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(ACLU)   Do you live within 100 miles of the United States border? Congratulations, you just lost your Fourth Amendment rights   (aclu.org) divider line 129
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2013-11-28 02:51:26 AM
Montana has a border patrol station in Billings. Take a look at a map and explain that...
 
2013-11-28 03:02:12 AM
Tag is for article.
 
2013-11-28 03:06:10 AM
October 22, 2008
 
2013-11-28 03:09:31 AM
xkcdcitationneeded.jpg
 
2013-11-28 03:39:42 AM
One of my nieces is the great granddaughter of Sicilian immigrants on her father's side of the family.  She picked up her father's dark olive skin tone.  To a lot of people, both she and her father could easily be mistaken for Mexican.

I have told her to always, always carry her US passport if she is ever in the southwestern US.
 
2013-11-28 07:16:30 AM
"Border Patrol has been setting up checkpoints inland - on highways in states such as California, Texas and Arizona, and at ferry terminals in Washington State. Typically, the agents ask drivers and passengers about their citizenship."


"Papers, please."
 
2013-11-28 07:34:11 AM

gopher321: "Papers, please."


i131.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-28 07:48:37 AM
Old news is old and not new
 
2013-11-28 08:05:53 AM
Great, so now most Canadians don't have 4 amendment rights.
 
2013-11-28 08:11:53 AM
Thanks Obama!
 
2013-11-28 08:23:22 AM

cman: Old news is old and not new


Alex Jones has been telling us about this for years.  That he agrees with the ACLU?  Weird!
 
2013-11-28 08:50:28 AM
CSB Time:

I did my Peace Corps service in a very muslim area of West Africa. After two years, the only clothes I had left were clothes that you could wear everyday in a muslim town, ie light robes and head wraps. Despite my sparkling blue eyes, I'm sure I looked like a 'terrorist' when I landed in DC.

And sure enough, for the first time in my life, I got 'randomly' selected for more intensive search procedures. After they asked me to come to the little room with them, I asked the guy a bit curiously:

"Hey...my passport says I'm an American citizen, right?

"Yes, sir"

"And you have no reason to believe I've done the slightest thing wrong, right? I mean, I didn't trigger a metal detector or anything like that?"

"Yes sir"

"And you know I had to go through security prior to boarding in Dakar, in full accordance with international treaty?"

"Yes. What's your point"

"I'm just curious what your legal justification is for searching my stuff. Fourth Amendment rights and all"

*pause*

"Let me put it to you this way, sir: you're not in the US yet. Airports don't count. And if you don't let us search you, we'll be happy to deny you entry and put you right back on the plane."

*pause*

"Fair enough. Search on, my good man"

I wasn't really trying to be a dick. I was just curious. I figured he would cite some law or legal precedent, but he didn't. And he clearly had never been asked the question or considered an answer before either. People just seem to go with it, when it comes to airport searches. 

Odd.

/end CSB
 
2013-11-28 09:38:41 AM
We live in the country a few miles South of Lake Erie, about an hour from the nearest bridge to Canada, and Border Patrol agent sightings are daily. I've seen them detain people for these searches. Funny how a local LEO is always nearby for "backup"....
 
2013-11-28 09:44:12 AM
Ha ha ha you guys just keep flying over.
 
2013-11-28 09:48:47 AM

log_jammin: gopher321: "Papers, please."

[i131.photobucket.com image 500x281]


You funny guy. Ok, I come back with real passport.
 
2013-11-28 09:55:08 AM

mediablitz: Montana has a border patrol station in Billings. Take a look at a map and explain that...


Have to get those tax dollars somehow.
 
2013-11-28 10:00:58 AM
hey, this just in: your country is a dying totalitarian shiathole, and nobody even wants in.
 
2013-11-28 10:01:19 AM
i527.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-28 10:02:34 AM
This news is so old it's gone through puberty.
 
2013-11-28 10:05:39 AM
So, all of Florida is under these restrictions then?
 
2013-11-28 10:09:37 AM
So?
 
2013-11-28 10:13:53 AM
Just?
 
2013-11-28 10:18:23 AM
Regarding this:

Normally under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the American people are not generally subject to random and arbitrary stops and searches.

People still think this is true?  That's cute.
 
2013-11-28 10:23:33 AM

mediablitz: Montana has a border patrol station in Billings. Take a look at a map and explain that...


Personally, haven driven through Montana, I can kinda understand why. There isn't much else up there. . .

/plus, what the hell are they gonna do in the rest of the state? Blow up cows?
 
2013-11-28 10:24:04 AM
So "just lost" means a little over 5 years ago now?
 
2013-11-28 10:28:12 AM
land of the free my ass. The idea that the United States cherishes freedom is the biggest joke around these days. We lost to Bin Laden, we just haven't all realized it yet.
 
2013-11-28 10:29:37 AM

cman: Old news is old and not new


And every bit as relevant today as it was then.

StillInFayettestan: So?


You are part of the problem.
 
Juc
2013-11-28 10:33:55 AM
Canadians had 4th ammendment rights?
 
2013-11-28 10:40:08 AM
"Am I being detained?"
"Am I free to go?"
 
2013-11-28 10:46:58 AM

whistleridge: "Let me put it to you this way, sir: you're not in the US yet. Airports don't count. And if you don't let us search you, we'll be happy to deny you entry and put you right back on the plane."


I thought the right to reenter your home country could never be denied ?
 
2013-11-28 10:47:02 AM
If I say it once I'll say it again: Everything on the internet is considered public information because you purposely put it up there.
 
2013-11-28 10:47:41 AM
If airports count as borders we're all screwed.  Oh who the hell am I kidding.  Regardless of airports we're all screwed anyway.
 
2013-11-28 10:50:52 AM

padraig: whistleridge: "Let me put it to you this way, sir: you're not in the US yet. Airports don't count. And if you don't let us search you, we'll be happy to deny you entry and put you right back on the plane."

I thought the right to reenter your home country could never be denied ?


I thought the same thing. In fact, that's probably true. But I was in no way prepared to argue that point at that time.
 
2013-11-28 10:57:24 AM
Every foreign embassy , by the Vienna Conventions, is essentially foreign soil, part of the nation the embassy belongs to.

So there may be 200 mile diameter bubbles of 4th amendment free zones scattered across the country, I guess

/wonder how much of the article's 100 mile strip is derived from territorial waters specifications
 
2013-11-28 11:01:34 AM
This has never made it to the SCOTUS?  Not that they would do the right thing but still.
 
2013-11-28 11:02:58 AM
Isn't this a repeat? I know I've seen this on Fark before.

blah blah blah Bush blah blah

Yep. Whar repeat tag?
 
2013-11-28 11:05:11 AM

whistleridge: CSB Time:

I did my Peace Corps service in a very muslim area of West Africa. After two years, the only clothes I had left were clothes that you could wear everyday in a muslim town, ie light robes and head wraps. Despite my sparkling blue eyes, I'm sure I looked like a 'terrorist' when I landed in DC.

And sure enough, for the first time in my life, I got 'randomly' selected for more intensive search procedures. After they asked me to come to the little room with them, I asked the guy a bit curiously:

"Hey...my passport says I'm an American citizen, right?

"Yes, sir"

"And you have no reason to believe I've done the slightest thing wrong, right? I mean, I didn't trigger a metal detector or anything like that?"

"Yes sir"

"And you know I had to go through security prior to boarding in Dakar, in full accordance with international treaty?"

"Yes. What's your point"

"I'm just curious what your legal justification is for searching my stuff. Fourth Amendment rights and all"

*pause*

"Let me put it to you this way, sir: you're not in the US yet. Airports don't count. And if you don't let us search you, we'll be happy to deny you entry and put you right back on the plane."

*pause*

"Fair enough. Search on, my good man"

I wasn't really trying to be a dick. I was just curious. I figured he would cite some law or legal precedent, but he didn't. And he clearly had never been asked the question or considered an answer before either. People just seem to go with it, when it comes to airport searches. 

Odd.

/end CSB


If an airport is not part of US territory, US law can not apply.

It would be like a ship at sea. You could bring actual assault rifles and grenades with you, not these semi auto sporter versions people pee their pants over.

You should have challenged his authority.
 
2013-11-28 11:05:32 AM

mediablitz: Montana has a border patrol station in Billings. Take a look at a map and explain that...


It's to protect the people of Montana from those savages in Wyoming.  Most notably, the Cheneys.
 
2013-11-28 11:05:32 AM
Just because submitter just found out about the 100 mile zone around the border, doesn't mean nobody else knew. Especially those of us who have been within 100 miles of the US border.
 
2013-11-28 11:07:18 AM

wax_on: This has never made it to the SCOTUS?  Not that they would do the right thing but still.


It's like an executive order but written by the Attorney General.
 
2013-11-28 11:14:54 AM
- Is it the new style to start every sentence with a bullet point?
- Because this article seemed to do that a lot.
- Do you see what I'm talking about?
 
2013-11-28 11:16:25 AM
Keep hiring those illegal aliens to raise your kids, mow your yards and serve your restaurant meals. They're just hard working individuals who don't respect laws and have no effect on law-enforcement's behavior.
 
2013-11-28 11:21:01 AM

log_jammin: October 22, 2008


Gods damn that magical time machine!
 
2013-11-28 11:23:01 AM

whistleridge: "Let me put it to you this way, sir: you're not in the US yet. Airports don't count. And if you don't let us search you, we'll be happy to deny you entry and put you right back on the plane."


I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the ICE officer lied to you. IANAL, but I do recall reading a few years ago that the right of entry to the US by US citizens is absolute once you have provided proof of citizenship. Your effects, OTOH...

/RPCV Kenya and Guatemala...welcome to my favs list
 
2013-11-28 11:23:18 AM

BSABSVR: Just because submitter just found out about the 100 mile zone around the border, doesn't mean nobody else knew. Especially those of us who have been within 100 miles of the US border.


There's a Border Patrol checkpoint a dozen or so miles north of Ft. Huachuca.
*pulls up, rolls down window*
What do you want?

BP: Are you a US citizen?

Do I look like a martherfarking Vulcan from Star Trek?

BP: Sir, this is a border checkpoint.

*points over shoulder*
Then you need to fix your GPS. See that big white blimp? It's over Ft. Huachuca, which is well south of us. You'll need to go past it another ten miles to get to the border. I know this because I was stationed there when I was active duty.

BP: Good day, sir.
 
2013-11-28 11:24:37 AM
 
2013-11-28 11:26:51 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Keep hiring those illegal aliens to raise your kids, mow your yards and serve your restaurant meals. They're just hard working individuals who don't respect laws and have no effect on law-enforcement's behavior.


Absolutely! Why can't they just stay in their own countries and starve?
 
2013-11-28 11:28:49 AM
If the current generation of Americans does not challenge this creeping (and sometimes galloping) expansion of federal powers over the individual through the rationale of "border protection," we are not doing our part to keep alive the rights and freedoms that we inherited, and will soon find that we have lost some or all of their right to go about their business, and travel around inside their own country, without interference from the authorities.

There's a fairly easy solution to this: Stop electing Republicans to office, and condemn actions like Arizona's racist policy towards illegal immigrants. The fact is, once the creepy paranoid socially conservative policies are in place, it's hard to remove them, even through the efforts of succeeding administrations.

But you knew that. Back to your "Obama is just like Bush" derping.
 
2013-11-28 11:29:50 AM

wax_on: This has never made it to the SCOTUS?  Not that they would do the right thing but still.


I believe it made it to SCOTUS in 1973 and was interpreted not to work like this

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6933260753627774699
 
2013-11-28 11:30:22 AM

Juc: Canadians had 4th ammendment rights?


Well, we have the same rights that are laid down in the 4th amendment, but they're enumerated in the Canadian Charter of Rights.
 
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