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(Independent)   Scientists test chemicals that can delete people's memories. Wait...don't we already have that? It's called alcohol   (independent.co.uk) divider line 40
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2013-11-28 08:07:53 AM
Alcohol not only impacts your memory, but your vision too.  Beer goggles anybody?  Where you go to bed with a 10 and wake up with a fat cow!
 
2013-11-28 09:07:40 AM
I know some long term stoners who have deleted their memories.
 
2013-11-28 09:19:04 AM

basemetal: I know some long term stoners who have deleted their memories.


autophiliac.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-28 09:19:25 AM
blog.softwareinsider.org
 
2013-11-28 09:20:30 AM
This is not a good thing for reasons from date rape to political brainwashing.

Do we really want to develop the ability to alter people memories?
 
2013-11-28 09:32:57 AM
Memory erasing chemicals? If that existed, I'd remember hearing about it. Also, if it existed, I'd remember hearing about it.
 
2013-11-28 09:34:06 AM
I'm telling you . Hillary will wipe the floor the that Obama guy. Now, what are we talking about again?
 
2013-11-28 09:38:42 AM

GardenWeasel: I'm telling you . Hillary will wipe the floor the that Obama guy. Now, what are we talking about again?


How George W Bush is going to be a great president and usher in a new age of prosperity and peace.
 
2013-11-28 09:46:57 AM
static2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-11-28 09:57:45 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-28 09:59:21 AM
They actually invented it two years ago but forgot how to make it after testing it out.
 
2013-11-28 10:01:45 AM

Prophet of Loss: This is not a good thing for reasons from date rape to political brainwashing.

Do we really want to develop the ability to alter people memories?

 
2013-11-28 10:06:03 AM
I like to call beers 'memory decompilers'.  So yeah, story checks out.
 
2013-11-28 10:07:00 AM

Prophet of Loss: This is not a good thing for reasons from date rape to political brainwashing.

Do we really want to develop the ability to alter people memories?


I have to disagree on the rape thing.  Not only would this make rape easier, it would make forgetting about said rape easier.  It's really a win/win.
 
2013-11-28 10:11:20 AM
Great, now besides the fluoride they'll be pouring this stuff into the water supply too.
 
2013-11-28 10:11:57 AM

Follow me into the desert as thirsty as you are
Crack a smile and cut your mouth and drown in alcohol
'Cause down below the truth is lying beneath the riverbed
So quench yourself and drink the water that flows below her head

Oh no, there she goes
Out in the sunshine, the sun is mine, the sun is mine
I shot my love today, would you cry for me?
I lost my head again, would you lie for me?

Close your eyes and bow your head, I need a little sympathy
'Cause fear is strong and love's for everyone who isn't me
Kill your health and kill yourself and kill everything you love
And if you live you can fall to pieces and suffer with my ghost

 
2013-11-28 10:16:20 AM

Richard C Stanford: GardenWeasel: I'm telling you . Hillary will wipe the floor the that Obama guy. Now, what are we talking about again?

How George W Bush is going to be a great president and usher in a new age of prosperity and peace.


No, no, no.  We were talking about Bill Clinton and his universal health care plan.
 
2013-11-28 10:52:24 AM

stonelotus: Prophet of Loss: This is not a good thing for reasons from date rape to political brainwashing.

Do we really want to develop the ability to alter people memories?

I have to disagree on the rape thing.  Not only would this make rape easier, it would make forgetting about said rape easier.  It's really a win/win.


So you are asking, if you are raped but don't remember being raped, did it really happen?
 
2013-11-28 11:10:24 AM
Didn't RTFA but don't they already administer drugs like this when people undergo colonoscopies?
 
2013-11-28 11:14:51 AM
I don't know how a chemical could target specific memories, but having experienced a "deleted memory" I have to say anything is possible.

After having radiation treatment to kill a tumor in my eye... and after asking what effect the radiation would have on my brain, being in very close proximity (the radioactive plaque was sewn onto my eyeball positioned in the socket, on the lower back part of the eye), the doctors told me there should be no issues, since the plaque had a shielded backing.

Well... after a few weeks (the treatment took a week), I happened to be looking at some old pictures in a digital camera, and spotted a cat who had been pictured in our house. We had several cats, but this wasn't one of them. The picture had been dated 2005 (my treatment was in 2010). Asking my wife, she said "that's Tigger" - apparently a cat we had for several years before having to put him to sleep due to health issues. A cat that supposedly was inseparable from me when I was home. A cat I have absolutely ZERO memory of.

To make sure I wasn't being messed with, I asked my sons about Tigger, and there response was the same... "your cat", "always on your lap"... basically, any memory related to this cat, directly or indirectly, is completely gone. It's like he never existed. All the vet visits, any interaction with that animal...absolutely erased from my memory, like ait was surgically removed from my brain. Near as I can figure, the radiation managed to zap some key neuron that held everything related to that cat.

I've tried to figure out if I was missing anything else, but I haven't found anything else yet. My technical knowledge, family, friends, even memories going back 40 years are still bouncing around. Even events that took place when we had this cat, and people I knew during that period are easily remembered.
 
2013-11-28 11:25:36 AM

arcas: Didn't RTFA but don't they already administer drugs like this when people undergo colonoscopies?


Those drugs blocks the formation of new memories, it doesn't affect ones you already have.
 
2013-11-28 11:26:31 AM

basemetal: I know some long term stoners who have deleted their memories.


www.indybay.org
 
2013-11-28 11:40:39 AM
Was I one of the test subjects in the clinical trial?
 
2013-11-28 12:13:34 PM
No Paycheck references? That's the movie they actually use a chemical to wipe Ben Affleck's memory.
 
2013-11-28 12:54:39 PM

nmrsnr: No Paycheck references? That's the movie they actually use a chemical to wipe Ben Affleck's memory.


I don't think anyone who saw that remembers it, but I think that's voluntary.
 
2013-11-28 01:01:39 PM

Prophet of Loss: This is not a good thing for reasons from date rape to political brainwashing.

Do we really want to develop the ability to alter people memories?



The most obvious beneficial application would seem to be people with PTSD who don't respond to traditional therapies.
 
2013-11-28 01:09:38 PM
more importantly, didn't the CIA's MKULTRA program attempt this as well?
 
2013-11-28 01:14:57 PM

Snapper Carr: The most obvious beneficial application would seem to be people with PTSD who don't respond to traditional therapies.


Even if you did erase the conscious memory there would still be the subconscious memory, and the involuntary stress reactions would still happen. You just wouldn't know why. It could be even more confusing.
 
2013-11-28 01:20:59 PM
Think about it like suppressed memories. People might not consciously remember a traumatic childhood event, but keep having strange dreams, or react oddly to certain things. Often they have to go through hypnotic regression to extricate it from the subconscious so they can try and deal with it. You'd actually be working backwards with something like this. Taking it from a place they can deal with it, and burying it in the back of the mind.
 
2013-11-28 01:26:01 PM

Snapper Carr: Prophet of Loss: This is not a good thing for reasons from date rape to political brainwashing.

Do we really want to develop the ability to alter people memories?


The most obvious beneficial application would seem to be people with PTSD who don't respond to traditional therapies.


The point is that once something exists, it will be abused. Imagine your revolutionary friends is dragged off by the police and suddenly admits to murders he now "remembers".
 
2013-11-28 01:39:10 PM
There was something I was coming in to warn people about... I just can't remember what.

/oh hai
 
2013-11-28 01:53:39 PM

LazarusLong42: nmrsnr: No Paycheck references? That's the movie they actually use a chemical to wipe Ben Affleck's memory.

I don't think anyone who saw that remembers it, but I think that's voluntary.


Nine people watched that movie, six from his immediate family.
 
2013-11-28 02:32:08 PM
i1232.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-28 03:24:56 PM
Alcohol prevents memories from forming in the first place, like setting a disk to read only.

this is like doing an rm -r on unwanted directories
 
2013-11-28 04:32:05 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-28 04:33:22 PM

Prophet of Loss: This is not a good thing for reasons from date rape to political brainwashing.

Do we really want to develop the ability to alter people memories?


can it be practically be stopped?

no. we'll cope.
 
2013-11-28 11:03:54 PM
Do you need to quaff it?
 
2013-11-29 06:00:09 AM
It reminds me of MIB.
 
2013-11-29 08:04:25 AM
Alcohol only deletes what you did while you were drunk, subby. You need something to delete the horror of what you wake up next to.
 
2013-11-29 02:52:39 PM
Is it being developed in Oregon or Ireland? Pesky immortal elves...
 
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