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(Chron)   Authorities in Beijing have destroyed more than 500 open-air barbecues "to cut PM2.5" - the tiny particulate matter in the air that can enter deep into the lungs. Yeah that ought to help   (chron.com) divider line 41
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2013-11-27 04:06:15 PM
Doing something is better than doing nothing
 
2013-11-27 05:05:28 PM

SmackLT: Doing something is better than doing nothing


While true, this is like tossing a tampon in the ocean.
 
2013-11-27 05:08:41 PM

EvilEgg: SmackLT: Doing something is better than doing nothing

While true, this is like tossing a tampon in the ocean.


Ya got to start somewhere. And individuals are much easier to crack down on than manufactures.
 
2013-11-27 05:09:07 PM
They probably got more public health benefits by removing the street food vendors who use them out of business. They're not the most scrupulous people out there.

/see: gutter oil
 
2013-11-27 05:12:05 PM

EvilEgg: SmackLT: Doing something is better than doing nothing

While true, this is like tossing a tampon in the ocean.


While simultaneously turning public opinion against you.

/I'd be pissed if the cops took my grill.
 
2013-11-27 05:14:11 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: While simultaneously turning public opinion against you.


That doesn't really matter in that country.
 
2013-11-27 05:17:12 PM
Acetylene has no effect on the environment.
 
2013-11-27 05:17:46 PM

SmackLT: Doing something is better than doing nothing


This is worse than doing nothing. Beijing's street-side barbecues were one of the last vestiges of the city's charm. If the city were serious about pollution they would ban the coal-fire boilers that heat almost every building in the city.
 
2013-11-27 05:19:12 PM
To be fair, it kills 3 birds with one stone.  Pollution, poisoning by the oil used, poisoning by the actual ingredients used in the food.
 
2013-11-27 05:21:02 PM
ww3.hdnux.com

i.imgur.com

"Le grille? What the hell is that?!?"
 
2013-11-27 05:25:37 PM
meanwhile, at the factory that was ACTUALLY causing that pollution, you'll find a briefcase and a man with a smile...
 
2013-11-27 05:30:36 PM
Hey, CA did it.  So it must clearly be a good idea.
 
2013-11-27 05:38:38 PM
If they really wanted to go after pollution there would be 10 million people freezing because they aren't allowed to burn coal for heat.  This is probably a way to kick out the street vendors under the guise of cleaning up the air.  Would be no different from NYC shutting down food trucks by not allowing you to cook near a gasoline engine.
 
2013-11-27 06:03:04 PM

super_grass: They probably got more public health benefits by removing the street food vendors who use them out of business. They're not the most scrupulous people out there.

/see: gutter oil


Ew. I wish I hadn't done that, especially since I'm sitting in a Chinese restaurant.
 
2013-11-27 06:07:37 PM

meyerkev: Hey, CA did it.  So it must clearly be a good idea.


CA did? Odd. Mine is still in the GF's garage. Several friends have them on their decks. Surely we must be stopped!!!!
 
2013-11-27 06:11:21 PM
I forget where I first heard the analogy, but it's like filling your computer with porn and then trying to free up hard drive space by deleting a bunch of text files.
 
2013-11-27 06:27:46 PM
Hahahahha stupid farking nippers
 
2013-11-27 06:29:11 PM

psychosis_inducing: I forget where I first heard the analogy, but it's like filling your computer with porn and then trying to free up hard drive space by deleting a bunch of text files.


Your analogy break down if said porn is ASCII Porn.
 
2013-11-27 06:32:04 PM

Rustblade: Hahahahha stupid farking nippers


You have your racial epithets mixed up.

So, yeah, oil from garbage is disgusting, but TFA: "Last year, there was a report on oil being made from slaughter house scraps."

What's wrong with that?
 
2013-11-27 06:34:19 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-27 06:38:22 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: EvilEgg: SmackLT: Doing something is better than doing nothing

While true, this is like tossing a tampon in the ocean.

While simultaneously turning public opinion against you.

/I'd be pissed if the cops took my grill.


I try and work with a group to clean up air pollution in my neighborhood as "concerned resident".  They have a staff member that would LOVE to ban backyard BBQs, but realizes that she cannot, so instead tries to get people to use propane instead of charcoal.

Doesn't help there is a Kingsford plant pumping god knows how many tons of PM2.5 and PM10 out in the city next door (I've only seen them running the big burner at night, when you cannot see the plume of smoke it generates).

Two years ago a biomass cogen fired up and since them I'm back on inhalers for my asthma after having it completely under control for the 15 years prior.

Today over the city was not how Eugene typically looks.  Brown air is no fun.
 
2013-11-27 06:55:57 PM

super_grass: They probably got more public health benefits by removing the street food vendors who use them out of business. They're not the most scrupulous people out there.

/see: gutter oil


I really wish I had not.
 
2013-11-27 07:12:31 PM

meat0918: Ego edo infantia cattus: EvilEgg: SmackLT: Doing something is better than doing nothing

While true, this is like tossing a tampon in the ocean.

While simultaneously turning public opinion against you.

/I'd be pissed if the cops took my grill.

I try and work with a group to clean up air pollution in my neighborhood as "concerned resident".  They have a staff member that would LOVE to ban backyard BBQs, but realizes that she cannot, so instead tries to get people to use propane instead of charcoal.

Doesn't help there is a Kingsford plant pumping god knows how many tons of PM2.5 and PM10 out in the city next door (I've only seen them running the big burner at night, when you cannot see the plume of smoke it generates).

Two years ago a biomass cogen fired up and since them I'm back on inhalers for my asthma after having it completely under control for the 15 years prior.

Today over the city was not how Eugene typically looks.  Brown air is no fun.


I was just going to point out that PM2.5 comes from charcoal grills, not propane grills.  And do you know who is smiling now, Hank Hill, that's who.
 
2013-11-27 07:26:45 PM
i.imgur.com

But sure, blame the BBQs.
 
2013-11-27 07:36:20 PM
China is headed towards a serious disaster.  The US is too, but I think China will win the race.

China is pissing off their citizens and is pissing off all their neighbors (except NK) with their air defense zone and we just flew B-52s into it without kowtowing to their demands to announce ourselves.

Both Japan and China claim the Senkaku islands (I can't even be bothered to remember what China calls them) and neither one is going to back down.

China's rich are getting richer, but they're also realizing that with that comes competition with other nations for cheap labor and terrorism.  I don't wish terrorism on any nation, but the next explosion in Tianemman Square might not be pulled off by incompetent idiots like the one a few weeks ago.

Shiat's gonna get real in the next few years.

And the only way China can defeat the US is by mass immigration of its lower class who want to be able to walk in the streets without having to wear masks to filter the air.  That's considered normal in many of their cities.
 
2013-11-27 08:08:07 PM

gfid: China is headed towards a serious disaster.  The US is too, but I think China will win the race.

China is pissing off their citizens and is pissing off all their neighbors (except NK) with their air defense zone and we just flew B-52s into it without kowtowing to their demands to announce ourselves.

Both Japan and China claim the Senkaku islands (I can't even be bothered to remember what China calls them) and neither one is going to back down.

China's rich are getting richer, but they're also realizing that with that comes competition with other nations for cheap labor and terrorism.  I don't wish terrorism on any nation, but the next explosion in Tianemman Square might not be pulled off by incompetent idiots like the one a few weeks ago.

Shiat's gonna get real in the next few years.

And the only way China can defeat the US is by mass immigration of its lower class who want to be able to walk in the streets without having to wear masks to filter the air.  That's considered normal in many of their cities.



There are a lot of positive changes happening in China. It's coming from the younger, and more educated, generation. What I see in the Western media and what is actually happening on the streets, and what people are talking about, are two very different things.
 
2013-11-27 08:20:19 PM

gfid: Both Japan and China claim the Senkaku islands (I can't even be bothered to remember what China calls them)


i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-27 08:22:37 PM

iron de havilland: gfid: Both Japan and China claim the Senkaku islands (I can't even be bothered to remember what China calls them)

[i.imgur.com image 258x195]


On reflection, perhaps this image is more appropriate:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-27 08:43:56 PM
 
2013-11-27 08:48:40 PM

blipponaut: There are a lot of positive changes happening in China. It's coming from the younger, and more educated, generation. What I see in the Western media and what is actually happening on the streets, and what people are talking about, are two very different things.


I'd be interested in alternative news sources.  Difficulty:  They would have to be in English.

China's claim to the Senkau Islands only seems to be slightly more based in history than Argentina's claim to the Falklands.

I saw a piece on the news (can't remember which one) a few weeks ago where they just bulldozed a bunch of people's homes in the name of progress.  Pollution seems out of control in some of their cities while some of their western provinces are starting to get pissed off.

I've heard some people say China is still a 3rd World country and in some respects I can see that, but they're also a major economic player and could also be considered a super power if they don't implode.

And when the typhoon hit the Philippines they offered something like $100,000 in aid until the rest of the world said, "WTF, China?" and then they upped it to a measly $1.6 million.  I know the Chinese have their disputes with the Philippines, but come on.    New Zealand gave more than that.  Even the has-been '70s rock band Journey gave more than China initially offered.
 
2013-11-27 08:50:53 PM
It's probably easier to chase away the small guys with their BBQs than blocking the very old trucks from entering the city. Traffic is as bad as that one photo above shows and nobody is doing something about that. People are encouraged to buy cars (to stimulate domestic consumption) and also people buy big cars to be cooler than the other guy.

But I wonder who will take care of the rat / cat / fox population now if there's no BBQ stand left to sell their meat (and label it as 'lamb')?

/AQI at my place is at 99 PM2.5 today. That's considered clean by now....
 
2013-11-27 09:13:37 PM

Walker: They open a new coal plant every week

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/business/worldbusiness/11chinacoal .h tml?pagewanted=all


It'll take a lot of barbecues to even out.

img.fark.net

Ecoterrorism.

 
2013-11-27 09:16:17 PM

MrEricSir: But sure, blame the BBQs.


Rich people drive. Poor people use outdoor BBQ.
 
2013-11-27 09:17:34 PM

uncleacid: Acetylene has no effect on the environment.


So... it just appears in tanks? Like magic?
 
2013-11-27 09:56:47 PM
I'm looking out at a beautiful blue sky in Beijing, so I'm getting a real kick out of some of these replies.

/sweet, bitterly cold northern wind, blow away all the crap
//hoping this is traditional blue sky winter, not like last year's stupid Blade Runner winter
 
2013-11-27 10:37:17 PM
Feh.  I am sure many state and local governments here in the "free" USA are contemplating something similar for BBQs.  Good luck.  That is just going too far.  They can have my BBQ when they can pry it from my cold, dead hands.
 
2013-11-27 10:52:18 PM

fanbladesaresharp: meyerkev: Hey, CA did it.  So it must clearly be a good idea.

CA did? Odd. Mine is still in the GF's garage. Several friends have them on their decks. Surely we must be stopped!!!!


As a CA resident I call bullshiat.  Myself and about 50% of my neighbors have barbeques and I have never heard of anyone even receiving a talking to or letter about it.  Not to mention that every Lowes, Orchard Supply and Home Despot has barbeques for sale here. You would think that wouldn't be the case if they were illegal.

Most counties in CA did implement "no burn days" on which you in theory can't burn any solid fuel.  The Nazi county I live in (San Joaquin) was recently contemplating limiting burning days to something like 18 per year.  Fortunately none of these laws really mean shiat.  I regularly burn on "no burn days" and not once have I ever heard a peep.  Since enforcement of the law only occurs if someone complains, and since pretty much nobody actually follows what days are "no burn" almost everyone is free to burn whenever they want.  Fortunately my neighbors are all reasonable folks (so far) and are not the enviro Nazi types who would complain about such stuff.
 
2013-11-27 10:55:08 PM

lack of warmth: meat0918: Ego edo infantia cattus: EvilEgg: SmackLT: Doing something is better than doing nothing

While true, this is like tossing a tampon in the ocean.

While simultaneously turning public opinion against you.

/I'd be pissed if the cops took my grill.

I try and work with a group to clean up air pollution in my neighborhood as "concerned resident".  They have a staff member that would LOVE to ban backyard BBQs, but realizes that she cannot, so instead tries to get people to use propane instead of charcoal.

Doesn't help there is a Kingsford plant pumping god knows how many tons of PM2.5 and PM10 out in the city next door (I've only seen them running the big burner at night, when you cannot see the plume of smoke it generates).

Two years ago a biomass cogen fired up and since them I'm back on inhalers for my asthma after having it completely under control for the 15 years prior.

Today over the city was not how Eugene typically looks.  Brown air is no fun.

I was just going to point out that PM2.5 comes from charcoal grills, not propane grills.  And do you know who is smiling now, Hank Hill, that's who.


Yeah, but propane is for hacks.  No decent barbeque enthusiast uses propane.  You might as well go stick the meal in your microwave.  Actually charcoal is barely any better.  I only use that when I am in a some sort of huge rush.  Its normally hardwood.
 
2013-11-28 09:36:27 AM
Fitting that this story would be in a Texas paper... We must defend BBQ everywhere!   But then again;

"Environmental campaigner Ma Jun said residents had complained to environmental agencies in the past about the odor and smoke from open-air barbecues."

How bad must the BBQ they are cooking be if their neighbors are complaining?  I have never heard of a BBQ complaint in my life...
 
2013-11-28 11:16:16 AM
Article fails to mention Uighur Muslims, who operated 500 of the 600 destroyed

http://news.msn.com/world/china-destroys-500-barbecues-to-tame-beiji ng -pollution

/muslims
 
2013-11-28 03:44:59 PM
PM2,5 isn't produced by cooking fires.  Its produced by concussive high energy industrial and commercial events.
 
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