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2013-11-27 04:13:34 PM  
I don't think there is near the disdain for the ACA that the conservatives would have you believe there is.
And, once people actually start using it, it will become more palatable and political suicide for the right to continue to attempt to repeal it.
 
2013-11-27 04:13:46 PM  
1% RON PAUL
 
2013-11-27 04:14:52 PM  
Like other Teabaggers, I HATE Obamacare, but I LOVE the ACA.
 
2013-11-27 04:15:20 PM  
Americans are idiots who don't know what they're talking about.
 
2013-11-27 04:16:02 PM  

Farkin_Crazy:

I don't think there is near the disdain for the ACA that the conservatives would have you believe there is.
And, once people actually start using it, it will become more palatable and political suicide for the right to continue to attempt to repeal it.
Nice Fark handle.
 
2013-11-27 04:16:07 PM  
I think a lot of people are ignorant as to what, exactly, it entails. We've got a media which does not inform, and a populous that conflates freedom and ignorance. I am not surprised in the least.
 
2013-11-27 04:18:52 PM  
The only thing we should be paying attention to--and condemning--is the social conservative right-wing derp surrounding this.

Anyone who complains about the Web site, how "everything is going to get more expensive" or that ACA isn't actual reform need to get farked. Your arguments are stupid, and you are being an annoying ass perpetrating them.
 
2013-11-27 04:19:40 PM  
4 posts, all of which say "people are morons who don't know anything".

They are, and they don't, but it's still "elitist"
 
2013-11-27 04:19:47 PM  
Like most other ignorant, white trash voters, I HATE Obama, but I secretly love his policy even though it is financial disaster for me.

Because one day soon Imma gonna' WIN that Powa' Ball and need me some doctorin' while I'm waiting!
 
2013-11-27 04:19:49 PM  
there is a quote in the west wing about the NEA where Toby cites there is a certain % who want to defund it and a certain % who support it, where between the two there is an overlap of 8% who support it but want it defunded at the same time..Toby concludes there is a % of the population that cannot make up its mind....I cannot find the quote though, my google-fu fails (unless it is about something else and not the NEA)
 
2013-11-27 04:21:06 PM  
Considering the bad press (some of which is justified), I'm not surprised.

But it's a program that is still in its infancy so judging it a month out seems a little pre-mature. If we're still having this problems a year from now, then we can start to wonder what reforms need to take place.
 
2013-11-27 04:21:25 PM  

LasersHurt: I think a lot of people are ignorant as to what, exactly, it entails. We've got a media which does not inform, and a populous that conflates freedom and ignorance. I am not surprised in the least.


DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS AREN'T TAKING THE EXCHANGES AND FURTHERMORE COMMA
 
2013-11-27 04:21:47 PM  
meh another obamacare thread, i'm going to use this post to tell you all I just ate 5 chocolate chip gluten free cannabis cookies, u jelly?
 
2013-11-27 04:21:52 PM  
And a solid 30-40% of those who absolutely hate it, believe it's insurance created by the government and given to poor people for free. Period.

I have a cousin who refuses to shop for her Blue Cross insurance on the federal exchange, in spite of the fact that it's like 20-30% cheaper (before subsidies) than the comparable Blue Cross insurance that BC/BS is trying to push on her directly.

There are none so farked in the ass without lube than those who will not see.
 
2013-11-27 04:22:46 PM  

ikanreed: 4 posts, all of which say "people are morons who don't know anything".

They are, and they don't, but it's still "elitist"


"Truth" and "reality" and "statistics" and "mathematics" are creations of the Ivy League East Coast snobby commie libs.
 
2013-11-27 04:24:52 PM  

technicolor-misfit: And a solid 30-40% of those who absolutely hate it, believe it's insurance created by the government and given to poor people for free. Period.

I have a cousin who refuses to shop for her Blue Cross insurance on the federal exchange, in spite of the fact that it's like 20-30% cheaper (before subsidies) than the comparable Blue Cross insurance that BC/BS is trying to push on her directly.

There are none so farked in the ass without lube than those who will not see.


And yet, I will bet she supports Walmart for their $0.99 tube socks because cheap. Paying more for tube socks is COMMUNISM

PS - You need some ass lube?
 
2013-11-27 04:25:33 PM  

Headso: meh another obamacare thread, i'm going to use this post to tell you all I just ate 5 chocolate chip gluten free cannabis cookies, u jelly?


Very.

/this will be a more productive discussion than what normally goes on in these threads.
 
2013-11-27 04:31:18 PM  

Jackson Herring: LasersHurt: I think a lot of people are ignorant as to what, exactly, it entails. We've got a media which does not inform, and a populous that conflates freedom and ignorance. I am not surprised in the least.

DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS AREN'T TAKING THE EXCHANGES AND FURTHERMORE COMMA


That was one of the most amusing things I've ever seen. It was like a beautiful landscape of ignorance demanding that you see it.
 
2013-11-27 04:32:01 PM  
This thread is hilarious.  You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks that don't know whats good for them.  Of course you know whats good for them, of course you do.
 
2013-11-27 04:33:31 PM  

Brostorm: This thread is hilarious.  You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks that don't know whats good for them.  Of course you know whats good for them, of course you do.


That's a good point.  The other kinds of people who are opposed to the law work for Republican think tanks and lobbying firms.
 
2013-11-27 04:34:31 PM  

technicolor-misfit: And a solid 30-40% of those who absolutely hate it, believe it's insurance created by the government and given to poor people for free. Period.

I have a cousin who refuses to shop for her Blue Cross insurance on the federal exchange, in spite of the fact that it's like 20-30% cheaper (before subsidies) than the comparable Blue Cross insurance that BC/BS is trying to push on her directly.

There are none so farked in the ass without lube than those who will not see.


Same here.  I got a friend that does not have insurance now but does not want Obamacare because she will have to pay the $4,000 deductable.  She has cancer and treatments can be $98K apiece but she listens to the Limbaugh and Levin the radio and thinks she is better off with out insurance.
 
2013-11-27 04:34:45 PM  
What bothers me is that 20% of premiums that insurance companies get to keep. Ideally there's a competition for low prices to attract consumers, but there's also a desire to profit by keeping a larger 20%. So there's a risk that the whole system will find new ways to piss away money on vastly overpriced services so everyone has to raise their premiums. Like changing standards of what "high blood pressure" or "cholesterol reduction" means, and curing things with pills instead of lifestyle.
 
2013-11-27 04:35:04 PM  
Jesus, it's a polling version of a Choose Your Own Adventure story...
 
2013-11-27 04:36:44 PM  

Brostorm: This thread is hilarious.  You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks that don't know whats good for them.  Of course you know whats good for them, of course you do.


No, we understand that people who oppose the law but support all its parts are completely ignorant of what's in it, they just hate it because OBAMA SCARY AND FREEDOMS AND FURTHERMORE AND SUCH AS RUSSIA WHICH I CAN SEE FROM MY HOUSE.
 
2013-11-27 04:36:46 PM  
 58% of Americans oppose Obamacare.

^ this is spin, subby

54% either approve or think it needs to go further

^ this is repeating a fact, subby

Hope this helps.
 
2013-11-27 04:37:15 PM  
"She has cancer and treatments can be $98K apiece but she listens to the Limbaugh and Levin the radio and thinks she is better off with out insurance."

Proofread....proofread

Should be "She has cancer and treatments can be $98K apiece but she listens to Limbaugh and Levin on the radio and thinks she is better off with out insurance."
 
2013-11-27 04:37:28 PM  

Mikey1969: Jesus, it's a polling version of a Choose Your Own Adventure story...


Choose Your Own Adventure doesn't let you make self-contradicting choices.
 
2013-11-27 04:38:16 PM  

Brostorm: This thread is hilarious.  You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks that don't know whats good for them.  Of course you know whats good for them, of course you do.


Given the level of derp, that's exactly what they are. And shutting up would be "what's good for them."
 
2013-11-27 04:38:28 PM  

Brostorm: You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks that don't know whats good for them


Oh, no, not at all. Some of the people opposed to the ACA are Republican politicians who cynically lie about it because they haven't got anything else to run on.
 
2013-11-27 04:45:13 PM  

Wooly Bully: Brostorm: You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks that don't know whats good for them

Oh, no, not at all. Some of the people opposed to the ACA are Republican politicians who cynically lie about it because they haven't got anything else to run on.


The Figurine of Wondrous Power is right.
 
2013-11-27 04:46:39 PM  

Wooly Bully: Brostorm: You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks that don't know whats good for them

Oh, no, not at all. Some of the people opposed to the ACA are Republican politicians who cynically lie about it because they haven't got anything else to run on.


And yet more are stubborn assholes who just don't want Obama to be right about anything.

And yet more have bound themselves to a particular philosophy of government, and even if something works, if it doesn't fit their narrow view of the way it should work, it's evil.

And then there's the garden variety "got mine, fark you" sorts.
 
2013-11-27 04:48:21 PM  
So who do you think this threads shillout will be?

Ayn Rand's Slowmammal77

BJKnight

thin-noggin

General Whargarble

nopattern-jockstraparoma
 
2013-11-27 04:48:44 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: I don't think there is near the disdain for the ACA that the conservatives would have you believe there is.
And, once people actually start using it, it will become more palatable and political suicide for the right to continue to attempt to repeal it.


Hahahahaha..uhhahahahaha.
Keep trying

This law is a disaster. A friends company just announ that they will no longer offer coverage to spouses because Obamacare. His wife is panicking. Thanks to the mismanagement by the govt, the middle class is getting screwed.

I am fortunate to have good insurance.The problem with Obamacare is that its a clusterfark.
Its really that simple.
 
2013-11-27 04:49:26 PM  

wildcardjack: What bothers me is that 20% of premiums that insurance companies get to keep. Ideally there's a competition for low prices to attract consumers, but there's also a desire to profit by keeping a larger 20%. So there's a risk that the whole system will find new ways to piss away money on vastly overpriced services so everyone has to raise their premiums. Like changing standards of what "high blood pressure" or "cholesterol reduction" means, and curing things with pills instead of lifestyle.


Especially since they still get to set up tiny monopolies and IRS illegal to not buy their product.

Its a blindingly obvious outcome if you just ask yourself "what would a money obsessed sociopath do?" But I guess America just can't bring itself to question the Free Market™.
 
2013-11-27 04:50:04 PM  

Headso: meh another obamacare thread, i'm going to use this post to tell you all I just ate 5 chocolate chip gluten free cannabis cookies, u jelly?


Only until I get home in about 2 hours and break in my new pipe a little more...

http://journey2.com
 
2013-11-27 04:51:37 PM  

technicolor-misfit: There are none so farked in the ass without lube than those who will not see.


♫ ♪ ♫ Don't it make your brown eye blue? ♫ ♪ ♫
 
2013-11-27 04:52:15 PM  
I'm with the 53 percent who say it's too soon to say if it's a success or a failure.

Both sides are wrong.

Majority rules!
 
2013-11-27 04:55:06 PM  

Animatronik: This law is a disaster. A friends company just announ that they will no longer offer coverage to spouses because Obamacare.


What part of Obamacare prohibits this?
 
2013-11-27 04:55:14 PM  

Animatronik: Farkin_Crazy: I don't think there is near the disdain for the ACA that the conservatives would have you believe there is.
And, once people actually start using it, it will become more palatable and political suicide for the right to continue to attempt to repeal it.

Hahahahaha..uhhahahahaha.
Keep trying

This law is a disaster. A friends company just announ that they will no longer offer coverage to spouses because Obamacare. His wife is panicking. Thanks to the mismanagement by the govt, the middle class is getting screwed.

I am fortunate to have good insurance.The problem with Obamacare is that its a clusterfark.
Its really that simple.


Ahhh yes, the one where there was no problem at all before Obamacare came along and farked everything up.

Because if we can pretend there was no problem with healthcare and the insurance industry, then we can ignore the fact that Republicans are more than welcome to offer up their own perfectly flawless, no trade-offs, all upsides plan for solving them.

No, it's much better to do nothing at all and stand back with your arms crossed shouting at those who actually ARE trying to solve problems, and shout "it doesn't fix everything perfectly right from the get-go at absolutely no cost and with no trade-offs or unintended consequences!!! It's an abyssmal failure!!!"
 
2013-11-27 04:55:22 PM  
Fark!myspacebarjustdied
 
2013-11-27 04:55:34 PM  

BMFPitt: Americans are idiots who don't know what they're talking about.


We have a winnar!
 
2013-11-27 04:55:37 PM  

technicolor-misfit: I have a cousin who refuses to shop for her Blue Cross insurance on the federal exchange, in spite of the fact that it's like 20-30% cheaper (before subsidies) than the comparable Blue Cross insurance that BC/BS is trying to push on her directly.


Brostorm: This thread is hilarious.  You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks morans that don't know whats good for them.  Of course you know whats good for them, of course you do.


I'd say technicolor-misfit's cousin is in fact a moran who doesn't know what's good for her.

/Redneck?  Maybe, I dunno.
//Morans are forever.  Ignorance can be fixed.
 
2013-11-27 04:59:12 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Animatronik: This law is a disaster. A friends company just announ that they will no longer offer coverage to spouses because Obamacare.

What part of Obamacare prohibits this?


I think it's the Sekrit Muslin Clause written in lemon juice. You hold a match up to it to reveal how much you're being pwned.
 
2013-11-27 04:59:25 PM  

gimmegimme: Like other Teabaggers, I HATE Obamacare, but I LOVE the ACA.


Just like that dumbass Youtuber who hates religion, but loves Jesus?
 
2013-11-27 04:59:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01: What part of Obamacare prohibits this?


My guess is that, where in the past health ins. co.'s would just raise rates (and sometimes companies would then cancel benefits) now they just blame everything on Obamacare, whether the ACA actually had anything to do with it or not.
 
2013-11-27 05:00:23 PM  
As to the numbers: I keep saying a good chunk of those who oppose Obamacare do so because it doesn't go far enough. So I suspect a bit of overlap between these two groups.
 
2013-11-27 05:00:29 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: technicolor-misfit: I have a cousin who refuses to shop for her Blue Cross insurance on the federal exchange, in spite of the fact that it's like 20-30% cheaper (before subsidies) than the comparable Blue Cross insurance that BC/BS is trying to push on her directly.

Brostorm: This thread is hilarious.  You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks morans that don't know whats good for them.  Of course you know whats good for them, of course you do.

I'd say technicolor-misfit's cousin is in fact a moran who doesn't know what's good for her.

/Redneck?  Maybe, I dunno.
//Morans are forever.  Ignorance can be fixed.



Not quite "redneck," but definitely "country." And not a "moran" at all but definitely and self-admittedly ignorant on this issue.

In fact, I finally just print-screened her plan options from healthcare.gov and emailed them to her... and while she initially balked and tried to wave it off, I think she's starting to come around. She messaged me a few days later to ask me some more questions and to inquire about how the subsidies work.
 
2013-11-27 05:01:44 PM  

Animatronik: Farkin_Crazy: I don't think there is near the disdain for the ACA that the conservatives would have you believe there is.
And, once people actually start using it, it will become more palatable and political suicide for the right to continue to attempt to repeal it.

Hahahahaha..uhhahahahaha.
Keep trying

This law is a disaster. A friends company just announ that they will no longer offer coverage to spouses because Obamacare. His wife is panicking. Thanks to the mismanagement by the govt, the middle class is getting screwed.

I am fortunate to have good insurance.The problem with Obamacare is that its a clusterfark.
Its really that simple.


This has been something companies have started doing a few years ago, just now they get to blame it on the ACA because they know gullible folks who WANT to believe that anyway will fall for it.

My own company has been mulling it over for a few years now, and might do it next year. However your friend might want to check the details... Typically when companies do this they will no longer cover spouses who are eligible for health care through their own jobs, not just decline coverage for all spouses at all. It's purely a cost saving measure, the ACA is just a convenient scapegoat.
 
2013-11-27 05:01:46 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Animatronik: This law is a disaster. A friends company just announ that they will no longer offer coverage to spouses because Obamacare.

What part of Obamacare prohibits this?


All of it! Study it out, Liblardo.
 
2013-11-27 05:02:44 PM  

Brostorm: This thread is hilarious.  You guys really wan't to believe anyone opposed to this law are ignorant rednecks that don't know whats good for them.  Of course you know whats good for them, of course you do.


Fair point.  I'd love to be enlightened by your alternative plan.  Please, continue.
 
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