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(Comics Alliance)   In 1961, Marvel took the plot twists and overwrought reaction panels from monster comix, added the angst from teen romances and rolled them up into gripping adventure yarns. Meanwhile at DC: Jimmy Olsen turns into 8' duck; Superman's a dick about it   (comicsalliance.com) divider line 37
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2013-11-28 08:55:55 AM
Holy mother of pearl. This is why you don't write comic book articles in the middle of a coke jag, people.
 
2013-11-28 09:18:08 AM
"gripping adventure yarns"

Okay, who else read that as "gripping adventure YAMS?"
 
2013-11-28 09:51:05 AM

cirby: "gripping adventure yarns"

Okay, who else read that as "gripping adventure YAMS?"


However, Silver Age Superman was the one most likely to face an Adventure Yam.
 
2013-11-28 10:09:17 AM

cirby: "gripping adventure yarns"

Okay, who else read that as "gripping adventure YAMS?"


GISed it, and holy sh*t, it's actually a thing.

photos1.blogger.com
 
2013-11-28 10:12:31 AM

Smashed Hat: Holy mother of pearl. This is why you don't write comic book articles in the middle of a coke jag, people.


So ballin he's doing circles not lines.
 
2013-11-28 10:33:16 AM
God I hate Chris Sims.

He has a good point, though, in that the one thing DC had that Marvel didn't (or at least DC embraced it) was the idea of Legacy heroes, like what happened in The Flash or Green Lantern. Of course, that whole idea has basically been jettisoned in New 52.

Then he goes and compares Identity Crisis to Cry For Justice. I can't believe people are still biatching about Identity Crisis.
 
2013-11-28 11:02:30 AM

Gaambit: God I hate Chris Sims.

He has a good point, though, in that the one thing DC had that Marvel didn't (or at least DC embraced it) was the idea of Legacy heroes, like what happened in The Flash or Green Lantern. Of course, that whole idea has basically been jettisoned in New 52.

Then he goes and compares Identity Crisis to Cry For Justice. I can't believe people are still biatching about Identity Crisis.


Is that the one where Superboy punches a hole in time and resurrects Jason Todd?
 
2013-11-28 11:05:49 AM
www.miami.edu
 
2013-11-28 11:09:37 AM
I clicked out when he said DC destroyed EC comics.  Dude obviously has no sense/idea of history or context.
 
2013-11-28 11:14:19 AM

rjakobi: Gaambit: God I hate Chris Sims.

He has a good point, though, in that the one thing DC had that Marvel didn't (or at least DC embraced it) was the idea of Legacy heroes, like what happened in The Flash or Green Lantern. Of course, that whole idea has basically been jettisoned in New 52.

Then he goes and compares Identity Crisis to Cry For Justice. I can't believe people are still biatching about Identity Crisis.

Is that the one where Superboy punches a hole in time and resurrects Jason Todd?


That was Infinite Crisis, which is still better than much of what DC is putting out now.

Identity Crisis is the murder mystery about who killed Sue Dibny. (and also about mind-wiping Batman).

Then there was Final Crisis, which is still confusing.

....I'm not helping my argument.

/still better
 
2013-11-28 11:40:48 AM
The fundamental difference between Marvel and DC is that Marvel looks at the world from the bottom-up, while DC looks at it from the top-down.
 
2013-11-28 12:02:16 PM
Here's what I know about comics:

Never read one until the New 52.  From DC I read Action (it's AWFUL) and Green Arrow (Love it!)

(I also read Smallville and Injustice but they don't count, though both are heads and shoulders above Action)

From Marvel I read Guardians of the Galaxy (LOVE LOVE LOVE it) and I gave up on Avengers Assemble (Awful).

I also read Star Wars from Dark Horse (the rebooted Star Wars, love it) and THE Star Wars (which is neat if not all that interesting)

Action has been ALL over the place for 2 years and it's a muddled mess.  For a reboot starting at #1, they messed it all up.

Green Arrow has had 10 different writers (or more) in 2 years and although it's been up and down, it's much deeper and more interesting than I expected.
 
2013-11-28 12:39:13 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: The fundamental difference between Marvel and DC is that Marvel looks at the world from the bottom-up, while DC looks at it from the top-down.


I once read a pretty good summation of Marvel vs DC which is something similar. Basically it was something along the lines of marvel comics are about Peter Parker and Tony Stark while DC comics are about Superman and Batman.
 
2013-11-28 12:53:06 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I clicked out when he said DC destroyed EC comics.  Dude obviously has no sense/idea of history or context.


Indeed.

DC essentially destroyed Fawcett. The Government, Comics Code, and Wertham destroyed EC.

/and Identity Crisis was decent, but I now see it as the beginning of the end of DC Comics.
 
2013-11-28 01:22:09 PM
It doesn't really matter to me because, for what I like, Image Comics drinks everyone else's milkshake. If you aren't reading Sex Criminals, you really need to.
 
2013-11-28 01:25:26 PM
The reason that Marvel was so much better is they had Jack Kirby.
 
2013-11-28 02:19:39 PM
they had Jack Kirby

and Steve Ditko
 
2013-11-28 02:38:46 PM
In 1961, Marvel took the plot twists and overwrought reaction panels from monster comix, added the angst from teen romances and rolled them up into gripping adventure yarns. Meanwhile at DC: Jimmy Olsen turns into 8' duck; Superman's a dick about it

Edited for clarity

img.fark.net

/He's always been a dick
 
2013-11-28 02:50:18 PM

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: they had Jack Kirby

and Steve Ditko


But without Stan Lee, neither Kirby or Ditko are worth reading.
 
2013-11-28 03:08:36 PM
"DC was focused on superheroes, and since they had  themost popular superhero ever created, and the  second most popular superhero ever created, and the  third, and the  fourth and the  fifth, and Aquaman"

I ell oh elled.
 
2013-11-28 03:26:42 PM
img.fark.net

That was just pillow talk,  baby.
 
2013-11-28 03:57:55 PM
x > y

no no no

y > x
 
2013-11-28 04:33:08 PM

ZeroCorpse: [img.fark.net image 586x327]

That was just pillow talk,  baby.


I like that the only clothing he's removed is the S.
 
2013-11-28 05:00:10 PM

Gaambit: God I hate Chris Sims.

He has a good point, though, in that the one thing DC had that Marvel didn't (or at least DC embraced it) was the idea of Legacy heroes, like what happened in The Flash or Green Lantern. Of course, that whole idea has basically been jettisoned in New 52.

Then he goes and compares Identity Crisis to Cry For Justice. I can't believe people are still biatching about Identity Crisis.


Because they're both terrible? It is a failure on two levels - first it fails as a story. It is a murder mystery that only works if you believe that once grounded characters can suddenly just "go crazy" because they're female. In general, the comic has some screwed up gender issues, culminating in the in-panel rape of Sue Dibny, an attack with no actual value outside of making Dr. Light into a "serious" villain. 'Cause that's what DC thinks makes a good comic.

And that brings us to the goal of the book, its second and most important failure. Identity Crisis is a book designed to make the whimsical Silver Age stories of the 60's secretly dark and foreboding, injecting the "modern" comics aesthetic into that era. The same goes with mindwiping Batman - a retcon to only put a mark on the older stories, explaining why Batman needs to be a loner. DC may be ashamed of its past, but trying to "fix" those stories in this desperate fashion only reflects more poorly on the company.

Cry for Justice is a terrible book, but at least it is up front with it. Just the panel of Roy using a cat as nunchucks as he goes through his heroin induced delirium is enough to turn a sensible reader off. When it, like Identity Crisis, tried raising the stakes by attacking a female - in this case having a little girl killed - at least no one was reading it.
 
2013-11-28 07:08:43 PM

drumhellar: ZeroCorpse: [img.fark.net image 586x327]

That was just pillow talk,  baby.

I like that the only clothing he's removed is the S.


And he's smoking!
 
2013-11-28 07:27:25 PM

tetsuo02: Gaambit: God I hate Chris Sims.

He has a good point, though, in that the one thing DC had that Marvel didn't (or at least DC embraced it) was the idea of Legacy heroes, like what happened in The Flash or Green Lantern. Of course, that whole idea has basically been jettisoned in New 52.

Then he goes and compares Identity Crisis to Cry For Justice. I can't believe people are still biatching about Identity Crisis.

Because they're both terrible? It is a failure on two levels - first it fails as a story. It is a murder mystery that only works if you believe that once grounded characters can suddenly just "go crazy" because they're female. In general, the comic has some screwed up gender issues, culminating in the in-panel rape of Sue Dibny, an attack with no actual value outside of making Dr. Light into a "serious" villain. 'Cause that's what DC thinks makes a good comic.



It's part of the culture at DC, it seems.

So the legend goes, when the Dr. Light pages came in, there was an editor running through the hallways like Paul Revere exclaiming "THE RAPE PAGES ARE HERE! THE RAPE PAGES ARE HERE!"
 
2013-11-28 07:49:55 PM
I just recently got into comics with new 52 Batman and Green Arrow. They are both good so far, but Green Arrow has an awful plot in it's second volume.
 
2013-11-28 07:56:39 PM

flamingboar: I just recently got into comics with new 52 Batman and Green Arrow. They are both good so far, but Green Arrow has an awful plot in it's second volume.


Now, if you want to go read about the "real" Batman and Green Arrow instead of the Poochie versions, well, you're going to have to do some digging.

Batman 404-442 is a great run, encompassing Year One, Ten Nights of the Beast, Death in the Family, Many Deaths of Batman, Year 3, and A Lonely Place of Dying.

As for GA, Longbow Hunters and the entirety of the Mike Grell run (1-80).

Read those and you won't bother with the Nu52, Rastafied by 10% versions again.
 
2013-11-28 08:27:19 PM

FirstNationalBastard: flamingboar: I just recently got into comics with new 52 Batman and Green Arrow. They are both good so far, but Green Arrow has an awful plot in it's second volume.

Now, if you want to go read about the "real" Batman and Green Arrow instead of the Poochie versions, well, you're going to have to do some digging.

Batman 404-442 is a great run, encompassing Year One, Ten Nights of the Beast, Death in the Family, Many Deaths of Batman, Year 3, and A Lonely Place of Dying.

As for GA, Longbow Hunters and the entirety of the Mike Grell run (1-80).

Read those and you won't bother with the Nu52, Rastafied by 10% versions again.



I'd personally recommend working in the The Long Halloween right after Year One, since it is a great story that continues a lot of the plot threads from Year One despite being written a decade later.
 
2013-11-28 08:46:54 PM

tetsuo02: culminating in the in-panel rape of Sue Dibny, an attack with no actual value outside of making Dr. Light into a "serious" villain. 'Cause that's what DC thinks makes a good comic.

And that brings us to the goal of the book, its second and most important failure. Identity Crisis is a book designed to make the whimsical Silver Age stories of the 60's secretly dark and foreboding, injecting the "modern" comics aesthetic into that era. The same goes with mindwiping Batman - a retcon to only put a mark on the older stories, explaining why Batman needs to be a loner. DC may be ashamed of its past, but trying to "fix" those stories in this desperate fashion only reflects more poorly on the company.

Cry for Justice is a terrible book, but at least it is up front with it. Just the panel of Roy using a cat as nunchucks


Not sure who Roy is in this context, and I know Sue Dibney doesn't have a costumed alter-ego, but this post highlights one of the geekiest pet peeves I have with DC. The characters are near-constantly referring to each other by their real names when in costume. How does that make sense? Admittedly, I'm more of a Marvelite than a DC guy, but still...? Anybody?


/also, using a cat as Nunchuks sounds awesome, and Gail Simone can do no wrong
//She's the Bendis of DC
 
2013-11-28 08:53:09 PM

cirby: "gripping adventure yarns"

Okay, who else read that as "gripping adventure YAMS?"


Yep, me
 
2013-11-28 09:11:44 PM

Brainsick: tetsuo02: culminating in the in-panel rape of Sue Dibny, an attack with no actual value outside of making Dr. Light into a "serious" villain. 'Cause that's what DC thinks makes a good comic.

And that brings us to the goal of the book, its second and most important failure. Identity Crisis is a book designed to make the whimsical Silver Age stories of the 60's secretly dark and foreboding, injecting the "modern" comics aesthetic into that era. The same goes with mindwiping Batman - a retcon to only put a mark on the older stories, explaining why Batman needs to be a loner. DC may be ashamed of its past, but trying to "fix" those stories in this desperate fashion only reflects more poorly on the company.

Cry for Justice is a terrible book, but at least it is up front with it. Just the panel of Roy using a cat as nunchucks

Not sure who Roy is in this context, and I know Sue Dibney doesn't have a costumed alter-ego, but this post highlights one of the geekiest pet peeves I have with DC. The characters are near-constantly referring to each other by their real names when in costume. How does that make sense? Admittedly, I'm more of a Marvelite than a DC guy, but still...? Anybody?


/also, using a cat as Nunchuks sounds awesome, and Gail Simone can do no wrong
//She's the Bendis of DC


Roy is Arsenal.

And I don't know if he used dead cats as nunchuks, but he did rape a dead cat...

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 /it helped him get over his erectile dysfunction

wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net

//yes, these are real panels from comic books by "professionals".
 
2013-11-28 11:56:41 PM
I agree with TFA, but disagree with some of the specifics in relation to why stuff kind of sucks today. However, DC can now do whatever it wants because it's merely a department in an enormous media company with cradle-to-grave market reach. I sincerely wish that "what ever it wants" wasn't more gimmicky, grim bullshiattery.

I kind of wish Batman would do more detecting at Detective Comics.
 
2013-11-29 02:02:24 AM
I can't understand why comics are so important to being a nerd now in 2013. As an outsider it looks like all the great stories of these characters have been told, with a ton of terrible ones to wade through. Why would anyone try and get invested in their newest offerings?

And this whole DC vs Marvel thing seems so petty and tribal. Everyone acts like they're opposing forced of nature, like yin and yang when to people like me they look like coke and Pepsi, essentially the same product with a slightly different taste.
 
2013-11-29 08:40:08 AM

Mad_Radhu: FirstNationalBastard: flamingboar: I just recently got into comics with new 52 Batman and Green Arrow. They are both good so far, but Green Arrow has an awful plot in it's second volume.

Now, if you want to go read about the "real" Batman and Green Arrow instead of the Poochie versions, well, you're going to have to do some digging.

Batman 404-442 is a great run, encompassing Year One, Ten Nights of the Beast, Death in the Family, Many Deaths of Batman, Year 3, and A Lonely Place of Dying.

As for GA, Longbow Hunters and the entirety of the Mike Grell run (1-80).

Read those and you won't bother with the Nu52, Rastafied by 10% versions again.


I'd personally recommend working in the The Long Halloween right after Year One, since it is a great story that continues a lot of the plot threads from Year One despite being written a decade later.


Throw in the Matt Wagner books Batman and the Monster Men, Batman and the Mad Monk, Batman: Faces, Trinity, and the two Grendel/Batman crossovers and you've got a damn fine pre-Robin Batman history, imho.
 
2013-11-29 10:11:14 AM

Doc Batarang: I agree with TFA, but disagree with some of the specifics in relation to why stuff kind of sucks today. However, DC can now do whatever it wants because it's merely a department in an enormous media company with cradle-to-grave market reach. I sincerely wish that "what ever it wants" wasn't more gimmicky, grim bullshiattery.

I kind of wish Batman would do more detecting at Detective Comics.


In fairness, your description can also be applied to Marvel, and Marvel's company is arguably bigger. Much bigger.
 
2013-11-29 01:30:36 PM

Leishu: Doc Batarang: I agree with TFA, but disagree with some of the specifics in relation to why stuff kind of sucks today. However, DC can now do whatever it wants because it's merely a department in an enormous media company with cradle-to-grave market reach. I sincerely wish that "what ever it wants" wasn't more gimmicky, grim bullshiattery.

I kind of wish Batman would do more detecting at Detective Comics.

In fairness, your description can also be applied to Marvel, and Marvel's company is arguably bigger. Much bigger.


Actually I hadn't even thought of that, you're right!
 
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