Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Talking Points Memo)   Pick your spin: 58% of Americans oppose Obamacare. 54% either approve or think it needs to go further   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
    More: Interesting, obamacare, Americans, ORC International  
•       •       •

1265 clicks; posted to Politics » on 27 Nov 2013 at 4:11 PM (2 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



232 Comments     (+0 »)
 
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Newest | Show all

 
2013-11-27 08:16:18 PM  
 
2013-11-27 08:17:19 PM  
It's almost like watching someone break down after being given a post-hypnotic suggestion.
 
2013-11-27 08:18:48 PM  

fatassbastard: GeneralJim:  In the 2014 election, as it stands now, of the Senate seats up for election in 2014, currently, there are 21 held by Democrats and 14 held by Republicans.  If Senate elections go 50/50, the Republicans take the Senate.

Soo... 35 seats are up for grabs, 14 currently held by Republicans.  Can't divide 35 exactly in half, so we'll round up in the GOP's favor, which means they would take 18 of 35 contested seats, if we go "50/50". This means that the GOP would pick up 4 seats. Since they currently have 45, that would leave them with 49.

Jesus, dude... is this some kind of double secret Trolling where you post something that is just flat out mathematically wrong?


You forgot to carry the potato.
 
2013-11-27 08:21:32 PM  
And uh-oh Tweedle Derp just showed up. It's going to be a long night.

media.jrn.com
 
2013-11-27 08:22:03 PM  

Mrtraveler01: GeneralJim: 8. All insurance companies can operate in all 50 states, and all territories.

I never understood what this one was supposed to accomplish.

Didn't we try this same stuff with the credit card companies, only to see them move to DE where the regulations favored them the most?


And credit cards have never been cheaper, more available, or offered more rewards?
 
2013-11-27 08:23:05 PM  

Mrtraveler01:

GeneralJim: I am fortunate to have good insurance.The problem with Obamacare is that its a clusterfark.
Its really that simple.

Yes, it is that simple.  I REALLY find it hard to believe that even Fark leftists are supporting this turd of legislation, written by insurance company lobbyists.  Trying to shift blame onto the ZERO Republicans who voted for it, I would understand.  Blaming those who wrote it, saying they tricked the poor Democrats, I would understand.   But trying to find the "good points" about being rammed up the arse with a red-hot poker?  Seriously?

So maybe you can tell me which part of Obamacare didn't allow insurance to cover spouses (even though my plan still does)?

I mean there are legitimate criticisms of it but using anecdotes that can be easily debunked doesn't help.

WTF?   Where in the HELL did I even mention spouses?  So, what is it? Are you just reading random talking points? Do they even pay you for that?

 
2013-11-27 08:27:00 PM  

homelessdude:

2) What is your solution to that problem that would be better than the ACA?
Normally, this would make sense.  However, in THIS cluster-fark, having done NOTHING would have been vastly superior.
 
2013-11-27 08:27:55 PM  
Polls about whether people plan to vote for John Doe or Joe Doakes next Tuesday have some informational value.
Attempts to poll people on complex issues usually don't, and are usually exercises in ideological push-polling, like every poll on "Obamacare" ever.
This poll is junk data. Use it to make yourself feel better, if it does - but that's it's only potential use.
 
2013-11-27 08:30:06 PM  

dangelder:

GeneralJim: Ned Stark: Especially since they still get to set up tiny monopolies and IRS illegal to not buy their product.
Its a blindingly obvious outcome if you just ask yourself "what would a money obsessed sociopath do?" But I guess America just can't bring itself to question the Free Market™.

Oh, FFS...  YOU, yourself, call it "tiny monopolies" for a product "illegal not to buy."  This has close to NOTHING to do with "free markets."  In a free market, you can say "fark you, I don't want your product."

Remember when someone told you to knock it off with the green text and you said it was because some old Fark client used green text to quote people? Yeah that was bullshiat.
No, I don't, because I never said that.  How about you STFU with all your bullshiat?
 
2013-11-27 08:30:10 PM  
The newest Quinnipiac poll out today shows Obama with only a 34% approval rating.

In addition, 57% said he is dishonest and untrustworthy.

Obama's doing great and this will hardly fark over his party in the midterms at all.
 
2013-11-27 08:31:09 PM  

GeneralJim: Mrtraveler01: GeneralJim: I am fortunate to have good insurance.The problem with Obamacare is that its a clusterfark.
Its really that simple.

Yes, it is that simple.  I REALLY find it hard to believe that even Fark leftists are supporting this turd of legislation, written by insurance company lobbyists.  Trying to shift blame onto the ZERO Republicans who voted for it, I would understand.  Blaming those who wrote it, saying they tricked the poor Democrats, I would understand.   But trying to find the "good points" about being rammed up the arse with a red-hot poker?  Seriously?

So maybe you can tell me which part of Obamacare didn't allow insurance to cover spouses (even though my plan still does)?

I mean there are legitimate criticisms of it but using anecdotes that can be easily debunked doesn't help.WTF?   Where in the HELL did I even mention spouses?  So, what is it? Are you just reading random talking points? Do they even pay you for that?


Did you even read the post you first responded to?

GeneralJim: Animatronik: Farkin_Crazy: I don't think there is near the disdain for the ACA that the conservatives would have you believe there is.
And, once people actually start using it, it will become more palatable and political suicide for the right to continue to attempt to repeal it.

Hahahahaha..uhhahahahaha.
Keep trying

This law is a disaster. A friends company just announ that they will no longer offer coverage to spouses because Obamacare. His wife is panicking. Thanks to the mismanagement by the govt, the middle class is getting screwed.

I am fortunate to have good insurance.The problem with Obamacare is that its a clusterfark.
Its really that simple.Yes, it is that simple.  I REALLY find it hard to believe that even Fark leftists are supporting this turd of legislation, written by insurance company lobbyists.  Trying to shift blame onto the ZERO Republicans who voted for it, I would understand.  Blaming those who wrote it, saying they tricked the poor Democrats, I would understand.   But trying to find the "good points" about being rammed up the arse with a red-hot poker?  Seriously?
Some facts -- Over half of the people insured at the end of 2012 will lose their policies, due to Obamacare, before the 2014 elections.  I would note that people with insurance were 85% pleased with the insurance they had.  "Replacement policies" will, in the vast majority of cases, cost significantly more, AND have significantly higher deductibles, and this is not something that "talking points" will fix; the vast majority will be taking a MAJOR hit in insurance, either by increased premiums, or by losing coverage altogether.  Many people are also losing their jobs -- at least full-time jobs -- so employers can avoid the nastiness that is Obamacare.Even Democrats are bailing on this immense cluster-fark -- they know that you can't pick up a turd by the "clean end," and that if they are associated with Obamacare in the elections, they're friggin' toast.  As always, 100% of the seats ...


So tell me which part of Obamacare is responsible for that guy's company not allowing his spouse to be covered under his insurance plan? Mind the fact that my insurance plan current and future will continue to allow me to cover spouses?
 
2013-11-27 08:32:26 PM  

BullBearMS: The newest Quinnipiac poll out today shows Obama with only a 34% approval rating.

In addition, 57% said he is dishonest and untrustworthy.

Obama's doing great and this will hardly fark over his party in the midterms at all.


I'm sure the GOP will find another way to screw it up just like they did in 2010 and 2012.

You seem excited about the GOP winning for some reason.
 
2013-11-27 08:34:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01:

GeneralJim: 8. All insurance companies can operate in all 50 states, and all territories.

I never understood what this one was supposed to accomplish.

Didn't we try this same stuff with the credit card companies, only to see them move to DE where the regulations favored them the most?
Being able to buy insurance from any vendor increases competition.   Take a class.
 
2013-11-27 08:35:38 PM  

Mrtraveler01: You seem excited about the GOP winning for some reason.


That's his whole shtick basically: throw everything at the wall to make liberals guilty for voting Obama, all while showing "concern." Claims to be above "both sides," but any criticism of Republicans is scarce, if not disguised as more Democrat-bashing. Oh and the wall of blue hypertext. Almost forgot that hallmark.
 
2013-11-27 08:35:54 PM  

BullBearMS: The newest Quinnipiac poll out today shows Obama with only a 34% approval rating.

In addition, 57% said he is dishonest and untrustworthy.

Obama's doing great and this will hardly fark over his party in the midterms at all.


It also shows a 3-1 disapproval of the Republican shutdown strategy, and 71% disapprove of the Republicans in Congress(as opposed to 60% for Democrats). In terms of the 2014 elections, the generic Democrat beats the generic Republican 43-34.

But hey, I'm sure your cherrypicked stat is what matters.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/na t ional/release-detail?ReleaseID=1958
 
2013-11-27 08:36:57 PM  
 
2013-11-27 08:37:16 PM  

grumpfuff: BullBearMS: The newest Quinnipiac poll out today shows Obama with only a 34% approval rating.

In addition, 57% said he is dishonest and untrustworthy.

Obama's doing great and this will hardly fark over his party in the midterms at all.

It also shows a 3-1 disapproval of the Republican shutdown strategy, and 71% disapprove of the Republicans in Congress(as opposed to 60% for Democrats). In terms of the 2014 elections, the generic Democrat beats the generic Republican 43-34.

But hey, I'm sure your cherrypicked stat is what matters.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/na t ional/release-detail?ReleaseID=1958


Ignore that, I pulled up the wrong one.
 
2013-11-27 08:37:30 PM  

GeneralJim: Mrtraveler01: GeneralJim: 8. All insurance companies can operate in all 50 states, and all territories.

I never understood what this one was supposed to accomplish.

Didn't we try this same stuff with the credit card companies, only to see them move to DE where the regulations favored them the most?Being able to buy insurance from any vendor increases competition.   Take a class.


Because that really helped before the ACA. Oh, wait.
 
2013-11-27 08:37:44 PM  

GeneralJim: Mrtraveler01: GeneralJim: 8. All insurance companies can operate in all 50 states, and all territories.

I never understood what this one was supposed to accomplish.

Didn't we try this same stuff with the credit card companies, only to see them move to DE where the regulations favored them the most?Being able to buy insurance from any vendor increases competition.   Take a class.


So I can buy from either Blue Cross of Michigan or Blue Cross of Wisconsin?

Won't this law basically just consolidate Blue Cross Blue Shield into one state? The only reason that they have operations in each state is because regulation requires them to be based in the state they want to sell to.
 
2013-11-27 08:38:57 PM  

BullBearMS: Holy farking shiat...

As more bad poll numbers continue to pour in for President Barack Obama, a new survey finds that if the 2012 election matchup were held this month, Mitt Romney would hold the edge with the voters.

Romney topped Obama 49 percent to 45 percent among registered voters in the Washington Post-ABC News poll released Tuesday. Among all Americans, the 2012 rivals would be tied, at 47 percent.

When the majority of registered voters wish they had voted for Romney instead?

You have totally and completely failed.


So vote Republican.
 
2013-11-27 08:39:10 PM  

whidbey: Mrtraveler01: You seem excited about the GOP winning for some reason.

That's his whole shtick basically: throw everything at the wall to make liberals guilty for voting Obama, all while showing "concern." Claims to be above "both sides," but any criticism of Republicans is scarce, if not disguised as more Democrat-bashing. Oh and the wall of blue hypertext. Almost forgot that hallmark.


dl.dropboxusercontent.com

Why won't you lie for him???!
 
2013-11-27 08:40:23 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: GeneralJim: Mrtraveler01: GeneralJim: 8. All insurance companies can operate in all 50 states, and all territories.

I never understood what this one was supposed to accomplish.

Didn't we try this same stuff with the credit card companies, only to see them move to DE where the regulations favored them the most?Being able to buy insurance from any vendor increases competition.   Take a class.

Because that really helped before the ACA. Oh, wait.


Well they were going to get around to doing it, but the liberals kept badgering Bush and Obama distracted us by jacking up the deficits and hiding from birth certificate disclosure requests, so we're a little behind schedule. Maybe by 2016 when we get a Republican in office again can we right this finally.
 
2013-11-27 08:40:47 PM  

Mrtraveler01: BullBearMS: Holy farking shiat...

As more bad poll numbers continue to pour in for President Barack Obama, a new survey finds that if the 2012 election matchup were held this month, Mitt Romney would hold the edge with the voters.

Romney topped Obama 49 percent to 45 percent among registered voters in the Washington Post-ABC News poll released Tuesday. Among all Americans, the 2012 rivals would be tied, at 47 percent.

When the majority of registered voters wish they had voted for Romney instead?

You have totally and completely failed.

So vote Republican.


They wish they did.

Epic Obama fail.

However, perhaps you and the other derp squad member will tell us how stupid people are some more. I'm sure that will help.
 
2013-11-27 08:41:34 PM  

BullBearMS: whidbey: Mrtraveler01: You seem excited about the GOP winning for some reason.

That's his whole shtick basically: throw everything at the wall to make liberals guilty for voting Obama, all while showing "concern." Claims to be above "both sides," but any criticism of Republicans is scarce, if not disguised as more Democrat-bashing. Oh and the wall of blue hypertext. Almost forgot that hallmark.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 160x120]

Why won't you lie for him???!


He does raise a point though. How come you never hold Republicans to the same high standard that you hold Obama?

For a "Progressive", you sure like to give the Republicans a pass for everything.

Is Obama perfect? No, of course not. Is he better than the alternative? You damn right he is.
 
2013-11-27 08:42:33 PM  
grumpfuff:

Ignore that, I pulled up the wrong one.

So looking at the newest one, Democrats lost their lead on the 2014 elections, but the Republican/Democrat in Congress approval ratings are about the same.

Of course, if you look at who would vote for what, moderates still prefer a Democrat to a Republican 44-28, so take that for what you will.
 
2013-11-27 08:43:26 PM  

BullBearMS: Mrtraveler01: BullBearMS: Holy farking shiat...

As more bad poll numbers continue to pour in for President Barack Obama, a new survey finds that if the 2012 election matchup were held this month, Mitt Romney would hold the edge with the voters.

Romney topped Obama 49 percent to 45 percent among registered voters in the Washington Post-ABC News poll released Tuesday. Among all Americans, the 2012 rivals would be tied, at 47 percent.

When the majority of registered voters wish they had voted for Romney instead?

You have totally and completely failed.

So vote Republican.

They wish they did.

Epic Obama fail.

However, perhaps you and the other derp squad member will tell us how stupid people are some more. I'm sure that will help.


I would've voted for Romney if I actually knew what his plan was.

The reason he's doing better than Obama in those polls is because the guy is out of the spotlight. Same reason why Bush and Clinton's numbers both went up after they left office.
 
2013-11-27 08:44:26 PM  

grumpfuff: grumpfuff:

Ignore that, I pulled up the wrong one.

So looking at the newest one, Democrats lost their lead on the 2014 elections, but the Republican/Democrat in Congress approval ratings are about the same.

Of course, if you look at who would vote for what, moderates still prefer a Democrat to a Republican 44-28, so take that for what you will.


Missouri doesn't have a Senator up for election in 2014 and I'm in a district that is solidly Republican. Not sure I can make much of a difference here.
 
2013-11-27 08:44:26 PM  

grumpfuff: Of course, if you look at who would vote for what, moderates still prefer a Democrat to a Republican 44-28, so take that for what you will.


He doesn't believe in climate change, either.
 
2013-11-27 08:45:52 PM  

whidbey: grumpfuff: Of course, if you look at who would vote for what, moderates still prefer a Democrat to a Republican 44-28, so take that for what you will.

He doesn't believe in climate change, either.


Oh I know. His farky is a link to another Farker epicly destroying his every argument. This way I have it saved for reference if need be.
 
2013-11-27 08:47:05 PM  

Mrtraveler01: He does raise a point though. How come you never hold Republicans to the same high standard that you hold Obama?


When did the Republicans say they were going to end the wars, restore civil liberties, restore the rule of law, prosecute the banks, keep lobbyists from running the government, etc, etc, etc???

dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-11-27 08:47:27 PM  

GeneralJim: Animatronik: Farkin_Crazy: I don't think there is near the disdain for the ACA that the conservatives would have you believe there is.
And, once people actually start using it, it will become more palatable and political suicide for the right to continue to attempt to repeal it.

Hahahahaha..uhhahahahaha.
Keep trying

This law is a disaster. A friends company just announ that they will no longer offer coverage to spouses because Obamacare. His wife is panicking. Thanks to the mismanagement by the govt, the middle class is getting screwed.

I am fortunate to have good insurance.The problem with Obamacare is that its a clusterfark.
Its really that simple.Yes, it is that simple.  I REALLY find it hard to believe that even Fark leftists are supporting this turd of legislation, written by insurance company lobbyists.  Trying to shift blame onto the ZERO Republicans who voted for it, I would understand.


Those same Republicans who tried to repeal the law 30+ times, threw lawsuit after lawsuit at the law trying to declare it unconstitutional, let states not expand Medicaid and set up proper state exchanges, took away spending that would have been used for the healthcare.gov website, and spread so many outright lies about the ACA that it is really tough to figure out what is real and what is made up bullshiat. Yeah, I am blaming Republicans directly for trying to make the law as bad as possible. The responsible thing to do would be to try to fix the law and not make it worse.
 
2013-11-27 08:50:00 PM  
ITT:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-27 08:51:30 PM  
When your only tactics are to rage, and to call anyone who disagrees with you a troll or a paid shill, you might want to re-evaluate your choices in life.
 
2013-11-27 08:56:13 PM  

BullBearMS: Mrtraveler01: He does raise a point though. How come you never hold Republicans to the same high standard that you hold Obama?

When did the Republicans say they were going to end the wars, restore civil liberties, restore the rule of law, prosecute the banks, keep lobbyists from running the government, etc, etc, etc???

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 640x469]


Let me ask you this, is there anything that the Democrats have done right? Is there anything the Republicans have done wrong?
 
2013-11-27 08:59:36 PM  
We should definitely 'deal better with' stuff. Bold. Profound. Brave.
 
2013-11-27 09:01:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Animatronik: This law is a disaster. A friends company just announ that they will no longer offer coverage to spouses because Obamacare.

What part of Obamacare prohibits this?


Probably using the ACA as an excuse, but  there are companies that are cutting back on insurance offerings include offering employee only policy coverage.
 
2013-11-27 09:05:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01:

Won't this law basically just consolidate Blue Cross Blue Shield into one state? The only reason that they have operations in each state is because regulation requires them to be based in the state they want to sell to.
I'm not responsible to teach you basic economics.  In fact, it's probably better that you stay ignorant.   So, just forget I said anything.
 
2013-11-27 09:08:20 PM  

Mrtraveler01: BullBearMS: Mrtraveler01: He does raise a point though. How come you never hold Republicans to the same high standard that you hold Obama?

When did the Republicans say they were going to end the wars, restore civil liberties, restore the rule of law, prosecute the banks, keep lobbyists from running the government, etc, etc, etc???

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 640x469]

Let me ask you this, is there anything that the Democrats have done right? Is there anything the Republicans have done wrong?


dl.dropboxusercontent.com

This Obama shill mentality where you can't criticize him when he farks up is a never ending source of stupidity.

Attacking Obama for refusing to prosecute the banks, for example, is entirely a good thing.

Shame them into taking action.
 
2013-11-27 09:08:58 PM  

GeneralJim: Mrtraveler01: Won't this law basically just consolidate Blue Cross Blue Shield into one state? The only reason that they have operations in each state is because regulation requires them to be based in the state they want to sell to.I'm not responsible to teach you basic economics.  In fact, it's probably better that you stay ignorant.   So, just forget I said anything.


So you think that BCBS of Michigan is going to compete with it's sister company BCBS of Massachusetts?

Do you really think that these won't all eventually consolidate in one state resulting in even LESS competition?

People who drone on with that talking point don't understand the complexity behind it.
 
2013-11-27 09:10:13 PM  

BullBearMS: This Obama shill mentality where you can't criticize him when he farks up is a never ending source of stupidity.


I criticize him (he's far from perfect on many issues). But that doesn't mean I'm going to run into the cold embrace of the Republican Party,
 
2013-11-27 09:15:54 PM  

Mrtraveler01: BullBearMS: This Obama shill mentality where you can't criticize him when he farks up is a never ending source of stupidity.

I criticize him (he's far from perfect on many issues). But that doesn't mean I'm going to run into the cold embrace of the Republican Party,


Why do you spend so much time attacking anyone who criticizes him?

Especially when the criticism is perfectly valid?
 
2013-11-27 09:18:20 PM  

GeneralJim: However, in THIS cluster-fark, having done NOTHING would have been vastly superior.


Oh, bullshiat.

My girlfriend is ALIVE thanks to being able to stay on her parents' plan and the elimination of lifetime caps.

I'm actually now able to get insurance at a cost that doesn't exceed my gross income.

Thanks, Obamacare!
 
2013-11-27 09:18:40 PM  

Ned Stark: wildcardjack: What bothers me is that 20% of premiums that insurance companies get to keep. Ideally there's a competition for low prices to attract consumers, but there's also a desire to profit by keeping a larger 20%. So there's a risk that the whole system will find new ways to piss away money on vastly overpriced services so everyone has to raise their premiums. Like changing standards of what "high blood pressure" or "cholesterol reduction" means, and curing things with pills instead of lifestyle.

Especially since they still get to set up tiny monopolies and IRS illegal to not buy their product.

Its a blindingly obvious outcome if you just ask yourself "what would a money obsessed sociopath do?" But I guess America just can't bring itself to question the Free Market™.


if only they had thought to regulate how much profit an insurance company can rake in off of premiums. Oh... wait. or we could just go single payer and take the profit problem out of the equation entirely. yeah, I know, that's the kind of socialism that makes republican, dinosaur riding baby Jesus cry.
 
2013-11-27 09:21:23 PM  

Zeppelininthesky:

Those same Republicans who tried to repeal the law 30+ times, threw lawsuit after lawsuit at the law trying to declare it unconstitutional, let states not expand Medicaid and set up proper state exchanges, took away spending that would have been used for the healthcare.gov website, and spread so many outright lies about the ACA that it is really tough to figure out what is real and what is made up bullshiat. Yeah, I am blaming Republicans directly for trying to make the law as bad as possible. The responsible thing to do would be to try to fix the law and not make it worse.
See?   Trying to blame the Republicans for Obamacare is a better plan -- not a GOOD plan, but you have to work with what you have.  Are you saying that all of the desperate Republican efforts to spare the American people from the horrors of Obamacare won't be remembered?  You could well be right.
 
2013-11-27 09:25:56 PM  

BullBearMS: When did the Republicans say they were going to end the wars, restore civil liberties, restore the rule of law, prosecute the banks, keep lobbyists from running the government, etc, etc, etc???


Well maybe Obama was naive in thinking that the republicans wouldn't make it their life mission to obstruct every single thing he tried to accomplish. And Obamacare wasn't the plan that he wanted but it was the plan the republicans let him pass. And now the republicans are trying to obstruct that too.

And Obama is ending the wars. And we're also not invading Syria and Iran, which is nice.
 
2013-11-27 09:28:28 PM  

Mugato: BullBearMS: When did the Republicans say they were going to end the wars, restore civil liberties, restore the rule of law, prosecute the banks, keep lobbyists from running the government, etc, etc, etc???

Well maybe Obama was naive in thinking that the republicans wouldn't make it their life mission to obstruct every single thing he tried to accomplish. And Obamacare wasn't the plan that he wanted but it was the plan the republicans let him pass. And now the republicans are trying to obstruct that too.

And Obama is ending the wars. And we're also not invading Syria and Iran, which is nice.


But even considering all of that, he is still continuing Patriot Act-era policies, did not shut down Gitmo (mainly due to Republican obstruction), and other similar things I don't like.

That said, would I have voted for Romney over him? Hell no. We'd be even worse off if he was President.
 
2013-11-27 09:32:22 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2013-11-27 09:35:02 PM  

Mrtraveler01: But even considering all of that, he is still continuing Patriot Act-era policies, did not shut down Gitmo (mainly due to Republican obstruction), and other similar things I don't like.

That said, would I have voted for Romney over him? Hell no. We'd be even worse off if he was President.


I never expected him to end the Patriot Act. Once a government gets a power, they don't usually give it up. Congress denied funding to close Gitmo and we don't have anywhere to put the prisoners anyway. No he's not a perfect President but you're right, compared to Romney or McCain, he was easily the best choice.

McCain would be dead now anyway and Palin would be President and we'd all be speaking Klingon by now.
 
2013-11-27 09:37:41 PM  
ZERO Republicans who voted for it

that alone is reason to believe it can't be all bad.
 
2013-11-27 09:39:50 PM  

Mugato: Mrtraveler01: But even considering all of that, he is still continuing Patriot Act-era policies, did not shut down Gitmo (mainly due to Republican obstruction), and other similar things I don't like.

That said, would I have voted for Romney over him? Hell no. We'd be even worse off if he was President.

I never expected him to end the Patriot Act. Once a government gets a power, they don't usually give it up. Congress denied funding to close Gitmo and we don't have anywhere to put the prisoners anyway. No he's not a perfect President but you're right, compared to Romney or McCain, he was easily the best choice.

McCain would be dead now anyway and Palin would be President and we'd all be speaking Klingon by now.


Exactly, the only time the GOP and Democrats agreed on anything was the stuff involving the NSA. Even though that's the one thing I was really upset at Obama about, it's also the one thing both sides have agreed on.

At this point, I just give up.
 
Displayed 50 of 232 comments


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Newest | Show all


View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter








In Other Media
  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report