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2013-11-27 09:53:05 PM
damn Canada stop being so corupt  your making the GOP look like rank amateurs .
 
2013-11-27 09:56:14 PM
So standard rich-guy not-even-illegal tax dodging shenanigans?

C'mon, I'm American.  If you're rich down here and you're not actively precipitating the imminent financial collapse of the entire planet, the authorities don't even care.
 
2013-11-27 09:56:53 PM
Stephen Harper's attack ads on Justin Trudeau are borderline Trollish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGWuN3ZVuxU
 
2013-11-27 09:59:02 PM

dookdookdook: So standard rich-guy not-even-illegal tax dodging shenanigans?

C'mon, I'm American.  If you're rich down here and you're not actively precipitating the imminent financial collapse of the entire planet, the authorities don't even care.


It's cute when Canada goes "Hey guys, look! We have political scandals, too! Guys? Where are you going?"
 
2013-11-27 10:01:02 PM
Canada. How cute
 
2013-11-27 10:04:50 PM

dookdookdook: So standard rich-guy not-even-illegal tax dodging shenanigans?

C'mon, I'm American.  If you're rich down here and you're not actively precipitating the imminent financial collapse of the entire planet, the authorities don't even care.


shiat, we'd make that guy Secretary of The Treasury.
 
2013-11-27 10:05:21 PM
Cue another Rob Ford revelation in the next few days...
 
2013-11-27 10:07:09 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Canada. How cute


It's not cute to us. It feels like we have an outright bunch of crooks and thugs running the country.  We used to look pretty good on the world stage, but our stance on Kyoto is now an international travesty, and on everything else these ass hats pretty much do what they want and then rub their sweaty nuts in our faces because we can't get rid of them.
 
2013-11-27 10:08:16 PM

van1ty: Stephen Harper's attack ads on Justin Trudeau are borderline Trollish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGWuN3ZVuxU


If Trudeau were anything like his dad, Harper would have already learned his lesson and backed off for good.

He's got the name but he hasn't got the Irish.
 
2013-11-27 10:08:27 PM

dookdookdook: So standard rich-guy not-even-illegal tax dodging shenanigans?

C'mon, I'm American.  If you're rich down here and you're not actively precipitating the imminent financial collapse of the entire planet, the authorities don't even care.


Hell a former PM moved his shipping companies HQ to Barbados to avoid paying taxes in Canada.  This is nothing new, and not in the least bit a scandal.
 
2013-11-27 10:14:59 PM
Fortunately for Harper it is Thanksgiving so no one will notice.
 
2013-11-27 10:20:11 PM
I'm shocked.

Wait, no I'm not. At this point I'm not even slightly surprised.
 
2013-11-27 10:27:40 PM
With a name like "Jim Love", I was really hoping there would be a few prostitutes or babymamas involved.
 
2013-11-27 10:34:54 PM

No Such Agency: Peter von Nostrand: Canada. How cute

It's not cute to us. It feels like we have an outright bunch of crooks and thugs running the country.  We used to look pretty good on the world stage, but our stance on Kyoto is now an international travesty, and on everything else these ass hats pretty much do what they want and then rub their sweaty nuts in our faces because we can't get rid of them.


Chretien was corrupt as hell, Martin claims he didn't know what was going on, but he was up to his eyeballs in government and would have had to have gouged his eyes out and lived in a cave in Iqaluit to be that unaware, Mulroney personally destroyed the PCs with his corruption...it's not exactly something new.  What sets Harper apart is his smearing of our international reputation, like you pointed out, plus the blatant hypocrisy.  Harper came out of the Alliance, which came out of Reform, which claimed to want to clean up the pork in Ottawa.  Then they assimilated the PC rump, and we got an unholy abomination of Mulroney weasels crossed with Alberta pigfarker conservatism.

/also, I'm calling the Cons pigweasels from now on
 
2013-11-27 10:47:42 PM

Bondith: No Such Agency: Peter von Nostrand: Canada. How cute

It's not cute to us. It feels like we have an outright bunch of crooks and thugs running the country.  We used to look pretty good on the world stage, but our stance on Kyoto is now an international travesty, and on everything else these ass hats pretty much do what they want and then rub their sweaty nuts in our faces because we can't get rid of them.

Chretien was corrupt as hell, Martin claims he didn't know what was going on, but he was up to his eyeballs in government and would have had to have gouged his eyes out and lived in a cave in Iqaluit to be that unaware, Mulroney personally destroyed the PCs with his corruption...it's not exactly something new.  What sets Harper apart is his smearing of our international reputation, like you pointed out, plus the blatant hypocrisy.  Harper came out of the Alliance, which came out of Reform, which claimed to want to clean up the pork in Ottawa.  Then they assimilated the PC rump, and we got an unholy abomination of Mulroney weasels crossed with Alberta pigfarker conservatism.

/also, I'm calling the Cons pigweasels from now on


That sounds decidedly unfair to weasels. And ferrets.
 
2013-11-27 10:49:17 PM

Felgraf: Bondith: No Such Agency: Peter von Nostrand: Canada. How cute

It's not cute to us. It feels like we have an outright bunch of crooks and thugs running the country.  We used to look pretty good on the world stage, but our stance on Kyoto is now an international travesty, and on everything else these ass hats pretty much do what they want and then rub their sweaty nuts in our faces because we can't get rid of them.

Chretien was corrupt as hell, Martin claims he didn't know what was going on, but he was up to his eyeballs in government and would have had to have gouged his eyes out and lived in a cave in Iqaluit to be that unaware, Mulroney personally destroyed the PCs with his corruption...it's not exactly something new.  What sets Harper apart is his smearing of our international reputation, like you pointed out, plus the blatant hypocrisy.  Harper came out of the Alliance, which came out of Reform, which claimed to want to clean up the pork in Ottawa.  Then they assimilated the PC rump, and we got an unholy abomination of Mulroney weasels crossed with Alberta pigfarker conservatism.

/also, I'm calling the Cons pigweasels from now on

That sounds decidedly unfair to weasels. And ferrets.


But not pigs?
 
2013-11-27 10:49:33 PM

No Such Agency: Peter von Nostrand: Canada. How cute

It's not cute to us. It feels like we have an outright bunch of crooks and thugs running the country.  We used to look pretty good on the world stage, but our stance on Kyoto is now an international travesty, and on everything else these ass hats pretty much do what they want and then rub their sweaty nuts in our faces because we can't get rid of them.


Adorable.....
 
2013-11-27 10:49:59 PM

Bondith: Felgraf: Bondith: No Such Agency: Peter von Nostrand: Canada. How cute

It's not cute to us. It feels like we have an outright bunch of crooks and thugs running the country.  We used to look pretty good on the world stage, but our stance on Kyoto is now an international travesty, and on everything else these ass hats pretty much do what they want and then rub their sweaty nuts in our faces because we can't get rid of them.

Chretien was corrupt as hell, Martin claims he didn't know what was going on, but he was up to his eyeballs in government and would have had to have gouged his eyes out and lived in a cave in Iqaluit to be that unaware, Mulroney personally destroyed the PCs with his corruption...it's not exactly something new.  What sets Harper apart is his smearing of our international reputation, like you pointed out, plus the blatant hypocrisy.  Harper came out of the Alliance, which came out of Reform, which claimed to want to clean up the pork in Ottawa.  Then they assimilated the PC rump, and we got an unholy abomination of Mulroney weasels crossed with Alberta pigfarker conservatism.

/also, I'm calling the Cons pigweasels from now on

That sounds decidedly unfair to weasels. And ferrets.

But not pigs?


Maybe he's Muslim.
 
2013-11-27 10:57:30 PM

Bondith: Felgraf: Bondith: No Such Agency: Peter von Nostrand: Canada. How cute

It's not cute to us. It feels like we have an outright bunch of crooks and thugs running the country.  We used to look pretty good on the world stage, but our stance on Kyoto is now an international travesty, and on everything else these ass hats pretty much do what they want and then rub their sweaty nuts in our faces because we can't get rid of them.

Chretien was corrupt as hell, Martin claims he didn't know what was going on, but he was up to his eyeballs in government and would have had to have gouged his eyes out and lived in a cave in Iqaluit to be that unaware, Mulroney personally destroyed the PCs with his corruption...it's not exactly something new.  What sets Harper apart is his smearing of our international reputation, like you pointed out, plus the blatant hypocrisy.  Harper came out of the Alliance, which came out of Reform, which claimed to want to clean up the pork in Ottawa.  Then they assimilated the PC rump, and we got an unholy abomination of Mulroney weasels crossed with Alberta pigfarker conservatism.

/also, I'm calling the Cons pigweasels from now on

That sounds decidedly unfair to weasels. And ferrets.

But not pigs?


Fair enough, and pigs too!
 
2013-11-27 11:02:53 PM
"If Trudeau were anything like his dad, Harper would have already learned his lesson and backed off for good.He's got the name but he hasn't got the Irish."Would be awesome to see the Shawinigan Handshake 2.0 on Harper
 
2013-11-27 11:13:02 PM
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2013-11-27 11:15:19 PM
Wait. The group that has stated that government-funded science should solely be interested in things that will help Canadian companies make money, and today followed that up by declaring that our foreign affairs department's sole agenda is to help the private sector, might have something of a soft touch when it comes to profiteering scumbags?
 
2013-11-27 11:16:36 PM
Remember when Tony Clement wouldn't stand up in Question Period for 100 + days to explain why he took 50 million dollars ear marked for security and spent it on beautifying his riding before the election?

Good times. I yearn for Gazebogate.
 
2013-11-27 11:16:55 PM
Oh that scandal. That was from last night already.  I thought we were on to the new one where Finance Minister Jim Flaherty submitted travel expense claims that had been heavily redacted in violation of the law.
 
2013-11-27 11:20:59 PM

mtbhucker: Oh that scandal. That was from last night already.  I thought we were on to the new one where Finance Minister Jim Flaherty submitted travel expense claims that had been heavily redacted in violation of the law.



Oh this isn't about Harper letting the NSA spy during G20/G8?
Which is not a big deal IMO
 
2013-11-27 11:23:07 PM

Bondith: Felgraf: Bondith: No Such Agency: Peter von Nostrand: Canada. How cute

It's not cute to us. It feels like we have an outright bunch of crooks and thugs running the country.  We used to look pretty good on the world stage, but our stance on Kyoto is now an international travesty, and on everything else these ass hats pretty much do what they want and then rub their sweaty nuts in our faces because we can't get rid of them.

Chretien was corrupt as hell, Martin claims he didn't know what was going on, but he was up to his eyeballs in government and would have had to have gouged his eyes out and lived in a cave in Iqaluit to be that unaware, Mulroney personally destroyed the PCs with his corruption...it's not exactly something new.  What sets Harper apart is his smearing of our international reputation, like you pointed out, plus the blatant hypocrisy.  Harper came out of the Alliance, which came out of Reform, which claimed to want to clean up the pork in Ottawa.  Then they assimilated the PC rump, and we got an unholy abomination of Mulroney weasels crossed with Alberta pigfarker conservatism.

/also, I'm calling the Cons pigweasels from now on

That sounds decidedly unfair to weasels. And ferrets.

But not pigs?


To be fair, Canadian pigs have a lot to answer for after the Pickton case...
 
2013-11-27 11:33:32 PM
Really???  That's the best you have?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-27 11:33:53 PM

ontariolightning: mtbhucker: Oh that scandal. That was from last night already.  I thought we were on to the new one where Finance Minister Jim Flaherty submitted travel expense claims that had been heavily redacted in violation of the law.


Oh this isn't about Harper letting the NSA spy during G20/G8?
Which is not a big deal IMO


It is a huge deal in my opinion.  The Harper Government™ is corrupt to the core and only cares about corporate interests.  They all have to go.  The sooner the better.
 
2013-11-27 11:35:57 PM

mtbhucker: ontariolightning: mtbhucker: Oh that scandal. That was from last night already.  I thought we were on to the new one where Finance Minister Jim Flaherty submitted travel expense claims that had been heavily redacted in violation of the law.


Oh this isn't about Harper letting the NSA spy during G20/G8?
Which is not a big deal IMO

It is a huge deal in my opinion.  The Harper Government™ is corrupt to the core and only cares about corporate interests.  They all have to go.  The sooner the better.


There is barely any details in the report though. I'll reserve my outrage.
 
2013-11-27 11:44:52 PM

ontariolightning: mtbhucker: ontariolightning: mtbhucker: Oh that scandal. That was from last night already.  I thought we were on to the new one where Finance Minister Jim Flaherty submitted travel expense claims that had been heavily redacted in violation of the law.


Oh this isn't about Harper letting the NSA spy during G20/G8?
Which is not a big deal IMO

It is a huge deal in my opinion.  The Harper Government™ is corrupt to the core and only cares about corporate interests.  They all have to go.  The sooner the better.

There is barely any details in the report though. I'll reserve my outrage.


When it comes to Harper, I tend to think the worst of that hypocritical dickbag.
 
2013-11-27 11:44:57 PM
Bah!!!  You call that a scandal?   There aren't even hookers!!!!  Back in my day we knew how to be scandalous but you kids today don't want to put forth any effort!!
 
2013-11-27 11:47:28 PM
I don't know, this is just some old fashioned back-scratching. The announcement that HarperGov wants to diplomats to "focus on commerce" is more profoundly unsettling.
 
2013-11-28 12:02:50 AM
From TFA, it sounds like a complex tax and regulatory issue that even experts are going to have to study to see if anything wrong happened, and nevertheless Harper's political opponents want somebody's scalp in advance. Sentence first, trial later. Is that the standard in Canada? Must save a lot of time, if so.
 
2013-11-28 12:12:29 AM

jjorsett: From TFA, it sounds like a complex tax and regulatory issue that even experts are going to have to study to see if anything wrong happened, and nevertheless Harper's political opponents want somebody's scalp in advance. Sentence first, trial later. Is that the standard in Canada? Must save a lot of time, if so.


Of course, when it's a conservative you want more facts before reaching a decision.
 
2013-11-28 12:14:51 AM

jjorsett: From TFA, it sounds like a complex tax and regulatory issue that even experts are going to have to study to see if anything wrong happened, and nevertheless Harper's political opponents want somebody's scalp in advance. Sentence first, trial later. Is that the standard in Canada? Must save a lot of time, if so.


When appointment after appointment of his gets embroiled in some sort of ethical scandal, people tend to get a little skeptical.  This guy is the head of the mint and should go on leave until the case is done with.
 
2013-11-28 12:28:41 AM

No Such Agency: Peter von Nostrand: Canada. How cute

It's not cute to us. It feels like we have an outright bunch of crooks and thugs running the country.  We used to look pretty good on the world stage, but our stance on Kyoto is now an international travesty, and on everything else these ass hats pretty much do what they want and then rub their sweaty nuts in our faces because we can't get rid of them.


They sold all our protected lakes. Changed the law. Thousands of lakes. Now sold to resource extraction companies, with no actionable oversight set up yet. It was one of the most depressing Walrus articles I've ever read.
 
2013-11-28 12:37:24 AM

Bennie Crabtree: No Such Agency: Peter von Nostrand: Canada. How cute

It's not cute to us. It feels like we have an outright bunch of crooks and thugs running the country.  We used to look pretty good on the world stage, but our stance on Kyoto is now an international travesty, and on everything else these ass hats pretty much do what they want and then rub their sweaty nuts in our faces because we can't get rid of them.

They sold all our protected lakes. Changed the law. Thousands of lakes. Now sold to resource extraction companies, with no actionable oversight set up yet. It was one of the most depressing Walrus articles I've ever read.


You can read Walrus? I thought Beaver and Moose would be more important.
 
2013-11-28 12:38:02 AM

jjorsett: From TFA, it sounds like a complex tax and regulatory issue that even experts are going to have to study to see if anything wrong happened, and nevertheless Harper's political opponents want somebody's scalp in advance. Sentence first, trial later. Is that the standard in Canada? Must save a lot of time, if so.


 Love has already stated in response to the filed lawsuit that there were "risks involved" in the scheme. He has effectively stated that there is no merit to the suit because the people whose money he was moving knew that it may not pass muster with the Canadian Revenue Agency, and that they were thus complicit. That in and of itself is disqualifying.
 
2013-11-28 12:46:00 AM
On a scale of 1 to potato, how similar are Canadian Conservatives to the Tea Party members in the USA?
 
2013-11-28 01:06:57 AM

mainstreet62: On a scale of 1 to potato, how similar are Canadian Conservatives to the Tea Party members in the USA?


I'd think they would be betweeb a Stan Rogers and a Loonie.
 
2013-11-28 01:07:29 AM

Darth_Lukecash: You can read Walrus? I thought Beaver and Moose would be more important.


Well The Beaver changed it's name so The Walrus is where it's at.

Here is an article about science, lakes, and the current government, for example.
 
2013-11-28 01:08:00 AM
Flaherty said Tuesday night that he was not aware ...

[orly?]

Prime Minister Stephen Harper likewise said he would not comment...

When "Question Period" becomes "No Answer. Period."

I can't wait to get rid of this schmuck.
 
2013-11-28 01:12:39 AM
It is not inherently illegal to use offshore tax havens, but a lawsuit against Love and several co-defendants by some of Meighen's heirs allege the offshore arrangement put them at risk of "taxes, interest and penalties,"'

Pfft, compared to US politicians, Canadian political scandals range somewhere between "adorable playing around" and "baby's first op-ed column".

I mean, really, slightly shady bank transfers of non-government funds?  US politicians straight up hand their industry buddies billions of taxpayer dollars with almost no pretext in the normal course of doing business.  Catch up, Canada.

... no, wait,  don't catch up.  I got so into it that I momentarily forgot that the US is north America's second-worst example for all things government.

// In fairness to the US... we're still not Mexico, corruption-wise.  So not even the same order of magnitude as the big gun corruption-wise.
 
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2013-11-28 01:57:10 AM

ontariolightning: Oh this isn't about Harper letting the NSA spy during G20/G8?


maybe it's the one about not charging Col Russel Williams for the child porn they found on his computer?
 
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2013-11-28 01:58:41 AM

mainstreet62: On a scale of 1 to potato, how similar are Canadian Conservatives to the Tea Party members in the USA?


When you ask the sience minister about evolution, he answers that his religious views are private. So, it's pretty much taters.
 
2013-11-28 02:04:21 AM
Bondith:Harper came out of the Alliance, which came out of Reform, which claimed to want to clean up the pork in Ottawa.  Then they assimilated the PC rump, and we got an unholy abomination of Mulroney weasels crossed with Alberta pigfarker Ontario Baystreetpeoplefarker conservatism.

Ontario. Harper is from Ontario. He wears the west the same way he wore that kitten.
 
2013-11-28 02:07:10 AM
On Tuesday night, CBC reported that the mint chairman, Toronto tax lawyer Jim Love, had helped some descendants of former Tory prime minister Arthur Meighen transfer $8 million through offshore companies and entities in the Caribbean. Love said in court documents that the complicated transactions "resulted in significant savings of Canadian tax"- an amount he estimated at $1 million.

OK, not too familiar with this story or the people involved, so maybe someone can help clear up a couple of things...

1. "Descendants"? Really? Are these like great-grandchildren or something? Seems like an awful long way back to reach for a scandal.

2. A million bucks? Once again, really? This boils down to some people saving just a million bucks in taxes? Is a million dollars in 2013 Canada different than a million bucks in 2013 USA? Because I can tell you that while I'd love to have an extra million bucks, it really isn't that much money nowadays, definitely not a scandal to rock the world, or anything.

So really, I guess it boils down to what Canada considers a "scandal" compared to what we consider a scandal here, because some "descendants" saving a million bucks really seems like small potatoes...
 
2013-11-28 02:09:42 AM

Bennie Crabtree: Darth_Lukecash: You can read Walrus? I thought Beaver and Moose would be more important.

Well The Beaver changed it's name so The Walrus is where it's at.

Here is an article about science, lakes, and the current government, for example.


Oh my god, I didn't realize that The Beaver turned into the Walrus.

That symbolism works well in life...

Great read.  I'm gonna assume that your conservatives aren't really anti-science...but very pro industrial and very much hackers of social budgets.

This is how it's starts, Canada...They go for your smaller less impact programs, then go for bigger and bigger.

Why the hell are you trying to be like USA?
 
2013-11-28 02:24:01 AM

Mikey1969: So really, I guess it boils down to what Canada considers a "scandal" compared to what we consider a scandal here, because some "descendants" saving a million bucks really seems like small potatoes...


As a former British colony with a history of much less wealth disparity despite great regional inequalities, this is very much a scandal for us. The richest in our country are hiding their wealth to avoid taxation while enjoying the largess of our commons including the public healthcare system, while the middle class are being increasingly taxed at higher rates and the government refuses to prosecute high profile financial crimes even when there is ample evidence. There is a ton of rage in the West over the ongoing financial scandals and seeming inability of Conservative governments to ensure a proper return on our natural resources as well.
 
2013-11-28 02:24:21 AM
I'm no fan of Harper's Conservatives - but if it's not illegal, what's the problem? Oh no, a buddy shared banking advice with another buddy?
 
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