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2013-11-28 12:44:01 AM
The Beck, Limbaugh, Savage and Hannity shows are funded by Clear Channel.  Clear Channel also owns 850 radio stations nationwide.  Clear Channel is owned by Bain Capital (Yes Romney's company).  So a very small group of very wealth men control the message sent to 115 million American's every week.

Those wealthy men do not want their agendas tampered with by a Pope who is actually preaching the real message of the bible.  This Pope has shown by example that he cares for the sick and the poor.  He's said that trickle down economics is a fraud (which it is) and that the rich aren't following God's message.

These wealthy men are going to go toe to toe with a major religion to promote their agenda of creating an American Oligarchy.
 
2013-11-28 12:48:33 AM
FIGHT!

OOH! LIMBAUGH SUFFERS ETERNAL DAMNATION RIGHT AT THE BELL!
 
2013-11-28 12:49:31 AM

NFA: The Beck, Limbaugh, Savage and Hannity shows are funded by Clear Channel.  Clear Channel also owns 850 radio stations nationwide.  Clear Channel is owned by Bain Capital (Yes Romney's company).  So a very small group of very wealth men control the message sent to 115 million American's every week.

Those wealthy men do not want their agendas tampered with by a Pope who is actually preaching the real message of the bible.  This Pope has shown by example that he cares for the sick and the poor.  He's said that trickle down economics is a fraud (which it is) and that the rich aren't following God's message.

These wealthy men are going to go toe to toe with a major religion to promote their agenda of creating an American Oligarchy.


Coincidentally the Clear Channel family is represented by Michael McCaul, a person so un-electable even in Texas that Tom DeLay had to carve out a district just for him (TX-10)

He has no idea what goes on in his district - when a major defense contractor pulled out, the Chronicle asked him about it, and he was apparently totally unaware that 10,000 well-paid jobs just disappeared from his district.

But he's a Republican in Texas, and with the assets of Clear Channel at his disposal, I'd say it's unlikely he actually needs to give a sh*t.
 
2013-11-28 12:52:36 AM
Dimwitted American radio host vs The Catholic Church?

Rush, you used to know how to pick your fights.
 
2013-11-28 01:37:03 AM

NFA: The Beck, Limbaugh, Savage and Hannity shows are funded by Clear Channel.  Clear Channel also owns 850 radio stations nationwide.  Clear Channel is owned by Bain Capital (Yes Romney's company).  So a very small group of very wealth men control the message sent to 115 million American's every week.

Those wealthy men do not want their agendas tampered with by a Pope who is actually preaching the real message of the bible.  This Pope has shown by example that he cares for the sick and the poor.  He's said that trickle down economics is a fraud (which it is) and that the rich aren't following God's message.

These wealthy men are going to go toe to toe with a major religion to promote their agenda of creating an American Oligarchy.


The same type of oligarchy is in place for print and television media as well - a few control the many.  Most of that consolidation occurred last two decades.

/we truly are frogs in a slowly boiling pot
 
2013-11-28 07:56:25 AM
So an incalculably rich monolith best known for legions of never-questioning acolytes bent on spreading the gospel under pain of death and for covering up wanton abuse of little boys...versus the Catholic Church?
 
2013-11-28 08:53:19 AM
White Christian protestants were always taught to detest the evil papist Catholics. A lot of people don't realize what a shiatstorm it was for most WASP's when Kennedy ran for president.They were sure that the U.S. would be enslaved by the Vatican. I was born shortly before Kennedy was elected and grew up Catholic, so the phenomenon of bringing Catholics into the hard right religious movement always seemed very odd to me, and tenuous.
 
2013-11-28 08:55:27 AM
Oh poor Rush. When it's the Dalai Lama or some brown guy with a funny name telling folks the same thing, it's OK, because, obviously, they just don't know any better, but it's almost as if some hippy from Nazareth had gotten to the Pope...

Good luck with this one. I mean, it won't really change the Prosperity Gospel folks, because they parted ways with the Bible a long while ago in favor of their wallets, but Rush and his ilk might want to choke back their bile a bit, because this is a fight they really don't want to pick.

You judge a man by his enemies, and this point, Pope Francis is pissing off all the right people. Good on him.
 
2013-11-28 09:04:23 AM
If the critically deficient ever unplug from Rush's slop all at once, that group moment of realization will throw the planet out of orbit.
 
2013-11-28 09:04:35 AM
As a lapsed Catholic and non-believer, I've been thinking that I kind of like this Pope. The fact that Rush is at odds with him only confirms my suspicion: He must not be half bad.
 
2013-11-28 09:21:05 AM
Well he's right in that the Vatican is opulent but the new Pope can't do anything about that. So Rush has no point, except fark the poor.
 
2013-11-28 09:36:41 AM
Rush Limbaugh is in a rage at the latest social justice preachings of Pope Francis, which the radio voice of the American right described on Wednesday as "pure Marxism."

Duh.  Jesus Christ was a communist.

Seriously, does any "conservative christian" read the fkn Bible?   ANY OF THEM? EVER?
 
2013-11-28 09:47:51 AM
Jesuit pope is Jesuit.
 
2013-11-28 09:48:00 AM
"Mr. Limbaugh, the Pope said this"

"Why that lousy good for nothing Pope"

versus

"Your royal Popeness, Mr. Limbaugh said this"

"Who?"


/I know it's not 'your royal popeness'
 
2013-11-28 09:51:06 AM
Marxist, everything I don't like is Marxist.
 
2013-11-28 10:19:43 AM
"I was willing to cut him some slack..."

Wow, Rush was willing to cut the Pope some slack.  I'm sure the Pope was mighty grateful that El Rushbo cut him some slack.  But now, The Fat One is PO'd...Watch out, Pope!!  Rush may not cut you any slack in the future!!  Then you'll be in REAL trouble!  So shape up Francis, before Rush makes your life a living hell!
 
2013-11-28 10:32:34 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: So an incalculably rich monolith best known for legions of never-questioning acolytes bent on spreading the gospel under pain of death and for covering up wanton abuse of little boys...versus the Catholic Church?


Hhhhmmmhhhmm.
 
2013-11-28 10:36:49 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: As a lapsed Catholic and non-believer, I've been thinking that I kind of like this Pope. The fact that Rush is at odds with him only confirms my suspicion: He must not be half bad.


i'm openly pagan and even I like this Pope.  I don't agree with all his policies but...DAYUM does he got the prosperity gospel preachers and their minions in an uproar!  Francis is quite a thorny problem for the Republicans.  they can't simply dismiss him or his comments.  oh sure, the US evangelicals have never liked the Catholics but they need their support for the pro-life agenda.  so there's a limit on how far they can go with retaliation.  Not to mention that there is NOTHING the likes of Rush Limbaugh can do to threaten the Pope to bring him into line.  Even trying to lean on the Pope is a public relations nightmare for the Right wing.  They can't shut the guy up, they can't ignore him, and even when they disagree with him they have to be respectful of the Church or they risk a schism in the ranks.

Pope Francis is a smart guy.  He's found the one fracture point in the GOP that they can't do anything about and he just hammered a spike thru it with a sledgehammer.  I hope he gives it another whack!
 
2013-11-28 10:39:01 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Marxist, everything I don't like is Marxist.


well yes...I mean I should think that was obvious by now.  it's in the GOP playbook, chapter one - everything not Republican is Marxist.
 
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2013-11-28 10:50:20 AM

Weaver95: i'm openly pagan and even I like this Pope.


I have heard MANY MANY people say what you just said.  Think about it, this Pope has aligned himself and church leadership with the bible, which has attracted a huge number of non-believers.  Who would have guessed?
 
2013-11-28 10:51:27 AM
Wonderful.

Two dark powers at war with each other.
 
2013-11-28 10:59:05 AM

Weaver95: Even trying to lean on the Pope is a public relations nightmare for the Right wing.  They can't shut the guy up, they can't ignore him, and even when they disagree with him they have to be respectful of the Church or they risk a schism in the ranks.


There is always one reliable way to shut him up.  I'm just saying he should carefully check the undercarriage of the popemobile before firing her up.
 
2013-11-28 11:17:12 AM
You heard it here first, folks...

I'm rooting for the Pope.
 
2013-11-28 11:34:22 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: FIGHT!

OOH! LIMBAUGH SUFFERS ETERNAL DAMNATION RIGHT AT THE BELL!


The voting buttons weren't available yet, so I've had to Favorite you instead. My chest hurts from laughing...
 
2013-11-28 11:50:45 AM
I was gonna say in another thread that we needed to strap Kanye West to a rocket and launch him directly into the Sun, but now I think we'd have room to squeeze in Rush on that one-way trip to the nearest star.
 
2013-11-28 11:56:40 AM

bluorangefyre: I was gonna say in another thread that we needed to strap Kanye West to a rocket and launch him directly into the Sun, but now I think we'd have room to squeeze in Rush on that one-way trip to the nearest star.


Kanye is a colossal douchebag but if I had a gun with 2 bullets and he was standing between me and Rush, I would have to say, "Excuse me Mr. West, I have to double tap this motherfarker".
 
2013-11-28 11:57:12 AM

Weaver95: Three Crooked Squirrels: As a lapsed Catholic and non-believer, I've been thinking that I kind of like this Pope. The fact that Rush is at odds with him only confirms my suspicion: He must not be half bad.

i'm openly pagan and even I like this Pope.  I don't agree with all his policies but...DAYUM does he got the prosperity gospel preachers and their minions in an uproar!  Francis is quite a thorny problem for the Republicans.  they can't simply dismiss him or his comments.  oh sure, the US evangelicals have never liked the Catholics but they need their support for the pro-life agenda.  so there's a limit on how far they can go with retaliation.  Not to mention that there is NOTHING the likes of Rush Limbaugh can do to threaten the Pope to bring him into line.  Even trying to lean on the Pope is a public relations nightmare for the Right wing.  They can't shut the guy up, they can't ignore him, and even when they disagree with him they have to be respectful of the Church or they risk a schism in the ranks.

Pope Francis is a smart guy.  He's found the one fracture point in the GOP that they can't do anything about and he just hammered a spike thru it with a sledgehammer.  I hope he gives it another whack!


Francis is certainly doing his part to take on this prosperity gospel shiat, and that's a good thing.  Wow, me kinda liking a pope....that is scary.

Weird times, my friends.  Weird times.
 
2013-11-28 11:58:18 AM
5 bucks on the Pope!
 
2013-11-28 12:01:00 PM
Superstitious derp vs. political derp.

Whoever wins, we lose.
 
2013-11-28 12:01:38 PM
Rush should really think this through. The Pope can tell him to go to hell and mean it.

/Deist
//Likes the guy
 
2013-11-28 12:03:42 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "Mr. Limbaugh, the Pope said this"

"Why that lousy good for nothing Pope"

versus

"Your royal Popeness, Mr. Limbaugh said this"

"Who?"


/I know it's not 'your royal popeness'


He prefers to be called "Frankie P".
 
2013-11-28 12:04:34 PM
Are they fighting over which boys to boink?
 
2013-11-28 12:04:48 PM
Corporate Christians always get their dander up when confronted with the social messages of Biblical Christianity.
 
2013-11-28 12:05:56 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Rush should really think this through. The Pope can tell him to go to hell and mean it.

/Deist
//Likes the guy


True, but I can't actually imagine Francis *would do that*.

I was excited when I'd heard they'd picked a Jesuit pope. This is everything I'd hoped for.

/Not catholic
//But did go to a Jesuit University for undergrad
 
2013-11-28 12:05:58 PM
How many divisions has Rush?
 
2013-11-28 12:06:33 PM
Not a catholic, but boy am I rooting for Pope Frank
 
2013-11-28 12:06:35 PM
blu.stb.s-msn.com

31So Moses went back to the Lord and said, "Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold. 32But now, please forgive their sin-but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written."

33The Lord replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book. 34Now go, lead the people to the place I spoke of, and my angel will go before you. However, when the time comes for me to punish, I will punish them for their sin."
 
2013-11-28 12:07:48 PM
Rush will never convert to Catholicism until the Church starts using those oxycontin communion wafers.
 
2013-11-28 12:07:51 PM

ultraholland: [blu.stb.s-msn.com image 650x433]

31So Moses went back to the Lord and said, "Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold. 32But now, please forgive their sin-but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written."

33The Lord replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book. 34Now go, lead the people to the place I spoke of, and my angel will go before you. However, when the time comes for me to punish, I will punish them for their sin."


Does that gold mic flip open like a codeine dispensing Pez?
 
2013-11-28 12:09:52 PM

I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'


El Poparino?
 
2013-11-28 12:10:53 PM
See?  It's the same old thing every time.  The Republican outreach program to Hispanics was just gaining momentum and then someone blurts out how they really feel.
 
2013-11-28 12:11:23 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?


Mr Popeil?
 
2013-11-28 12:12:40 PM

Godscrack: Wonderful.

Two dark powers at war with each other.


Rupert Murdoch's medea Empire/Clear Channel/(most) Neo-Cons = Nazi Germany?

Catholic Church=Soviet Union?

/ still rooting for the Catholics on this one.
//if it eventually turns into a bloody Crusade, I'd shed no tears watching the Neo-Cons being "re-educated" by a militant Catholic Order*
/// *bring back the Teutonic Knights
 
2013-11-28 12:13:12 PM

Frederick: NFA: The Beck, Limbaugh, Savage and Hannity shows are funded by Clear Channel.  Clear Channel also owns 850 radio stations nationwide.  Clear Channel is owned by Bain Capital (Yes Romney's company).  So a very small group of very wealth men control the message sent to 115 million American's every week.

Those wealthy men do not want their agendas tampered with by a Pope who is actually preaching the real message of the bible.  This Pope has shown by example that he cares for the sick and the poor.  He's said that trickle down economics is a fraud (which it is) and that the rich aren't following God's message.

These wealthy men are going to go toe to toe with a major religion to promote their agenda of creating an American Oligarchy.

The same type of oligarchy is in place for print and television media as well - a few control the many.  Most of that consolidation occurred last two decades.

/we truly are frogs in a slowly boiling pot


The free market has spoken.  If this were a bad situation then people wouldn't buy their products.
 
2013-11-28 12:13:19 PM
If there were such a thing as an active and powerful god, Limbaugh would already have been turned into a boar or a hog or something.

Hey ...hold on  ...?!?!?
 
2013-11-28 12:14:57 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: So an incalculably rich monolith best known for legions of never-questioning acolytes bent on spreading the gospel under pain of death and for covering up wanton abuse of little boys...versus the Catholic Church?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-28 12:16:38 PM

unyon: Weaver95: Even trying to lean on the Pope is a public relations nightmare for the Right wing.  They can't shut the guy up, they can't ignore him, and even when they disagree with him they have to be respectful of the Church or they risk a schism in the ranks.

There is always one reliable way to shut him up.  I'm just saying he should carefully check the undercarriage of the popemobile before firing her up.


Not sure if serious. Unfortunately, whether serious or not, it's quite true.
 
2013-11-28 12:17:12 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?


The Popemeister!
 
2013-11-28 12:21:18 PM

Cuchulane: I was born shortly before Kennedy was elected and grew up Catholic, so the phenomenon of bringing Catholics into the hard right religious movement always seemed very odd to me, and tenuous.


Good conservatives know that once you burn a bridge, you should periodically return to the site and burn down any reconstruction efforts as well.
 
2013-11-28 12:24:52 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-28 12:25:31 PM

Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!


Pope-n-Fresh (or Fab Fresh Frankie P)
 
2013-11-28 12:25:52 PM
Of all the things Pope Frank has done up until now, the fact that Limbaugh hates him has swayed me.  Googling for "Jesuit churches" in my area right now...
 
2013-11-28 12:28:18 PM
Some things in life are bad. They can really make you made. Other things make you spit and curse.
 
2013-11-28 12:30:15 PM
But Rush is outraged about Obama closing the Vatican Embassy, right?
 
2013-11-28 12:31:36 PM

Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!


His Extreme Popeliness
 
2013-11-28 12:33:08 PM

Cuchulane: White Christian protestants were always taught to detest the evil papist Catholics. A lot of people don't realize what a shiatstorm it was for most WASP's when Kennedy ran for president.They were sure that the U.S. would be enslaved by the Vatican. I was born shortly before Kennedy was elected and grew up Catholic, so the phenomenon of bringing Catholics into the hard right religious movement always seemed very odd to me, and tenuous.


Yup
Just another anti-papist rank from people who have always HATED the pope.
YAWN

/1) I am an atheist and think all religion is delusion. 2) this pope sure has been different than the last one (in good ways) 3) being against religion is not the same as thinking that this new pope sure seems to be following christ, not christianity
 
2013-11-28 12:34:12 PM

gravy chugging cretin.: But Rush is outraged about Obama closing the Vatican Embassy, right?


Probably.  Even though he isn't

Of course, most of what get Rush and his teabagger minions' panties in a twist isn't real, so I'm sure he is outraged.
 
2013-11-28 12:34:44 PM
I'm sure Pope Francis is severely concerned about the response his social views engender in a man with three divorces, who smuggled Viagra in his luggage to a country known for child prostitution, who has only a flirting knowledge of the "thou should not bear false witness" commandment, and who regularly takes God's name in vain several times an hour by saying the Lord endorses his program by giving him his talent.

Severely concerned.
 
2013-11-28 12:36:20 PM

kpaxoid: See?  It's the same old thing every time.  The Republican outreach program to Hispanics was just gaining momentum and then someone blurts out how they really feel.


And moderate Catholics, who pretty much vote Democrat.
Certainly ex-catholics.

/no, I dont have any citations. But I have election maps and maps of religion by area.
 
2013-11-28 12:38:56 PM
Before i read any of the comments I wanted to say that this :


  I thought he was going a little overboard on the 'common man' touch and I thought there might have been a little bit of PR involved there.  But nevertheless, I was willing to cut him some slack . . . If he wants to eschew the physical trappings of the Vatican, O.K. Cool. Fine.

sickened me.   fark you Rush.  "willing to cut him some slack"?   For actually trying to live a LITTLE BIT like the Jesus actually taught?

Goddammit Rush, shut the fark up, YOU COCK.
 
2013-11-28 12:40:15 PM

namatad: Just another anti-papist rank from people who have always HATED the pope.


The KKK was an anti-Catholic group. Blacks weren't the only type of sub-humans that shouldn't live among true Americans and needed to be driven away.
 
2013-11-28 12:40:29 PM

Prey4reign: Rush will never convert to Catholicism until the Church starts using those oxycontin communion wafers.


Or when the Altar boys start wearing chaps.
 
2013-11-28 12:41:07 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: So an incalculably rich monolith best known for legions of never-questioning acolytes bent on spreading the gospel under pain of death and for covering up wanton abuse of little boys...versus the Catholic Church?


Ok, you win.~``
 
2013-11-28 12:41:11 PM
Nobody expects the spanish papal inquisition.
 
2013-11-28 12:42:25 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
Against my better judgement, I like this new Pope.
 
2013-11-28 12:45:59 PM

Cuchulane: White Christian protestants were always taught to detest the evil papist Catholics. A lot of people don't realize what a shiatstorm it was for most WASP's when Kennedy ran for president.They were sure that the U.S. would be enslaved by the Vatican. I was born shortly before Kennedy was elected and grew up Catholic, so the phenomenon of bringing Catholics into the hard right religious movement always seemed very odd to me, and tenuous.


Fart_Machine: Corporate Christians always get their dander up when confronted with the social messages of Biblical Christianity.


Aaaand we're done here.
 
2013-11-28 12:47:31 PM

namatad: Cuchulane: White Christian protestants were always taught to detest the evil papist Catholics. A lot of people don't realize what a shiatstorm it was for most WASP's when Kennedy ran for president.They were sure that the U.S. would be enslaved by the Vatican. I was born shortly before Kennedy was elected and grew up Catholic, so the phenomenon of bringing Catholics into the hard right religious movement always seemed very odd to me, and tenuous.

Yup
Just another anti-papist rank from people who have always HATED the pope.
YAWN

/1) I am an atheist and think all religion is delusion. 2) this pope sure has been different than the last one (in good ways) 3) being against religion is not the same as thinking that this new pope sure seems to be following christ, not christianity


I'm right there with you dude. I'm an atheist now, but I was raised in a pretty liberal, help-the-poor-and-less-fortunate Catholic Church. Just because I don't think Jesus was the son of god (or that he might not have even existed), doesn't mean I disagree with what Jesus says in the bible. I mean, dude was all about the social justice and taking care of "the least among thee". It's just too bad more atheist don't realize how positive and beneficial Jesus' philosophy was.

Mostly I blame Paul and Christians in general. And I think Ghandi said it best: "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians, they are not like Christ."
 
2013-11-28 12:47:37 PM

Lionel Mandrake: gravy chugging cretin.: But Rush is outraged about "Obama closing the Vatican Embassy", right?

Probably.  Even though he isn't

Of course, most of what get Rush and his teabagger minions' panties in a twist isn't real, so I'm sure he is outraged.


Forgot the quotes.  Sorry.  I blame the Bloody Marys
 
2013-11-28 12:52:28 PM
I remember, many years ago, Rush talked about how the story of Joseph and the coat of many colors advocated reducing taxes.  Basically, Joseph came to the Pharoh and told him about the seven years of plenty followed by seven years of need.

Long story short, Rush's interpretation was crap.  It had nothing to do with (and never even mentioned) reducing taxes.  It did, however, cite the wisdom of IMPOSING taxes (or raising them, if they were already in place).

Basically, we should raise taxes, is what I'm saying.
 
2013-11-28 12:52:57 PM
files.abovetopsecret.com
 
2013-11-28 12:53:32 PM

NFA: The Beck, Limbaugh, Savage and Hannity shows are funded by Clear Channel.  Clear Channel also owns 850 radio stations nationwide.  Clear Channel is owned by Bain Capital (Yes Romney's company).  So a very small group of very wealth men control the message sent to 115 million American's every week.

Those wealthy men do not want their agendas tampered with by a Pope who is actually preaching the real message of the bible.  This Pope has shown by example that he cares for the sick and the poor.  He's said that trickle down economics is a fraud (which it is) and that the rich aren't following God's message.

These wealthy men are going to go toe to toe with a major religion to promote their agenda of creating an American Oligarchy.


Prosperity gospel heretics getting schooled about what Jesus really said.

Can't say I'm surprised the rich feel threatened by a Pope that holds to what Jesus of Nazareth ministered.
 
2013-11-28 12:54:03 PM

Musikslayer: Prey4reign: Rush will never convert to Catholicism until the Church starts using those oxycontin communion wafers.

Or when the Altar boys start wearing chaps.


I'd like to request some modicum of fairness and civility when talking about Limbaugh's sexual problems. I mean yes, we all know he's a drug addicted hypocrite who brings erection medication when he travels as a single to third world nations known for sex tourism... but we don't know for certain that he was there to fark little boys.
 
2013-11-28 01:00:29 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Rush Limbaugh is in a rage at the latest social justice preachings of Pope Francis, which the radio voice of the American right described on Wednesday as "pure Marxism."

Duh.  Jesus Christ was a communist.

Seriously, does any "conservative christian" read the fkn Bible?   ANY OF THEM? EVER?


Biggest. Rhetorical. Question. Ever.

You know, if supposed Christians ever read the Bible that they claim to follow, they wouldn't be a prosperity gospel heretics.
 
2013-11-28 01:01:08 PM
"I believe in an America... where no public official either accepts or requests instruction on public policy from the Pope."- JFK's 'Religion Speech'

If you don't want the Pope having any say on birth control or gay marriage, don't go touting his statements on economics and tax policy as if I should care any more about those opinions. 

Also, this is nothing new. Popes have been spouting empty, hypocritical social-democratic platitudes for well over a century.
 
2013-11-28 01:03:17 PM
Jesus: "One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

Pope: "Yeah, what he said."

Capitalists: "FUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu"
 
2013-11-28 01:03:49 PM

glmorrs1: I mean, dude was all about the social justice and taking care of "the least among thee"


When he wasn't busy condemning divorce and remarriage as adultery, or cursing random fig trees.
 
2013-11-28 01:04:11 PM

Churchill2004: "I believe in an America... where no public official either accepts or requests instruction on public policy from the Pope."- JFK's 'Religion Speech'

If you don't want the Pope having any say on birth control or gay marriage, don't go touting his statements on economics and tax policy as if I should care any more about those opinions. 

Also, this is nothing new. Popes have been spouting empty, hypocritical social-democratic platitudes for well over a century.


I don't think they're platitudes in this case. He doesn't just talk the talk...
 
2013-11-28 01:05:05 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Are they fighting over which boys to boink?


This pope may actually go after the child-boinkers or, better yet, let secular authorities do so. The recent staff changes he's been making, both in the Papal "Court" and in the Vatican bank, have been to specifically remove men who were allies of those behind the child-boinker coverup. It's possible he's slowly getting ready to blow the lid off that entire terrible business.

I'm not a Catholic, but from a strategic pov that's something he needs to do. The child-molestation scandals lost them most of the US, French, and English congregations decades ago, but more recently it's cost them Ireland, the Catholic parts of Germany, and some of the Polish, Central American, and South American faithful as well. They really can't afford to not do anything about this in the hopes of winning back those European and American congregations.
 
2013-11-28 01:06:09 PM

Churchill2004: "I believe in an America... where no public official either accepts or requests instruction on public policy from the Pope."- JFK's 'Religion Speech'

If you don't want the Pope having any say on birth control or gay marriage, don't go touting his statements on economics and tax policy as if I should care any more about those opinions. 

Also, this is nothing new. Popes have been spouting empty, hypocritical social-democratic platitudes for well over a century.


I'mma pat you on the head.
 
2013-11-28 01:07:17 PM

Mike_1962: I don't think they're platitudes in this case. He doesn't just talk the talk...


He's the Pope. All he does is talk.

He's still the CEO of a multi-billion dollar international corporation, that has extensive real estate and artistic holdings.

A guy who  literally owns his own country telling others to give up their wealth is the very definition of hypocrisy.
 
2013-11-28 01:08:10 PM
New Pope has these bastards running scared. That can only mean he's right.
 
2013-11-28 01:09:21 PM
I really wish that people in this country had enough goddamn common sense to tell people like rush limbaugh to shut the fark up and go away.

Sadly, the country is full of ignorant, spiteful, hate filled assholes.  fark this place.
 
2013-11-28 01:15:31 PM
Does anyone here believe that Rush is any more real than Archie Bunker?
 
2013-11-28 01:15:56 PM
Psst, the dude Christ was actually a bit of a socialist.
 
2013-11-28 01:17:44 PM

Corvus: Psst, the dude Christ was actually a bit of a socialist.


He was more akin to the guy standing on a street corner wearing a "Repent! The End is Near!" sign. That's what Jesus actually preached- that the end of the world was coming soon.
 
2013-11-28 01:19:28 PM
While Rush's venom is always a spiteful and horrible thing, there IS a reason why genuine Catholicism and capitalism have historically been at odds- because it was Protestants who invented capitalism in the first place! Pope Francis is just going back to the positive side of what Catholicism used to be. A landmark book proves this hypothesis, and it is a standard sociology text at many universities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_ Ca pitalism

However, when Rush says "There's no such (thing as) 'unfettered capitalism.' That doesn't exist anywhere." he forgot one last word in his sentence- Yet.

///Some right-wingers would love there to be unfettered capitalism, and are working towards it with all their might, and the ONLY reason we don't have it yet is because we the people are just so ornery and refuse to stop fighting back!
 
2013-11-28 01:21:51 PM

Great_Milenko: I really wish that people in this country had enough goddamn common sense to tell people like rush limbaugh to shut the fark up and go away.

Sadly, the country is full of ignorant, spiteful, hate filled assholes.  fark this place.


QFT
 
2013-11-28 01:22:47 PM

Do you know the way to Mordor: Catholicism and capitalism have historically been at odds- because it was Protestants who invented capitalism in the first place!


and the world is a much better place for it. 

I'll take capitalism over Catholicism any day, no apologies.
 
2013-11-28 01:24:16 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?


If you're not into the whole brevity thing...
 
2013-11-28 01:25:23 PM

coyo: Does anyone here believe that Rush is any more real than Archie Bunker?


Just doing an act? Impossible to tell really. But damn that would be exhausting to play that character for however number of days a week he's on for however many years he's been doing it if he wasn't sincere.
 
2013-11-28 01:29:56 PM

glmorrs1: I'm right there with you dude. I'm an atheist now, but I was raised in a pretty liberal, help-the-poor-and-less-fortunate Catholic Church. Just because I don't think Jesus was the son of god (or that he might not have even existed), doesn't mean I disagree with what Jesus says in the bible. I mean, dude was all about the social justice and taking care of "the least among thee". It's just too bad more atheist don't realize how positive and beneficial Jesus' philosophy was.


THIS
 
2013-11-28 01:31:10 PM

Churchill2004: glmorrs1: I mean, dude was all about the social justice and taking care of "the least among thee"

When he wasn't busy condemning divorce and remarriage as adultery, or cursing random fig trees.


You know, I was going to say I never said he was perfect or that I agree with 100% of what he said, but then I read the rest of the thread and now I'm just wondering who pissed in your cherrios turkey and dressing.

/modified for the holiday
 
2013-11-28 01:36:50 PM
The most amazing thing about all this is the Pope is managing to get these modern-day Pharisees to preach against the very Bible they profess to believe in.

Pope Francis hasn't changed a single policy of the Church. The position of the Church on abortion and same-sex marriage hasn't changed. The position of the Church on charity and peace and giving hasn't changed. The scripture he cites is from the same Bible that the prosperity gospel preachers sermonize from (but mostly ignore).

The only thing the Pope has done is state that to an outsider looking in for the past few years, it would seem like the only issues the Church cared about were abortion, gays, and contraception. The Council of Bishops didn't spend nearly the time or effort decrying homelessness, or cuts in food stamps, as they did opposing gay rights. The bishop in Illinois that performed an "exorcism" after same-sex marriage passed in Illinois was silent as many of his own parishioners likely were getting squeezed by multinational entities, reduced food assistance, and cuts to local programs.

All the Pope has said is that all those issues that Jesus preached about matter, and in fact he preached aboit those things an order of magnitude more than he spoke about gays (not at all) and the like.

And for that, he has the Republican Party and its mouthpieces actively preaching AGAINST the Bible. Stunning.
 
2013-11-28 01:39:58 PM
" I thought he was going a little overboard on the 'common man' touch and I thought there might have been a little bit of PR involved there. "

Pretending to care about the common man is OK for PR purposes. Actually caring about them is socialism.

The GOP: Not your common man's party!
 
2013-11-28 01:40:08 PM
I'll take Franky the Pope in the 4th round with the Holy Hand Grenade.
 
2013-11-28 01:41:30 PM
Churchill2004:He's the Pope. All he does is talk.
He's still the CEO of a multi-billion dollar international corporation, that has extensive real estate and artistic holdings.
A guy who  literally owns his own country telling others to give up their wealth is the very definition of hypocrisy.


He's the Pope. That much is true. Everything else you've made up missed the mark. The Pope no more owns the Vatican than the President owns the White House. In fact, the Pope (literally) owns nothing and is paid nothing.
 
2013-11-28 01:42:16 PM
"Now, up until this - I'm not Catholic. Up until this, I have to tell you, I was admiring the man.  I thought he was going a little overboard on the 'common man' touch...."

Yeah, isn't the Christian world a little too old for that 'blessed are the meek' nonsense?

"But regardless, what this is - Somebody has either written this for him or gotten to him.  This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the Pope."

Somebody has gotten to him! They've influenced Francis! It's almost as if since becoming the Pope there's some new insidious line of communication telling him these scandalous beliefs.

What horrible Marxist is speaking directly to Pope Francis?! Rush Limbaugh's never heard this before and he's afraid!
 
2013-11-28 01:43:14 PM
Why does anyone think that the pope has any impact on American culture or politics?  It's another way for Rush to beat his chest and rile his audience.

Supreme court is comprised of six Catholics and three Jews. (I bet that kills the evangelicals)

four decidedly conservative Catholics
one liberal
one moderate (Kennedy)

Boehner - Catholic
Pelosi  - Catholic
Paul Ryan - Catholic
Biden - Catholic.

There is no Catholic political common ground.   And the Pope makes no difference.
 
2013-11-28 01:46:20 PM
Still trying to figure out this one whose torrid affair with Rush Limbaugh landed her on 2 Broke Girls. Could it be Rush is a Theological Svengali, ministering to the bisexuals among us, and Francis is in line as a conquest?

www.24spoilers.com
 
2013-11-28 01:47:46 PM
Yes, Lardbaugh, tell Catholics what to believe.

Please, proceed.
 
2013-11-28 01:49:33 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: So an incalculably rich monolith best known for legions of never-questioning acolytes bent on spreading the gospel under pain of death and for covering up wanton abuse of little boys...versus the Catholic Church?


You magnificent bastard. Thank you.
 
2013-11-28 01:50:46 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: As a lapsed Catholic and non-believer, I've been thinking that I kind of like this Pope. The fact that Rush is at odds with him only confirms my suspicion: He must not be half bad.


Yeah, I might actually start going to church again.  I grew up Catholic, still call myself that if people ask, but I've only been marginally attached to the church - basically a Christmas and Easter Catholic.

I've always really respected the Jesuits, and I think we're long since overdue for a Jesuit pope.  I just hope he lives a long time - while hopefully we're past the days of cardinals murdering popes (or popes exhuming dead popes and putting them on trial...) I just worry that whenever he does pass, the ideological pendulum will swing hard in the other direction.
 
2013-11-28 01:51:14 PM
Pathetic Rush Limbaugh. He's thinks the pseudo-Christianity shilled by conservatives is the real thing. Talk about Jesus if it gets you votes but having sympathy for the poor is Marxism, Socialism, pinko commie talk. Like most people of his narrow mindset, he has no idea what a real Christian stands for.

I'd be surprised if Limbaugh even knows the difference between Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Facism, etc. but I know he knows his audience doesn't. You ever notice how conservatives sling those terms around as if they're interchangeable? Mainly because they know their audience is uneducated and has no idea. It's pathetic but Limbaugh is shameless. If I were Barack Obama, I'd have had his overlarge white ass accidentally droned by now.
 
2013-11-28 01:53:16 PM

riverwalk barfly: Why does anyone think that the pope has any impact on American culture or politics?  It's another way for Rush to beat his chest and rile his audience.

Supreme court is comprised of six Catholics and three Jews. (I bet that kills the evangelicals)

four decidedly conservative Catholics
one liberal
one moderate (Kennedy)

Boehner - Catholic
Pelosi  - Catholic
Paul Ryan - Catholic
Biden - Catholic.

There is no Catholic political common ground.   And the Pope makes no difference.


Vatican kinda sets the overall theme for the church.

If he theme is less "shame homosexuals and baby killers" and more "shame the greedy rich," well, great.
 
2013-11-28 01:55:08 PM

Corvus: Psst, the dude Christ was actually a bit of a socialist.


I posted this, my FB *lit up*with uber-christians telling me how absolutley wrong I was.   Posted scripture to counteract their messages, nadda.  "You're wrong!"
 
2013-11-28 01:55:45 PM

Mugato: Well he's right in that the Vatican is opulent but the new Pope can't do anything about that. So Rush has no point, except fark the poor.


Actually, he has.
 
2013-11-28 01:56:40 PM

square028: I'll take Franky the Pope in the 4th round with the Holy Hand Grenade.


"Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out."
 
2013-11-28 01:58:37 PM
The tight relationship between Catholics and conservative Protestants in the U.S. has always seemed bizarre to me. The only thing they seem to have in common is the abortion issue. Catholics have sold out on practically everything they ever believed in for that single issue.
 
2013-11-28 01:59:46 PM

sendtodave: riverwalk barfly: Why does anyone think that the pope has any impact on American culture or politics?  It's another way for Rush to beat his chest and rile his audience.

Supreme court is comprised of six Catholics and three Jews. (I bet that kills the evangelicals)

four decidedly conservative Catholics
one liberal
one moderate (Kennedy)

Boehner - Catholic
Pelosi  - Catholic
Paul Ryan - Catholic
Biden - Catholic.

There is no Catholic political common ground.   And the Pope makes no difference.

Vatican kinda sets the overall theme for the church.

If he theme is less "shame homosexuals and baby killers" and more "shame the greedy rich," well, great.


True.  But I went to Catholic School for twelve years.   My senior class produced to Priests.  One is very much like Francis and one is very much like Benedict.  I don't think either will change their sermons based on what the current Pope is preaching.  It's the American Catholic church - a whole other monster.
 
2013-11-28 02:03:04 PM
FTFA: "
As to Evangelii Gaudum, however, Limbaugh argued:
"I mean, it totally befuddled me.  If it weren't for capitalism, I don't know where the Catholic Church would be.  Now, as I mentioned before, I'm not Catholic.  I admire it profoundly and I've been tempted a number of times to delve deeper into it.  But the Pope here has now gone beyond Catholicism here, and this is pure political. ""

So Rush is saying he understands more about Catholics than the pope and then argues against the Gospels which clearly state that rich men should either give their money to help the poor if they would have any hope of being saved.  Not the writings of Paul but the Gospels!  Rush has stepped in it big time.  All Republicans tried as hard as they could to not speak too much about what the Gospels say about the wealthy, but this brings it into a mainline discussion.
 
2013-11-28 02:06:55 PM

riverwalk barfly: Why does anyone think that the pope has any impact on American culture or politics?  It's another way for Rush to beat his chest and rile his audience.

Supreme court is comprised of six Catholics and three Jews. (I bet that kills the evangelicals)

four decidedly conservative Catholics
one liberal
one moderate (Kennedy)

Boehner - Catholic
Pelosi  - Catholic
Paul Ryan - Catholic
Biden - Catholic.

There is no Catholic political common ground.   And the Pope makes no difference.


STRANGE
But when I cross states by religion, I see catholic states being pretty strongly blue.
 
2013-11-28 02:09:57 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: The tight relationship between Catholics and conservative Protestants in the U.S. has always seemed bizarre to me. The only thing they seem to have in common is the abortion issue. Catholics have sold out on practically everything they ever believed in for that single issue.


Catholics or some Catholics?
Because while they preach against abortion, they get abortions like everyone else ...
 
2013-11-28 02:11:13 PM
That fat fark is really arguing that he understands Christianity better than the Pope, isn't he?
 
2013-11-28 02:11:13 PM

Darth Macho: "Now, up until this - I'm not Catholic. Up until this, I have to tell you, I was admiring the man.  I thought he was going a little overboard on the 'common man' touch...."

Yeah, isn't the Christian world a little too old for that 'blessed are the meek' nonsense?

"But regardless, what this is - Somebody has either written this for him or gotten to him.  This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the Pope."

Somebody has gotten to him! They've influenced Francis! It's almost as if since becoming the Pope there's some new insidious line of communication telling him these scandalous beliefs.

What horrible Marxist is speaking directly to Pope Francis?! Rush Limbaugh's never heard this before and he's afraid!


Rush obviously is completely ignorant of the name he chose: St. Francis of Assisi would have thought what the Pope said was a bit lenient on the rich.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi
 
2013-11-28 02:13:15 PM

Godscrack: Wonderful.

Two dark powers at war with each other.


It's like what would have happened if Saruman had gone to war with Sauron after all.
 
2013-11-28 02:13:44 PM
Greatest Pope since Paul VI. Still has a lot of work to do before he can reach those heights. He'll never be as great as John XXIII, but c'mon, J23 was one of the greatest men of the 20th century. Arguably the single most influential person of that period.
/We (Catholics) got a raw deal with JP1. I think he would have been a similar Pope to Francis had he had the time. JP2 was basically the (necessary) stenographer for the work of P6. Benedict XVI gets a bad rap for being the worst Pope of the last 50+ years but overall, those were some serious popes. I give him props for having the humility to step down as he did.
 
2013-11-28 02:14:49 PM

FatherDale: Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!

His Extreme Popeliness


Snoop Popey Pope
 
2013-11-28 02:15:17 PM

Churchill2004: Do you know the way to Mordor: Catholicism and capitalism have historically been at odds- because it was Protestants who invented capitalism in the first place!

and the world is a much better place for it. 

I'll take capitalism over Catholicism any day, no apologies.


Remember though- Unfettered capitalism AND unfettered stateism have both trampled on human rights for centuries. What we need is a society where every institution, private and public, is constantly and permanently open and accountable to ALL the country's citizens.

A pipe dream, I know, but as long as people keep fighting for it we can at least keep the dream alive.
 
2013-11-28 02:18:51 PM
The American author WIlliam Faulkner was once asked what he thought of Christianity.

He replied that it seemed like a pretty good religion and that we should try it sometime.


/with apologies to James Lee Burke
 
2013-11-28 02:19:16 PM

Ablejack: John XXIII,


No love for Pope Leo XIII?
 
2013-11-28 02:21:25 PM

Ablejack: The Pope no more owns the Vatican than the President owns the White House. In fact, the Pope (literally) owns nothing and is paid nothing.


The President is not an absolute monarch. The Pope is. Unless you're going to try to argue that nobody owns the Vatican, which is ridiculous, then the Pope does. There's no "on behalf of the people" social-contract stuff going on with the Vatican. If anything, "owning" understates the Pope's relationship to the Vatican. If he ordered the place burned down or sold off tomorrow nobody could stop him, and he couldn't be charged with any crime for doing so. He can't even be removed from office against his will. By any reasonable standard, the Pope is one of the wealthiest men on the planet. The fig-leaf that it's all owned by the Holy See or the Church or the Vatican City State and not in the name of "Jorge Mario Bergoglio" (or "Francis") doesn't really have any bearing on that analysis, because all of those entities are entirely under the sole and absolute control of Francis/Bergoglio. If some billionaire owned his mansion and all his assets through a one-man corporation, you wouldn't accept that as proof of his actual poverty.
 
2013-11-28 02:23:34 PM
Good. Rush Limbaugh is proving what everyone who follows Jesus already know.. the GOP are lead by the anti-Christ and are false prophets.
 
2013-11-28 02:28:35 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: FatherDale: Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!

His Extreme Popeliness

Snoop Popey Pope


Pope-a-doodle-doo
 
2013-11-28 02:29:49 PM
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
John Kenneth Galbraith Rand Paul
 
2013-11-28 02:37:03 PM

Churchill2004: Ablejack: The Pope no more owns the Vatican than the President owns the White House. In fact, the Pope (literally) owns nothing and is paid nothing.

The President is not an absolute monarch. The Pope is. Unless you're going to try to argue that nobody owns the Vatican, which is ridiculous, then the Pope does. There's no "on behalf of the people" social-contract stuff going on with the Vatican. If anything, "owning" understates the Pope's relationship to the Vatican. If he ordered the place burned down or sold off tomorrow nobody could stop him, and he couldn't be charged with any crime for doing so. He can't even be removed from office against his will. By any reasonable standard, the Pope is one of the wealthiest men on the planet. The fig-leaf that it's all owned by the Holy See or the Church or the Vatican City State and not in the name of "Jorge Mario Bergoglio" (or "Francis") doesn't really have any bearing on that analysis, because all of those entities are entirely under the sole and absolute control of Francis/Bergoglio. If some billionaire owned his mansion and all his assets through a one-man corporation, you wouldn't accept that as proof of his actual poverty.


You're right, they should sell their priceless treasures and real estate to Goldman Sachs executives so that nobody but the rich would ever be able to see it again.
 
2013-11-28 02:41:01 PM
Ex-Catholic atheist here. I have posted before that I like Pope Francis. He reminds of the priests I had in SoCal as a kid. Like the "leftist" Catholics in Central and South America. Cast as villains because they spoke out about the same things. But the Catholics I met in other places I grew up, like Nebraska and West Virginia were far more conservative.
Pope Francis has now very publicly taken the ideology of the people who were the architects of those regimes. What are the odds that we could actually see a schism in the American Catholic Church?
 
2013-11-28 02:42:49 PM

USCLaw2010: Churchill2004: Ablejack: The Pope no more owns the Vatican than the President owns the White House. In fact, the Pope (literally) owns nothing and is paid nothing.

The President is not an absolute monarch. The Pope is. Unless you're going to try to argue that nobody owns the Vatican, which is ridiculous, then the Pope does. There's no "on behalf of the people" social-contract stuff going on with the Vatican. If anything, "owning" understates the Pope's relationship to the Vatican. If he ordered the place burned down or sold off tomorrow nobody could stop him, and he couldn't be charged with any crime for doing so. He can't even be removed from office against his will. By any reasonable standard, the Pope is one of the wealthiest men on the planet. The fig-leaf that it's all owned by the Holy See or the Church or the Vatican City State and not in the name of "Jorge Mario Bergoglio" (or "Francis") doesn't really have any bearing on that analysis, because all of those entities are entirely under the sole and absolute control of Francis/Bergoglio. If some billionaire owned his mansion and all his assets through a one-man corporation, you wouldn't accept that as proof of his actual poverty.

You're right, they should sell their priceless treasures and real estate to Goldman Sachs executives so that nobody but the rich would ever be able to see it again.


That's not what I said. I just said it's ridiculous to assert the Pope isn't wealthy.
 
2013-11-28 02:48:13 PM

Churchill2004: Also, this is nothing new. Popes have been spouting empty, hypocritical social-democratic platitudes for well over a century.


Both sides are bad, vote Limbaugh.
 
2013-11-28 02:49:30 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: The tight relationship between Catholics and conservative Protestants in the U.S. has always seemed bizarre to me. The only thing they seem to have in common is the abortion issue. Catholics have sold out on practically everything they ever believed in for that single issue.


No. They also have blah-man-in-the-White-House in common. Not to mention civil rights since 1964. Come to Chicago and talk to some white Catholics.
 
2013-11-28 02:51:14 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: FatherDale: Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!

His Extreme Popeliness

Snoop Popey Pope


The Bishop Formerly Known as Popey
 
2013-11-28 02:52:41 PM
Well, this could make Thanksgiving with my very Catholic, very Republican in-laws interesting indeed.

/not bringing it up
 
2013-11-28 02:54:09 PM

Weaver95: Three Crooked Squirrels: As a lapsed Catholic and non-believer, I've been thinking that I kind of like this Pope. The fact that Rush is at odds with him only confirms my suspicion: He must not be half bad.

i'm openly pagan and even I like this Pope.  I don't agree with all his policies but...DAYUM does he got the prosperity gospel preachers and their minions in an uproar!  Francis is quite a thorny problem for the Republicans.  they can't simply dismiss him or his comments.  oh sure, the US evangelicals have never liked the Catholics but they need their support for the pro-life agenda.  so there's a limit on how far they can go with retaliation.  Not to mention that there is NOTHING the likes of Rush Limbaugh can do to threaten the Pope to bring him into line.  Even trying to lean on the Pope is a public relations nightmare for the Right wing.  They can't shut the guy up, they can't ignore him, and even when they disagree with him they have to be respectful of the Church or they risk a schism in the ranks.

Pope Francis is a smart guy.  He's found the one fracture point in the GOP that they can't do anything about and he just hammered a spike thru it with a sledgehammer.  I hope he gives it another whack!


I'm a Pagan and I like the Pope because he seems like a decent guy who honestly has a brain somewhere in his skull. The rest is just gravy. :p
 
2013-11-28 02:54:29 PM
Ooh, Francis is never going to win re-election now.
 
2013-11-28 02:54:35 PM

Skleenar: Both sides are bad, vote Limbaugh.


I'm pretty sure we're not going to see any election between an American talk-show idiot and an Argentinian voodoo-peddler living in Italy.
 
2013-11-28 02:55:59 PM

Churchill2004: Ablejack: The Pope no more owns the Vatican than the President owns the White House. In fact, the Pope (literally) owns nothing and is paid nothing.

The President is not an absolute monarch. The Pope is. Unless you're going to try to argue that nobody owns the Vatican, which is ridiculous, then the Pope does. There's no "on behalf of the people" social-contract stuff going on with the Vatican. If anything, "owning" understates the Pope's relationship to the Vatican. If he ordered the place burned down or sold off tomorrow nobody could stop him, and he couldn't be charged with any crime for doing so. He can't even be removed from office against his will. By any reasonable standard, the Pope is one of the wealthiest men on the planet. The fig-leaf that it's all owned by the Holy See or the Church or the Vatican City State and not in the name of "Jorge Mario Bergoglio" (or "Francis") doesn't really have any bearing on that analysis, because all of those entities are entirely under the sole and absolute control of Francis/Bergoglio. If some billionaire owned his mansion and all his assets through a one-man corporation, you wouldn't accept that as proof of his actual poverty.


Something you might want to keep in mind is that formalized relationships do not necessarily accurately represent 'power', if you're relying on such in terms of defining ownership. If the pope indeed ordered the Vatican burned down tomorrow, I think it is very unrealistic to state that "nobody could stop him" - people would almost certainly do so, regardless of what the organizational chart says.

Just as the absolute monarchs you invoke did, in practice, not rule absolutely, neither does the pope.
 
2013-11-28 02:58:32 PM

Churchill2004: Skleenar: Both sides are bad, vote Limbaugh.

I'm pretty sure we're not going to see any election between an American talk-show idiot and an Argentinian voodoo-peddler living in Italy.


And yet, you've spent a inordinate amount of time in this thread running down the Argentinian voodoo-pedder.  I mean, you know, for someone who sees both sides as bad.
 
2013-11-28 02:59:44 PM
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l- xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum_en.html

Pope Leo XIII had this to say in 1891:

"Hence, by degrees it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition. The mischief has been increased by rapacious usury, which, although more than once condemned by the Church, is nevertheless, under a different guise, but with like injustice, still practiced by covetous and grasping men. To this must be added that the hiring of labor and the conduct of trade are concentrated in the hands of comparatively few; so that a small number of very rich men have been able to lay upon the teeming masses of the laboring poor a yoke little better than that of slavery itself. "

SOCIALISM!!!

" To remedy these wrongs the socialists, working on the poor man's envy of the rich, are striving to do away with private property, and contend that individual possessions should become the common property of all, to be administered by the State or by municipal bodies. They hold that by thus transferring property from private individuals to the community, the present mischievous state of things will be set to rights, inasmuch as each citizen will then get his fair share of whatever there is to enjoy. But their contentions are so clearly powerless to end the controversy that were they carried into effect the working man himself would be among the first to suffer. They are, moreover, emphatically unjust, for they would rob the lawful possessor, distort the functions of the State, and create utter confusion in the community. "

Oh. Or, justice. Whatever.
 
2013-11-28 03:03:21 PM

Skleenar: Churchill2004: Skleenar: Both sides are bad, vote Limbaugh.

I'm pretty sure we're not going to see any election between an American talk-show idiot and an Argentinian voodoo-peddler living in Italy.

And yet, you've spent a inordinate amount of time in this thread running down the Argentinian voodoo-pedder.  I mean, you know, for someone who sees both sides as bad.


Nobody in the thread is venerating Limbaugh as some kind of awesome dude.
 
2013-11-28 03:05:52 PM
I'm honestly surprised there's only been one white knight for Rush in here so far. Of course it is a holiday
 
2013-11-28 03:16:57 PM

Heron: Lenny_da_Hog: Are they fighting over which boys to boink?

This pope may actually go after the child-boinkers or, better yet, let secular authorities do so. The recent staff changes he's been making, both in the Papal "Court" and in the Vatican bank, have been to specifically remove men who were allies of those behind the child-boinker coverup. It's possible he's slowly getting ready to blow the lid off that entire terrible business.

I'm not a Catholic, but from a strategic pov that's something he needs to do. The child-molestation scandals lost them most of the US, French, and English congregations decades ago, but more recently it's cost them Ireland, the Catholic parts of Germany, and some of the Polish, Central American, and South American faithful as well. They really can't afford to not do anything about this in the hopes of winning back those European and American congregations.


It's something they need to do.

I guess that's why they elected a pope from Argentina, where child-sex is rampant.
 
2013-11-28 03:18:52 PM
33The Lord replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book. 34Now go, lead the people to the place I spoke of, and my angel will go before you. However, when the time comes for me to punish, I will punish them for their sin."

-Rand Paul
 
2013-11-28 03:20:29 PM

Churchill2004: USCLaw2010: Churchill2004: Ablejack: The Pope no more owns the Vatican than the President owns the White House. In fact, the Pope (literally) owns nothing and is paid nothing.

The President is not an absolute monarch. The Pope is. Unless you're going to try to argue that nobody owns the Vatican, which is ridiculous, then the Pope does. There's no "on behalf of the people" social-contract stuff going on with the Vatican. If anything, "owning" understates the Pope's relationship to the Vatican. If he ordered the place burned down or sold off tomorrow nobody could stop him, and he couldn't be charged with any crime for doing so. He can't even be removed from office against his will. By any reasonable standard, the Pope is one of the wealthiest men on the planet. The fig-leaf that it's all owned by the Holy See or the Church or the Vatican City State and not in the name of "Jorge Mario Bergoglio" (or "Francis") doesn't really have any bearing on that analysis, because all of those entities are entirely under the sole and absolute control of Francis/Bergoglio. If some billionaire owned his mansion and all his assets through a one-man corporation, you wouldn't accept that as proof of his actual poverty.

You're right, they should sell their priceless treasures and real estate to Goldman Sachs executives so that nobody but the rich would ever be able to see it again.

That's not what I said. I just said it's ridiculous to assert the Pope isn't wealthy.


Which would suggest that the Pope has direct control over the Vatican's holdings which he really doesn't.
 
2013-11-28 03:21:05 PM
ClearChannel vs. the Vatican? What a nice early Christmas present a month out. I'm not even Christian, and Pope Francis makes me want to convert.

Aside from the reasons already stated in the comments, ClearChannel is on my eternal shiat list for cancelling the only real rock station in the Bay Area (KSJO) with no warning or notice. And this is a station that had a legendary vault of live rock recordings;  from classic Bay Area concerts of Jimi Hendrix, Led Zepplin, The Who, Carlos Santana and Bob Marley up to the studio jam of 'Tuesday's Gone' by Metalica featuring Les Claypool, Jerry Cantrel, and Garry Rossington (this was a good 3 years before it got released on an album).

So yeah, fark Clear Channel. They deserve to be tied into a dying broadcasting model.
 
2013-11-28 03:30:24 PM

Fart_Machine: Which would suggest that the Pope has direct control over the Vatican's holdings which he really doesn't


Nonsense- of course he does. That he chooses to exercise that control within self-imposed restraints doesn't change the fact that he has control over Vatican holdings. Not even in some abstract, in-name-only sense. As a day-to-day matter the Pope absolutely has the final say over what investments the Vatican Bank makes or whether this-or-that building gets renovated at such-and-such expense, etc. He has more practical power over those holdings than Elizabeth II has over her holdings, and nobody would say with a straight face that she isn't rich.
 
2013-11-28 03:42:01 PM

Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!


My google-fu came up with "Your Holiness".

Good thing I checked, cos I was about to go with "Your Eminence"...but I guess that's for the bishops.
 
2013-11-28 03:42:44 PM

Churchill2004: He has more practical power over those holdings than Elizabeth II has over her holdings, and nobody would say with a straight face that she isn't rich.


Probably because the Queen has an actual portfolio handled by the government.  In theory the Pope could say that all Catholic assets now belong to the public.  In reality if he tried to do this the Cardinals would probably find other means of removing him which historically isn't unheard of.
 
2013-11-28 03:42:53 PM
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2013-11-28 03:44:15 PM

syzygy whizz: Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!

My google-fu came up with "Your Holiness".

Good thing I checked, cos I was about to go with "Your Eminence"...but I guess that's for the bishops.


George Carlin used to talk about 'ways to say hello'.  His favorite?  'How's your hammer hanging?'

"I always wanted to say that to a high church official.  'Good evening, your Holiness.  How hangs the hammer?'"
 
2013-11-28 03:49:16 PM
Pope Francis couldn't have chosen better adversaries: Sarah Palin, antisemitic Holocaust deniers, now Rush Limbaugh.

Based on current trends, it's only a matter of time before Kanye West denounces him.
 
2013-11-28 03:56:25 PM

Captain Dan: Pope Francis couldn't have chosen better adversaries: Sarah Palin, antisemitic Holocaust deniers, now Rush Limbaugh.

Based on current trends, it's only a matter of time before Kanye West denounces him.


I'm waiting to hear what John Rocker has to say.
 
2013-11-28 03:56:56 PM

Peter von Nostrand: I'm honestly surprised there's only been one white knight for Rush in here so far. Of course it is a holiday


Using tu Quoque no less.
 
2013-11-28 04:07:42 PM
No matter the subject; the pope is right and Rachel Maddow and Rush are wrong.
 
2013-11-28 04:14:29 PM

Alphax: syzygy whizz: Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!

My google-fu came up with "Your Holiness".

Good thing I checked, cos I was about to go with "Your Eminence"...but I guess that's for the bishops.

George Carlin used to talk about 'ways to say hello'.  His favorite?  'How's your hammer hanging?'

"I always wanted to say that to a high church official.  'Good evening, your Holiness.  How hangs the hammer?'"


Now see, if you worshiped the Norse gods, like me, that would be appropriate.
Your god - died nailed to a tree.
My god - carries hammer.
Do the math, motherf**ker.
 
2013-11-28 04:16:05 PM

BitwiseShift: Still trying to figure out this one whose torrid affair with Rush Limbaugh landed her on 2 Broke Girls. Could it be Rush is a Theological Svengali, ministering to the bisexuals among us, and Francis is in line as a conquest?

[www.24spoilers.com image 212x300]


DAMNIT, CHLOE, WE DON'T HAVE TIME..

/hubbahubba
 
2013-11-28 04:16:41 PM

jso2897: Alphax: syzygy whizz: Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!

My google-fu came up with "Your Holiness".

Good thing I checked, cos I was about to go with "Your Eminence"...but I guess that's for the bishops.

George Carlin used to talk about 'ways to say hello'.  His favorite?  'How's your hammer hanging?'

"I always wanted to say that to a high church official.  'Good evening, your Holiness.  How hangs the hammer?'"

Now see, if you worshiped the Norse gods, like me, that would be appropriate.
Your god - died nailed to a tree.
My god - carries hammer.
Do the math, motherf**ker.


Yes, but another god of yours got farked by a horse.
 
2013-11-28 04:20:17 PM

Felgraf: jso2897: Alphax: syzygy whizz: Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!

My google-fu came up with "Your Holiness".

Good thing I checked, cos I was about to go with "Your Eminence"...but I guess that's for the bishops.

George Carlin used to talk about 'ways to say hello'.  His favorite?  'How's your hammer hanging?'

"I always wanted to say that to a high church official.  'Good evening, your Holiness.  How hangs the hammer?'"

Now see, if you worshiped the Norse gods, like me, that would be appropriate.
Your god - died nailed to a tree.
My god - carries hammer.
Do the math, motherf**ker.

Yes, but another god of yours got farked by a horse.


he just has more gods because practice makes perfect...
 
2013-11-28 04:22:00 PM

Felgraf: jso2897: Alphax: syzygy whizz: Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!

My google-fu came up with "Your Holiness".

Good thing I checked, cos I was about to go with "Your Eminence"...but I guess that's for the bishops.

George Carlin used to talk about 'ways to say hello'.  His favorite?  'How's your hammer hanging?'

"I always wanted to say that to a high church official.  'Good evening, your Holiness.  How hangs the hammer?'"

Now see, if you worshiped the Norse gods, like me, that would be appropriate.
Your god - died nailed to a tree.
My god - carries hammer.
Do the math, motherf**ker.

Yes, but another god of yours got farked by a horse.


And another hung himself from a tree for seven days to learn how to write.  I guess words are hard.
 
2013-11-28 04:32:12 PM

Churchill2004: Mike_1962: I don't think they're platitudes in this case. He doesn't just talk the talk...

He's the Pope. All he does is talk.

He's still the CEO of a multi-billion dollar international corporation, that has extensive real estate and artistic holdings.

A guy who  literally owns his own country telling others to give up their wealth is the very definition of hypocrisy.


I don't know. He just got there. Rome wasn't burned in a day.
 
2013-11-28 05:04:07 PM

Kibbler: More_Like_A_Stain: FatherDale: Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!

His Extreme Popeliness

Snoop Popey Pope

The Bishop Formerly Known as Popey


A Pope Named Francis. Please say the whole thing if you would? Yes, that includes the "A Pope Named" part. Yes, Tom, every time.
 
2013-11-28 05:12:21 PM

Anonymous Bosch: That fat fark is really arguing that he understands Christianity better than the Pope, isn't he?


Pride goeth before the fall.  Where did I read that?
 
2013-11-28 05:22:17 PM
FTA "This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the Pope.  There's no such (thing as) 'unfettered capitalism.' That doesn't exist anywhere."

Wow. Just....wow. If Jesus were to come back today, I guarantee you this Limbaugh would be the first to to try to lynch the man. After all, heaven forbid He Cleanses the Temple again.

Limbaugh ought to be ashamed.

/Christian
 
Ab3
2013-11-28 05:26:36 PM
This came up on my Facebook feed and one of my super-right wing pals (one even my other right wing pals have put on ignore.) Insisted that Jesus said NOT to help the poor and backed it up by quoting Matthew 26:11--"You will always have the poor among you . . . "

Once I read that I needed to go look at smut on Tumblr to clear my head...
 
2013-11-28 05:29:49 PM

Flappyhead: Anonymous Bosch: That fat fark is really arguing that he understands Christianity better than the Pope, isn't he?

Pride goeth before the fall.  Where did I read that?


In Limbaughs case I think Matthew 6:24 fits the bill quite nicely.

Limbaugh has made it clear that he puts capitalism before faith, money before God and his own desires above the needs of man.

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
 
2013-11-28 05:44:44 PM

jso2897: Alphax: syzygy whizz: Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!

My google-fu came up with "Your Holiness".

Good thing I checked, cos I was about to go with "Your Eminence"...but I guess that's for the bishops.

George Carlin used to talk about 'ways to say hello'.  His favorite?  'How's your hammer hanging?'

"I always wanted to say that to a high church official.  'Good evening, your Holiness.  How hangs the hammer?'"

Now see, if you worshiped the Norse gods, like me, that would be appropriate.
Your god - died nailed to a tree.
My god - carries hammer.
Do the math, motherf**ker.


Didn't Odin hang himself from a tree, pierced by his own spear, for 9 days and nights and then got himself down? I'd go with the Odin comparison, personally. That said, I believe this is obligatory:

i1126.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-28 05:59:50 PM

Orange-Pippin: Limbaugh ought to be ashamed.


Psychopaths feel no shame.
 
2013-11-28 06:00:47 PM
Rush will talk shiat about the Pope on the radio all he wants because if he walks the walk into the Vatican, he will only take one step in before he inflates and explodes like Thunder in Big Trouble in Little China.
 
2013-11-28 06:01:36 PM

Weaver95: Three Crooked Squirrels: As a lapsed Catholic and non-believer, I've been thinking that I kind of like this Pope. The fact that Rush is at odds with him only confirms my suspicion: He must not be half bad.

i'm openly pagan and even I like this Pope.  I don't agree with all his policies but...DAYUM does he got the prosperity gospel preachers and their minions in an uproar!  Francis is quite a thorny problem for the Republicans.  they can't simply dismiss him or his comments.  oh sure, the US evangelicals have never liked the Catholics but they need their support for the pro-life agenda.  so there's a limit on how far they can go with retaliation.  Not to mention that there is NOTHING the likes of Rush Limbaugh can do to threaten the Pope to bring him into line.  Even trying to lean on the Pope is a public relations nightmare for the Right wing.  They can't shut the guy up, they can't ignore him, and even when they disagree with him they have to be respectful of the Church or they risk a schism in the ranks.

Pope Francis is a smart guy.  He's found the one fracture point in the GOP that they can't do anything about and he just hammered a spike thru it with a sledgehammer.  I hope he gives it another whack!


Serious question. What if the Pope came out in support of the Democrats this next election cycle. No Be side stepping. Lead off DNC speach just saying that if you consider yourself a Christian you can not possible justify pulling the R lever. How would the Right attack machine respond?
 
2013-11-28 06:07:23 PM

FloridaWombat: Felgraf: jso2897: Alphax: syzygy whizz: Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!

My google-fu came up with "Your Holiness".

Good thing I checked, cos I was about to go with "Your Eminence"...but I guess that's for the bishops.

George Carlin used to talk about 'ways to say hello'.  His favorite?  'How's your hammer hanging?'

"I always wanted to say that to a high church official.  'Good evening, your Holiness.  How hangs the hammer?'"

Now see, if you worshiped the Norse gods, like me, that would be appropriate.
Your god - died nailed to a tree.
My god - carries hammer.
Do the math, motherf**ker.

Yes, but another god of yours got farked by a horse.

And another hung himself from a tree for seven days to learn how to write.  I guess words are hard.


So what you're saying is, he was hung for 9 days and not only did he survive to tell the tale, but he taught himself to read while he was there.
 
2013-11-28 06:58:04 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: So an incalculably rich monolith best known for legions of never-questioning acolytes bent on spreading the gospel under pain of death and for covering up wanton abuse of little boys...versus the Catholic Church?


See, now that's why you I have you faved in your own unique color.

So I never miss stuff like that.

Oh, and Rush Limbaugh is a pudding-headed tub of goo who's picked a very, very stupid fight here.
 
2013-11-28 06:59:34 PM

bigsteve3OOO: No matter the subject; the pope is right and Rachel Maddow and Rush are wrong.


Evolution.
 
2013-11-28 07:03:22 PM

cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: No matter the subject; the pope is right and Rachel Maddow and Rush are wrong.

Evolution.


Being a Jesuit the pope agrees that the theory of evolution is the most likely until science can refine it to be more accurate.  What is your point?  Evolution and Christianity are not at all mutually exclusive.
 
2013-11-28 07:06:35 PM

cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: No matter the subject; the pope is right and Rachel Maddow and Rush are wrong.

Evolution.


The Catholic church has long accepted evolution, is this news to you?
 
2013-11-28 07:13:09 PM

cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: No matter the subject; the pope is right and Rachel Maddow and Rush are wrong.

Evolution.


It's right there in the Catechism:

283 The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers. With Solomon they can say: "It is he who gave me unerring knowledge of what exists, to know the structure of the world and the activity of the elements. . . for wisdom, the fashioner of all things, taught me."
 
2013-11-28 07:30:20 PM

bigsteve3OOO: No matter the subject; the pope is right and Rachel Maddow and Rush are wrong.


BSABSVC
 
2013-11-28 07:45:40 PM

Confabulat: cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: No matter the subject; the pope is right and Rachel Maddow and Rush are wrong.

Evolution.

The Catholic church has long accepted evolution, is this news to you?


If anything, Pope Francis may FINALLY convince people that the Catholic Church =/= evangelical Christians, no matter how hard they want to believe it.
 
2013-11-28 07:46:20 PM
I like the new Pope.  Just thought I'd mention that social justice has been a big part of Catholic teaching for a long time, and it helped influence progressive politics in America.

http://prospect.org/article/god-and-new-deal

http://cuomeka.wrlc.org/exhibits/show/industrial/documents/cri-doc4

http://www.usccb.org/upload/economic_justice_for_all.pdf
 
2013-11-28 07:46:25 PM

Churchill2004: Corvus: Psst, the dude Christ was actually a bit of a socialist.

He was more akin to the guy standing on a street corner wearing a "Repent! The End is Near!" sign. That's what Jesus actually preached- that the end of the world was coming soon.


Show us on thls doll where the church touched you......
 
2013-11-28 08:03:53 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "Mr. Limbaugh, the Pope said this"

"Why that lousy good for nothing Pope"

versus

"Your royal Popeness, Mr. Limbaugh said this"

"Who?"


/I know it's not 'your royal popeness'


Your Royal Popeness would be a great Fark handle.
 
2013-11-28 08:28:06 PM
Which one of these is dissing the Catholic Church:  (A) moving the embassy, or (B) calling the Pope a commie?

If you chose (B), you might be a wingnut.
 
2013-11-28 08:37:10 PM
I thought the Washington Times article a few links below said we have to be nice to the Vatican and the Pope or we offend all American Catholics?
 
2013-11-28 08:52:53 PM

Kibbler: The Dog Ate My Homework: The tight relationship between Catholics and conservative Protestants in the U.S. has always seemed bizarre to me. The only thing they seem to have in common is the abortion issue. Catholics have sold out on practically everything they ever believed in for that single issue.

No. They also have blah-man-in-the-White-House in common. Not to mention civil rights since 1964. Come to Chicago and talk to some white Catholics.


Really?  I've been chilling with some Chicago Catholics all day here on the South Side and they like the blah guy *and* Pope Frankie.  Maybe your problem is cub fans.
 
2013-11-28 09:17:32 PM
i1301.photobucket.com

NFA:
Clear Channel is owned by Bain Capital (Yes Romney's company).

These wealthy men are going to go toe to toe with a major religion to promote their agenda of creating an American Oligarchy.
 
2013-11-28 09:36:40 PM
evil vs good?

Bring it.
 
2013-11-28 09:52:47 PM

hubiestubert: You judge a man by his enemies, and this point, Pope Francis is pissing off all the right people. Good on him.


All. Of. This. All of it.

Lionel Mandrake: Seriously, does any "conservative christian" read the fkn Bible?   ANY OF THEM? EVER?


If they really read about Jesus and believed it, they wouldn't be conservative.
 
2013-11-28 09:55:42 PM

glmorrs1: I blame Paul


Behold, the problem with modern "Christians"
 
2013-11-28 09:59:08 PM
Rush better be careful, or the Pope will cast Flame Strike.

www.planetbaldursgate.com
 
2013-11-28 09:59:33 PM

BitwiseShift: Still trying to figure out this one whose torrid affair with Rush Limbaugh landed her on 2 Broke Girls. Could it be Rush is a Theological Svengali, ministering to the bisexuals among us, and Francis is in line as a conquest?

[www.24spoilers.com image 212x300]


This I. What? Just. Just and? No, caught sayof.

*bzzt*

*bzz bzzt*
 
2013-11-28 10:01:39 PM

grumpfuff: glmorrs1: I blame Paul

Behold, the problem with modern "Christians"


I blame Yoko.
 
2013-11-28 10:19:04 PM

DirkValentine: Before i read any of the comments I wanted to say that this :


  I thought he was going a little overboard on the 'common man' touch and I thought there might have been a little bit of PR involved there.  But nevertheless, I was willing to cut him some slack . . . If he wants to eschew the physical trappings of the Vatican, O.K. Cool. Fine.

sickened me.   fark you Rush.  "willing to cut him some slack"?   For actually trying to live a LITTLE BIT like the Jesus actually taught?

Goddammit Rush, shut the fark up, YOU COCK.


I like how he thinks the 'common man' thing this pope has going on is just an act.
 
2013-11-28 10:22:12 PM

kidgenius: I like how he thinks the 'common man' thing this pope has going on is just an act.


Very telling how it irritates him too.
 
2013-11-28 10:25:31 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: So an incalculably rich monolith best known for legions of never-questioning acolytes bent on spreading the gospel under pain of death and for covering up wanton abuse of little boys...versus the Catholic Church?


I have you in green already for your Ken Burns - Teabaggers bit, but this just confirms my decision.
 
2013-11-28 10:59:20 PM

kidgenius: DirkValentine: Before i read any of the comments I wanted to say that this :


  I thought he was going a little overboard on the 'common man' touch and I thought there might have been a little bit of PR involved there.  But nevertheless, I was willing to cut him some slack . . . If he wants to eschew the physical trappings of the Vatican, O.K. Cool. Fine.

sickened me.   fark you Rush.  "willing to cut him some slack"?   For actually trying to live a LITTLE BIT like the Jesus actually taught?

Goddammit Rush, shut the fark up, YOU COCK.

I like how he thinks the 'common man' thing this pope has going on is just an act.


It really farking upsets me that he and others have been able to twist the narrative so much that "common man" is a de facto pejorative.

It's sad. Its really , really sad.
 
2013-11-28 11:03:51 PM

kidgenius: I like how he thinks the 'common man' thing this pope has going on is just an act.


Rush knows it is just pandering because Rush is an expert at pandering and projection.
 
2013-11-28 11:23:20 PM

HighOnCraic: I like the new Pope.  Just thought I'd mention that social justice has been a big part of Catholic teaching for a long time, and it helped influence progressive politics in America.

http://prospect.org/article/god-and-new-deal

http://cuomeka.wrlc.org/exhibits/show/industrial/documents/cri-doc4

http://www.usccb.org/upload/economic_justice_for_all.pdf


Monsignor John Augustine Ryan, although not remembered by many, was a huge figure in the New Deal and the incorporation of social justice in our political system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Ryan

He is a figure that doesn't get as much respect as I think he deserves.
 
2013-11-28 11:46:39 PM

fenianfark: HighOnCraic: I like the new Pope.  Just thought I'd mention that social justice has been a big part of Catholic teaching for a long time, and it helped influence progressive politics in America.

http://prospect.org/article/god-and-new-deal

http://cuomeka.wrlc.org/exhibits/show/industrial/documents/cri-doc4

http://www.usccb.org/upload/economic_justice_for_all.pdf

Monsignor John Augustine Ryan, although not remembered by many, was a huge figure in the New Deal and the incorporation of social justice in our political system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Ryan

He is a figure that doesn't get as much respect as I think he deserves.


I wrote an essay on his work back when I was in theology school; I think more Catholic politicians should refer to his work.  He was writing about social programs, including universal healthcare, almost a hundred years ago.
 
2013-11-29 12:01:45 AM

HairBolus: kidgenius: I like how he thinks the 'common man' thing this pope has going on is just an act.

Rush knows it is just pandering because Rush is an expert at pandering and projection.


The three P's--pandering, projection and pederasty.
 
2013-11-29 12:14:54 AM

thisispete: cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: No matter the subject; the pope is right and Rachel Maddow and Rush are wrong.

Evolution.

It's right there in the Catechism:

283 The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers. With Solomon they can say: "It is he who gave me unerring knowledge of what exists, to know the structure of the world and the activity of the elements. . . for wisdom, the fashioner of all things, taught me."


so what you are saying is that Catholics are rational and the rest of the christians are batshiat crazy?
yup, I will buy that ... within the bounds of religious delusion ...
 
2013-11-29 12:53:45 AM

Ab3: This came up on my Facebook feed and one of my super-right wing pals (one even my other right wing pals have put on ignore.) Insisted that Jesus said NOT to help the poor and backed it up by quoting Matthew 26:11--"You will always have the poor among you . . . "

Once I read that I needed to go look at smut on Tumblr to clear my head...


I never cared for that verse.. Jesus acted a little bit selfish for once, it doesn't mean you should remake the world to resemble it.
 
2013-11-29 05:18:53 AM

namatad: thisispete: cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: No matter the subject; the pope is right and Rachel Maddow and Rush are wrong.

Evolution.

It's right there in the Catechism:

283 The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers. With Solomon they can say: "It is he who gave me unerring knowledge of what exists, to know the structure of the world and the activity of the elements. . . for wisdom, the fashioner of all things, taught me."

so what you are saying is that Catholics are rational and the rest of the christians are batshiat crazy?
yup, I will buy that ... within the bounds of religious delusion ...


There is your co-worker who picks her nose when she thinks nobody is looking...and there's the guy down the road who duct-tapes his windows shut, buys every firearm known to man, and has lists of "who I kill first when I begin my shooting rampage." So yeah.
 
2013-11-29 08:04:23 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Rush Limbaugh is in a rage at the latest social justice preachings of Pope Francis, which the radio voice of the American right described on Wednesday as "pure Marxism."

Duh.  Jesus Christ was a communist.

Seriously, does any "conservative christian" read the fkn Bible?   ANY OF THEM? EVER?


Most of them can't read very well. By the time they get to The New Testament they are so tired, they just assume that this Jesus fellow basically confirms everything they've been reading anyways.
 
2013-11-29 10:07:26 AM

Confabulat: Dimwitted American radio host vs The Catholic Church?

Rush, you used to know how to pick your fights.


Actually, he knows he won't be losing any Catholic listeners over this.  Ultra-conservative Catholics have already rejected the new pope, just like they rejected John XXIII.
 
2013-11-29 10:27:14 AM

Anonymous Bosch: That fat fark is really arguing that he understands Christianity better than the Pope, isn't he?


Why would the Pope know anything about Christianity?  He's a Catholic.

media.chick.com
 
2013-11-29 10:38:57 AM

flondrix: Why would the Pope know anything about Christianity?  He's a Catholic.


Growing up in rural Georgia, I'd often get asked if I was a Christian or a Catholic. Never could make any of the other kids understand that those were not mutually exclusive conditions.

It's a lot simpler now, I just go with "No, sorry."
 
2013-11-29 10:46:11 AM

syzygy whizz: Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!

My google-fu came up with "Your Holiness".

Good thing I checked, cos I was about to go with "Your Eminence"...but I guess that's for the bishops.


Incidentally, "Your Eminence" is also how I'm addressed by Siri.

She really wanted to hear "Your Imminence" instead, but that was obviously unacceptable.
 
2013-11-29 10:56:05 AM
Republican God vs Catholic God
 
2013-11-29 11:39:43 AM

HairBolus: kidgenius: I like how he thinks the 'common man' thing this pope has going on is just an act.

Rush knows it is just pandering because Rush is an expert at pandering and projection.


I've just realized that pandering and projection are in some sense two aspects of the same thing.
 
2013-11-29 02:07:06 PM
So, how's this playing over in Freeperville? Glad you asked:

"I do not hide my antipathy for this Pope Francis. He is revolting to me and definitely of a lower caliber than the previous one. When God is angry with us, when he wants to punish us, he sends incompetent and lousey priests. This Pope is the 112th Pope of the Malachy Prophecies."

"Maybe we should redistribute the wealth from wealthy black Muslims back to poor Christian whites."

"that does it. I am done with this "pope""

"Nature will take care of the third world poor. One bad growing season will sort things out."

"free market capitalism is the economic system that is compatible with God-given human nature, God-given natural rights, and the Biblical concept of justice."
 
2013-11-29 02:16:50 PM

DirkValentine: kidgenius: DirkValentine: Before i read any of the comments I wanted to say that this :


  I thought he was going a little overboard on the 'common man' touch and I thought there might have been a little bit of PR involved there.  But nevertheless, I was willing to cut him some slack . . . If he wants to eschew the physical trappings of the Vatican, O.K. Cool. Fine.

sickened me.   fark you Rush.  "willing to cut him some slack"?   For actually trying to live a LITTLE BIT like the Jesus actually taught?

Goddammit Rush, shut the fark up, YOU COCK.

I like how he thinks the 'common man' thing this pope has going on is just an act.

It really farking upsets me that he and others have been able to twist the narrative so much that "common man" is a de facto pejorative.

It's sad. Its really , really sad.


And yet he pitches his appeal to the common man. Rush, that is. The difference between Pope Francis and Rush is the difference between sincerity and hypocrisy.
 
2013-11-29 10:20:52 PM
As a lifelong atheist I gotta say... I LIKE this pope.
It's like he actually read the bible, or something.
 
m00
2013-11-30 12:33:36 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Duh. Jesus Christ was a communist.


I wouldn't say he was a communist, but he was definitely a liberal. A bleeding chest liberal.
 
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