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(Guardian)   "Notably, the Hobby Lobby used to have an employee insurance plan that covered the very same birth control methods it now claims violate its religious freedom" Popcorn, anyone?   (theguardian.com) divider line 168
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2013-11-28 11:50:16 AM  
If you were to marry (or be farked or fark) a company, would it have to be 18?
Or would the laws of it's home state apply?

Could you go to jail if you get farked by a young company?
What if someone videos you getting farked by a company?
 
2013-11-28 11:51:29 AM  

sdd2000: grumpfuff: capn' fun: Genuine question, no snark: what is the religious basis for a prohibition against birth control?  I've read the Bible cover to cover, twice, and don't recall any mention of birth control.

There isn't one.

Christian zealots are passionate defenders of what they imagine the Bible to be.

And they ignore all of the references in the bible that allow for slavery.


See, that's where you're wrong. The references allowing for slavery are in the Old Testament, which doesn't count anymore.*


*except when they want it to
 
2013-11-28 11:54:22 AM  

grumpfuff: sdd2000: grumpfuff: capn' fun: Genuine question, no snark: what is the religious basis for a prohibition against birth control?  I've read the Bible cover to cover, twice, and don't recall any mention of birth control.

There isn't one.

Christian zealots are passionate defenders of what they imagine the Bible to be.

And they ignore all of the references in the bible that allow for slavery.

See, that's where you're wrong. The references allowing for slavery are in the Old Testament, which doesn't count anymore.*


*except when they want it to


You sure:

Ephesians 6:5 NLT) Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
Christian slaves whose master is also Christian are told:
(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.
There are instructions for Christian slave owners to treat their slaves well.
Eph 6:9 ) And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favouritism with him. (See also Ephesians 6:7-8)
(Coll 4:1 ) Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.
 
2013-11-28 11:56:01 AM  

raerae1980: I have NO faith that our Supreme Court will reach the right decision on this, especially given the current make-up of it.  I'm expecting to see my right to have medically prescribed birth control taken from me, all because of religion.   This is NOT the country my granddad went to war for.


It's basically a coin toss. Either they do waht makes sense or they make up some bullshiat justification to screw people over.
 
2013-11-28 11:58:13 AM  

maxheck: Aquapope:

A little disingenuous? Maybe a calculated bit of theater at the expense of Hobby Lobby's employees?

That doesn't even slow them down... The one that amazed me was the owner of Papa John's Pizza biatching about how providing healthcare for their workers might cost an extra two cents a pie while running an ad where he was giving away a million dollars worth of pizza in a Superbowl promotion.


That particular situation was taken way out of context.  He was giving a lecture about business and some reporter baited him with that question to get the answer that they wanted and everyone ran with it and made him look like a jackball.  He's actually a pretty good guy and provides healthcare for his employees.
 
2013-11-28 11:58:26 AM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: kidgenius: Karac: starsrift: "The company heads bringing these claims want to have it both ways. By incorporating, owners and shareholders create separate entities and are not personally liable for their employees' salaries or health insurance costs - the entire point of incorporating is to create a legal entity separate from the individuals who created it. Yet these owners and shareholders want the court to consider their personal religious beliefs indistinguishable from those of the corporation, and allow those beliefs to dictate the kind of healthcare coverage their employees receive."

This is probably the most coherent argument. But if they went on it, they'd have to make a separate case for non-incorporated businesses...

How many businesses with 50 or more employees, and therefore obligated under Obamacare to provide any insurance, whether it covers birth control or not, are unincorporated?

If someone is smart enough to get a business to be successful and grow to have +50 employees, I would have a hard time imagining that they aren't incorporated. I would put the number maybe at like 5 in the entire country.


The Koch's are too smart to not be incorporated. Incorporation is forming a corporation. Its an entity by which you separate the liabilities of the company from your own. Private/public corporations are both still incorporated.
 
2013-11-28 12:00:19 PM  
The closest thing I've gotten to a cogent answer from my right-wing, religious friends is that birth control was a key part of the cultural shift in the 1960's that "destroyed" America (as they choose to remember it), and that it enables or contributes to most of the behaviors they attribute to the secular "war" on their faith (i.e., anything fun).
 
2013-11-28 12:02:09 PM  

Warlordtrooper: pueblonative: Warlordtrooper: Doctor Funkenstein: MFK: Warlordtrooper: Could this be pointed out in court as a counter to their arguments or not?

it farking should be!

I know it probably doesn't work this way, but I think they should have to first prove in court that they actually are Christian and abide by the actual tenets of the religion.  Want to whine that your religious rights are being infringed?  OK, first prove to us that you walk the walk.  I'm guessing not a lot of these perpetually offended jackasses would qualify.

The only problem with that is that the government would be deciding which sets of beliefs count as a religion and which do not. A violation of the first amendment

If the snowflakes are asking for a special exemption from the law that the rest of the nation has to follow:

[lh3.ggpht.com image 379x214]

Thing is you sort of don't want the government to be able to define what is or isn't a religion.  First of all is because religion is just a made up set of beliefs and second of all the next logical step is for a fundamentalist in the government to declare all religions besides their own brand of Christianity as not real religions.


All right we'll go to Plan B (actually my Plan A): no religious exemption from the law. If you can exempt one person from the law because of a belief it shouldn't be a law. If you believe something should be a law it should be the law for everybody.
 
2013-11-28 12:05:30 PM  

capn' fun: Genuine question, no snark: what is the religious basis for a prohibition against birth control?  I've read the Bible cover to cover, twice, and don't recall any mention of birth control.


Numbers 5:11-31

http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/numbers/5.html

Oh wait...
 
2013-11-28 12:06:15 PM  

Pasnute: If you were to marry (or be farked or fark) a company, would it have to be 18?
Or would the laws of it's home state apply?

Could you go to jail if you get farked by a young company?
What if someone videos you getting farked by a company?


What if it's just the tip?
 
2013-11-28 12:11:06 PM  

sdd2000: grumpfuff: sdd2000: grumpfuff: capn' fun: Genuine question, no snark: what is the religious basis for a prohibition against birth control?  I've read the Bible cover to cover, twice, and don't recall any mention of birth control.

There isn't one.

Christian zealots are passionate defenders of what they imagine the Bible to be.

And they ignore all of the references in the bible that allow for slavery.

See, that's where you're wrong. The references allowing for slavery are in the Old Testament, which doesn't count anymore.*


*except when they want it to

You sure:

Ephesians 6:5 NLT) Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
Christian slaves whose master is also Christian are told:
(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.
There are instructions for Christian slave owners to treat their slaves well.
Eph 6:9 ) And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favouritism with him. (See also Ephesians 6:7-8)
(Coll 4:1 ) Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.


It was a joke. I'm fully aware the NT has references to slavery too.
 
2013-11-28 12:20:00 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Zombalupagus: By refusing to cover contraception, the Hobby Lobby owners are in fact using their own religious beliefs to deny benefits to their employees who may not share those beliefs at all. That's not religious freedom; it's religious tyranny.

Bears repeating dot jpeg.

also known as corporate fascism. but but secret Muslim Kenyan socialism or some shiat.


"Help! We're being oppressed!" said the corporations.
 
2013-11-28 12:20:18 PM  

capn' fun: The closest thing I've gotten to a cogent answer from my right-wing, religious friends is that birth control was a key part of the cultural shift in the 1960's that "destroyed" America (as they choose to remember it), and that it enables or contributes to most of the behaviors they attribute to the secular "war" on their faith (i.e., anything fun).


So their misogynists and you should call then out on it. What they hate is that women began to be liberated, stopped "needing a man to take care of them", and that is what caused the destruction of society.... In their eyes.That's the "cultural shift" that happened in the sixties. Oh and civil rights too. So they're racists and misogynists.
 
2013-11-28 12:24:04 PM  

hinten: Great opportunity to finally divorce health insurance from employment.


I'm thinking this is the only silver lining that might come out of this. It's high time we just toss employer-funded health insurance in the bin and let them bump up wages to compen -- hahahahaha, well, I almost made it the end of that statement without cracking up.
 
2013-11-28 12:27:39 PM  

Aquapope: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: kidgenius: Karac: starsrift: "The company heads bringing these claims want to have it both ways. By incorporating, owners and shareholders create separate entities and are not personally liable for their employees' salaries or health insurance costs - the entire point of incorporating is to create a legal entity separate from the individuals who created it. Yet these owners and shareholders want the court to consider their personal religious beliefs indistinguishable from those of the corporation, and allow those beliefs to dictate the kind of healthcare coverage their employees receive."

This is probably the most coherent argument. But if they went on it, they'd have to make a separate case for non-incorporated businesses...

How many businesses with 50 or more employees, and therefore obligated under Obamacare to provide any insurance, whether it covers birth control or not, are unincorporated?

If someone is smart enough to get a business to be successful and grow to have +50 employees, I would have a hard time imagining that they aren't incorporated. I would put the number maybe at like 5 in the entire country.

[blogs-images.forbes.com image 398x293]

That image is a list of Private companies.  They're incorporated, but not public.


www.sondrakistan.com
Forget it, he's rolling.  Or just shoring up street cred for his chosen username.
 
2013-11-28 12:30:55 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: kidgenius: Karac: starsrift: "The company heads bringing these claims want to have it both ways. By incorporating, owners and shareholders create separate entities and are not personally liable for their employees' salaries or health insurance costs - the entire point of incorporating is to create a legal entity separate from the individuals who created it. Yet these owners and shareholders want the court to consider their personal religious beliefs indistinguishable from those of the corporation, and allow those beliefs to dictate the kind of healthcare coverage their employees receive."

This is probably the most coherent argument. But if they went on it, they'd have to make a separate case for non-incorporated businesses...

How many businesses with 50 or more employees, and therefore obligated under Obamacare to provide any insurance, whether it covers birth control or not, are unincorporated?

If someone is smart enough to get a business to be successful and grow to have +50 employees, I would have a hard time imagining that they aren't incorporated. I would put the number maybe at like 5 in the entire country.

[blogs-images.forbes.com image 398x293]


You realize the incorporated and publicly traded aren't the same thing, right?  A company can be a privately held corporation. None of the companies on your list are sole proprietorships
 
2013-11-28 12:52:09 PM  

Moriel: I look forward to the day when a Jehovah's Witness owned company says that their health insurance will no longer cover blood transfusions. There would not be enough popcorn in the world to keep us covered while watching that play out.


Even better will be when a Muslim-owned company denies coverage for insulin because it comes from pigs.  The outrage of "ragheads gettin' in the way of mah diabeetus!" would be epic.
 
2013-11-28 12:59:34 PM  
Okay, I'm wondering this....

I'm a reform Jew, so that doesn't give me much opportunity to limit what employees do---we're pretty much okay with you getting an abortion on the way to gay wedding where bacon cheeseburgers will be served.

But if I have a company, does the company have to be Jewish? Why can't my company be Catholic? Then I don't have to provide insurance that includes birth control and abortion services that my faith would have no objection to providing employees, but that offends the hell out of my good Catholic company. Why can't my company be a Scientologist?
 
2013-11-28 01:13:00 PM  

Chameleon: Even better will be when a Muslim-owned company denies coverage for insulin because it comes from pigs.  The outrage of "ragheads gettin' in the way of mah diabeetus!" would be epic.


Insulin comes from Genetically Modified E. Coli and Yeast these days.

/just sayin'
 
2013-11-28 01:29:08 PM  

pueblonative: Warlordtrooper: Doctor Funkenstein: MFK: Warlordtrooper: Could this be pointed out in court as a counter to their arguments or not?

it farking should be!

I know it probably doesn't work this way, but I think they should have to first prove in court that they actually are Christian and abide by the actual tenets of the religion.  Want to whine that your religious rights are being infringed?  OK, first prove to us that you walk the walk.  I'm guessing not a lot of these perpetually offended jackasses would qualify.

The only problem with that is that the government would be deciding which sets of beliefs count as a religion and which do not. A violation of the first amendment

If the snowflakes are asking for a special exemption from the law that the rest of the nation has to follow:

[lh3.ggpht.com image 379x214]


I'm not.  Nip it in the bud. No exemptions, period.  If you don't want to give your workers insurance that could cover birth control, don't start a business. Period.
 
2013-11-28 01:30:57 PM  

capn' fun: Genuine question, no snark: what is the religious basis for a prohibition against birth control?  I've read the Bible cover to cover, twice, and don't recall any mention of birth control.


For Catholics, it's not based on a biblical prohibition but rather on Papal Encyclicals, notably the Humanae Vitae encyclical by Paul VI.
 
2013-11-28 01:32:58 PM  

GWSuperfan: Chameleon: Even better will be when a Muslim-owned company denies coverage for insulin because it comes from pigs.  The outrage of "ragheads gettin' in the way of mah diabeetus!" would be epic.

Insulin comes from Genetically Modified E. Coli and Yeast these days.

/just sayin'


I think you are correct for almost all insulin, but change it to a tissue heart valve  (most of those are either porcine or bovine)  replacement for either a Mulim or a Hindu
 
2013-11-28 01:34:42 PM  

IlGreven: pueblonative: Warlordtrooper: Doctor Funkenstein: MFK: Warlordtrooper: Could this be pointed out in court as a counter to their arguments or not?

it farking should be!

I know it probably doesn't work this way, but I think they should have to first prove in court that they actually are Christian and abide by the actual tenets of the religion.  Want to whine that your religious rights are being infringed?  OK, first prove to us that you walk the walk.  I'm guessing not a lot of these perpetually offended jackasses would qualify.

The only problem with that is that the government would be deciding which sets of beliefs count as a religion and which do not. A violation of the first amendment

If the snowflakes are asking for a special exemption from the law that the rest of the nation has to follow:

[lh3.ggpht.com image 379x214]

I'm not.  Nip it in the bud. No exemptions, period.  If you don't want to give your workers insurance that could cover birth control, don't start a business. Period.


Clearly you didn't get to my Plan A/B post.

http://www.fark.com/comments/8037151/87873347#c87873347


Consider this Plan Z
 
2013-11-28 01:48:02 PM  

Moriel: I look forward to the day when a Jehovah's Witness owned company says that their health insurance will no longer cover blood transfusions. There would not be enough popcorn in the world to keep us covered while watching that play out.


That would never happen because a) men get blood transfusions and b) this is all about conservatives' discomfort with sex, women and women having sex.
 
2013-11-28 02:01:45 PM  

pueblonative: Warlordtrooper: pueblonative: Warlordtrooper: Doctor Funkenstein: MFK: Warlordtrooper: Could this be pointed out in court as a counter to their arguments or not?

it farking should be!

I know it probably doesn't work this way, but I think they should have to first prove in court that they actually are Christian and abide by the actual tenets of the religion.  Want to whine that your religious rights are being infringed?  OK, first prove to us that you walk the walk.  I'm guessing not a lot of these perpetually offended jackasses would qualify.

The only problem with that is that the government would be deciding which sets of beliefs count as a religion and which do not. A violation of the first amendment

If the snowflakes are asking for a special exemption from the law that the rest of the nation has to follow:

[lh3.ggpht.com image 379x214]

Thing is you sort of don't want the government to be able to define what is or isn't a religion.  First of all is because religion is just a made up set of beliefs and second of all the next logical step is for a fundamentalist in the government to declare all religions besides their own brand of Christianity as not real religions.

All right we'll go to Plan B (actually my Plan A): no religious exemption from the law. If you can exempt one person from the law because of a belief it shouldn't be a law. If you believe something should be a law it should be the law for everybody.


5: Agree Strongly
 
2013-11-28 02:02:31 PM  

Relatively Obscure: If a corporation can have a religion, can a corporation start a religion (besides Apple)?



How about witchcraft or starting a religion to worship evil. And sell costumes and spells?  And cursing competitors and their consumers?
 
2013-11-28 02:03:27 PM  

Graffito: Moriel: I look forward to the day when a Jehovah's Witness owned company says that their health insurance will no longer cover blood transfusions. There would not be enough popcorn in the world to keep us covered while watching that play out.

That would never happen because a) men get blood transfusions and b) this is all about conservatives' discomfort with sex, women and women having sex.


Still it would be lulzy for a pagan priestess to run a company and say that providing health care that covers boner pills because they go against Diana's will.
 
2013-11-28 02:11:31 PM  
How is this different than Hobby Lobby's   "We don't sell Jewish stuff to Jews." or Woolworth's we don't serve Blacks in the 1960's?
 
2013-11-28 02:23:50 PM  

wozzeck: Okay, I'm wondering this....

I'm a reform Jew, so that doesn't give me much opportunity to limit what employees do---we're pretty much okay with you getting an abortion on the way to gay wedding where bacon cheeseburgers will be served.

But if I have a company, does the company have to be Jewish? Why can't my company be Catholic? Then I don't have to provide insurance that includes birth control and abortion services that my faith would have no objection to providing employees, but that offends the hell out of my good Catholic company. Why can't my company be a Scientologist?


Why not a Christen Scientist - if your company doesn't believe in blood transfusions, that would presumably take off the board a lot of possibly expensive operations and cut your health insurance costs right down.
 
2013-11-28 02:30:32 PM  

GWSuperfan: Chameleon: Even better will be when a Muslim-owned company denies coverage for insulin because it comes from pigs.  The outrage of "ragheads gettin' in the way of mah diabeetus!" would be epic.

Insulin comes from Genetically Modified E. Coli and Yeast these days.

/just sayin'


Good point.  I'm going to make my company Jainist.  We don't believe in harming anything, even bacteria.  So we refuse to cover antibiotics, too.
 
2013-11-28 02:36:06 PM  

Graffito: and b) this is all about conservatives' discomfort with sex, women and women having sex.


Women having sex for FUN, you mean, instead of making babies they can't abort without offending G-d.

I only hope that their image of the afterlife is somewhat correct, and St. Peter pulls them aside at the Pearly Gates and says, "Listen...before we...um, decide what you're going to do for eternity, our records show that you need to attend a lecture entitled "What Sin REALLY Is, Jackhole."
 
2013-11-28 02:36:56 PM  

Chameleon: So we refuse to cover antibiotics, too.


That's actually not going to be much of a problem for much longer...
 
2013-11-28 03:55:14 PM  

pueblonative: Graffito: Moriel: I look forward to the day when a Jehovah's Witness owned company says that their health insurance will no longer cover blood transfusions. There would not be enough popcorn in the world to keep us covered while watching that play out.

That would never happen because a) men get blood transfusions and b) this is all about conservatives' discomfort with sex, women and women having sex.

Still it would be lulzy for a pagan priestess to run a company and say that providing health care that covers boner pills because they go against Diana's will.


I would love to do that except that I have no desire to fark over my employees.
 
2013-11-28 03:57:09 PM  
I believe the ghosts of magical space mice cause disease. Therefore, the only treatment I will cover a fumigation seance by an exorcist with a trained ghost cat.
 
2013-11-28 04:20:05 PM  
So kinda like how Georgetown excluded contraceptive coverage from its student healthcare plan because of deeply and sincerely held religious beliefs that don't quite extend to excluding contraception from its faculty healthcare plan.
 
2013-11-28 04:31:44 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Antifun: Relatively Obscure: Can I marry Walmart, divorce Walmart, and make Walmart pay me alimony?


maybe, but you'll have to consummate the marriage before teh divorce

Plenty of folks are f*cked by Walmart.


All the more reason to divorce and nail them with alimony for infidelity.
 
2013-11-28 04:41:41 PM  

MFK: Warlordtrooper: Could this be pointed out in court as a counter to their arguments or not?

it farking should be!


My right to do x today should never be dependent on ehether I exercised it yesterday.

Hobby lobby can suck my dick.
 
2013-11-28 04:54:07 PM  
I honestly do not understand how birth control is in any way affected by religion.

I grew up in a Catholic family. I went to Catholic school. No one.. not one damn soul.. ever said birth control was a sin or morally wrong.
 
2013-11-28 05:02:13 PM  
nucrash:

maxheck: Aquapope:

A little disingenuous? Maybe a calculated bit of theater at the expense of Hobby Lobby's employees?

That doesn't even slow them down... The one that amazed me was the owner of Papa John's Pizza biatching about how providing healthcare for their workers might cost an extra two cents a pie while running an ad where he was giving away a million dollars worth of pizza in a Superbowl promotion.

That particular situation was taken way out of context. He was giving a lecture about business and some reporter baited him with that question to get the answer that they wanted and everyone ran with it and made him look like a jackball. He's actually a pretty good guy and provides healthcare for his employees.


It was not a one time "gotcha question." He repeated himself over and over until he figured out it would be bad for business and suddenly had an epiphany.
 
2013-11-28 05:02:41 PM  

threedingers: capn' fun: Genuine question, no snark: what is the religious basis for a prohibition against birth control?  I've read the Bible cover to cover, twice, and don't recall any mention of birth control.

For Catholics, it's not based on a biblical prohibition but rather on Papal Encyclicals, notably the Humanae Vitae encyclical by Paul VI.


So, what's the excuse for Hobby Lobby? They're not Catholic, they're Evangelical Protestants.
 
2013-11-28 05:50:05 PM  

havocmike: I grew up in a Catholic family. I went to Catholic school. No one.. not one damn soul.. ever said birth control was a sin or morally wrong.


In my Catholic school they said it was, and that God wouldn't give anyone more than they could handle and to have faith... with the usual... because Jesus tacked on when people asked why.  That was the pat answer for everything illogical, though.  Because Jesus.

And that's the reason here.

They believe sex is part of marriage, which is a covenant with Jesus to accept all the children he bestows upon them due to the procreative sex. It's in the vows, even.  But most people, understanding science and logic realize that this is a ridiculous way to live in modern times as we can actually plan if/when/how many kids we will have and not attribute 20 kids in a 1-bedroom apartment having Fight Cub matches for the turkey leg on this fine holiday to God.
 
2013-11-28 06:59:19 PM  

GWSuperfan: ... I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.


Done in one; what are these dozens of other replies? Hmph.

My personal beef with them: an abandoned cart a mile away from their store. I've called them twice in two weeks about it. How Christian of them to leave the landscape sullied.
 
2013-11-28 07:35:25 PM  
My name is Robbie Stobby, and I'm here to lobby for hobbies.

o.onionstatic.com
 
2013-11-28 08:21:43 PM  

CorporatePerson: Persecution envy.

Christian evangelicals legitimately make life harder for the people they don't like. They don't like being confronted with this fact because it makes them look bad, so they have to constantly find ways to portray themselves as victims of the kind of persecution they engage in every day.


Can religion survive without a enemy and the lure of martyrdom?  American Christians have no religious enemy, thus Christians are bored out of their minds and must manufacture an enemy to "battle."  Designated Christian enemies change with each generation, recently being communist Russia, then Elvis' hips and now the uppity trifecta of gays, black presidents and women.
 
2013-11-28 08:32:19 PM  

kidgenius: All insurance companies have to provide maternity coverage.


In 2011, Oklahoma Republican governor "Faith, Family and Freedom" Mary Fallin signed an emergency order with cosignature of the state insurance commission, declaring "birth is not a qualifying event for health coverage."  With a totally straight face, the insurance commish claimed this was to get *more* babies covered.  In fact, this deletion from existing insurance forces parents to buy a separate "child-only" policy loooong before pregnancy ever occurs, if they can afford it; a type of policy that had failed to flourish in Oklahoma over the prior 18 months as per the commish's actual words.

By declaring birth as a nonqualifying event for health insurance, all injuries, procedures and treatments occurring to mother and child, including NICU stays, can be denied reimbursement.
 
2013-11-28 08:33:41 PM  
If I work for a Christian Scientist, does that mean my kids vaccinations won't be covered?
 
2013-11-28 08:45:03 PM  

fustanella: GWSuperfan: ... I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

Done in one; what are these dozens of other replies? Hmph.

My personal beef with them: an abandoned cart a mile away from their store. I've called them twice in two weeks about it. How Christian of them to leave the landscape sullied.


Judging by the lack of gray responses, it seems like we're all having a discussion basically agreeing with how stupid this is.
 
2013-11-28 08:49:26 PM  

DeaH: If I work for a Christian Scientist, does that mean my kids vaccinations won't be covered?


Yes.  Because vaccinations are just a massive ObamaDeathcare conspiracy to gay-Hitler your babies.
 
2013-11-28 09:12:51 PM  

Triple Oak: Judging by the lack of gray responses, it seems like we're all having a discussion basically agreeing with how stupid this is.


We found something so stupid that even the whackjob trolls won't defend it? or are we just assuming that the Koch brothers gave them the day off for Thanksgiving?
 
2013-11-28 09:39:48 PM  

Stile4aly: threedingers: capn' fun: Genuine question, no snark: what is the religious basis for a prohibition against birth control?  I've read the Bible cover to cover, twice, and don't recall any mention of birth control.

For Catholics, it's not based on a biblical prohibition but rather on Papal Encyclicals, notably the Humanae Vitae encyclical by Paul VI.

So, what's the excuse for Hobby Lobby? They're not Catholic, they're Evangelical Protestants.


Obama bad.

That or Christians defending what they imagine the Bible to be.

/idiots either way
 
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