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2013-11-28 12:25:31 PM

Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!


Pope-n-Fresh (or Fab Fresh Frankie P)
 
2013-11-28 12:25:52 PM
Of all the things Pope Frank has done up until now, the fact that Limbaugh hates him has swayed me.  Googling for "Jesuit churches" in my area right now...
 
2013-11-28 12:28:18 PM
Some things in life are bad. They can really make you made. Other things make you spit and curse.
 
2013-11-28 12:30:15 PM
But Rush is outraged about Obama closing the Vatican Embassy, right?
 
2013-11-28 12:31:36 PM

Dansker: More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?

The Popemeister!


His Extreme Popeliness
 
2013-11-28 12:33:08 PM

Cuchulane: White Christian protestants were always taught to detest the evil papist Catholics. A lot of people don't realize what a shiatstorm it was for most WASP's when Kennedy ran for president.They were sure that the U.S. would be enslaved by the Vatican. I was born shortly before Kennedy was elected and grew up Catholic, so the phenomenon of bringing Catholics into the hard right religious movement always seemed very odd to me, and tenuous.


Yup
Just another anti-papist rank from people who have always HATED the pope.
YAWN

/1) I am an atheist and think all religion is delusion. 2) this pope sure has been different than the last one (in good ways) 3) being against religion is not the same as thinking that this new pope sure seems to be following christ, not christianity
 
2013-11-28 12:34:12 PM

gravy chugging cretin.: But Rush is outraged about Obama closing the Vatican Embassy, right?


Probably.  Even though he isn't

Of course, most of what get Rush and his teabagger minions' panties in a twist isn't real, so I'm sure he is outraged.
 
2013-11-28 12:34:44 PM
I'm sure Pope Francis is severely concerned about the response his social views engender in a man with three divorces, who smuggled Viagra in his luggage to a country known for child prostitution, who has only a flirting knowledge of the "thou should not bear false witness" commandment, and who regularly takes God's name in vain several times an hour by saying the Lord endorses his program by giving him his talent.

Severely concerned.
 
2013-11-28 12:36:20 PM

kpaxoid: See?  It's the same old thing every time.  The Republican outreach program to Hispanics was just gaining momentum and then someone blurts out how they really feel.


And moderate Catholics, who pretty much vote Democrat.
Certainly ex-catholics.

/no, I dont have any citations. But I have election maps and maps of religion by area.
 
2013-11-28 12:38:56 PM
Before i read any of the comments I wanted to say that this :


  I thought he was going a little overboard on the 'common man' touch and I thought there might have been a little bit of PR involved there.  But nevertheless, I was willing to cut him some slack . . . If he wants to eschew the physical trappings of the Vatican, O.K. Cool. Fine.

sickened me.   fark you Rush.  "willing to cut him some slack"?   For actually trying to live a LITTLE BIT like the Jesus actually taught?

Goddammit Rush, shut the fark up, YOU COCK.
 
2013-11-28 12:40:15 PM

namatad: Just another anti-papist rank from people who have always HATED the pope.


The KKK was an anti-Catholic group. Blacks weren't the only type of sub-humans that shouldn't live among true Americans and needed to be driven away.
 
2013-11-28 12:40:29 PM

Prey4reign: Rush will never convert to Catholicism until the Church starts using those oxycontin communion wafers.


Or when the Altar boys start wearing chaps.
 
2013-11-28 12:41:07 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: So an incalculably rich monolith best known for legions of never-questioning acolytes bent on spreading the gospel under pain of death and for covering up wanton abuse of little boys...versus the Catholic Church?


Ok, you win.~``
 
2013-11-28 12:41:11 PM
Nobody expects the spanish papal inquisition.
 
2013-11-28 12:42:25 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
Against my better judgement, I like this new Pope.
 
2013-11-28 12:45:59 PM

Cuchulane: White Christian protestants were always taught to detest the evil papist Catholics. A lot of people don't realize what a shiatstorm it was for most WASP's when Kennedy ran for president.They were sure that the U.S. would be enslaved by the Vatican. I was born shortly before Kennedy was elected and grew up Catholic, so the phenomenon of bringing Catholics into the hard right religious movement always seemed very odd to me, and tenuous.


Fart_Machine: Corporate Christians always get their dander up when confronted with the social messages of Biblical Christianity.


Aaaand we're done here.
 
2013-11-28 12:47:31 PM

namatad: Cuchulane: White Christian protestants were always taught to detest the evil papist Catholics. A lot of people don't realize what a shiatstorm it was for most WASP's when Kennedy ran for president.They were sure that the U.S. would be enslaved by the Vatican. I was born shortly before Kennedy was elected and grew up Catholic, so the phenomenon of bringing Catholics into the hard right religious movement always seemed very odd to me, and tenuous.

Yup
Just another anti-papist rank from people who have always HATED the pope.
YAWN

/1) I am an atheist and think all religion is delusion. 2) this pope sure has been different than the last one (in good ways) 3) being against religion is not the same as thinking that this new pope sure seems to be following christ, not christianity


I'm right there with you dude. I'm an atheist now, but I was raised in a pretty liberal, help-the-poor-and-less-fortunate Catholic Church. Just because I don't think Jesus was the son of god (or that he might not have even existed), doesn't mean I disagree with what Jesus says in the bible. I mean, dude was all about the social justice and taking care of "the least among thee". It's just too bad more atheist don't realize how positive and beneficial Jesus' philosophy was.

Mostly I blame Paul and Christians in general. And I think Ghandi said it best: "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians, they are not like Christ."
 
2013-11-28 12:47:37 PM

Lionel Mandrake: gravy chugging cretin.: But Rush is outraged about "Obama closing the Vatican Embassy", right?

Probably.  Even though he isn't

Of course, most of what get Rush and his teabagger minions' panties in a twist isn't real, so I'm sure he is outraged.


Forgot the quotes.  Sorry.  I blame the Bloody Marys
 
2013-11-28 12:52:28 PM
I remember, many years ago, Rush talked about how the story of Joseph and the coat of many colors advocated reducing taxes.  Basically, Joseph came to the Pharoh and told him about the seven years of plenty followed by seven years of need.

Long story short, Rush's interpretation was crap.  It had nothing to do with (and never even mentioned) reducing taxes.  It did, however, cite the wisdom of IMPOSING taxes (or raising them, if they were already in place).

Basically, we should raise taxes, is what I'm saying.
 
2013-11-28 12:52:57 PM
files.abovetopsecret.com
 
2013-11-28 12:53:32 PM

NFA: The Beck, Limbaugh, Savage and Hannity shows are funded by Clear Channel.  Clear Channel also owns 850 radio stations nationwide.  Clear Channel is owned by Bain Capital (Yes Romney's company).  So a very small group of very wealth men control the message sent to 115 million American's every week.

Those wealthy men do not want their agendas tampered with by a Pope who is actually preaching the real message of the bible.  This Pope has shown by example that he cares for the sick and the poor.  He's said that trickle down economics is a fraud (which it is) and that the rich aren't following God's message.

These wealthy men are going to go toe to toe with a major religion to promote their agenda of creating an American Oligarchy.


Prosperity gospel heretics getting schooled about what Jesus really said.

Can't say I'm surprised the rich feel threatened by a Pope that holds to what Jesus of Nazareth ministered.
 
2013-11-28 12:54:03 PM

Musikslayer: Prey4reign: Rush will never convert to Catholicism until the Church starts using those oxycontin communion wafers.

Or when the Altar boys start wearing chaps.


I'd like to request some modicum of fairness and civility when talking about Limbaugh's sexual problems. I mean yes, we all know he's a drug addicted hypocrite who brings erection medication when he travels as a single to third world nations known for sex tourism... but we don't know for certain that he was there to fark little boys.
 
2013-11-28 01:00:29 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Rush Limbaugh is in a rage at the latest social justice preachings of Pope Francis, which the radio voice of the American right described on Wednesday as "pure Marxism."

Duh.  Jesus Christ was a communist.

Seriously, does any "conservative christian" read the fkn Bible?   ANY OF THEM? EVER?


Biggest. Rhetorical. Question. Ever.

You know, if supposed Christians ever read the Bible that they claim to follow, they wouldn't be a prosperity gospel heretics.
 
2013-11-28 01:01:08 PM
"I believe in an America... where no public official either accepts or requests instruction on public policy from the Pope."- JFK's 'Religion Speech'

If you don't want the Pope having any say on birth control or gay marriage, don't go touting his statements on economics and tax policy as if I should care any more about those opinions. 

Also, this is nothing new. Popes have been spouting empty, hypocritical social-democratic platitudes for well over a century.
 
2013-11-28 01:03:17 PM
Jesus: "One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

Pope: "Yeah, what he said."

Capitalists: "FUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu"
 
2013-11-28 01:03:49 PM

glmorrs1: I mean, dude was all about the social justice and taking care of "the least among thee"


When he wasn't busy condemning divorce and remarriage as adultery, or cursing random fig trees.
 
2013-11-28 01:04:11 PM

Churchill2004: "I believe in an America... where no public official either accepts or requests instruction on public policy from the Pope."- JFK's 'Religion Speech'

If you don't want the Pope having any say on birth control or gay marriage, don't go touting his statements on economics and tax policy as if I should care any more about those opinions. 

Also, this is nothing new. Popes have been spouting empty, hypocritical social-democratic platitudes for well over a century.


I don't think they're platitudes in this case. He doesn't just talk the talk...
 
2013-11-28 01:05:05 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Are they fighting over which boys to boink?


This pope may actually go after the child-boinkers or, better yet, let secular authorities do so. The recent staff changes he's been making, both in the Papal "Court" and in the Vatican bank, have been to specifically remove men who were allies of those behind the child-boinker coverup. It's possible he's slowly getting ready to blow the lid off that entire terrible business.

I'm not a Catholic, but from a strategic pov that's something he needs to do. The child-molestation scandals lost them most of the US, French, and English congregations decades ago, but more recently it's cost them Ireland, the Catholic parts of Germany, and some of the Polish, Central American, and South American faithful as well. They really can't afford to not do anything about this in the hopes of winning back those European and American congregations.
 
2013-11-28 01:06:09 PM

Churchill2004: "I believe in an America... where no public official either accepts or requests instruction on public policy from the Pope."- JFK's 'Religion Speech'

If you don't want the Pope having any say on birth control or gay marriage, don't go touting his statements on economics and tax policy as if I should care any more about those opinions. 

Also, this is nothing new. Popes have been spouting empty, hypocritical social-democratic platitudes for well over a century.


I'mma pat you on the head.
 
2013-11-28 01:07:17 PM

Mike_1962: I don't think they're platitudes in this case. He doesn't just talk the talk...


He's the Pope. All he does is talk.

He's still the CEO of a multi-billion dollar international corporation, that has extensive real estate and artistic holdings.

A guy who  literally owns his own country telling others to give up their wealth is the very definition of hypocrisy.
 
2013-11-28 01:08:10 PM
New Pope has these bastards running scared. That can only mean he's right.
 
2013-11-28 01:09:21 PM
I really wish that people in this country had enough goddamn common sense to tell people like rush limbaugh to shut the fark up and go away.

Sadly, the country is full of ignorant, spiteful, hate filled assholes.  fark this place.
 
2013-11-28 01:15:31 PM
Does anyone here believe that Rush is any more real than Archie Bunker?
 
2013-11-28 01:15:56 PM
Psst, the dude Christ was actually a bit of a socialist.
 
2013-11-28 01:17:44 PM

Corvus: Psst, the dude Christ was actually a bit of a socialist.


He was more akin to the guy standing on a street corner wearing a "Repent! The End is Near!" sign. That's what Jesus actually preached- that the end of the world was coming soon.
 
2013-11-28 01:19:28 PM
While Rush's venom is always a spiteful and horrible thing, there IS a reason why genuine Catholicism and capitalism have historically been at odds- because it was Protestants who invented capitalism in the first place! Pope Francis is just going back to the positive side of what Catholicism used to be. A landmark book proves this hypothesis, and it is a standard sociology text at many universities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_ Ca pitalism

However, when Rush says "There's no such (thing as) 'unfettered capitalism.' That doesn't exist anywhere." he forgot one last word in his sentence- Yet.

///Some right-wingers would love there to be unfettered capitalism, and are working towards it with all their might, and the ONLY reason we don't have it yet is because we the people are just so ornery and refuse to stop fighting back!
 
2013-11-28 01:21:51 PM

Great_Milenko: I really wish that people in this country had enough goddamn common sense to tell people like rush limbaugh to shut the fark up and go away.

Sadly, the country is full of ignorant, spiteful, hate filled assholes.  fark this place.


QFT
 
2013-11-28 01:22:47 PM

Do you know the way to Mordor: Catholicism and capitalism have historically been at odds- because it was Protestants who invented capitalism in the first place!


and the world is a much better place for it. 

I'll take capitalism over Catholicism any day, no apologies.
 
2013-11-28 01:24:16 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: I_Am_Weasel: /I know it's not 'your royal popeness'

El Poparino?


If you're not into the whole brevity thing...
 
2013-11-28 01:25:23 PM

coyo: Does anyone here believe that Rush is any more real than Archie Bunker?


Just doing an act? Impossible to tell really. But damn that would be exhausting to play that character for however number of days a week he's on for however many years he's been doing it if he wasn't sincere.
 
2013-11-28 01:29:56 PM

glmorrs1: I'm right there with you dude. I'm an atheist now, but I was raised in a pretty liberal, help-the-poor-and-less-fortunate Catholic Church. Just because I don't think Jesus was the son of god (or that he might not have even existed), doesn't mean I disagree with what Jesus says in the bible. I mean, dude was all about the social justice and taking care of "the least among thee". It's just too bad more atheist don't realize how positive and beneficial Jesus' philosophy was.


THIS
 
2013-11-28 01:31:10 PM

Churchill2004: glmorrs1: I mean, dude was all about the social justice and taking care of "the least among thee"

When he wasn't busy condemning divorce and remarriage as adultery, or cursing random fig trees.


You know, I was going to say I never said he was perfect or that I agree with 100% of what he said, but then I read the rest of the thread and now I'm just wondering who pissed in your cherrios turkey and dressing.

/modified for the holiday
 
2013-11-28 01:36:50 PM
The most amazing thing about all this is the Pope is managing to get these modern-day Pharisees to preach against the very Bible they profess to believe in.

Pope Francis hasn't changed a single policy of the Church. The position of the Church on abortion and same-sex marriage hasn't changed. The position of the Church on charity and peace and giving hasn't changed. The scripture he cites is from the same Bible that the prosperity gospel preachers sermonize from (but mostly ignore).

The only thing the Pope has done is state that to an outsider looking in for the past few years, it would seem like the only issues the Church cared about were abortion, gays, and contraception. The Council of Bishops didn't spend nearly the time or effort decrying homelessness, or cuts in food stamps, as they did opposing gay rights. The bishop in Illinois that performed an "exorcism" after same-sex marriage passed in Illinois was silent as many of his own parishioners likely were getting squeezed by multinational entities, reduced food assistance, and cuts to local programs.

All the Pope has said is that all those issues that Jesus preached about matter, and in fact he preached aboit those things an order of magnitude more than he spoke about gays (not at all) and the like.

And for that, he has the Republican Party and its mouthpieces actively preaching AGAINST the Bible. Stunning.
 
2013-11-28 01:39:58 PM
" I thought he was going a little overboard on the 'common man' touch and I thought there might have been a little bit of PR involved there. "

Pretending to care about the common man is OK for PR purposes. Actually caring about them is socialism.

The GOP: Not your common man's party!
 
2013-11-28 01:40:08 PM
I'll take Franky the Pope in the 4th round with the Holy Hand Grenade.
 
2013-11-28 01:41:30 PM
Churchill2004:He's the Pope. All he does is talk.
He's still the CEO of a multi-billion dollar international corporation, that has extensive real estate and artistic holdings.
A guy who  literally owns his own country telling others to give up their wealth is the very definition of hypocrisy.


He's the Pope. That much is true. Everything else you've made up missed the mark. The Pope no more owns the Vatican than the President owns the White House. In fact, the Pope (literally) owns nothing and is paid nothing.
 
2013-11-28 01:42:16 PM
"Now, up until this - I'm not Catholic. Up until this, I have to tell you, I was admiring the man.  I thought he was going a little overboard on the 'common man' touch...."

Yeah, isn't the Christian world a little too old for that 'blessed are the meek' nonsense?

"But regardless, what this is - Somebody has either written this for him or gotten to him.  This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the Pope."

Somebody has gotten to him! They've influenced Francis! It's almost as if since becoming the Pope there's some new insidious line of communication telling him these scandalous beliefs.

What horrible Marxist is speaking directly to Pope Francis?! Rush Limbaugh's never heard this before and he's afraid!
 
2013-11-28 01:43:14 PM
Why does anyone think that the pope has any impact on American culture or politics?  It's another way for Rush to beat his chest and rile his audience.

Supreme court is comprised of six Catholics and three Jews. (I bet that kills the evangelicals)

four decidedly conservative Catholics
one liberal
one moderate (Kennedy)

Boehner - Catholic
Pelosi  - Catholic
Paul Ryan - Catholic
Biden - Catholic.

There is no Catholic political common ground.   And the Pope makes no difference.
 
2013-11-28 01:46:20 PM
Still trying to figure out this one whose torrid affair with Rush Limbaugh landed her on 2 Broke Girls. Could it be Rush is a Theological Svengali, ministering to the bisexuals among us, and Francis is in line as a conquest?

www.24spoilers.com
 
2013-11-28 01:47:46 PM
Yes, Lardbaugh, tell Catholics what to believe.

Please, proceed.
 
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