. When it comes to witnessing and reporting crimes, it doesn't. Saying, "I told my manager" doesn't release you of your civic responsibility in this situation.


Some guys from Penn State can attest to that.
 
2013-11-28 03:33:13 PM  
The waitress registered with the Civil Service when she was 18, right?    Her employer had to know that.
 
2013-11-28 03:49:07 PM  

jst3p: drumhellar: FloydA: This has nothing to do with whether or not calling the cops was the right decision (it was). It has EVERYTHING to do with who is responsible for making that decision.

This is only true if reporting to the manager absolves the waitress of all responsibility. When it comes to witnessing and reporting crimes, it doesn't. Saying, "I told my manager" doesn't release you of your civic responsibility in this situation.

Some guys from Penn State can attest to that.


Nice sidestep there.  Comparing this instance to Penn State is comparing apples to potatoes.  Ask Mike McQueary about telling it to his manager.  It worked for him.
 
2013-11-28 03:52:54 PM  

BizarreMan: jst3p: drumhellar: FloydA: This has nothing to do with whether or not calling the cops was the right decision (it was). It has EVERYTHING to do with who is responsible for making that decision.

This is only true if reporting to the manager absolves the waitress of all responsibility. When it comes to witnessing and reporting crimes, it doesn't. Saying, "I told my manager" doesn't release you of your civic responsibility in this situation.

Some guys from Penn State can attest to that.

Nice sidestep there.  Comparing this instance to Penn State is comparing apples to potatoes.  Ask Mike McQueary about telling it to his manager.  It worked for him.


Legally, sure. Morally he is human dogshiat.
 
2013-11-28 03:55:01 PM  

FloydA: jst3p: FloydA: jst3p: FloydA: The point I am making, The Whole Entire Point that I am making, is that it is not the waitstaff's responsibility to make that kind of judgement call.

From a business policy perspective, sure. Whatever. From a moral perspective, it is everyone's responsibility to take action if they see a child endangered.

Yes, and the most appropriate action for the waitress to take is to inform her manager of the problem.

Highly subjective.

When a delivery driver for Papa John's called the cops on some parents in Denver because he smelled pot and it turned out the parents had a scrip and the cops found no wrong doing the CEO praised the driver.

You are arguing vehemently over an opinion.


Me?  I've simply stated the reasonable course of action and pointed out why the waitress was not acting wisely.  Then a bunch of "oh noes think of the chrildensz!!!!" nitwits started jumping all over me.

But whatever, I don't really care.  Your inability to understand simple points does not constitute a problem for me.



Papa John's, where they encourage their drivers to case the joint while they're there.  What was so ridiculous about that incident is that the whole notion of "danger to children" was abandoned when they verified he had a script for the pot.  Oh really?

Officer:  "Dispatch had received a call from a Papa John's pizza delivery driver saying there were small children around people smoking pot. Department policy is to check up on situations where children may be in danger."

*checks prescription*

Officer:  "Not a big deal.  Have a nice day"

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!

Fark you Papa John's.  If you ever send the cops to my house because I'm taking the edge off with a few glasses of wine (which for me, is the same experience as a few tokes on a joint), I will write scathing posts on every food review site out there about your little jack booted thugs with their raging hard ons to validate their moral superiority by farking with the lives of your customers. The child wasn't even present during the delivery, the driver had noticed her toys in the yard and made the assumption. Yes, I realize that alcohol is legal while pot isn't completely legal everywhere (yet), but the level of "danger" to children is the same and obviously not the REAL concern, since the cop didn't care he was legally high.

\and your pizza sucks
\\Dominoe's is much better
 
2013-11-28 03:55:14 PM  

drumhellar: FloydA: This has nothing to do with whether or not calling the cops was the right decision (it was). It has EVERYTHING to do with who is responsible for making that decision.

This is only true if reporting to the manager absolves the waitress of all responsibility. When it comes to witnessing and reporting crimes, it doesn't. Saying, "I told my manager" doesn't release you of your civic responsibility in this situation.



Oh yeah?  Well I want my sweater back.  I said you could  borrow it, not  have it!  And pull up your damned socks, you look like a hobo.


(In other words, if you're dead set on wandering off on some bizarre tangent that has nothing to do with the subject at hand, just so you can argue, then I feel no obligation to take you at all seriously.  I do not waste time arguing with people who are unwilling and/or intellectually incapable of staying on topic.)
 
2013-11-28 04:15:13 PM  

mscleo: I need more information before I can get outraged. It really depends on how much she was drinking.


I don't think you could introduce a significant amount of alcohol to they baby that way.  The only issue would be if she was becoming to drunk to responsibly look after the baby.
 
2013-11-28 04:30:17 PM  
I hope Tasha Adams sues the pants of that wowzer waitress, the chain, and the police.

The rational for the arrest, that a minor was endangered, is ridiculous. The alcohol in the milk the baby consumed was somewhere around the equivalent of a teaspoon of beer. That is unless Arkansas has laws against giving minors any amount of alcohol -  in that case they should arrest people that use child medicines with a trace of alcohol or Mohels who perform a traditional bris in which the infant is given a few drops of wine.

I don't know the exact effect of second hand smoke on children, though it is probably more serious than miniscule exposure to alcohol. Why don't they start arresting every adult who smokes in the presence of a child?
 
2013-11-28 05:22:41 PM  
In MN it is OK to call the law on women drinking who are pregnant.  Not sure about the boobie exposure however.
 
2013-11-28 06:12:26 PM  

jst3p: jtown: Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA

And a nursing baby weighs what?  10-20 pounds?  They've got no tolerance for booze.  Half a wine cooler and the kid's passed out with his buddies drawing on his face with sharpies.  Sharpies if he's lucky.

But seriously, a little alcohol goes a long way in a tiny body.

Not that I condone the actions of the mom in TFA (even though her actions are not clear) but you are talking out of your ass. Several people in this thread have commented that doctors commonly advise nursing mothers to drink a beer to help with milk production.

Tell us Saul T. Balzac M.D.,how specifically does one or two beers imbibed by a nursing mother adversely affect a baby? Be specific.



It wasn't me who claimed that a mom drinking half a wine cooler would make her baby drunk.  It was that other guy, jtown.  He's the moron here.
 
2013-11-28 06:19:40 PM  
ReapTheChaos:For all anybody knows she may have had every intention of pumping and dumping her breast milk the next time she filled up.

 Yes, I forgot about this.  Our lactation consultant* called this "pump and dump."  Mom could go out, drink, have a good time, but not give the kiddo any milk from her body that night; instead, she would give the kid some "clean" milk from the fridge.

*thanks, modern parenting standards, for making me attend that class.
 
2013-11-28 09:33:47 PM  

drumhellar: What legal consequences could there possibly be for calling the cops


Cops will shoot your dog, search your bowels, arrest you for "disorderly conduct" aka Contempt of Cop, revoke your liquor license (or any license), go full Civil Forfeiture on any money they see, and endless other hideous actions. Don't call cops, just don'e,  unless there is really no alternative. Cops are NOT your friends.
 
2013-11-28 09:49:29 PM  
Giltric:  on [any basis to claims that drunks' milk poison their babies}

Yes republican laws based on republican science in a republican state.....


From wikipedia:
The current Governor of Arkansas is Mike Beebe, a Democrat,...
The Republican Party majority status in the Arkansas State House of Representatives following the 2012 elections is the party's first since 1874.

So STFU.  While Repubs certainly can be stupid, it's mostly Democrats who want to be the nanny of everybody.  A pox on both their houses.
 
2013-11-28 10:27:42 PM  

Giltric: HairBolus: Is there any documented case of a baby being affected by drinking the milk from a drunk?

From Alcohol in breast milk http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3862407

"... alcohol appeared quickly in both fore- and hind-milk at a level equivalent to or higher than the corresponding blood samples. ...  the large dilution of the alcohol contained in the milk by the baby's body water renders the baby's resultant blood alcohol level very low in all but the most extreme cases."

Roughly, if mom has a BAC of .2 (stupor level) then the milk contains .2% alcohol. If you gave the baby 1oz of 4% beer, it would have to drink 20oz of "alcoholic milk" for the same effect.

While a drunk mom is probably not a good mom, is there any basis to claims that drunks'  milk poison their babies?

Yes republican laws based on republican science in a republican state.....

Look at how many authoritarians in this thread practice republican science.


You got your politics in my breast feeding thread, and simultaneously proved you don't know much about political principles.
 
2013-11-28 10:29:11 PM  
This is how Oscar Wilde got started.
 
2013-11-28 11:01:59 PM  

HairBolus: Roughly, if mom has a BAC of .2 (stupor level) then the milk contains .2% alcohol. If you gave the baby 1oz of 4% beer, it would have to drink 20oz of "alcoholic milk" for the same effect.

While a drunk mom is probably not a good mom, is there any basis to claims that drunks' milk poison their babies?


Unless the mother was throwing back shots or drinking pitcher after pitcher I would give the mother the benefit of the doubt.
 
2013-11-29 12:09:27 AM  
Let this be a lesson to us all. Don't bring your kids to restaurants.

/damn kids, always causing trouble
//my lawn, get off
 
2013-11-29 02:21:07 AM  
Alcohol enters breast milk at the same rate it enters the blood stream, peaking roughly 60-90 minutes after consumption, it is also filtered within the body so there is no need to pump and dump, once you are sober again your milk is free of alcohol.

The amount of alcohol in once breast milk is about .2% of whatever you're drinking, so if you've ever given your child cough syrup it probably had more alcohol in it.

/spent 5 years breast feeding multiple kiddos
//really like beer
 
2013-11-29 10:35:13 AM  
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2013-11-29 01:02:09 PM  

piperTom: Giltric:  on [any basis to claims that drunks' milk poison their babies}

Yes republican laws based on republican science in a republican state.....

From wikipedia:
The current Governor of Arkansas is Mike Beebe, a Democrat,...
The Republican Party majority status in the Arkansas State House of Representatives following the 2012 elections is the party's first since 1874.

So STFU.  While Repubs certainly can be stupid, it's mostly Democrats who want to be the nanny of everybody.  A pox on both their houses.


Kindly explain who is stupid enough to pick a side on Fark?
DFL and GOP are neck and neck in the Stupid Old White Man's Religeosious Stupidity Race.
And yes, that is racist. With extreme prejudice.
 
2013-11-29 05:02:15 PM  

tzzhc4: HairBolus: Roughly, if mom has a BAC of .2 (stupor level) then the milk contains .2% alcohol. If you gave the baby 1oz of 4% beer, it would have to drink 20oz of "alcoholic milk" for the same effect.

While a drunk mom is probably not a good mom, is there any basis to claims that drunks' milk poison their babies?

Unless the mother was throwing back shots or drinking pitcher after pitcher I would give the mother the benefit of the doubt.


if she takes her child out with her while she's drinking, then regardless of alcohol content in the breast milk, she is quite obviously engaging in behavior dangerous to the child.  the "breastfeeding/child potentially consuming alcohol" was never the issue.  it was "how are they safely getting home?"  if there was a DD, fine, but i'd still want to punch someone who let their friend drink while their (or their friend's) child was actually in their friend's arms... and if the child wasn't being held, that's a-whole-nother level of cps.
 
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