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2013-11-28 10:10:59 AM
Okay.  Drinking and nursing at the same time isn't a good idea.  But what gives the server the right to call the cops on the mother?

If she feels so strongly she could have gotten with the manager and had her cut off.
 
2013-11-28 10:45:08 AM
Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA
 
2013-11-28 10:45:48 AM
Depends on what she was drinking and how much, really.  My cousin was having a lot of trouble breastfeeding, certain beers were recommended to help stimulate milk production, and sometimes she multi-tasked.  Pounding several shots is likely not recommended.
 
2013-11-28 11:38:33 AM
The government loves the new "it's okay to narc out everyone you know or see" people.

/and the post everything on facebook people
 
2013-11-28 11:43:46 AM

Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA


I don't know that I would breastfeed while drinking, but everything I've read on the subject indicates that if you're ok to drive, you're ok to breastfeed.
 
2013-11-28 12:32:05 PM

Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA


The article said she was consuming "drink after drink."  Whether than means 2 or 12 seems like a relevant factor that the article should have mentioned, but apparently, it was enough for the cops to arrest her and release the kid to relatives.

BizarreMan: Okay.  Drinking and nursing at the same time isn't a good idea.  But what gives the server the right to call the cops on the mother?

If she feels so strongly she could have gotten with the manager and had her cut off.


This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.  The management should have been informed; she was foolish to take on that responsibility herself.
 
2013-11-28 12:41:11 PM
I will need to see pictures of the bewbies in question to properly calibrate my outrage.
 
2013-11-28 12:41:27 PM
It's not instant.

It takes some time for the alcohol to get into the milk.
 
2013-11-28 12:43:18 PM

Jument: I will need to see pictures of the bewbies in question to properly calibrate my outrage.


Exactly. Was either of them hot?
 
2013-11-28 12:43:35 PM

FloydA: This. She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences. The management should have been informed; she was foolish to take on that responsibility herself.


What legal consequences could there possibly be for calling the cops on somebody who is apparently breaking the law?
 
2013-11-28 12:43:37 PM

Jument: I will need to see pictures of the bewbies in question to properly calibrate my outrage.


Breast feeding pictures are considered pornography by the FCC, Facebook, Twitter.......stick to pictures of Miley Virus twerking, grinding her ass against things, and practicing simulated fellatio on objects...cause that seems to be ok with the FCC, FB, Twitter....
 
2013-11-28 12:43:47 PM

BizarreMan: But what gives the server the right to call the cops on the mother?


I don't think there's any such thing as rights.
 
2013-11-28 12:44:04 PM

Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA


I'll be the judge of that...
 
2013-11-28 12:44:37 PM

drumhellar: FloydA: This. She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences. The management should have been informed; she was foolish to take on that responsibility herself.

What legal consequences could there possibly be for calling the cops on somebody who is apparently breaking the law?


what law was being broken?
 
2013-11-28 12:48:42 PM

Giltric: what law was being broken?


FTFA: The server called police on 28-year-old Tasha Adams, who was arrested after the incident last Wednesday and charged with endangering the welfare of a minor.

You only had to read two sentences to discover this.
 
2013-11-28 12:53:21 PM

drumhellar: Giltric: what law was being broken?

FTFA: The server called police on 28-year-old Tasha Adams, who was arrested after the incident last Wednesday and charged with endangering the welfare of a minor.

You only had to read two sentences to discover this.


Yeah that law is like a disorderly conduct charge.

Or NYs felony annoyance law.

Would she be endangering the welfare of a child if she drove home with a .03 bac?
 
2013-11-28 12:55:41 PM
I need more information before I can get outraged. It really depends on how much she was drinking.
 
2013-11-28 12:56:32 PM
I need to know how much the tip was before I can determine the appropriate amount of outrage.
 
2013-11-28 12:57:24 PM

drumhellar: FloydA: This. She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences. The management should have been informed; she was foolish to take on that responsibility herself.

What legal consequences could there possibly be for calling the cops on somebody who is apparently breaking the law?



I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant.  My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call.  Alert the management and get them to handle it.   (Apparently, the restaurant agrees because the waitress was fired.)
 
2013-11-28 12:58:24 PM
I don't always drink breast milk, but when I do,,,
 
2013-11-28 12:58:35 PM
Id help 28 year old Tasha Adams to release the alcohol content of her booze filled titties
 
2013-11-28 01:00:02 PM
For a perfect storm, it needs tipping and a HOA.
 
2013-11-28 01:00:48 PM
What does "drink after drink" mean? Two? Ten?

So this "Being a mother myself" busybody decides to involve herself in a situation she doesn't belong and loses her job. Good.

I'm a server myself, and I know my role. A lot of my job is just biting my tongue. I don't agree with everyone's actions, but it just isn't my place to impart my own judgement or opinions on a customer. My restaurant has a fair share of breastfeeding mothers (we're quite family friendly) and guess what? GASP! some of them have a drink or three. One of my favorite tables breastfeeds as she works into her first drink, and usually the baby is full before the second. The amount of alcohol making it to the milk is minuscule.

Server should have STFU.
 
2013-11-28 01:02:12 PM

FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.


Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.
 
2013-11-28 01:02:31 PM
Now, are we talking titty bar, or what?

Eureka! this is gonna take infused liquor to a whole new level.
 
2013-11-28 01:04:08 PM

orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.


Is that like a city saying the cop was working on his own when he violated your civil rights and he was not a agent of the city at the time even though on duty?
 
2013-11-28 01:04:25 PM
In days gone by (1950s), Guinness would supply a bottle of the stuff for the lunch-tray of every mother in the maternity ward.  As a woman of very scrawny build, when I was breast-feeding my boys I had trouble meeting demand, my midwife recommended the same (amongst other things) to help; after trying a variety (not a beer drinker usually) I settled on Marston's Oyster Stout and my eldest is now a strapping teenager with all of his mental faculties, despite the fact he was fed by a mother who drank a beer a day for the first six months of his life.  The other two appear similarly unaffected; born in the U.S. though, they weren't so lucky and had to make do with Guinness since that was my only choice here.

/An alcoholic shouldn't breast-feed, but then ideally an alcoholic shouldn't get pregnant.
//Still don't really like Guinness
//Still not much of a beer drinker
 
2013-11-28 01:04:49 PM
Was the baby circumcised? Did she bring her declawed pit bull with her? Did she leave a tip? I bet she prefers Chicago-style pizza, which is clearly the best. What kind of beer was she drinking? That's an awful choice!

/DNRTFA
//obviously
 
2013-11-28 01:04:54 PM

FloydA: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant. My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call. Alert the management and get them to handle it.


It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law? No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.
 
2013-11-28 01:04:57 PM

orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.


And the fact that the mother was actually arrested means that she isn't going to suffer any legal consequences at all.
 
2013-11-28 01:07:32 PM

Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA


And a nursing baby weighs what?  10-20 pounds?  They've got no tolerance for booze.  Half a wine cooler and the kid's passed out with his buddies drawing on his face with sharpies.  Sharpies if he's lucky.

But seriously, a little alcohol goes a long way in a tiny body.
 
2013-11-28 01:10:02 PM

drumhellar: FloydA: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant. My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call. Alert the management and get them to handle it.

It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law? No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.


So now she was getting hammered?

what article was that in?

If the wait staff knows the law, why are they wait staff making 10k a year instead of cops making 100k a year?
 
2013-11-28 01:11:11 PM

jtown: Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA

And a nursing baby weighs what?  10-20 pounds?  They've got no tolerance for booze.  Half a wine cooler and the kid's passed out with his buddies drawing on his face with sharpies.  Sharpies if he's lucky.

But seriously, a little alcohol goes a long way in a tiny body.


Not that I condone the actions of the mom in TFA (even though her actions are not clear) but you are talking out of your ass. Several people in this thread have commented that doctors commonly advise nursing mothers to drink a beer to help with milk production.

Tell us Saul T. Balzac M.D.,how specifically does one or two beers imbibed by a nursing mother adversely affect a baby? Be specific.
 
2013-11-28 01:11:59 PM

jst3p: orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.

And the fact that the mother was actually arrested means that she isn't going to suffer any legal consequences at all.


Arrested like that Sampson kid in Miami Gardens was over 200 times?

Being arrested doesn't mean dick. Being charged and found guilty does.
 
2013-11-28 01:12:57 PM

Giltric: drumhellar: FloydA: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant. My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call. Alert the management and get them to handle it.

It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law? No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.

So now she was getting hammered?

what article was that in?

If the wait staff knows the law, why are they wait staff making 10k a year instead of cops making 100k a year?


Did she get arrested? The officer knows more detail than you or I, let's go with his judgement until we know more. Since the officer agreed with the waitress why are you claiming to know better than her?
 
2013-11-28 01:13:40 PM

Giltric: jst3p: orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.

And the fact that the mother was actually arrested means that she isn't going to suffer any legal consequences at all.

Arrested like that Sampson kid in Miami Gardens was over 200 times?

Being arrested doesn't mean dick. Being charged and found guilty does.


It means more than if the police were called and she wasn't arrested.
 
2013-11-28 01:15:10 PM

jst3p: Giltric: drumhellar: FloydA: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant. My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call. Alert the management and get them to handle it.

It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law? No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.

So now she was getting hammered?

what article was that in?

If the wait staff knows the law, why are they wait staff making 10k a year instead of cops making 100k a year?

Did she get arrested? The officer knows more detail than you or I, let's go with his judgement until we know more. Since the officer agreed with the waitress why are you claiming to know better than her?


Because I know what being arrested means and what being charged and found guilty means.

They don't mean the same thing.

Being arrested means well ok I got called out here and because of how it inconvienenced me I'm going to arrest you and let the DA figure out if we should keep you.
 
2013-11-28 01:15:48 PM

Di Atribe: Was the baby circumcised? Did she bring her declawed pit bull with her? Did she leave a tip? I bet she prefers Chicago-style pizza, which is clearly the best. What kind of beer was she drinking? That's an awful choice!

/DNRTFA
//obviously


*twitch*
 
2013-11-28 01:15:57 PM
Is there any documented case of a baby being affected by drinking the milk from a drunk?

From Alcohol in breast milk http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3862407

"... alcohol appeared quickly in both fore- and hind-milk at a level equivalent to or higher than the corresponding blood samples. ...  the large dilution of the alcohol contained in the milk by the baby's body water renders the baby's resultant blood alcohol level very low in all but the most extreme cases."

Roughly, if mom has a BAC of .2 (stupor level) then the milk contains .2% alcohol. If you gave the baby 1oz of 4% beer, it would have to drink 20oz of "alcoholic milk" for the same effect.

While a drunk mom is probably not a good mom, is there any basis to claims that drunks'  milk poison their babies?
 
2013-11-28 01:17:29 PM

HairBolus: Is there any documented case of a baby being affected by drinking the milk from a drunk?

From Alcohol in breast milk http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3862407

"... alcohol appeared quickly in both fore- and hind-milk at a level equivalent to or higher than the corresponding blood samples. ...  the large dilution of the alcohol contained in the milk by the baby's body water renders the baby's resultant blood alcohol level very low in all but the most extreme cases."

Roughly, if mom has a BAC of .2 (stupor level) then the milk contains .2% alcohol. If you gave the baby 1oz of 4% beer, it would have to drink 20oz of "alcoholic milk" for the same effect.

While a drunk mom is probably not a good mom, is there any basis to claims that drunks'  milk poison their babies?


Yes republican laws based on republican science in a republican state.....

Look at how many authoritarians in this thread practice republican science.
 
2013-11-28 01:18:19 PM

Giltric: So now she was getting hammered?


I hope so. Jail sucks when you're sober.
 
2013-11-28 01:19:55 PM
I hope this busybody can't afford gifts for her family now that she's unemployed and they throw her out on the streets. I hope she is so hungry that she is forced to feed from the breast of a crackhead.
 
2013-11-28 01:22:27 PM

Giltric: jst3p: Giltric: drumhellar: FloydA: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea what the relevant laws are in Arkansas, but if the breastfeeding woman was within the legal limits, having her arrested could lead to a lawsuit against the restaurant. My point is, it's not up to the waitstaff to make that type of judgement call. Alert the management and get them to handle it.

It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law? No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.

So now she was getting hammered?

what article was that in?

If the wait staff knows the law, why are they wait staff making 10k a year instead of cops making 100k a year?

Did she get arrested? The officer knows more detail than you or I, let's go with his judgement until we know more. Since the officer agreed with the waitress why are you claiming to know better than her?

Because I know what being arrested means and what being charged and found guilty means.

They don't mean the same thing.

Being arrested means well ok I got called out here and because of how it inconvienenced me I'm going to arrest you and let the DA figure out if we should keep you.


Cops don't arrest people just because they get called out. In fact my brother in law, who is a cop, tells me that in fuzzy cases they look for excuses not to arrest people, the paperwork isn't worth it. Either she was actually endangering the child or she was mouthing off and being a biatch to the cops. Either way, the fact that she was actually arrested means that in civil suit her lawyer would say "she wasn't sure if any laws were being broken and in the estimation of the police there was cause to arrest her, my client was just being cautious in the best interests of the baby."
 
2013-11-28 01:23:32 PM

drumhellar: Giltric: So now she was getting hammered?

I hope so. Jail sucks when you're sober.


So does parenting an infant actually.
 
2013-11-28 01:25:16 PM

FloydA: This. She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences. The management should have been informed; she was foolish to take on that responsibility herself.


Getting management involved would have put the restaurant on the hook for legal consequences since management is employed by the restaurant. Having an officer of the law decide on how to handle the situation makes it the state's problem, not the restaurant's. If an employee made a citizen's arrest, you might have a point but that's not what happened. She protected the restaurant from legal consequences rather than made it liable for them. Maybe the police department now gets sued but that's pretty doubtful. The mother can sue the restaurant if she wishes but it'll quickly be dismissed and mom will be out whatever fees the bottom dwelling lawyer who takes the case knowing it will be dismissed charges.
 
2013-11-28 01:27:22 PM
I better not call the cops on my neighbors for being loud, because if they end up getting arrested they might sue me!
 
2013-11-28 01:28:06 PM

orbister:

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.


You're kidding, right?


drumhellar:

It's up to the officers on the scene to make that judgment call on whether or not somebody gets arrested. How can somebody else get sued for the police deciding that a woman is breaking the law?


Please read this carefully.  IF the breastfeeding woman had been within the legal limits, the cops would not have arrested her, but she would certainly have felt "harassed" by the waitress.  IF that had happened, and the breastfeeder decided to lawyer up, she would have gone after the restaurant, not the individual waitress.  The restaurant was responsible for hiring the waitress, so any competent lawyer would sue the restaurant.

As it turns out, the breastfeeder WAS over the limit and got arrested, so that scenario won't play out.  However, it is NOT up to employees to unilaterally decide to institute a policy that could have any legal repercussions on their employer.  The waitress had no way to know whether the cops would arrest the breastfeeder.  If they hadn't, the breastfeeder could easily have sued and quite possibly won.  This is why restaurants have a chain of command in the first place.

No employee should EVER be afraid of losing their job for calling the police if they witness a crime, and apparently, in AK, getting hammered in public while breastfeeding a small child is considered endangering a minor.


The article mentions "drink after drink," but does not specify how many that actually is, nor what the woman's tolerance, body mass, body fat, etc. are, so concluding that she was "getting hammered" is not warranted by the available evidence.

I agree that employees should not be fired for reporting a crime, so don't misunderstand my point.  I'm just saying that the waitress should have first reported the problem to the manager on duty, rather than going directly to the cops.  The manager's job at a restaurant is to make sure that entry-level employees don't  have to make policy decisions.

(Also, this event took place in Arkansas, not Alaska.)


jst3p: orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.

And the fact that the mother was actually arrested means that she isn't going to suffer any legal consequences at all.



Yes, that's how it turned out, and that's good.  The point is that the waitress had no way to know that it would turn out that way, and it's not her responsibility to make that kind of decision.
 
2013-11-28 01:29:42 PM
When I was a bartender at a chain restaurant and wanted to not serve booze to a 8+ month pregnant woman, my boss told me we could only refuse service to someone who is visibly intoxicated and any other reason could leave the restaurant at risk for a discrimination lawsuit.
 
2013-11-28 01:30:29 PM

FloydA: jst3p: orbister: FloydA: This.  She set the restaurant up for potential legal consequences.

Even if there were any legal consequence. by taking the matter into her own hands and keeping the restaurant out of it she protected them.

And the fact that the mother was actually arrested means that she isn't going to suffer any legal consequences at all.


Yes, that's how it turned out, and that's good.  The point is that the waitress had no way to know that it would turn out that way, and it's not her responsibility to make that kind of decision.


It is anyone's responsibility to call the cops when they see a child endangered. What the hell are you on?
 
2013-11-28 01:31:02 PM

jst3p: jtown: Saul T. Balzac: Breast milk would NOT have the same alcohol content as mom's drink would have.  It's much, much diluted.  The mom can have a beer or two and it would have zero effect on the baby.

/DRTFA

And a nursing baby weighs what?  10-20 pounds?  They've got no tolerance for booze.  Half a wine cooler and the kid's passed out with his buddies drawing on his face with sharpies.  Sharpies if he's lucky.

But seriously, a little alcohol goes a long way in a tiny body.

Not that I condone the actions of the mom in TFA (even though her actions are not clear) but you are talking out of your ass. Several people in this thread have commented that doctors commonly advise nursing mothers to drink a beer to help with milk production.

Tell us Saul T. Balzac M.D.,how specifically does one or two beers imbibed by a nursing mother adversely affect a baby? Be specific.


A beer, not drink after drink, jackass.
 
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