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(Talking Points Memo)   Pick your spin: 58% of Americans oppose Obamacare. 54% either approve or think it needs to go further   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2013-11-27 04:13:34 PM  
4 votes:
I don't think there is near the disdain for the ACA that the conservatives would have you believe there is.
And, once people actually start using it, it will become more palatable and political suicide for the right to continue to attempt to repeal it.
2013-11-27 04:55:14 PM  
3 votes:

Animatronik: Farkin_Crazy: I don't think there is near the disdain for the ACA that the conservatives would have you believe there is.
And, once people actually start using it, it will become more palatable and political suicide for the right to continue to attempt to repeal it.

Hahahahaha..uhhahahahaha.
Keep trying

This law is a disaster. A friends company just announ that they will no longer offer coverage to spouses because Obamacare. His wife is panicking. Thanks to the mismanagement by the govt, the middle class is getting screwed.

I am fortunate to have good insurance.The problem with Obamacare is that its a clusterfark.
Its really that simple.


Ahhh yes, the one where there was no problem at all before Obamacare came along and farked everything up.

Because if we can pretend there was no problem with healthcare and the insurance industry, then we can ignore the fact that Republicans are more than welcome to offer up their own perfectly flawless, no trade-offs, all upsides plan for solving them.

No, it's much better to do nothing at all and stand back with your arms crossed shouting at those who actually ARE trying to solve problems, and shout "it doesn't fix everything perfectly right from the get-go at absolutely no cost and with no trade-offs or unintended consequences!!! It's an abyssmal failure!!!"
2013-11-27 04:38:28 PM  
3 votes:

Brostorm: You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks that don't know whats good for them


Oh, no, not at all. Some of the people opposed to the ACA are Republican politicians who cynically lie about it because they haven't got anything else to run on.
2013-11-27 04:21:06 PM  
3 votes:
Considering the bad press (some of which is justified), I'm not surprised.

But it's a program that is still in its infancy so judging it a month out seems a little pre-mature. If we're still having this problems a year from now, then we can start to wonder what reforms need to take place.
2013-11-27 04:16:07 PM  
3 votes:
I think a lot of people are ignorant as to what, exactly, it entails. We've got a media which does not inform, and a populous that conflates freedom and ignorance. I am not surprised in the least.
2013-11-27 06:23:00 PM  
2 votes:
No contradiction in the numbers, because about half of the people that are not happy with the ACA want it to go further. The GOP counts this group as against the ACA. About 25% are flat out against Obamacare, but are in favor of the majority of the provisions. That group will be screaming "Keep your government hands off my ACA", in a year or two."
2013-11-27 04:34:31 PM  
2 votes:

technicolor-misfit: And a solid 30-40% of those who absolutely hate it, believe it's insurance created by the government and given to poor people for free. Period.

I have a cousin who refuses to shop for her Blue Cross insurance on the federal exchange, in spite of the fact that it's like 20-30% cheaper (before subsidies) than the comparable Blue Cross insurance that BC/BS is trying to push on her directly.

There are none so farked in the ass without lube than those who will not see.


Same here.  I got a friend that does not have insurance now but does not want Obamacare because she will have to pay the $4,000 deductable.  She has cancer and treatments can be $98K apiece but she listens to the Limbaugh and Levin the radio and thinks she is better off with out insurance.
2013-11-27 04:21:52 PM  
2 votes:
And a solid 30-40% of those who absolutely hate it, believe it's insurance created by the government and given to poor people for free. Period.

I have a cousin who refuses to shop for her Blue Cross insurance on the federal exchange, in spite of the fact that it's like 20-30% cheaper (before subsidies) than the comparable Blue Cross insurance that BC/BS is trying to push on her directly.

There are none so farked in the ass without lube than those who will not see.
2013-11-27 10:43:19 PM  
1 vote:

GeneralJim: grumpfuff: GeneralJim: Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, '40 to 67 percent' of customers will not be able to keep their policy.

In otherwords, nothing to do with the ACA.Ooh, wrong again -- because, before Obamacare two thirds of people were cancelled each year...  At least you're consistent.


About that....

PART 2-OTHER PROVISIONS
SEC. 1251 ø42 U.S.C. 18011¿. PRESERVATION OF RIGHT TO MAINTAIN
EXISTING COVERAGE.
(a) NO CHANGES TO EXISTING COVERAGE.-
(1) IN GENERAL.-Nothing in this Act (or an amendment
made by this Act) shall be construed to require that an individual
terminate coverage under a group health plan or health
insurance coverage in which such individual was enrolled on
the date of enactment of this Act.
(2) CONTINUATION OF COVERAGE.-øAs revised by section
10103(d)(1)¿ Except as provided in paragraph (3), with respect
to a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which
an individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this
Act, this subtitle and subtitle A (and the amendments made by
such subtitles) shall not apply to such plan or coverage, regardless
of whether the individual renews such coverage after such
date of enactment.
(3) APPLICATION OF CERTAIN PROVISIONS.-øAs added by
section 10103(d)(1)¿ The provisions of sections 2715 and 2718
of the Public Health Service Act (as added by subtitle A) shall
apply to grandfathered health plans for plan years beginning
on or after the date of enactment of this Act.
(4) APPLICATION OF CERTAIN PROVISIONS.-øAs added by
section 2301(a) of HCERA¿

It is as if the ACA says that they could keep their plans, but the insurance companies cancelled them.
2013-11-27 10:33:53 PM  
1 vote:

BullBearMS: Mrtraveler01: BullBearMS: Mrtraveler01: He does raise a point though. How come you never hold Republicans to the same high standard that you hold Obama?

When did the Republicans say they were going to end the wars, restore civil liberties, restore the rule of law, prosecute the banks, keep lobbyists from running the government, etc, etc, etc???

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Let me ask you this, is there anything that the Democrats have done right? Is there anything the Republicans have done wrong?

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This Obama shill mentality where you can't criticize him when he farks up is a never ending source of stupidity.

Attacking Obama for refusing to prosecute the banks, for example, is entirely a good thing.

Shame them into taking action.


Yes, it is, but we are not talking about that right now. You are just making up shiat about the ACA and we are calling you out.
2013-11-27 09:53:01 PM  
1 vote:

GeneralJim: Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, '40 to 67 percent' of customers will not be able to keep their policy.


In otherwords, nothing to do with the ACA.
2013-11-27 09:18:20 PM  
1 vote:

GeneralJim: However, in THIS cluster-fark, having done NOTHING would have been vastly superior.


Oh, bullshiat.

My girlfriend is ALIVE thanks to being able to stay on her parents' plan and the elimination of lifetime caps.

I'm actually now able to get insurance at a cost that doesn't exceed my gross income.

Thanks, Obamacare!
2013-11-27 08:43:26 PM  
1 vote:

BullBearMS: Mrtraveler01: BullBearMS: Holy farking shiat...

As more bad poll numbers continue to pour in for President Barack Obama, a new survey finds that if the 2012 election matchup were held this month, Mitt Romney would hold the edge with the voters.

Romney topped Obama 49 percent to 45 percent among registered voters in the Washington Post-ABC News poll released Tuesday. Among all Americans, the 2012 rivals would be tied, at 47 percent.

When the majority of registered voters wish they had voted for Romney instead?

You have totally and completely failed.

So vote Republican.

They wish they did.

Epic Obama fail.

However, perhaps you and the other derp squad member will tell us how stupid people are some more. I'm sure that will help.


I would've voted for Romney if I actually knew what his plan was.

The reason he's doing better than Obama in those polls is because the guy is out of the spotlight. Same reason why Bush and Clinton's numbers both went up after they left office.
2013-11-27 08:41:34 PM  
1 vote:

BullBearMS: whidbey: Mrtraveler01: You seem excited about the GOP winning for some reason.

That's his whole shtick basically: throw everything at the wall to make liberals guilty for voting Obama, all while showing "concern." Claims to be above "both sides," but any criticism of Republicans is scarce, if not disguised as more Democrat-bashing. Oh and the wall of blue hypertext. Almost forgot that hallmark.

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Why won't you lie for him???!


He does raise a point though. How come you never hold Republicans to the same high standard that you hold Obama?

For a "Progressive", you sure like to give the Republicans a pass for everything.

Is Obama perfect? No, of course not. Is he better than the alternative? You damn right he is.
2013-11-27 08:35:38 PM  
1 vote:

Mrtraveler01: You seem excited about the GOP winning for some reason.


That's his whole shtick basically: throw everything at the wall to make liberals guilty for voting Obama, all while showing "concern." Claims to be above "both sides," but any criticism of Republicans is scarce, if not disguised as more Democrat-bashing. Oh and the wall of blue hypertext. Almost forgot that hallmark.
2013-11-27 07:24:26 PM  
1 vote:

GeneralJim: I am fortunate to have good insurance.The problem with Obamacare is that its a clusterfark.
Its really that simple.Yes, it is that simple.  I REALLY find it hard to believe that even Fark leftists are supporting this turd of legislation, written by insurance company lobbyists.  Trying to shift blame onto the ZERO Republicans who voted for it, I would understand.  Blaming those who wrote it, saying they tricked the poor Democrats, I would understand.   But trying to find the "good points" about being rammed up the arse with a red-hot poker?  Seriously?


So maybe you can tell me which part of Obamacare didn't allow insurance to cover spouses (even though my plan still does)?

I mean there are legitimate criticisms of it but using anecdotes that can be easily debunked doesn't help.

GeneralJim: Some facts -- Over half of the people insured at the end of 2012 will lose their policies, due to Obamacare, before the 2014 elections.  I would note that people with insurance were 85% pleased with the insurance they had.  "Replacement policies" will, in the vast majority of cases, cost significantly more, AND have significantly higher deductibles, and this is not something that "talking points" will fix; the vast majority will be taking a MAJOR hit in insurance, either by increased premiums, or by losing coverage altogether.  Many people are also losing their jobs -- at least full-time jobs -- so employers can avoid the nastiness that is Obamacare.


My "Replacement policy" at work moved me from a regular insurance plan to something more like an HSA, they did drop the plan I had before. But I'm also going to pay less for the HSA than I do for my insurance plan (it does help that my company offers a discount for non-smokers).
2013-11-27 07:16:39 PM  
1 vote:
GeneralJim:  In the 2014 election, as it stands now, of the Senate seats up for election in 2014, currently, there are 21 held by Democrats and 14 held by Republicans.  If Senate elections go 50/50, the Republicans take the Senate.

Soo... 35 seats are up for grabs, 14 currently held by Republicans.  Can't divide 35 exactly in half, so we'll round up in the GOP's favor, which means they would take 18 of 35 contested seats, if we go "50/50". This means that the GOP would pick up 4 seats. Since they currently have 45, that would leave them with 49.

Jesus, dude... is this some kind of double secret Trolling where you post something that is just flat out mathematically wrong?
2013-11-27 05:27:59 PM  
1 vote:

Brostorm: This thread is hilarious.  You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks that don't know whats good for them.  Of course you know whats good for them, of course you do.


 I don't think *anyone* opposed to this law is an "ignorant redneck." But the sheer torrent of misinformation regarding ACA has given rise to a very large number of people who believe that it's "socialism," or worse. Take a look at your typical right-wing outlet (Fox being the most influential) and judge for yourself the veracity of their content, especially in relation to Obamacare. If you're one of the people who recite that bullsh*t on forums or at the water cooler, yeah, you're ignorant. It doesn't mean that I "know what's good for you." But it does mean I can call you a low-information voter who would likely cut off his nose to spite his face.
2013-11-27 05:24:52 PM  
1 vote:

Headso: meh another obamacare thread, i'm going to use this post to tell you all I just ate 5 chocolate chip gluten free cannabis cookies, u jelly?


Jealous of glutin free crap? No.
2013-11-27 05:01:44 PM  
1 vote:

Animatronik: Farkin_Crazy: I don't think there is near the disdain for the ACA that the conservatives would have you believe there is.
And, once people actually start using it, it will become more palatable and political suicide for the right to continue to attempt to repeal it.

Hahahahaha..uhhahahahaha.
Keep trying

This law is a disaster. A friends company just announ that they will no longer offer coverage to spouses because Obamacare. His wife is panicking. Thanks to the mismanagement by the govt, the middle class is getting screwed.

I am fortunate to have good insurance.The problem with Obamacare is that its a clusterfark.
Its really that simple.


This has been something companies have started doing a few years ago, just now they get to blame it on the ACA because they know gullible folks who WANT to believe that anyway will fall for it.

My own company has been mulling it over for a few years now, and might do it next year. However your friend might want to check the details... Typically when companies do this they will no longer cover spouses who are eligible for health care through their own jobs, not just decline coverage for all spouses at all. It's purely a cost saving measure, the ACA is just a convenient scapegoat.
2013-11-27 04:59:50 PM  
1 vote:

Mrtraveler01: What part of Obamacare prohibits this?


My guess is that, where in the past health ins. co.'s would just raise rates (and sometimes companies would then cancel benefits) now they just blame everything on Obamacare, whether the ACA actually had anything to do with it or not.
2013-11-27 04:55:22 PM  
1 vote:
Fark!myspacebarjustdied
2013-11-27 04:46:39 PM  
1 vote:

Wooly Bully: Brostorm: You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks that don't know whats good for them

Oh, no, not at all. Some of the people opposed to the ACA are Republican politicians who cynically lie about it because they haven't got anything else to run on.


And yet more are stubborn assholes who just don't want Obama to be right about anything.

And yet more have bound themselves to a particular philosophy of government, and even if something works, if it doesn't fit their narrow view of the way it should work, it's evil.

And then there's the garden variety "got mine, fark you" sorts.
2013-11-27 04:38:16 PM  
1 vote:

Brostorm: This thread is hilarious.  You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks that don't know whats good for them.  Of course you know whats good for them, of course you do.


Given the level of derp, that's exactly what they are. And shutting up would be "what's good for them."
2013-11-27 04:36:46 PM  
1 vote:
 58% of Americans oppose Obamacare.

^ this is spin, subby

54% either approve or think it needs to go further

^ this is repeating a fact, subby

Hope this helps.
2013-11-27 04:36:44 PM  
1 vote:

Brostorm: This thread is hilarious.  You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks that don't know whats good for them.  Of course you know whats good for them, of course you do.


No, we understand that people who oppose the law but support all its parts are completely ignorant of what's in it, they just hate it because OBAMA SCARY AND FREEDOMS AND FURTHERMORE AND SUCH AS RUSSIA WHICH I CAN SEE FROM MY HOUSE.
2013-11-27 04:18:52 PM  
1 vote:
The only thing we should be paying attention to--and condemning--is the social conservative right-wing derp surrounding this.

Anyone who complains about the Web site, how "everything is going to get more expensive" or that ACA isn't actual reform need to get farked. Your arguments are stupid, and you are being an annoying ass perpetrating them.
 
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