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(LA Times)   Retailers are trying to make things easier for employees forced to work on Thanksgiving because of rampant consumerism by promising things like a fun work environment and letting them break dress code by wearing jeans and sneakers   (latimes.com) divider line 62
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2013-11-28 12:02:10 AM
i was always happy getting double-time and a catered dinner, and management not minding my bringing a bottle of bourbon to pass around. but i didn't work retail.
 
2013-11-28 12:09:56 AM
Seriously, i've worked more Thanksgivings than I haven't. Usually we'd make it a good time. I've never seen such whining like I have this year.

Big deal, you work on Thanksgiving. Oh cry me a river.
 
2013-11-28 12:15:29 AM
Ummm ... if you work retail, don't you WANT to work? Get in on that spending?

And be thankful you're working.

Now where is my onion?!
 
2013-11-28 12:27:34 AM
I argued with my wife about "businesses making their employees work on holidays" recently.

I feel that for the most part, those who work are ok with it.  I am working Thanksgiving this year.  I had the last three off.  I'm ok with it.
 
2013-11-28 12:31:06 AM
*shakes head*   This sucks.  I feel bad for them.  I work in retail and thank the fsm that we are not open.  But we will be on Black Friday.
 
2013-11-28 12:31:21 AM
I won't be shopping on Thanksgiving, but some people want the money working on the holiday brings.

As a nurse I've worked Thanksgiving and Christmas for colleagues who have small children and want the day off. The extra pay was always nice.
 
2013-11-28 12:40:10 AM
Seriously, every place I've worked that's open Thanksgiving, you know about it, and the people with families and plans know to ask far ahead and everyone usually tries to work it out, because there's always people like me that give a rat's ass about Thanksgiving and don't mind working at all, and it usually works out fine. Sometimes someone is stuck working, and that is a crime against humanity, I guess.

whiney children.
 
2013-11-28 12:53:02 AM
I think I'm more mad at the fact that all we do anymore is consume, consume, consume.   It's like we're all zombies.  Maybe I'm biased as I work in retail and have worked it for the past decade, but I always look forward to the two days my store is closed, Thanksgiving and Christmas.   I mean, why can't YOU stay home so I can stay home???  That's how I look at it, anyway.
 
2013-11-28 01:00:48 AM

raerae1980: I think I'm more mad at the fact that all we do anymore is consume, consume, consume.   It's like we're all zombies.  Maybe I'm biased as I work in retail and have worked it for the past decade, but I always look forward to the two days my store is closed, Thanksgiving and Christmas.   I mean, why can't YOU stay home so I can stay home???  That's how I look at it, anyway.


Because Amazon.com, that's why.
 
2013-11-28 01:12:59 AM
I have to work on holidays BECAUSE of the people who stay home instead of "consuming".

They stay home, get drunk, fight with the family/friends/neighbors/etc..cops get called, and so on.
 
2013-11-28 04:24:25 AM
As a teen working at a store I remember being so incredibly pissed about having to work on Labor day, Then I joined the Army, and next thing I know, I am working through Christmas and new years.

People work through Holidays. Its called "Being an adult".
 
2013-11-28 06:18:21 AM
Even on Thanksgiving the booths must be mopped -- do you really think your Dad and your maternal Uncle were gone so long JUST for a can of cranberry sauce?
 
2013-11-28 08:27:58 AM
In my family Christmas gifts are small and thoughtful. How many TVs blu ray players etc do you need?
 
2013-11-28 08:47:34 AM
There are very few holidays that see extended families gather anymore. There is no reason to destroy one of the only ones remaining on the alter of corporate greed.

If you work in emergency services, that's one thing. Banana Republic???

Fark them.
 
2013-11-28 09:43:30 AM

Confabulat: Seriously, i've worked more Thanksgivings than I haven't. Usually we'd make it a good time. I've never seen such whining like I have this year.

Big deal, you work on Thanksgiving. Oh cry me a river.


So have I. And since my anecdote is entirely equal in validity to yours, let me say that it ALWAYS sucked. It's a shiat show, the customers are assholes, and you never go home at the end of the day thinking 'wow, I'm glad I did that instead of dozing on the couch watching football'.

Pay me triple time and give me a guaranteed set day off - like the day before or the very next day - and I'm ok with it. But paying me the same rate, expecting me to come in for the whole weekend, and pandering to me by offering 'free' shiatty food?

fark you. That food's not free. That food is what you're using to try and make me not think about the overtime I'm not getting.
 
2013-11-28 09:45:10 AM
Last year I spent Christmas and thanksgiving both working in the cold mud. It's part of being an adult and having a shiat job.

The solution would be to get a better job, but sometimes the people with good jobs gotta work on holidays as well. Thats life.

I really don't feel bad for people working retail today, I've got to feed a bunch of cows this morning and possibly get kicked to death by one cow while being shiat on by another. Retail dont seem half bad really.
 
2013-11-28 09:47:00 AM

feckingmorons: I won't be shopping on Thanksgiving, but some people want the money working on the holiday brings.

As a nurse I've worked Thanksgiving and Christmas for colleagues who have small children and want the day off. The extra pay was always nice.


This is a different as it is essentially health and safety related.  People can get injured any time and any day of the year.  There really is not a need to shop on Thanksgiving evening/night.
 
2013-11-28 09:48:07 AM

cman: Its called "Being an adult".


Well, fark that then. Screw adulthood. Adults suck.
 
2013-11-28 09:57:48 AM
38 years in IT and there was always someone working, Thanksgiving, xmas, 365.24 days a year.
 
2013-11-28 10:01:07 AM

BullBearMS: There are very few holidays that see extended families gather anymore. There is no reason to destroy one of the only ones remaining on the alter of corporate greed.

If you work in emergency services, that's one thing. Banana Republic???

Fark them.


I bet the guy who makes all the iPhone benchmark charts and graphs is working today.
 
2013-11-28 10:02:11 AM
Corporate America couldn't figure out a way to co-opt Thanksgiving, so they just eliminated it.
 
2013-11-28 10:03:56 AM

usernameguy: Corporate America couldn't figure out a way to co-opt Thanksgiving, so they just eliminated it.


I am sure that you can use Obama's time machine to go back in time and tell Alex Jones about this so he could fight the good fight and ensure it never happens
 
2013-11-28 10:14:23 AM
many times , past and present.

They: your working on Thanksgiving?

Me: It's Thursday , I always work Thursdays.
 
2013-11-28 10:35:56 AM

cman: As a teen working at a store I remember being so incredibly pissed about having to work on Labor day, Then I joined the Army, and next thing I know, I am working through Christmas and new years.

People work through Holidays. Its called "Being an adult".


All Army jobs arent created the same.  I was kid working retail and had to work holidays all the time, then I joined the Army and not only did I get most Federal Holidays off but they were almost always in conjunction with a three or four day weekend.  Then I was stationed in Europe and we tended to get their holidays off too, which usually coincided closely with ours anyway.
 
2013-11-28 10:59:27 AM
I'm an adult and I hate working holidays, especially since retail is non-essential.  I'm just selling you crap made in China, you can't wait a day to buy it?   Also, I don't know if you realize this, but jobs are hard to come by.  For instance, I have an MA and the last place I thought I'd still be working 2 years after graduation is in retail, so please stop telling us to get a better job if we don't like working holidays, those have been few and far between.

My mom was a nurse and she would alternate between having Christmas off and Thanksgiving off.  But, again, she was a nurse and was essential to the hospital and got compensated very well for it, but she still hated it and would rather have been home.   Dad was a steelworker who's union made sure he had that day off, so he never worked Thanksgiving.
 
2013-11-28 11:02:46 AM
At Gap, Old Navy and Banana Republic, spokeswoman Andrea Hicklin said, many workers say they enjoy working on holidays...

Management survey: What's more enjoyable?  Working on holidays or receiving a hot poker in the eye?
Employees: Working on holidays

See, our employees enjoy working on holidays!
 
2013-11-28 11:11:07 AM
I have mixed feelings on this, I respect that there are those who want extra money and who don't feel they need or want extra time with their families.

On the other hand I believe that the cornerstone of civilization is the family, and the fact that society is so readily and happily eliminating traditional family-time moments tells me that our moral compass in America is pointing in a direction that history says leads to ruin.
 
2013-11-28 11:12:18 AM

raerae1980: I'm an adult and I hate working holidays, especially since retail is non-essential.  I'm just selling you crap made in China, you can't wait a day to buy it?   Also, I don't know if you realize this, but jobs are hard to come by.  For instance, I have an MA and the last place I thought I'd still be working 2 years after graduation is in retail, so please stop telling us to get a better job if we don't like working holidays, those have been few and far between.

My mom was a nurse and she would alternate between having Christmas off and Thanksgiving off.  But, again, she was a nurse and was essential to the hospital and got compensated very well for it, but she still hated it and would rather have been home.   Dad was a steelworker who's union made sure he had that day off, so he never worked Thanksgiving.


I feel for you dude. I did the Running of the Bulls for years. It's a damn good analogy, because the event involves a herd of large, stinky, stupid, pissed off animals in confined area where someone will get hurt.

I will admit it's not perfect because in Spain, they get to kill the bulls with giant spears.

/Got a good job after 4 years of soul-sucking, but I know where you're coming from
//Christmas season bites
 
2013-11-28 11:13:52 AM
I always hated when I worked for companies that tried to do "fun" things. Especially when it was to try and motivate us when we had to do crap jobs like inventory or holiday hours.

You know what would be motivational? Giving me more money, asswipe. I didn't come to work today to show off my "wacky" hat, I came for a farking paycheck. If it isn't going to be any bigger, I'm not going to work any harder. In fact, if you try to get me to work more with anything BUT money I'm going to be much more likely to half-ass it because not only did I not want to be there in the first place, you're treating me like an idiot to boot. I'm a freakin' adult, if you're not going to pay me more to do shiat work or extra work, fine, but at least don't treat me like I'm a little kid. I can suck it up and do it without your stupid antics, thanks.

/ fortunately, my current company pretty much limits non-monetary bonuses to extra time off and the occasional catered lunch
// the joys of white collar employment
 
2013-11-28 11:25:22 AM

BullBearMS: There are very few holidays that see extended families gather anymore. There is no reason to destroy one of the only ones remaining on the alter of corporate greed.

If you work in emergency services, that's one thing. Banana Republic???

Fark them.


I agree with you, but you're almost saying if you work for our banana republic it is ok, but if you work the Banana Republic, it is bad.
 
2013-11-28 11:26:47 AM
Catered meals, shuttles to the parking lot, security for workers, etc.


So in other words, the catering, transportation, and security industries now have to give up their Thanksgiving too.  Because retail.
 
2013-11-28 11:41:57 AM
I worked turkey day at a tech support call center in 1999. We had a catered dinner around 3pm, no calls, and the sort of bandwidth that made having such a shiat job worthwhile.

Now, to go check on a pair of cats before I go to spend the day with Indians.
 
2013-11-28 11:44:47 AM

Fourstring: security industries


They are a necessity.  Security in my museum will be working, but, again, they are essential and will be well compensated for it.   Not sure what you mean by transportation but the metro/buses are not running a normal schedule.  And catering, well, I guess they are cooking meals for thanksgiving and I'd place them in the same category as restaurants so I'd make them essential, especially since they are not selling you shiat made in China.
 
2013-11-28 11:47:00 AM
Working on national holidays should be mandated to have double-time pay. Also, do this for Election Day.
 
2013-11-28 11:49:15 AM
I don't have to work on Thanksgiving, but I went to college.
 
2013-11-28 12:00:54 PM

natazha: 38 years in IT and there was always someone working, Thanksgiving, xmas, 365.24 days a year.


That is so IT it's not even funny.
 
2013-11-28 12:31:45 PM

natazha: 38 years in IT and there was always someone working, Thanksgiving, xmas, 365.24 days a year.



As someone who's working a problem ticket right now, I'm getting a kick out of this post.

/Not really
 
2013-11-28 12:36:49 PM

Confabulat: Seriously, every place I've worked that's open Thanksgiving, you know about it, and the people with families and plans know to ask far ahead and everyone usually tries to work it out, because there's always people like me that give a rat's ass about Thanksgiving and don't mind working at all, and it usually works out fine. Sometimes someone is stuck working, and that is a crime against humanity, I guess.

whiney children.


At my Walmart, they pretty much cut you off at the knees with blanket denials of time off. This year they gave heads-up warnings to people projected to be scheduled on Black Friday a month and a half in advance, as if to say 'don't even try to get out of it'. I got one of those warnings and then miraculously dodged getting scheduled because the person who made the schedule was in a rush to get it made out and I think she forgot about me.
 
2013-11-28 12:43:30 PM
I thought slavery was illegal in the United States?   Oh - so nobody is forced to work on Thanksgiving?  Gotcha.
 
2013-11-28 12:51:57 PM
Retailers are trying to make things easier for employees forced to work on Thanksgiving because of rampant consumerism

Someone needs to do a study to see just how many people there are who feel the ineluctable compulsion to pass judgement on how other people spend their own money.
 
2013-11-28 01:39:38 PM
has anyone pointed out that there are football players made to work on thanksgiving (and the vendors at the stadiums and the janitors and the ticket cashiers and security and film crews, etc.)

If you watch football on Thanksgiving, then you are also part of the problem.
 
2013-11-28 01:52:42 PM
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Go ahead and wear your favorite Hawaiian shirt!
 
2013-11-28 01:55:53 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Christmas season bites


I farking hate winter, so I am actually happy when the decorations come down. It just means to me that we're a little closer to spring.
 
2013-11-28 02:41:40 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I thought slavery was illegal in the United States?   Oh - so nobody is forced to work on Thanksgiving?  Gotcha.


Forced, no.

Strongly suggested on pain of potential loss of job, yes.
 
2013-11-28 02:51:50 PM
If not for an injury I had the opportunity to work today. Holiday+Scheduled Day Off+Call Back Pay= 4.5 times regular pay. I will weep in my turkey.
 
2013-11-28 04:06:00 PM

Katolu: If not for an injury I had the opportunity to work today. Holiday+Scheduled Day Off+Call Back Pay= 4.5 times regular pay. I will weep in my turkey.


That's great for you, and if you worked it that would be your call. Most retail workers do not a choice, nor do they get holiday pay for Thanksgiving, as it's not considered a "holiday" by corporate. This year they're trying to spin it as a positive by paying extra, but minimum wage plus a couple bucks is not really worth giving up on the one time a year your family can get together.

My last job working for a retail store required Thanksgiving Day for EVERYONE, and they didn't give us time and a half. It was regular bullshiat pay. The only way they paid bonus is if you worked Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. They had a "before, after, and on" rule for holiday pay.

And the customers were complete shiatstains. When we tried to close in the evening, they were still pushing their way in, and the ones in the store wouldn't leave. We all wanted to get home to be with our families while they were still in town and while there was still an opportunity to have a warm meal, or at least dessert with them, and these assbiting jerks were meandering around like it was no big deal that the P.A. system kept saying "The store is now closed. PLEASE make your way to the front registers and exit the store. Have a nice Thanksgiving."

I never felt such hatred for clients or customers as I did that day. Years later, I still wish colon cancer on each and every one of those selfish, nasty, rude, unpleasant motherfarkers, and on the corporate tools who decided we'd be open to cater to those kinds of people.

Because the only kind of person who goes department store shopping on Thanksgiving is a grade-A, scumwad asshole who doesn't care about other people.
 
2013-11-28 04:06:50 PM

ZeroCorpse: Most retail workers do not get a choice


ugh.
 
2013-11-28 04:37:37 PM

ZeroCorpse: Because the only kind of person who goes department store shopping on Thanksgiving is a grade-A, scumwad asshole who doesn't care about other people.


My broke ex has more time than money and she relies on the deep discounts to meet her budget for getting her kids presents. I suspect many of the working poor are facing similar situations.
 
2013-11-28 04:45:55 PM

raerae1980: I think I'm more mad at the fact that all we do anymore is consume, consume, consume.   It's like we're all zombies.  Maybe I'm biased as I work in retail and have worked it for the past decade, but I always look forward to the two days my store is closed, Thanksgiving and Christmas.   I mean, why can't YOU stay home so I can stay home???  That's how I look at it, anyway.


That's exactly how I feel, although you stated it better than I would have.

I had to work today, even though I asked off. I wasn't too happy about missing the family Thanksgiving, but my employer tried to make it a bit easier on people. I got to wear a Packers jersey to work and they did everything they could to get workers out if there early, which was cool.

I was astonished (and disgusted) by how many people were out shopping though.
 
2013-11-28 07:23:54 PM

jst3p: My broke ex has more time than money and she relies on the deep discounts to meet her budget for getting her kids presents. I suspect many of the working poor are facing similar situations.


Hasn't it been shown that Black Friday "deals" really aren't anything special, aside from a small subset of limited offers that exist just to get people in the door?
 
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